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2013-02-20 06:19:11 AM

lewismarktwo: propasaurus: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Homes with guns are 12 times more likely to have household members or guests killed or injured by the weapon than by an intruder.

Obviously we should ban household members and guests.

And when you subtract suicides and purposeful homicide it makes a much less brainwashy talking point.


Of course. Why would we have any interest in impeding suicides or purposeful homicides. The lame stream MSM media keeps portraying them as bad things, that's why.
 
2013-02-20 06:25:01 AM

bingethinker: lewismarktwo: propasaurus: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Homes with guns are 12 times more likely to have household members or guests killed or injured by the weapon than by an intruder.

Obviously we should ban household members and guests.

And when you subtract suicides and purposeful homicide it makes a much less brainwashy talking point.

And when you subtract collisions with other cars or stationary objects, driving is really, really safe. Did you even read your own post?


Boy, you don't read good do you?  "Collisions with other cars or stationary objects" are accidents.  Suicide and murder are not.  You can kill yourself with a plastic bag or a charcoal briquette.  You can buy rat poison from the hardware store and kill your family.  It's not like the guns had anything to do with who ended up dead.  I guess that leaves us to thinking of the children.

The fable that your young child is highly likely to find your gun and kill his best friend with it was never true.  The statistics for 'child gun deaths' include gangbangers up to 19 years of age.  It's all bullshiat.  People are just scared of guns because they don't trust the nebulous 'other person' with the power over life and death.  They have convinced themselves that guns are the tool for violent death.  Turns out they are wrong.
 
2013-02-20 06:28:57 AM
It's obviously time for some common sense oven laws.
 
2013-02-20 06:31:22 AM
You know who else used ovens for purposeful homicides?
 
2013-02-20 06:31:44 AM
thetickingtabloid.com

Out of my cold, dead hands.

Seriously, though, she must have opened the oven to get all that shrapnel in herself. Bullets just explode when heated, they don't fly out if the casing. They need to be chambered to actually shoot.
 
2013-02-20 06:33:38 AM
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2013-02-20 06:37:03 AM

Chariset: ultraholland: Rule #1: The oven us ALWAYS loaded.

Hehehehehe.

 
2013-02-20 06:46:05 AM

feckingmorons: Who makes waffles in an oven?


you could do it with a super old-school one like this:
rvpartsmonster.com

But how could you tell if the waffles were done?
 
2013-02-20 06:57:08 AM

violentsalvation: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Homes with guns are 12 times more likely to have household members or guests killed or injured by the weapon than by an intruder.

Well by all means, keep guns out of your household then! If you see a gun in your home as a threat to the occupants then don't have a gun!
And what happened to 43:1? Didn't hold up to any scrutiny? I wonder how 12:1 will do. Poorly, I'd imagine.


Might just be me and my family but I've had a gun since I was 12. No shootings of anyone and I'm 48.

I'd read an article, going to look for it here in a minute, that stated these studies assume the weapon was from the home. But it could have been a weapon brought into the home by the intruders.  Flawed study is flawed?
 
2013-02-20 07:11:44 AM

ultraholland: Rule #1: The oven us ALWAYS loaded.


This.

I always preheat my ammo to 350 before busting a cap.
 
2013-02-20 07:17:53 AM
Gun owners are their own worst enemy in many cases... What a farking idiot. Hopefully, they only end up killing themselves and not someone else.
 
2013-02-20 07:44:08 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Homes with guns are 12 times more likely to have household members or guests killed or injured by the weapon than by an intruder.


I agree. And a home without a gun has *0* chance of a family member being killed with it.
But 12 x 0 still equals 0.
 
2013-02-20 07:49:47 AM

mike_d85: feckingmorons: Who makes waffles in an oven?

you could do it with a super old-school one like this:
[rvpartsmonster.com image 800x800]

But how could you tell if the waffles were done?


When the bullet goes off.  Duh!
 
2013-02-20 07:53:14 AM

heypete: doosh: He prolly stashed it in there to hide it temporarily but, more interestingly, how did exploding bullets manage to punch through a clip, a wooden case and through the oven door?? It's my understanding that a bullet tossed into a fire isn't particularly dangerous. The bullet needs a barrel to make it speed forward otherwise the round just pops. Those fragments in her chest I bet were from the case and not the bullet and I just can't see how those pieces busted through all those barriers.

