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(WTKR)   Virginia's governor to sign bill banning drones from flying over the state, except for emergency situations like an Amber Alert. Move along citizen, they're for the children   (wtkr.com) divider line 81
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2013-02-20 08:59:32 AM
Evil and fascism won't stomp in wearing jackboots and brown shirts, it'll come in wanting to protect the children, and preserve traditional values.
 
2013-02-20 09:19:43 AM
Are they going to ban police helicopters as well?  People do realize not all drones are armed, right?
 
2013-02-20 09:28:50 AM
If I wasn't so busy this morning, I'd photoshop the "LIBS! LIBS! LIBS!" out of that picture of the crazy straightjacket guy and replace it with "DRONES! DRONES! DRONES!"

I'm guessing this is done more as a cost saving measure that will prevent local governments from wasting money on these things than a worry over civil liberties. After all, this is Virginia, and there's a lot of gun nuts here. Take one UAV, add some drunken hillbillies with guns, and you get "LOOK OUT, CLETUS! EETS A WHIRLEY-BIRD AND IT'S HEADED STRAIGHT FUR US!!!" BANG BANG BANG.
 
2013-02-20 09:28:55 AM
Freedom Theater?

We won't spy on our own citizens*

/*unless there's some reason to
 
2013-02-20 09:42:10 AM
Wait, wait.  They sending these to look for children?  Hope they're not allergic..

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2013-02-20 09:46:27 AM
Not enough info in TFA- "Drone" could refer to anything from a $200 RC helicopter with a camera to a Reaper, and who does the ban effect?

I can't imagine the bill says anything like "RC planes with cameras are banned".  Given that the number of drones in the hands of private corporations and private owners vastly outnumbers the few that the police own, it seems an odd bill
 
2013-02-20 09:47:30 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Evil and fascism won't stomp in wearing jackboots and brown shirts, it'll come in wanting to protect the children, and preserve traditional values.


This!^^

The jackboots are for their mothers.

/ your mother wears army boots

// can't be obscure
 
2013-02-20 09:47:49 AM
VA has been one of the few states to really take probable cause to heart over the past decade. Across the border where I live in MD, we have red light cameras, speed cameras, CCTV cameras, and now they're talking about going ahead with stop-sign cameras (if you don't come to a complete stop for 4 seconds, they'll ticket you). In VA they have none of that. There seems to be the belief that probable cause means that someone has to at least be manning the equipment and making the decision that "I think that person is doing something wrong" instead of assuming everyone guilty and monitoring all of them.
 
2013-02-20 09:48:08 AM
askanatheist.tvaskanatheist.tv
 
2013-02-20 09:48:40 AM
If you want to get a draconian law passed, you must justify it in terms of the helpless: children, homosexuals, minorities, women.
 
2013-02-20 09:48:42 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Evil and fascism won't stomp in wearing jackboots and brown shirts, it'll come in wanting to protect the children, and preserve traditional values.


 You mean Christian Values.
Like in Maryland, where they put *choke* celery in their chili.
 
2013-02-20 09:49:14 AM
Finally, we're going to start bombing our children with unmanned drones.
 
2013-02-20 09:50:25 AM
sodomizer

If you want to get a draconian law passed, you must justify it in terms of the helpless: children, homosexuals, minorities, women.

Or Google Maps
 
2013-02-20 09:50:47 AM

tallen702: In VA they have none of that.


(Looks at the intersection with the red light camera a block from his office.) WAT?
 
2013-02-20 09:50:55 AM

vudukungfu: FirstNationalBastard: Evil and fascism won't stomp in wearing jackboots and brown shirts, it'll come in wanting to protect the children, and preserve traditional values.

 You mean Christian Values.
Like in Maryland, where they put *choke* celery in their chili.


Celery in their chili?

Might as well use horse meat and cook the chili without beans. It's THAT wrong.
 
2013-02-20 09:51:11 AM
I certainly hope they paint kid-friendly flowers and happy faces on these drones.
 
2013-02-20 09:52:24 AM

blatz514: Wait, wait.  They sending these to look for children?  Hope they're not allergic..

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Drones can't sting.

There is an exception in the ban for UAV's performing trans-vaginal ultrasounds.
 
2013-02-20 09:55:16 AM
This is so dumb, for real.

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2013-02-20 09:58:51 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: tallen702: In VA they have none of that.

(Looks at the intersection with the red light camera a block from his office.) WAT?


Where? Never had any in NOVA.
 
2013-02-20 09:59:54 AM

tallen702: Across the border where I live in MD, we have red light cameras, speed cameras, CCTV cameras, and now they're talking about going ahead with stop-sign cameras (if you don't come to a complete stop for 4 seconds, they'll ticket you). In VA they have none of that.


Virginia does have a few red light cameras. There are two on the main road just around the corner from here.

Whats funny about this new law is that Virginia is home to CIA HQ and Langley AFB (Air Combat Command HQ). Both of which are in direct control over most of the drone fleet.
 
2013-02-20 10:00:44 AM

tallen702: Prank Call of Cthulhu: tallen702: In VA they have none of that.

(Looks at the intersection with the red light camera a block from his office.) WAT?

