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(Short List)   During this global economic meltdown Ferrari have registered a) A record LOW number of sales in 2012 or b) A record HIGH?   (shortlist.com ) divider line 65
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2013-02-20 07:50:01 PM  

ha-ha-guy: meyerkev: Can I accelerate from 0 to freeway speed in the length of an onramp?

Well if your spec is the Barton Drive ramp to US-23, that's going to end up requiring 500 lb/ft of torque.

/wtf is up with that one MDOT?
//for those that don't know it, it is basically a stop sign, 30 feet of on ramp, and then the freeway


That entire bridge is screwed up.   At a guess, MDOT didn't have the budget to eminent domain someone's backyard. Scratch that.  It's a city park.  Yeah, WTF MDOT.

At the moment, my current spec is CA onramps, which make Barton Drive look good.  Do 10 MPH around the curve, and then have 30 feet to get up to 65 MPH and merge into a wall of traffic.
 
2013-02-20 09:29:11 PM  

chasd00: JohnBigBootay: kab: True cost of ownership is probably another story though, and I'm sure being a long term owner has more than it's share of headaches and annoyances.

Agreed. I'd just feel a duty to keep it perfect and I have no desire to be that guy. If I can't take my dog and spill shiat in there I don't see the point in owning one.

Yeah, i've been thinking long anad hard about a 911 Turbo since it's been my dream car for a while. But then I realized I have no decent place to put it. I could just park it in my driveway but it'd be stolen in a month I'm sure. I could put it in my garage but the garage floods in hardcore rain + my kid's turn put the garage in a constant state of flux so there's no doubt it will get scratched. All in all, owning it just isn't worth the headache for me right now.


They aren't stolen so much due to interlock systems in the car.  And for a measly $800 you can get a lojack like system which emails you if the car so much as moves 10ft.  Complete with map tracking and remote starter shut off from your phone.
 
2013-02-20 09:34:39 PM  

ha-ha-guy: meyerkev: Can I accelerate from 0 to freeway speed in the length of an onramp?

Well if your spec is the Barton Drive ramp to US-23, that's going to end up requiring 500 lb/ft of torque.

/wtf is up with that one MDOT?
//for those that don't know it, it is basically a stop sign, 30 feet of on ramp, and then the freeway


Consider who lives on Barton Drive...
/former A2 denizen.
 
2013-02-20 09:53:40 PM  
The rich get richer, and poor whine about it. God do they whine.
 
2013-02-20 10:12:26 PM  

aiiee: chasd00: JohnBigBootay: kab: True cost of ownership is probably another story though, and I'm sure being a long term owner has more than it's share of headaches and annoyances.

Agreed. I'd just feel a duty to keep it perfect and I have no desire to be that guy. If I can't take my dog and spill shiat in there I don't see the point in owning one.

Yeah, i've been thinking long anad hard about a 911 Turbo since it's been my dream car for a while. But then I realized I have no decent place to put it. I could just park it in my driveway but it'd be stolen in a month I'm sure. I could put it in my garage but the garage floods in hardcore rain + my kid's turn put the garage in a constant state of flux so there's no doubt it will get scratched. All in all, owning it just isn't worth the headache for me right now.

They aren't stolen so much due to interlock systems in the car.  And for a measly $800 you can get a lojack like system which emails you if the car so much as moves 10ft.  Complete with map tracking and remote starter shut off from your phone.


A manual transmission is a pretty good theft deterrent.
 
2013-02-20 10:44:13 PM  

meyerkev: That entire bridge is screwed up.   At a guess, MDOT didn't have the budget to eminent domain someone's backyard. Scratch that.  It's a city park.  Yeah, WTF MDOT.


I hear tell there is some driveway that winds along the edge of the city land that is the root cause of all this.  The owner of said driveway of course had the funds to get a lawyer when the state came knocking.  At some point though the state is going to need to suck it up and go after him.  I've seen way too many State Troopers there cleaning up accidents.

Although it does give me any excuse to actually launch my car on the road, about the only legit time.

/or you cruise up Barton to North Territorial (or go over to Plymouth if you want M-14), but where is the fun in that?
 
