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(Washington Post)   Bryce Harper comes to training camp with 20 extra lbs of muscle after winning ROTY last year, and already has his sights set on the World Series. Watch out NL East   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 136
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2013-02-20 08:49:11 AM
GO NATS!!!
 
2013-02-20 08:49:57 AM
bring on the clown questions about roids, bros
 
2013-02-20 08:50:58 AM
Harper's personal trainer during the offseason...
www.basicspine.com
 
2013-02-20 08:56:16 AM
Not so sure he needs an extra 20 pounds of muscle, but if working out keeps him focused then fine.

NL East should be pretty fun to watch this season.
 
2013-02-20 08:59:28 AM
I guess it's easy to bulk up that quickly when the athletic level of your sport is standing around 90% of the time.
 
2013-02-20 09:05:52 AM
I look forward to his 50 game suspension.
 
2013-02-20 09:08:48 AM
Looks like someone's got a little Trout envy.
 
2013-02-20 09:09:22 AM
Are you sure that wasn't just an extra layer of luchadore makeup?
 
2013-02-20 09:16:48 AM
I bet I could build an awesome team if I got as many #1 overall picks as they did.
 
2013-02-20 09:22:28 AM

moogrum: I bet I could build an awesome team if I got as many #1 overall picks as they did.


Right. Because partial seasons from both Harper and Strasburg are what led them to 98 wins last season.
 
2013-02-20 09:40:09 AM

moogrum: I bet I could build an awesome team if I got as many #1 overall picks as they did.


Like #1 picks Adam LaRoche, Michael Morse, Gio Gonzalez, Ian Desmond...
 
2013-02-20 09:40:25 AM
If he can keep this up his career will be great to watch
 
2013-02-20 09:40:55 AM

moogrum: I bet I could build an awesome team if I got as many #1 overall picks as they did.


I know right?  It isn't like you get the #1 pick for being the worst team in the league, otherwise the teams that suck-out-loud would just turn everything around every 2 years and win their divisions.  Oh, wait, it is the worst team?  Well...I guess the Cubs/Astros/Rockies/Twins will be winning their divisions next year...the only other option is you are an idiot who knows nothing about baseball in general and the Nationals specifically.  Weird.

/Opening up the checkbook and developing the young talent they had to assemble a dominant rotation had more to do with it in my mind, but I'm just a fan.
 
2013-02-20 09:41:55 AM

soopey: Harper's personal trainer during the offseason...
[www.basicspine.com image 300x430]


Eh, as young as he is there's still some filling out for his body to do.
 
2013-02-20 09:43:00 AM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: moogrum: I bet I could build an awesome team if I got as many #1 overall picks as they did.

I know right?  It isn't like you get the #1 pick for being the worst team in the league, otherwise the teams that suck-out-loud would just turn everything around every 2 years and win their divisions.  Oh, wait, it is the worst team?  Well...I guess the Cubs/Astros/Rockies/Twins will be winning their divisions next year...the only other option is you are an idiot who knows nothing about baseball in general and the Nationals specifically.  Weird.

/Opening up the checkbook and developing the young talent they had to assemble a dominant rotation had more to do with it in my mind, but I'm just a fan.


Yup. The Nationals and the Reds are both figuring out the advantages of having a good pitching rotation and developing your talent in your farm system
 
2013-02-20 09:43:06 AM

thecpt: bring on the clown questions about roids, bros


Because adding 20 pounds of muscle (which should not be humanly possible in one off season) does not warrant any rational suspicion.
 
2013-02-20 09:43:22 AM
Ah, nary a week into spring training and the Nats' hype machine is picking up right where it left off a nanosecond before they folded like a cheap suit this past October.
 
2013-02-20 09:46:01 AM

p the boiler: thecpt: bring on the clown questions about roids, bros

Because adding 20 pounds of muscle (which should not be humanly possible in one off season) does not warrant any rational suspicion.


He's quite young still, so as much as I don't care for him, it's a lot more plausible for a healthy 20 year old young man to put on 20 lbs of muscle naturally than it is for a man in his mid-thirties (largely because it's almost impossible to do at that age). Improbable, perhaps, but plausible.
 
2013-02-20 09:47:59 AM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: moogrum: I bet I could build an awesome team if I got as many #1 overall picks as they did.

I know right?  It isn't like you get the #1 pick for being the worst team in the league, otherwise the teams that suck-out-loud would just turn everything around every 2 years and win their divisions.  Oh, wait, it is the worst team?  Well...I guess the Cubs/Astros/Rockies/Twins will be winning their divisions next year...the only other option is you are an idiot who knows nothing about baseball in general and the Nationals specifically.  Weird.

/Opening up the checkbook and developing the young talent they had to assemble a dominant rotation had more to do with it in my mind, but I'm just a fan.