Where? Never had any in NOVA.


My wife has two tickets from red light cameras in Northern Virgina that say they do.
 
2013-02-20 10:03:30 AM
so, either they spend a lot of money on helicopters to spy on me, or they spend less money on drones to spy on me (and stop risking the lives of pilots, and decrease noise pollution)...  not particularly concerned.  i have no expectation of privacy outside my house.
 
2013-02-20 10:03:33 AM

tallen702: Where? Never had any in NOVA.


Newport News: Intersection of Oyster Point and Jefferson, and Mercury and Jefferson.
And from VDOT, a list of all approved intersections.  (includes Alexandria, Falls Church, and Arlington County, among others)
 
2013-02-20 10:07:51 AM
Stupid lawmakers.  What we need is a law that keeps people from breaking laws.
 
2013-02-20 10:10:15 AM
That's really gonna piss off the RC Model Airplane/Helicopter/Surveillance Drone Clubs.
 
2013-02-20 10:11:25 AM
Since VA has many forests and a drone would aid in searches 24/7 for escaped felons let's see who wins out on this.  Many drones are just cameras with wings, he is pandering to the paranoid segment of his constituents when he could be focused on his state's low test scores, high poverty and unemployment.  Way to go!
 
2013-02-20 10:14:44 AM
The new proposal, instead of using drones, is to send aircraft carriers sporting F-22s and F-35s
 
2013-02-20 10:15:41 AM
Why doesn't Virginia like the US Military on its property?
militarybattle.org
 
2013-02-20 10:18:12 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Evil and fascism won't stomp in wearing jackboots and brown shirts, it'll come in wanting to protect the children, and preserve traditional values.


So, all politicians in equal measure?
 
2013-02-20 10:19:44 AM

doctx: Since VA has many forests and a drone would aid in searches 24/7 for escaped felons let's see who wins out on this.


Large numbers of escaped felons isn't a problem here in the Commonwealth.
 
2013-02-20 10:22:13 AM
States can't ban the Feds when it comes to National security........
 
2013-02-20 10:29:02 AM
doctx:  he is pandering to the paranoid segment of his constituents when he could be focused on his state's low test scores, high poverty and unemployment.  Way to go!

Virginia:
Unemployment - 5.5% (11th lowest)
Poverty - 9.2% (8th lowest)
Low test scores - 12th (ACT) 32nd (SAT)

Where do you live that is so perfect?
 
2013-02-20 10:29:14 AM
As a long time resident of Virginia, I can say with 100% confidence that our politicians do nothing but pander to votes.  I'm on my senators mailing lists, and the crap they send me is just downright misleading.  So when you see a law like "no drones over your homes!"  its literally nothing but a publicity stunt for someones reelection campaign, and they have no intention of actually enforcing the law or not including loopholes that still allow them to do whatever they want.  Its literally propaganda.

It angers me.
 
2013-02-20 10:37:25 AM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: tallen702: Where? Never had any in NOVA.

Newport News: Intersection of Oyster Point and Jefferson, and Mercury and Jefferson.
And from VDOT, a list of all approved intersections.  (includes Alexandria, Falls Church, and Arlington County, among others)


Was going to post the same intersections - currently sitting in an office at CNU, drive through the damn things on a daily basis. I'm always supremely wary of turning right against one, because I've seen them flash after someone came to a full three second stop and then moved on, but people round here go nuts if you try and just sit there and not turn.
 
2013-02-20 10:40:53 AM
So is there where they are going to make criminals out of everyone who owns an RC airplane/helicopter that has a camera on it? So...the law to protect children, is going to actually end up sending them to jail?
 
2013-02-20 10:40:58 AM
It's time for a hero to step up and put a stop to these drones.
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2013-02-20 10:43:53 AM

tallen702: VA has been one of the few states to really take probable cause to heart over the past decade. Across the border where I live in MD, we have red light cameras, speed cameras, CCTV cameras, and now they're talking about going ahead with stop-sign cameras (if you don't come to a complete stop for 4 seconds, they'll ticket you). In VA they have none of that. There seems to be the belief that probable cause means that someone has to at least be manning the equipment and making the decision that "I think that person is doing something wrong" instead of assuming everyone guilty and monitoring all of them.


Not completely true, the intersection of the Fairfax Co. Parkway and Popes Head Rd. has one, but only for southbound traffic.
 
2013-02-20 10:46:25 AM
They should clarify that they only want to ban the "military style" drones because those are more dangerous looking.
 
2013-02-20 10:51:24 AM
So, quick question:

I thought the FAA had control over the nation's airspace. Is there any state-level control?
 
2013-02-20 10:53:02 AM

Donnchadha: Freedom Theater?

We won't spy on our own citizens*

/*unless there's some reason to


is this a ban on military drones or all drones?

There are actually businesses developing around drones (such as food delivery), so banning all drones is ridiculous if that's what this is.
 
