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(Reuters)   Stalking, harassment, and home invasion are illegal. Unless you're in a union   (blogs.reuters.com) divider line 119
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2013-02-20 08:37:09 AM
Oh joy, a Union thread!

These can be so much fun
 
2013-02-20 08:44:00 AM
And these lowlifes should get what any other home invader gets. But sorry Mr. Biden...I don't fire warning shots.
 
2013-02-20 09:03:15 AM
www.albany.edu
 
2013-02-20 09:08:44 AM
Why do unions seek exemption from anti-stalking laws?

Union membership is reliant solely on coercion.  If it isn't, then strike these exemptions from law.  If Unions can operate without coercion, then surely they don't need to be exempted from these laws that ban sabotage, home invasion and assault.
 
2013-02-20 09:25:12 AM
This report is from the US Chamber of Commerce, which is actively seeking to return the US labor market back to the 1700's.
 
2013-02-20 09:27:15 AM

SlothB77: Why do unions seek exemption from anti-stalking laws?

Union membership is reliant solely on coercion.  If it isn't, then strike these exemptions from law.  If Unions can operate without coercion, then surely they don't need to be exempted from these laws that ban sabotage, home invasion and assault.


Just like Congress has no need to exempt themselves from OSHA, ADA, EOE, etc. - but they do anyway.
 
2013-02-20 09:28:37 AM
Duh.
 
2013-02-20 09:28:42 AM

Marcus Aurelius: This report is from the US Chamber of Commerce, which is actively seeking to return the US labor market back to the 1700's.

 
2013-02-20 09:28:59 AM

jehovahs witness protection: And these lowlifes should get what any other home invader gets. But sorry Mr. Biden...I don't fire warning shots.


I interpret "warning shot" as "warning, you are going to start bleeding out soon".

Break into my house and you'll get a warning shot, I don't care who you are and I come from a long line of union members.
 
2013-02-20 09:30:34 AM
and yall keep voting Democrat

scottystarnes.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-20 09:30:42 AM

Devo: Marcus Aurelius: This report is from the US Chamber of Commerce, which is actively seeking to return the US labor market back to the 1700's.


So...tar and feathers instead of tire slashing?
 
2013-02-20 09:30:54 AM
An opinion piece by Grover G. Norquist?

Lol... OK
 
2013-02-20 09:30:55 AM

Marcus Aurelius: This report is from the US Chamber of Commerce, which is actively seeking to return the US labor market back to the 1700's.


No, but it's funny that you think so. Unions were once a force for good and a much needed thing. They are now a corrupt and power mad machine that does far more harm than good to everyone, including their members.
 
2013-02-20 09:31:01 AM

Marcus Aurelius: This report is from the US Chamber of Commerce, which is actively seeking to return the US labor market back to the 1700's.


Not stupid enough. 2/10. Would not ridicule.
 
2013-02-20 09:32:49 AM

cman: Oh joy, a Union thread!

These can be so much fun


You don't like the union-bashing? Take it to Kos.
 
2013-02-20 09:32:59 AM
Or an employer
 
2013-02-20 09:33:10 AM
Oh, and written by Grover Norquist.
 
2013-02-20 09:33:11 AM
The vast majority of people who biatch about unions have never paid dues to a union yet have reaped the benefits.
 
2013-02-20 09:33:55 AM

Marcus Aurelius: This report is from the US Chamber of Commerce, which is actively seeking to return the US labor market back to the 1700's.


Nah, they're happy with the 1900's.
 
2013-02-20 09:33:59 AM
Grover Norquist and the US Chamber of Commerce.


Sounds legit......
 
2013-02-20 09:34:07 AM

clane: and yall keep voting Democrat

[scottystarnes.files.wordpress.com image 700x636]


I'd like to see big business in that picture to compare it for scale.  I don't know if you noticed, but labor unions have been under all-out assault for about 40 years now, and the wage of the average American worker is stagnant as a result.

The bottom line is that if you hate labor unions, you love squashing ordinary Americans under the boot heel of lower wages and benefits.
 
2013-02-20 09:35:13 AM

Citrate1007: The vast majority of people who biatch about unions have never paid dues to a union yet have reaped the benefits.


...and don't realize that most of those benefits are being taken back now that the majority of workers are non-union again.
 
2013-02-20 09:35:37 AM

s2s2s2: Marcus Aurelius: This report is from the US Chamber of Commerce, which is actively seeking to return the US labor market back to the 1700's.

Not stupid enough. 2/10. Would not ridicule.


Go study some history, son, and then get back to me on that.

/start with howard zinn
 
2013-02-20 09:35:37 AM

Marcus Aurelius: This report is from the US Chamber of Commerce, which is actively seeking to return the US labor market back to the 1700's.


Oh Oh! Can I be a pirate?
 