Storing firearms in ovens is a pretty stupid thing for someone to do.

A cartridge tossed into a fire isn't really all that dangerous -- the bullet is (usually) much more massive than the powder and case, so the powder burns, expands, and the case pops off at relatively low velocity while the bullet itself doesn't move much. A cartridge (or a bunch of them) stored in a magazine may be more dangerous, as the casings have nowhere to go and many magazines don't allow for the bullet and casing to separate -- it certainly seems plausible that pressure in the case could build up to the point where it explodes with some force. Combine several exploding cases and the magazine body itself could fragment. It'd be interesting to see how feasible this really is (under safe, controlled conditions, of course).
  jso2897: Gun-fappers like to think that their petty technical expertise about boring details of guns make their social and political opinions about them somehow more valid - just another example of how they aren't very bright.

The magazine/clip debate has been going on forever and is ultimately pretty meaningless, I agree.

However, when you have legislators who don't understand the basics of what they're trying to regulate (such as the difference between "automatic" and "semi-automatic" firearms and Carolyn McCarthy's famously incorrect description of a barrel shroud as "the shoulder thing that goes up") then its not unreasonable for people to get annoyed and conclude that the leg ...


Simple, basic knowledge, yes. Arcane, picayune bullshiat like the "clip/magazine" debate, not so much.
 
2013-02-20 07:53:48 AM
I've seen first hand what an exploding bullet can do.
I was at a range in Crestview, Fl. Some LEO was a couple of lanes over with his box of ammo. He had taken the bullets out of the box, so they where sitting primer up in the foam block. Aparently a spent casing from his gun bounced off the side wall and landed just right so that it struck a primer. The bullet ended up on the floor about three feet behind the guy, the casing blew out the foam and left some shrapnel pieces everywhere. The LEO wasn't injured.

That was a 9mm.

If you are holding a .50 BMG and strike the primer...the results arn't as good. (NSFW or lunch)
 
2013-02-20 08:13:55 AM
Sounds like a good plan to shoot the spouse.  Before she leaves ask her to turn on the oven to preheat it.

Turn off the oven.   When she gets back, say 'what the hell is this in the oven' and when she steps closer, you shoot her through the door.   then put the mag in the oven and take a pair of tongs and turn the oven back on.   Go to the store.   Come back and 'discover she somehow was shot' when the oven fired the bullet in the magazine.

Gotta sound more legit than the legless guy shooting the model.
 
2013-02-20 08:20:11 AM

jso2897: Simple, basic knowledge, yes. Arcane, picayune bullshiat like the "clip/magazine" debate, not so much.


Well, you can ban 30 round clips all you want, I'm fine with that, just so long as you don't ban 30 round magazines.
 
2013-02-20 08:24:18 AM

jso2897: Simple, basic knowledge, yes. Arcane, picayune bullshiat like the "clip/magazine" debate, not so much.


Agreed. The clip/magazine debate is silly and doesn't really have any meaningful effect on policy.

I'm willing to give people the benefit of the doubt on minor issues when it comes to discussion or debate or when it's clear that someone simply made an error while speaking but actually knows the correct term, but there are certain technical details that are extremely important to differentiate between when discussing or debating firearm-related policy (e.g. the difference between "automatic" and "semi-automatic"). Words, particularly technical ones, mean things and it's important for people to have a clear understanding about them before being able to have an informed discussion. By misusing important terms, one demonstrates their unfamiliarity with the subject and its difficult to take them seriously.
 

Naturally, I'd expect the laws themselves to be written with the proper terms so that they're clear and unambiguous.
 
2013-02-20 08:25:10 AM
Oh FFS, stupid boyfriend!
It's not "putting a gun into your girlfriend's oven", it's "bun".
 
2013-02-20 08:29:32 AM

MythDragon: I've seen first hand what an exploding bullet can do.
I was at a range in Crestview, Fl. Some LEO was a couple of lanes over with his box of ammo. He had taken the bullets out of the box, so they where sitting primer up in the foam block. Aparently a spent casing from his gun bounced off the side wall and landed just right so that it struck a primer. The bullet ended up on the floor about three feet behind the guy, the casing blew out the foam and left some shrapnel pieces everywhere. The LEO wasn't injured.

That was a 9mm.

If you are holding a .50 BMG and strike the primer...the results arn't as good. (NSFW or lunch)


That BMG only hurt the guy because it was a BMG, and he was holding it.