2013-02-21 07:10:30 AM  

akula: ha-ha-guy: Once you're at 300HP or so in a regular passenger car you've got more power than you're really going to be using.


I disagree with that bit.

I'm a "car guy."  I have been to racing school, done wheel-to-wheel road racing, etc.  Since becoming a driving enthusiast, I've owned a number of Mazda Miatas (one of the best sports cars you can buy, IMO).  When I would tell people that the Miata was perfect because you could cane it around town, have a blast and never break the speed limit I meant it.  And that's absolutely true.  But when you do want the big rush of acceleration, it leaves you disappointed.

Eventually, I bought a Lotus Elise.  It was a dream car for me.  I got on a waiting list and scraped every scrap of money I could find into a little pile just to make the downpayment.  I love the car (I have had it for eight years as of 02/14/13).  The Elise has incredible handling, but it's a bit underpowered.  It's great for a day at the track or a romp down a twisty road on a nice summer day, but pegging the throttle will leave you wanting.

So, a while back, I bought a BMW M3 with a 414 HP V8.  It's the first car I've ever owned with more than 300 HP and I thought, "This car is going to be the fastest thing I ever hope to own."  But the fact is that, even at legal speeds, if I mash the skinny pedal down in that big, heavy car there are times when I want more shove.  And that's in a RWD sedan.  If it were AWD, I'd definitely feel like it needed extra grunt.

When I started going to the track and hanging out with car people, the old guys used to say that you could never have enough power.  I always dismissed that as machismo.  But now that I'm becoming an old guy, I find myself saying it too.
 
2013-02-21 08:18:56 AM  

Parkanzky: akula: ha-ha-guy: Once you're at 300HP or so in a regular passenger car you've got more power than you're really going to be using.

I disagree with that bit.

I'm a "car guy."  I have been to racing school, done wheel-to-wheel road racing, etc.  Since becoming a driving enthusiast, I've owned a number of Mazda Miatas (one of the best sports cars you can buy, IMO).  When I would tell people that the Miata was perfect because you could cane it around town, have a blast and never break the speed limit I meant it.  And that's absolutely true.  But when you do want the big rush of acceleration, it leaves you disappointed.

Eventually, I bought a Lotus Elise.  It was a dream car for me.  I got on a waiting list and scraped every scrap of money I could find into a little pile just to make the downpayment.  I love the car (I have had it for eight years as of 02/14/13).  The Elise has incredible handling, but it's a bit underpowered.  It's great for a day at the track or a romp down a twisty road on a nice summer day, but pegging the throttle will leave you wanting.

So, a while back, I bought a BMW M3 with a 414 HP V8.  It's the first car I've ever owned with more than 300 HP and I thought, "This car is going to be the fastest thing I ever hope to own."  But the fact is that, even at legal speeds, if I mash the skinny pedal down in that big, heavy car there are times when I want more shove.  And that's in a RWD sedan.  If it were AWD, I'd definitely feel like it needed extra grunt.

When I started going to the track and hanging out with car people, the old guys used to say that you could never have enough power.  I always dismissed that as machismo.  But now that I'm becoming an old guy, I find myself saying it too.


Thats why I <3 my WRX, it only has 267 HP, but it's light enough and turbo'd enough @ stock that when mashing the skinny petal it's going to lay you back in your seat.

Plus it's AWD, I can haul a bunch of stuff in it, and on it when I need to, and with my winter tires, I have a car that can dodge the idiots in their careening SUV's as I get along safely.
 
2013-02-21 08:28:33 AM  

Girion47: Thats why I <3 my WRX, it only has 267 HP, but it's light enough and turbo'd enough @ stock that when mashing the skinny petal it's going to lay you back in your seat.

Plus it's AWD, I can haul a bunch of stuff in it, and on it when I need to, a ...


I am a big fan of the Subarus.  A friend has a modified '05 STI and it is an absolute hoot to drive.  And that boxer engine makes an awesome noise!  But, having driven it with well over 300 HP, I can tell you that 267 isn't enough (for me)...
 
kab
2013-02-21 08:30:29 AM  

Parkanzky: I disagree with that bit.