Sure, they developed some young guys and got lucky with a few guys like Gonzales figuring it out at the right time, but having the #1 pick the years that the consensus best hitting prospect and consensus best pitching prospect in a decade get drafted sure doesn't hurt.
 
2013-02-20 09:48:02 AM

p the boiler: thecpt: bring on the clown questions about roids, bros

Because adding 20 pounds of muscle (which should not be humanly possible in one off season) does not warrant any rational suspicion.


it is easily achieved on a 6' 3" frame.  It seriously is easy.  5lbs of muscle every month is not at all difficult, especially with the access to professional trainers and nutritionalists.
 
2013-02-20 09:51:10 AM

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: I guess it's easy to bulk up that quickly when the athletic level of your sport is standing around 90% of the time.


If there is anything Harper is known for, it is standing around all the time.

He loses weight quickly; playing baseball nearly everyday for the next eight months, especially the hell-bent way Harper does, can do that to a body.
 
2013-02-20 09:51:59 AM

thecpt: it is easily achieved on a 6' 3" frame. It seriously is easy. 5lbs of muscle every month is not at all difficult, especially with the access to professional trainers and nutritionalists.


5 lbs of muscle a month is totally impossible without drugs, especially for someone who is in any sort of shape to start with, but Harper is only 20 so he's going to still have more natural testosterone to work with than most guys.
 
2013-02-20 09:54:10 AM

you have pee hands: but having the #1 pick the years that the consensus best hitting prospect and consensus best pitching prospect in a decade get drafted sure doesn't hurt.


It is a pretty unique set of circumstances.  Back to back years too.
 
2013-02-20 09:54:16 AM

moogrum: I bet I could build an awesome team if I got as many #1 overall picks as they did.


2.  They got 2 overall #1's, and they won 98 games last year.  By your theory, the Royals should win the World Series every year.  And yet it doesn't work out that way... odd, that.  I'm sure it'll come to you.
 
2013-02-20 09:56:10 AM

p the boiler: thecpt: bring on the clown questions about roids, bros

Because adding 20 pounds of muscle (which should not be humanly possible in one off season) does not warrant any rational suspicion.


He is 20 years old, 6'3, a freak athlete, and a little undersized last season.

Heck, after joining a Crossfit gym last spring I was able to add on 20 lbs of raw muscle weight and I am almost twice his age and have a 9-5 job.

This will absolutely get you swole:

Since mid-November, when he started lifting again, Harper set his alarm for 4:50 a.m. four times a week, was up by 5 and was at Soder's training facility in Las Vegas by 5:30 to join a group of minor league and major league players. The intense, non-stop workouts last between 90 minutes and two hours, a little longer on leg days.
 
2013-02-20 09:56:31 AM

you have pee hands: 5 lbs of muscle a month is totally impossible without drugs, especially for someone who is in any sort of shape to start with,


uhhhhh no.  Fark is seriously deficient of people who have done any weight training.
 
2013-02-20 10:01:24 AM
A 20 year old bulked up? Must be steroids. No other possible explanation
 
2013-02-20 10:01:27 AM

thecpt: uhhhhh no. Fark is seriously deficient of people who have done any weight training.


If you go from 200 to 210 in two months it's at least half fat and water weight.  If you go from 180 to 240 in a year, and you're not a 16 year old who just grew 7 inches, you're on enough drugs to kill a horse.
 
2013-02-20 10:02:43 AM

SlothB77: p the boiler: thecpt: bring on the clown questions about roids, bros

Because adding 20 pounds of muscle (which should not be humanly possible in one off season) does not warrant any rational suspicion.

He is 20 years old, 6'3, a freak athlete, and a little undersized last season.

Heck, after joining a Crossfit gym last spring I was able to add on 20 lbs of raw muscle weight and I am almost twice his age and have a 9-5 job.

This will absolutely get you swole:

Since mid-November, when he started lifting again, Harper set his alarm for 4:50 a.m. four times a week, was up by 5 and was at Soder's training facility in Las Vegas by 5:30 to join a group of minor league and major league players. The intense, non-stop workouts last between 90 minutes and two hours, a little longer on leg days.


This:  when I was 42 I did this, no roids, no HGH, just dedicated hard and proper weight lifts and eats.
 
2013-02-20 10:07:47 AM

you have pee hands: thecpt: uhhhhh no. Fark is seriously deficient of people who have done any weight training.

If you go from 200 to 210 in two months it's at least half fat and water weight.  If you go from 180 to 240 in a year, and you're not a 16 year old who just grew 7 inches, you're on enough drugs to kill a horse.


unless you have no fat, like you know a professional athlete would.  And I'm not saying 60 lbs.  Where is that coming from?  I've done 20 lbs of muscle in a summer, while doing shiatty job and while being broke.  It was pretty fun, and I actually became faster.
 