2013-02-20 09:37:02 AM

randomjsa: Marcus Aurelius: This report is from the US Chamber of Commerce, which is actively seeking to return the US labor market back to the 1700's.

No, but it's funny that you think so. Unions were once a force for good and a much needed thing. They are now a corrupt and power mad machine that does far more harm than good to everyone, including their members.


You are another poster ignorant of the history of the labor movement.

Your argument applies equally to the concept of capitalism in this country.

Go study your history and then get back to me on that.
 
2013-02-20 09:37:11 AM
Every working American since the 1870's has benefited at some level by unions.  Anyone who believes they haven't just need to walk into the meeting room of their workplace and see the employee rights posters on the walls.  People died for those rights, just like people died to keep this country free. When you piss on unions, you piss on the graves of Americans who died to give you the rights you currently enjoy.
 
2013-02-20 09:37:25 AM

keylock71: An opinion piece by Grover G. Norquist?

Lol... OK


Well, he brought up a bunch of ostensibly factual stories about union activities and state laws. Perhaps you can refute them?
 
2013-02-20 09:37:38 AM

painless42: Marcus Aurelius: This report is from the US Chamber of Commerce, which is actively seeking to return the US labor market back to the 1700's.

Oh Oh! Can I be a pirate?


Chances are good that you already are!
 
2013-02-20 09:40:08 AM
Marcus Aurelius and WTF Indeed, are you defending violence, harassment, and intimidation as legitimate bargaining tactics?
 
2013-02-20 09:40:31 AM
 media3.s-nbcnews.com

media3.s-nbcnews.com

Won't someone please stop these evil, corrupt, power mad workers?!
 
2013-02-20 09:42:36 AM
Unions were a good thing; until it became more about the union then the actual members of the union. I suppose they still provide some service or other in this day and age.
 
2013-02-20 09:44:20 AM

jigger: ostensibly factual stories


Some people picketed a grocery store and a banker's house. I guess this means we should repeal Social Security and child labor laws.
 
2013-02-20 09:44:59 AM

Marcus Aurelius: I'd like to see big business in that picture to compare it for scale.


lol, you don't think Big Business would be right there with them?

Big Business loooovvvessss Big Government.
 
2013-02-20 09:46:28 AM
Jigger, when you dream about being Grover Norquist's bottom does he use lube or not?
 
2013-02-20 09:47:32 AM
Unions, darlings of the left and bastions of equality without competence requirements, turn out to be corrupt thugs.

Who would have guessed.

As said before, liberalsm is a mental disorder spread through self-pity.

It's time to outgrow it.
 
2013-02-20 09:48:03 AM
Anti-abortion protesters need to unionize.
 
2013-02-20 09:48:37 AM

jigger: Marcus Aurelius and WTF Indeed, are you defending violence, harassment, and intimidation as legitimate bargaining tactics?


Only if you believe things that come out of the US Chamber of Commerce or you hate America.
 
2013-02-20 09:49:37 AM
I'm SHOCKED that the pic is of a UCFW member.  Gotta be one of the biggest joke unions out there.  We crushed their local 555's attempt to take over my workplace.  In the end, the union made itself look so bad, that it was blatantly obvious people didn't want to be a part of that.  They would try to disturb business to the point where it was way past uncomfortable, and most people have nowhere to "go" in most work situations.  I for one, loved to get right in their face if they felt they could do that to me.  After we crushed them in the vote, tails were tucked, the money was blown, and only the people paying dues lost.

GO UNIONS......they're falling apart, and their members are gonna suffer for it in the end
 
2013-02-20 09:50:26 AM

WTF Indeed: Every working American since the 1870's has benefited at some level by unions.  Anyone who believes they haven't just need to walk into the meeting room of their workplace and see the employee rights posters on the walls.  People died for those rights, just like people died to keep this country free. When you piss on unions, you piss on the graves of Americans who died to give you the rights you currently enjoy.


Well maybe if some unions didn't act like a bunch of hooligans people wouldn't be pissing on them.   Destruction of property, intimidation, harassment, assault....yeah people doing that are really worthy of our respect.
 
2013-02-20 09:50:50 AM

Spade: Marcus Aurelius: I'd like to see big business in that picture to compare it for scale.

lol, you don't think Big Business would be right there with them?

Big Business loooovvvessss Big Government.


And they've co-opted "big labor" as well.
 
2013-02-20 09:51:30 AM
I support union protests, like the Air Traffic Controllers did; oh wait, my bad.
 
2013-02-20 09:52:12 AM
Norma Rae like a mfkr...

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\\ you know it's hot!
 
2013-02-20 09:53:13 AM
I was wondering why the article sounded so moronic and anti-California: It was written by the Great Right Loon Grover Norquist.
 
2013-02-20 09:53:23 AM
Some are more equal than other i guess.
 
2013-02-20 09:53:45 AM

Marcus Aurelius: I don't know if you noticed, but labor unions have been under all-out assault for about 40 years now, and the wage of the average American worker is stagnant as a result.