2013-02-20 10:54:34 AM

Katolu: tallen702: VA has been one of the few states to really take probable cause to heart over the past decade. Across the border where I live in MD, we have red light cameras, speed cameras, CCTV cameras, and now they're talking about going ahead with stop-sign cameras (if you don't come to a complete stop for 4 seconds, they'll ticket you). In VA they have none of that. There seems to be the belief that probable cause means that someone has to at least be manning the equipment and making the decision that "I think that person is doing something wrong" instead of assuming everyone guilty and monitoring all of them.

Not completely true, the intersection of the Fairfax Co. Parkway and Popes Head Rd. has one, but only for southbound traffic.


Okay, good point. I know I've seen that one. I've never seen it working though. Just like there's a camera at the end of the DCA property on the GW Parkway, but nobody gets a speeding ticket from it. I kinda figured they were ruled against and inactive.
 
2013-02-20 10:58:35 AM

farkingatwork: is this a ban on military drones or all drones?


Buggar: So is there where they are going to make criminals out of everyone who owns an RC airplane/helicopter that has a camera on it?


iirightii: That's really gonna piss off the RC Model Airplane/Helicopter/Surveillance Drone Clubs.


I understand reading is hard, but the article clearly states:
"The bill bans local and state police from using drones to track suspects until at least 2015 with some exceptions."
 
2013-02-20 11:02:22 AM

pute kisses like a man: so, either they spend a lot of money on helicopters to spy on me, or they spend less money on drones to spy on me (and stop risking the lives of pilots, and decrease noise pollution)...  not particularly concerned.  i have no expectation of privacy outside my house.


Use of technology doesn't trend that way. When technology makes something cheaper and easier, people typically don't spend less money or time on that task, they simply do that task way more often. It used to take all day to wash clothes for the family using a bucket and washboard  so people wore the same clothes several times before washing them. Now that it's relatively quick and easy, people still spend all day once a week washing clothes, but at a much higher volume since (other than farkers) change them every day if not several times a day.

Drones will be the same way, where we had the budget to have one manned helicopter spying on citizens, they will instead have 100 unmanned aircraft doing much more surveillance while the budget for doing so and increases and the reasons for conducting the surveillance gets more ridiculous to justify the cost.
 
2013-02-20 11:11:14 AM

pute kisses like a man: so, either they spend a lot of money on helicopters to spy on me, or they spend less money on drones to spy on me (and  stop risking the lives of pilots, and decrease noise pollution)...  not particularly concerned.  i have no expectation of privacy outside my house.


Oh yeah... mixing drones that cannot "see and avoid" in airspace with manned aircraft is a great way to avoid loss of life.
 
2013-02-20 11:22:14 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Celery in their chili?

Might as well use horse meat and cook the chili without beans. It's THAT wrong.


Oh and they are proud of their Crab-cakes.
Which have a recipe calling for bread crumbs and Mayonnaise to be BAKED.
That's right. Baked Mayo.

They are a very sick and twisted bunch. There needs to be two Mason-Dixons.
One that says Yankees north of here.
And one below Maryland that says Anyone north of here cannot cook.
/Roots in Verginny.
 
2013-02-20 11:22:59 AM
...why?

I mean, why is this any more of a concern than manned aircraft?  Unmanned drones are still regulated by the FAA, y'know, subject to the same restrictions on flight plans and altitude and so on just like rockets and balloons.

mizchief: Now that it's relatively quick and easy, people still spend all day once a week washing clothes, but at a much higher volume since (other than farkers) change them every day if not several times a day.


Is that really that common?  For most Americans, a standard outfit involves jeans and a heavy shirt, seven pairs of jeans is a lot of damned laundry to do once a week, especially if you don't own your own washing machine or have any environmental conscience whatsoever beyond that possessed by Captain Planet villains.

//A pair of jeans goes 3-4 days for me between washes if I'm not doing anything actively dirty or sweaty with 'em, and I have lighter pants for exercise specifically to keep laundry loads down.
 
2013-02-20 11:23:15 AM
Well, chalk up another governor gone full retard.

Will we evar run out of them?
I thought most of the fundies had heard "give me strength to accept the things I cannot change".
 
2013-02-20 11:24:57 AM

snocone: Well, chalk up another governor gone full retard.


It's all part of Obammykare.
You see, eventually, there will be so many farking drones flying around, you'll get a free endoscopy every time you lie down at the beach.
 
2013-02-20 11:25:21 AM
FirstNationalBastard:
Celery in their chili?

Might as well use horse meat and cook the chili without beans. It's THAT wrong.


Not to mention pickle relish.
 
2013-02-20 11:26:07 AM

tallen702: VA has been one of the few states to really take probable cause to heart over the past decade. Across the border where I live in MD, we have red light cameras, speed cameras, CCTV cameras, and now they're talking about going ahead with stop-sign cameras (if you don't come to a complete stop for 4 seconds, they'll ticket you). In VA they have none of that. There seems to be the belief that probable cause means that someone has to at least be manning the equipment and making the decision that "I think that person is doing something wrong" instead of assuming everyone guilty and monitoring all of them.


Yes, but there is no power available at stop signs, so these will just be an army of drones to fly over areas typically filled with stop signs (like residential areas) to monitor all traffic.  They could even be used to track speed.... and while we are at it HOA violations like uncut lawns and.... oh... now I see the problem.

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