Here is a video for firefighters from SAAMI about ammo and fires.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SlOXowwC4c

(those of you that shoot, will cry a bit watching this)

Anyway, "MythDragon" is completely wrong, or lying his description of events are completely overblown.  Fires and ammo, or just discharging ammo is not dangerous at all to anything except maybe your eyes.
 
2013-02-20 09:00:31 AM
Rule #4: Always keep the oven unloaded when in use.
 
2013-02-20 09:16:39 AM

jafiwam: MythDragon: I've seen first hand what an exploding bullet can do.
I was at a range in Crestview, Fl. Some LEO was a couple of lanes over with his box of ammo. He had taken the bullets out of the box, so they where sitting primer up in the foam block. Aparently a spent casing from his gun bounced off the side wall and landed just right so that it struck a primer. The bullet ended up on the floor about three feet behind the guy, the casing blew out the foam and left some shrapnel pieces everywhere. The LEO wasn't injured.

That was a 9mm.

If you are holding a .50 BMG and strike the primer...the results arn't as good. (NSFW or lunch)

That BMG only hurt the guy because it was a BMG, and he was holding it.

Anyway, "MythDragon" is completely wrong, or lying his description of events are completely overblown.  Fires and ammo, or just discharging ammo is not dangerous at all to anything except maybe your eyes.


I specifically pointed out it was a .50 bmg and that it was being held, and that only because it was a .50 bmg was the damage so great.
And my description of events is no different from the destructive power of an unchambered round demonstrated in your video.
The bullet was on the outside row of bullets in a lightweight foam holder. It takes no effort to break those apart. So it would be nothing from an expoding shell case to blow a hole though 1/4" of foam. There were small pieces of the casing laying about, and the bullet was lying on the floor, not embedded into it. It was on the floor because the ruptured casing popped it free and thats where it ended up after bouncing on the floor. I also specifically pointed out that no one was injured even though a guy was standing right there. Did you actualy read my post before exclaming to the world that I am 'completely' wrong or a liar. Or were you in such a rush to post your video (which agrees with everything I said) that you just gave it a casual glance?
 
2013-02-20 09:35:30 AM

lewismarktwo: propasaurus: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Homes with guns are 12 times more likely to have household members or guests killed or injured by the weapon than by an intruder.

Obviously we should ban household members and guests.

And when you subtract suicides and purposeful homicide it makes a much less brainwashy talking point.


Yeah, no it really doesn't.
 
2013-02-20 09:42:21 AM

Azlefty: Ok Still trying to figure out Why The F you place a gun, magazine ammo etc onto an oven?  The I have done this to pistol frames and slides to hot blue them or to powder coat neither of which you do to tactical Tupperware


Is there an easy way to do hot bluing at home, or is it just a complete biatch no matter how you do it?
 
2013-02-20 09:53:59 AM
Home Economics 101:  ALWAYS TREAT THE OVEN AS IF IT WERE LOADED

How many times does this need to be repeated?
 
2013-02-20 10:03:14 AM

Frank N Stein: What kind of retard buys a gun chambered in .45 ACP that isn't either a 1911 or a Thompson SMG?

It's unamerican, I tell you!


SOCOM and I would like a word:

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2013-02-20 10:03:19 AM

LoneCoon: Azlefty: Ok Still trying to figure out Why The F you place a gun, magazine ammo etc onto an oven?  The I have done this to pistol frames and slides to hot blue them or to powder coat neither of which you do to tactical Tupperware

Is there an easy way to do hot bluing at home, or is it just a complete biatch no matter how you do it?


Side note here:
If you were hot bluing a gun in the oven, and someone tried to make waffles, would you end up with blue waffles?
 
2013-02-20 10:38:23 AM

lewismarktwo: propasaurus: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Homes with guns are 12 times more likely to have household members or guests killed or injured by the weapon than by an intruder.

And when you subtract suicides and purposeful homicide it makes a much less brainwashy talking point.


Why would you subtract these? If, for example, a suicidal person with a gun is less likely to commit suicide, then this should be considered.

There could be various reasons why this could be true: it is faster than asphyxiation or some poison, more accessible than jumping off a cliff or in front of a train, fixation on guns coupled with temporarily unstable mind, inflated idea of guns as solutions to problems, or other reasons.
 
