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2013-02-20 02:46:15 AM
Yeah, but is it any wider than the 17" economy seat you get on Boeing aircraft?
 
2013-02-20 02:54:25 AM
Ya, nicer seating would be great but I'd rather they work on a way to keep the crying kids and annoying assholes away from me.
 
2013-02-20 02:55:59 AM
And make you claustrophobic because you can't see more than five feet in any direction except across your aisle.

Not to mention the weight issue of those lengthy arms, and the safety issue of evacuating an aircraft full of suddenly-opened TVs, half of which cracked passengers on the head, and all of which are preventing an evacuation past a blocked aisle.

Listen up, and listen good. These are a nonsensical pipe dream, and they will *never* happen.
 
2013-02-20 02:57:14 AM
"Compared to a normal economy class, AirGo uses only an additional 16 percent  of floor space.."

But they'll make that up with selling apps and shiat?
Not happening.
 
2013-02-20 02:57:57 AM
Oh, and once I look past the first paragraph, the real showstopper:

"Because the seats do occupy 16 percent more floor space, the airline would have to sell 16 percent fewer seats."

*snort*

*SNORT*

BWAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

What a naive fool it was, that designed this and wrote the article.
 
2013-02-20 02:58:12 AM

Pincy: Ya, nicer seating would be great but I'd rather they work on a way to keep the crying kids and annoying assholes away from me.


There already is a way.
At the front of the plane.
And by front I mean $$$$$$
 
2013-02-20 02:59:08 AM
And they take up 16% more space. Why not just make current seats 16% more roomy?  Oh, that's right, because airlines need to pack as many people as possible into the existing space. This will never happen.
 
2013-02-20 02:59:24 AM
Let me know when we get this and then I'll be impressed:

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-20 03:00:58 AM

bhcompy: Let me know when we get this and then I'll be impressed:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 301x303]


I've actually wondered why they DON'T do that. If I could lay down my entire flight I'd be a happy camper. Much easier to sleep...
 
2013-02-20 03:01:17 AM
Somebody actually thinks the airlines care about passenger comfort? That's cute.
 
2013-02-20 03:01:49 AM
 
2013-02-20 03:02:06 AM

bhcompy: Let me know when we get this and then I'll be impressed:


Fly an Asian airline, like Emirates or Singapore.

Oh wait you may have meant the pods, not the attractive women.
 
2013-02-20 03:05:31 AM

reveal101: bhcompy: Let me know when we get this and then I'll be impressed:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 301x303]

I've actually wondered why they DON'T do that. If I could lay down my entire flight I'd be a happy camper. Much easier to sleep...


I think bhcompy was referring to the uh, accoutrements, not the accommodations...
 
2013-02-20 03:07:43 AM
gweilo8888: Listen up, and listen good. These are a nonsensical pipe dream, and they will *never* happen.

This.
 
2013-02-20 03:07:51 AM

gweilo8888: But hey, thanks for subsidizing my economy ticket. That's a couple less of my nickels nickeled, and my dimes dimed thanks to your naivete.


Married to a stew, so my ticket costs the same as yours.
And babies aren't allowed in Cathay Pacific First Class.
And assholes are outside your private cubicle so you don't really see anybody unless you get up and walk around.
 
2013-02-20 03:09:37 AM
SnarfVader: Somebody actually thinks the airlines care about passenger comfort? That's cute.

Ah Americans.  Always the victims despite the massive consumer surplus they enjoy.  Always willing to extoll the virtues of the free market except when they're acting like whiny little girls.
 
2013-02-20 03:10:42 AM
                                              GAME OVER, MAN !!
i47.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-20 03:15:23 AM
They don't actually look anything at all like Borg regeneration pods. You don't sit down in a Borg regeneration pod, to begin with.
 
2013-02-20 03:19:12 AM

Bomb Head Mohammed: SnarfVader: Somebody actually thinks the airlines care about passenger comfort? That's cute.

Ah Americans.  Always the victims despite the massive consumer surplus they enjoy.  Always willing to extoll the virtues of the free market except when they're acting like whiny little girls.


i212.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-20 03:21:45 AM
I think they should have it so the rows face each other. One row looks to the aft of the plane, one row looks to the forward part of the plane. Bam. Twice as much leg room. Except you'll have to interlock your legs with a stranger. And you can't recline. And you'll have to look at someone right in the face the entire flight.
 
2013-02-20 03:24:37 AM
www.imglols.com
 
2013-02-20 03:28:14 AM

Bomb Head Mohammed: gweilo8888: Listen up, and listen good. These are a nonsensical pipe dream, and they will *never* happen.

This.


I second this this. The chortle released was considerable.

Possible option for a premium economy type seat, but never for cattle class. You want more space, you pay for it.

/....getting a kick...
 
2013-02-20 03:35:46 AM
They take up 16% more floor space. So basically they will never happen in economy seating and won't happen anywhere else without paying at least 33% more than the economy ticket price.
 
2013-02-20 03:38:50 AM
The real people who design your aircraft seats and interiors...

Link
 
2013-02-20 03:41:19 AM

Gig103: bhcompy: Let me know when we get this and then I'll be impressed:

Fly an Asian airline, like Emirates or Singapore.

Oh wait you may have meant the pods, not the attractive women.


Lufthansa is pretty good as well, as long as they don't dupe you and you actually get a United crew/plane.

In that case, god help you.
 
2013-02-20 03:43:04 AM
Reasonable prices are futile.
 
2013-02-20 03:43:57 AM

CmndrFish: as long as they don't dupe you and you actually get a United crew/plane.

In that case, god help you.


Shudder....
Here, grandma..let me help you with that cart.
 
2013-02-20 03:44:31 AM
Because the seats do occupy 16 percent more floor space, the airline would have to sell 16 percent fewer seats.