The wage of the average worker has been stagnant since the rest of the world recovered from WWII starting around the mid-1970s. The 50s are never coming back, short of us bombing the developed world back into the bronze age again.
 
2013-02-20 10:00:36 AM
Pennsylvania unions now enjoy a loophole that the state's anti-stalking law "shall not apply to conduct by a party to a labor dispute." In Illinois, anti-stalking laws exempt "any controversy concerning wages, salaries, hours, working conditions or benefits ... the making of collective bargaining agreements."

Look, given that he doesn't even give the farking reference for the statute, and from context, I'm going to derive that this is an exemption specifically to the portions of the law regarding restraining orders and semi-private property.

Specifically, I'm going to wager that the exception translates to "no, you can't take out restraining orders on protesters, then go hang out in your parking lot within 50 feet of them and have them arrested".  I'm further going to wager that the exception's in there because someone did exactly this, directly demonstrating the need for such an objection.

I'm also going to note, given that his example of the abuse generated by the loophole involves people outside an actual store being "harassed", with no physical altercations noted, that the exceptions do not extend to truly private property (people's houses), trespassing, or legitimately threatening behavior (i.e. assault).

Basically, the way the op-ed is written makes it  painfully clear that this is a complete non-issue and anyone taking it at face value is such a colossal idiot that I don't even know that I have words small enough to explain the context to you.

Wendy's Chili: [media3.s-nbcnews.com image 600x350]

[media3.s-nbcnews.com image 600x350]

Won't someone please stop these evil, corrupt, power mad workers?!


To be fair, that sort of depends on what you're counting as "income" and what you aren't, making them very easy numbers to spin.  People trying to make the high-income folks look bad tend to only count salary and capital gains (i.e. increases in property values), which inflates the ratio significantly in favor of the rich by ignoring less-liquid worker compensation like insurance, transportation, etc (which admittedly aren't as well-documented).  Someone looking to do the opposite will count full worker compensation but ignore capital-derived wealth gain altogether.  How you're weighting the population elements causes the ratio to swing quite a bit, too.

Basically, I'd be somewhat suspicious of numbers with that clear an agenda, when you're posting something like that it needs a lot more methodology linked or attached.

//Not that income inequality isn't a legitimate issue for the government to address, but "Emmanuel Saez" doesn't sound like a large, impartial third-party institute with a long record of reliable statistical methodology to me.  Kinda sounds like a single random guy spinning someone else's data.
 
2013-02-20 10:02:10 AM

Wendy's Chili: jigger: ostensibly factual stories

Some people picketed a grocery store and a banker's house. I guess this means we should repeal Social Security and child labor laws.


It's even worse than that, I'm afraid... They followed people to job sites! Followed them!

It's just like Nazi Germany now.
 
2013-02-20 10:04:46 AM

Wendy's Chili: jigger: ostensibly factual stories

Some people picketed a grocery store and a banker's house. I guess this means we should repeal Social Security and child labor laws.


Ah, just some innocent picketing. Not yelling in people's faces, pushing and shoving, or banging on someone's front door. Not tire slashing, rock throwing, sabotaging, or shooting. Just honest old fashion picketing. So you wouldn't mind if they removed the union exemptions to the anti-stalking and anti-harassment laws? Obviously it wouldn't affect union activities.

Marcus Aurelius: jigger: Marcus Aurelius and WTF Indeed, are you defending violence, harassment, and intimidation as legitimate bargaining tactics?

Only if you believe things that come out of the US Chamber of Commerce or you hate America.


You're saying that these reports of violence on the part of union members are completely fabricated? Grover Norquist made it all up?
 
2013-02-20 10:09:34 AM

This text is now purple: Marcus Aurelius: I don't know if you noticed, but labor unions have been under all-out assault for about 40 years now, and the wage of the average American worker is stagnant as a result.

The wage of the average worker has been stagnant since the rest of the world recovered from WWII starting around the mid-1970s. The 50s are never coming back, short of us bombing the developed world back into the bronze age again.



Then I say let's do it!
 
2013-02-20 10:09:42 AM
I've held UFCW and AFT union cards. Fat lot of good that ever did for me. UFCW claimed all but $5 of a paycheck with their "initiation" fees and then told me that I couldn't work more than 20 hours, even though no one higher in seniority wanted to work.

AFT told me "either pay dues and vote for leadership" or "pay us the same amount as dues and get no say if you don't want to join".

Unions are corrupt parasites that do nothing to help anyone but themselves and the ruling class in this country. If you belong to a union, find out how many of your "leaders" have actually done the work that you do. Find out how many make multiples of your wages. Find out if their wages have been stagnant or if they have taken cuts when you have taken cuts for the contracts they negotiated.

I'll take my chances with the free market, thanks very much.
 
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