2013-02-20 10:52:48 AM

Gyrfalcon: BronyMedic: Well, glocks ARE tactical tupperware, can you blame him for putting it with the other polymer cookware?

Glock AR-47 tactical assault cookware! It was bound to happen!


And from yesterday's FARK, now they can be 3D printed!  Any day now!  Honest!
 
2013-02-20 11:43:18 AM

ElFugawz: lewismarktwo: propasaurus: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Homes with guns are 12 times more likely to have household members or guests killed or injured by the weapon than by an intruder.

And when you subtract suicides and purposeful homicide it makes a much less brainwashy talking point.

Why would you subtract these? If, for example, a suicidal person with a gun is less likely to commit suicide, then this should be considered.

There could be various reasons why this could be true: it is faster than asphyxiation or some poison, more accessible than jumping off a cliff or in front of a train, fixation on guns coupled with temporarily unstable mind, inflated idea of guns as solutions to problems, or other reasons.


There's no evidence that owning a gun makes suicide more likely.  If you have a gun you and are a man you are more likely to use it to kill yourself, if you want to, you know, kill yourself.  Women still usually go for poison/drugs so they can look good at the funeral.

BTW it's REALLY easy to fark up killing yourself with a gun.  A little off on the angle and you're a paraplegic or lobotomized.

The most attractive way to off yourself is an opioid overdose, not guns.  You feel no pain and then simply don't wake up.

Anyway, the point of the misleading factoid above is to convince people that an inanimate object makes something more likely to happen.
 
2013-02-20 12:28:56 PM
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-20 12:31:14 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Homes with guns are 12 times more likely to have household members or guests killed or injured by the weapon than by an intruder.


Sorry, you are trotting out tired, fallaciously manipulated and flawed studies.
I call you on it here and now.

Here is a link that goes over these studies with links to the FULL datasets and no altering manipulations so as to tilt the outlay.
 
2013-02-20 12:44:48 PM
Key word ....

Again
 
2013-02-20 12:45:38 PM

gja: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Homes with guns are 12 times more likely to have household members or guests killed or injured by the weapon than by an intruder.

Sorry, you are trotting out tired, fallaciously manipulated and flawed studies.
I call you on it here and now.

Here is a link that goes over these studies with links to the FULL datasets and no altering manipulations so as to tilt the outlay.


Nice link.
Keep up the good work.
 
2013-02-20 01:12:15 PM
article: Eighteen-year-old Aalaya Walker just wanted some waffles. What she didn't know was that her friend Javarski "JJ" Sandy [...]

In these people's defense, it appears that both of them may have been swimming in the shallow end of the gene pool to begin with. Made-up names that sound stupid (at least to others who encounter them) correlates at least substantially with stupidity of parents, and stupidity of parents correlates at least substantially with stupidity of offspring.

It's called signaling, and I'm gradually being persuaded that
1) it should be a required topic in
2) the classes that one should a) be required to take, or perhaps even b) have to pass, before getting
3) the parental-fitness certificate/license that one should be required to get before having children.
 
2013-02-20 02:08:04 PM

Old enough to know better: Yep, and this idiot is why so many of us out here are afraid of gun owners.


Why do you frequently cook in their kitchens?
 
2013-02-20 04:31:29 PM

KrispyKritter: And when you subtract suicides and purposeful homicide it makes a much less brainwashy talking point.

"purposeful homicide" is a new phrase to me. please, what does it mean, and why should they be subtracted from the big statistic? I understand suicides skew the number because they are an on-purpose willing thing. thanks in advance.


I'm guessing the intent was "premeditated homicides", if you plan on killing someone, you will use a different weapon if a firearm isn't available.  Same for intentional suicide... if you're serious enough to put a gun to your head and pull the trigger, you're serious enough to grab a kitchen knife and take a bath, or empty out the medicine cabinet into your milkshake.

In places where firearms were banned, suicide and family homicide rates didn't change, they just shifted to other means.
 
2013-02-21 01:04:04 PM
Had a buddy in the 80s that owned an SAP version of the mac10.  For what ever reason he like to keep it in the oven in his apt.  He told me once he forgot and heated up the oven to cook a frozen pizza.  When opened the door there was his smoking hot mac10.  He told he he just set down the frozen pizza, shut off the oven and went to bar to get drunk assuming he would not want to be arrested sober.  He returned hours later and nothing had happened.

Crazy guy.

Wonder where he is now.
 
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