2013-02-20 10:09:45 AM
It's cool how we're all going to pretend that all the bulking up is just due to new exercises, simply because we root for the Nationals or because we want to believe that players don't use steroids anymore.

/at least you're turning to the side of every other sport's fans - who cares if they use? It makes them play better.
 
2013-02-20 10:13:44 AM

you have pee hands: thecpt: uhhhhh no. Fark is seriously deficient of people who have done any weight training.

If you go from 200 to 210 in two months it's at least half fat and water weight.  If you go from 180 to 240 in a year, and you're not a 16 year old who just grew 7 inches, you're on enough drugs to kill a horse.


If your workout regimen is bicep curls and ab crunches, yes.

Professional athletes who use professional trainers who will be doing all kinds of squats and deadlifts and cleans and push presses and snatches.  The Crossfit guys put on muscle so fast they get Rhabdo.
 
2013-02-20 10:14:59 AM

IAmRight: It's cool how we're all going to pretend that all the bulking up is just due to new exercises, simply because we root for the Nationals or because we want to believe that players don't use steroids anymore.

/at least you're turning to the side of every other sport's fans - who cares if they use? It makes them play better.


You're forgetting, the dude is 20. Adding muscle on a 20 year old frame is much different than bulking up 10 years into your career when your head also swells to the size of a watermelon.
 
2013-02-20 10:16:04 AM
Squats and milk alone will add 20 lbs in four months.
 
2013-02-20 10:18:21 AM
babysealclubber:You're forgetting, the dude is 20. Adding muscle on a 20 year old frame is much different than bulking up 10 years into your career when your head also swells to the size of a watermelon.

Lots of guys gain 20 pounds between the ages of 19 and 20 without working out at all.
 
2013-02-20 10:20:53 AM

babysealclubber: Yup. The Nationals and the Reds are both figuring out the advantages of having a good pitching rotation and developing your talent in your farm system


Yup.  As BP pointed out this morning, the Nationals also did something really smart up and down the draft: They picked the best available player regardless of their needs.  They recognize that:

1) Players don't stick around like they used to.  The guy "blocking" your first-round pick might not be with the organization by 2014.
2) If you end up with two MLB-ready third baseman (like Zimmermann and Rendon), you just trade one for whatever you need.
3) People get hurt.  Prospects don't pan out.  Spare parts are good.

moogrum: I bet I could build an awesome team if I got as many #1 overall picks as they did.


The Nationals have a great rotation, so this offseason they traded Alex Meyer (23rd pick in 2011; 6'9" power RHP with a 98mph fastball and a plus curve who tore up A-ball) straight up for Denard Span.  How did they get that 23rd pick?  By letting Adam Dunn walk after 2010, and letting the White Sox take him for $56M/4yr.  They got a leadoff hitter and solid CF for doing nothing.

They're a smart team.  In 2010, they just finished their 3rd consecutive last-place season.  In 2011, they were decent.  In 2012, they were the best team in baseball for the regular season.  In 2013, they're a preseason favorite for the WS and there's no reason to think they won't be in 2014, 2015, and beyond.  They're still near the top of most farm system rankings, after promoting young players to MLB, and trading guys to grab Denard Span, Gio Gonzalez, etc.

That's not luck.
 
2013-02-20 10:21:56 AM

IAmRight: simply because we root for the Nationals or because we want to believe that players don't use steroids anymore.


Man the Seahawk's secondary is good.
:))
 
2013-02-20 10:22:18 AM

Rex_Banner: A 20 year old bulked up? Must be steroids. No other possible explanation


Clown question, bro.
 
2013-02-20 10:22:25 AM

thecpt: unless you have no fat, like you know a professional athlete would. And I'm not saying 60 lbs. Where is that coming from? I've done 20 lbs of muscle in a summer, while doing shiatty job and while being broke. It was pretty fun, and I actually became faster.


You said 5 lbs in a month.  I haven't seen anything reliable that says you gain more than about 2 lbs of lean muscle a month after your teens.

If anyone can do it it's a young guy with good genes like Harper, but anyone bulking and putting on 5 lbs a month, most of it isn't muscle.
 
2013-02-20 10:25:39 AM

babysealclubber: You're forgetting, the dude is 20. Adding muscle on a 20 year old frame is much different than bulking up 10 years into your career when your head also swells to the size of a watermelon.


I'm not saying it's not possible.