I'm a "car guy." I have been to racing school, done wheel-to-wheel road racing, etc. Since becoming a driving enthusiast, I've owned a number of Mazda Miatas (one of the best sports cars you can buy, IMO). When I would tell people that the Miata was perfect because you could cane it around town, have a blast and never break the speed limit I meant it. And that's absolutely true. But when you do want the big rush of acceleration, it leaves you disappointed.

Eventually, I bought a Lotus Elise. It was a dream car for me. I got on a waiting list and scraped every scrap of money I could find into a little pile just to make the downpayment. I love the car (I have had it for eight years as of 02/14/13). The Elise has incredible handling, but it's a bit underpowered. It's great for a day at the track or a romp down a twisty road on a nice summer day, but pegging the throttle will leave you wanting.

So, a while back, I bought a BMW M3 with a 414 HP V8. It's the first car I've ever owned with more than 300 HP and I thought, "This car is going to be the fastest thing I ever hope to own." But the fact is that, even at legal speeds, if I mash the skinny pedal down in that big, heavy car there are times when I want more shove. And that's in a RWD sedan. If it were AWD, I'd definitely feel like it needed extra grunt.

When I started going to the track and hanging out with car people, the old guys used to say that you could never have enough power. I always dismissed that as machismo. But now that I'm becoming an old guy, I find myself saying it too.


I can see where you're coming from.  Nearly any level of power becomes something that you simply become used to after you use it frequently enough.   Being a guy that has owned several literbikes, even on those you'd simply start accepting that level of acceleration as status quo until you take a break and drive a normal car for a few weeks to readjust yourself.   Then get back on the bike, and it feels mind-numbingly fast again :)
 
2013-02-21 08:30:52 AM  

Parkanzky: Girion47: Thats why I <3 my WRX, it only has 267 HP, but it's light enough and turbo'd enough @ stock that when mashing the skinny petal it's going to lay you back in your seat.

Plus it's AWD, I can haul a bunch of stuff in it, and on it when I need to, a ...

I am a big fan of the Subarus.  A friend has a modified '05 STI and it is an absolute hoot to drive.  And that boxer engine makes an awesome noise!  But, having driven it with well over 300 HP, I can tell you that 267 isn't enough (for me)...


267 is where you start, They have how-to's on there on how you can boost it to 800 if you're truly crazy enough.  I think I'd like to end up around 340, the straight-line speed isn't what appeals to me anyway, getting the perfect apex on a curve and coming out in full boost is where I get my fun.
 
2013-02-21 12:08:09 PM  

ha-ha-guy: (The GT500 was dubbed the "stockbroker killer" due to its popularity with that crowd and the frequency of their wrecks).


That happens with aircraft as well; the Beechcraft Bonanza became known as the Fork-Tailed Doctor Killer. High-performance cars and aircraft need certain level of skill to handle, and most of the people who can afford to own them don't have the time to keep their skills up.
 
2013-02-22 01:19:14 AM  

Linux_Yes: SnarfVader: That's because there was no global economic meltdown for the super rich.

the Wealth Gap gets larger with time.  that is what happens when Captialism operates unchecked by a democratically elected government.

the rich get richer at everone else's expense.  they take more and more of the wealth that the other 98% produce.

and they call it Freedom.

ain't Freedom great!

course, when the wealth gap gets too big, then you likely have Revolution.  especially in an armed society.


The rich arn't getting richer because that's the nature of capitalism, scandinavia is doing fine.  It's because a country full of retards decided that rich people should be rich *because*, and slashed their taxes while giving them, well what haven't they gotten?  It's frightening to think this is the world power.
 
2013-02-22 01:35:21 PM  

SnarfVader: That's because there was no global economic meltdown for the super rich.


Therion: The global economy did not melt down, it was hoovered up.


Thanks, no need for me to do anything here other than waste a few seconds typing a useless sentence.
 
2013-02-22 01:36:15 PM  
links136:
The rich arn't getting richer because that's the nature of capitalism, scandinavia is doing fine.  It's because a country full of retards decided that rich people should be rich *because*, and slashed their taxes while giving them, well what haven't they gotten?  It's frightening to think this is the world power.

O and quote this.
 
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