I'm just laughing at how every baseball thread since the idea of players using steroids comes down to:

a) Player reports lots of increased muscle from working out more
b) People mention steroids
c) Most people say NO WAY NOT THIS GUY HE TOTALLY WOULDN'T CHEAT AND IT'S POSSIBLE THAT HE COULD PUT ON POUNDS AND POUNDS OF MUSCLE IN A FEW MONTHS!
d) Player is found to have been using steroids years later
 
2013-02-20 10:26:08 AM

you have pee hands: You said 5 lbs in a month.  I haven't seen anything reliable that says you gain more than about 2 lbs of lean muscle a month after your teens.


How many months are in a summer?  Most of it isn't muscle?  Really?
 
2013-02-20 10:29:12 AM

SlothB77: Professional athletes who use professional trainers who will be doing all kinds of squats and deadlifts and cleans and push presses and snatches. The Crossfit guys put on muscle so fast they get Rhabdo.


They get rhabdo from doing stupid self destructive shiat like 75 kipping pullups or 50 clean and jerks when tired.  That does not help you put on muscle or get strong, but it might help you get kidney failure.  Anyone getting rhabdo needs a new routine.
 
2013-02-20 10:29:19 AM

you have pee hands: thecpt: uhhhhh no. Fark is seriously deficient of people who have done any weight training.

If you go from 200 to 210 in two months it's at least half fat and water weight.  If you go from 180 to 240 in a year, and you're not a 16 year old who just grew 7 inches, you're on enough drugs to kill a horse.


Harper was listed at 215 last year.  The article claims he's now at 230.

I guess if we just get to be retards who make up how much muscle Bryce Harper added, it can sound suspicious.  I mean, I know I was suspicious when Bryce Harper showed up two days later weighing 540 pounds and having two cyborg eyes.  That sure was weird.
 
2013-02-20 10:30:57 AM

thecpt: Man the Seahawk's secondary is good.
:))


Hey, I don't care if they do drugs. I care if they get caught and suspended. I do care when people pretend that they're the only secondary in the league doing it. (Well, except the Bucs, who had both of their corners pop at the same time, too, which resulted in the Patriots getting Aqib Talib for virtually free, which could have set them up for a Super Bowl if he hadn't gotten injured. I don't like it when "who gets tested and when" determines rosters and potentially titles.) Just let them be legal.
 
2013-02-20 10:32:30 AM

chimp_ninja: Harper was listed at 215 last year. The article claims he's now at 230.

I guess if we just get to be retards who make up how much muscle Bryce Harper added, it can sound suspicious. I mean, I know I was suspicious when Bryce Harper showed up two days later weighing 540 pounds and having two cyborg eyes. That sure was weird.


Read the rest of the thread.
 
2013-02-20 10:32:49 AM
Unless the Nats bullpen pitches over their head again it won't matter what he does......

Also increased muscle can sometimes hurt a swing.
 
2013-02-20 10:32:50 AM

chimp_ninja: If you go from 200 to 210 in two months it's at least half fat and water weight.  If you go from 180 to 240 in a year, and you're not a 16 year old who just grew 7 inches, you're on enough drugs to kill a horse.

Harper was listed at 215 last year.  The article claims he's now at 230.

I guess if we just get to be retards who make up how much muscle Bryce Harper added, it can sound suspicious.


While the numbers are ridiculous, I believe he was extrapolating the numbers out so if it were 20 lbs in 4 months, then it would be 60 lbs in a year hypothetically. (which is silly, since you're always going to see some diminishing returns at some point; otherwise bodybuilders would weigh thousands of pounds)
 
2013-02-20 10:36:32 AM

IAmRight: Hey, I don't care if they do drugs. I care if they get caught and suspended. I do care when people pretend that they're the only secondary in the league doing it. (Well, except the Bucs, who had both of their corners pop at the same time, too, which resulted in the Patriots getting Aqib Talib for virtually free, which could have set them up for a Super Bowl if he hadn't gotten injured. I don't like it when "who gets tested and when" determines rosters and potentially titles.) Just let them be legal.


Yeah.  I was just thinking of how awesome football would be if high school and college football added even more danger to the concussion epidemic.  Sure, we'd have 100+ NCAA Division I teams each with dozens of guys taking massive long-term health risks to compete for a hundred or so NFL job openings each year.  98+% of them would never make a professional dollar and leave college with zero health care for their troubles.  But you would get to watch slightly stronger football players from the safety of your couch, so there's that.

Least.  Accurate.  Username.  On.  Fark.
 
2013-02-20 10:36:34 AM

Wellon Dowd: Lots of guys gain 20 pounds between the ages of 19 and 20 without working out at all.


Yes, but usually that doesn't take place here...
wilfleming.com

But rather here...
cdn2-b.examiner.com
 
2013-02-20 10:40:57 AM

chimp_ninja: Least.  Accurate.  Username.  On.  Fark.


in all fairness, I do not believe that a chimpanzee who knows ninjitsu and how to type, would waste his time on Fark
 
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