Having experienced firsthand how ridiculously crowded the airlines are in the corner of the world this kid is from, I'm gonna say no to his genius invention.  You lose.  Good day, sir.  You get nothing.
 
2013-02-20 03:56:13 AM
I have vivid memories of flying from Frankfort, Germany to NYC. via Shannon, via Goose Bay in 1962 aboard a TWA Constellation. The seats were large and plush, plus I got to see the cockpit in action. Something like that wouldn't be allowed today. My next flight experience was in 1985 aboard a Piedmont 737 from Cincinnati to Denver. I realized how much air travel had come to resemble a flying Greyhound bus in the ensuing 23 years.

www.aviationexplorer.com
 
2013-02-20 03:59:22 AM
the airlines are supposed to voluntarily give up 16% of revenue and hope to get it on the back end through selling stuff?
not gonna happen.
what you need is a design that takes up no additional footprint room, but still offers more space for passengers by increasing the pitch for every seat and a leg rest, and an incentive for airline to do it (beyond the mere comfort of their passengers), perhaps by being substantially lighter so they save on gas.
 
2013-02-20 04:06:28 AM
If this can fit in to one of them there fancy pods, I'm all for it
.news.carrentals.co.uk
 
2013-02-20 04:08:15 AM
That's the fantasy, subby. I think the reality will be more like this:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-20 04:17:35 AM

Foxxinnia: I think they should have it so the rows face each other. One row looks to the aft of the plane, one row looks to the forward part of the plane. Bam. Twice as much leg room. Except you'll have to interlock your legs with a stranger. And you can't recline. And you'll have to look at someone right in the face the entire flight.


Well hey, it's like this on trains so you may be on to something.
 
2013-02-20 04:27:08 AM
So by making the seats 16% longer and seat cushions thinner, you'd ended up with more seating space? No shiat..
Someone should give this guy a prize or something.
 
2013-02-20 04:31:36 AM

Pincy: Ya, nicer seating would be great but I'd rather they work on a way to keep the crying kids and annoying assholes away from me.


Best $89 you'll ever spend. And they sound fantastic.
If you're a real audiophile, you can pay about twice as much for the Hf2s, but it's not necessary.  Since I got these, I no longer mind flying.
 
2013-02-20 04:37:57 AM
More like...

jimmydunne.com
 
2013-02-20 04:43:35 AM

bhcompy: Let me know when we get this and then I'll be impressed:

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I farking wish.  But the claustrophobics would never stand for it.
 
2013-02-20 04:51:17 AM

Z-clipped: bhcompy: Let me know when we get this and then I'll be impressed:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 301x303]

I farking wish.  But the claustrophobics would never stand for it.


Luckily they just have to lay down.
 
2013-02-20 04:56:25 AM

Raw_fishFood: Z-clipped: bhcompy: Let me know when we get this and then I'll be impressed:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 301x303]

I farking wish.  But the claustrophobics would never stand for it.

Luckily they just have to lay down.


Yeah, I didn't see what I did there until I saw what I did there.
 
2013-02-20 05:40:17 AM
I always wondered why they didn't install mesh seats - that would give a couple of precious inches right there
 
2013-02-20 05:53:27 AM
...and when the weak-bladdered granny in the window seat needs to go, again, you basically have sex while she climbs over you desperately shoving knees every which way while you writhe in pain...wonderful.  Just wonderful.

/neat looking seat, but only if they come with a built in toilet
 
2013-02-20 05:57:14 AM
They use 16% more space? I'd pay 16 or 20% more. But when I see that business is over 400% more than cattle class, then no way would they only charge 16% more.
 
2013-02-20 06:07:09 AM

0Icky0: Pincy: Ya, nicer seating would be great but I'd rather they work on a way to keep the crying kids and annoying assholes away from me.

There already is a way.
At the front of the plane.
And by front I mean $$$$$$


I've seen parents bring their screaming infant into a first class BA flight, JFK to LHR (1 ticket probably around $10,000). So not even that is a sure thing.
 
2013-02-20 06:14:25 AM

Matthew Keene: I have vivid memories of flying from Frankfort, Germany to NYC. via Shannon, via Goose Bay in 1962 aboard a TWA Constellation. The seats were large and plush, plus I got to see the cockpit in action. Something like that wouldn't be allowed today. My next flight experience was in 1985 aboard a Piedmont 737 from Cincinnati to Denver. I realized how much air travel had come to resemble a flying Greyhound bus in the ensuing 23 years.

[www.aviationexplorer.com image 566x442]


Heh, old fart here, as well.  Never got to fly a Connie, though.

First flight I recall was a puddle jumper into Bangor, ME, and I was practically IN the cockpit.  No door, no nothing.

Giant t-storms over the field, open mic, you can hear the heavies opting to circle and wait.

Not our boy...his turn comes, it's "roger"...and we dive straight in between two gigantic black iron cloud columns crackling with lightning, and make a perfect crosswind landing in the rain.

That's why I got my pilot's license.
 
2013-02-20 06:15:50 AM

0Icky0: "Compared to a normal economy class, AirGo uses only an additional 16 percent  of floor space.."

But they'll make that up with selling apps and shiat?
Not happening.


Unfortunately, I agree.  We'll be stuck with 70's low-bid seat tech for awhile yet.
 
2013-02-20 06:26:11 AM

King Keepo: I always wondered why they didn't install mesh seats - that would give a couple of precious inches right there


Yeah, but at least those few inches give you a little buffer from the kid kicking the back of your seat.
 
2013-02-20 06:35:24 AM

Old enough to know better: More like...

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Came for this...

/Wedge em in like stacked cord wood.
/Get a fat stewardess to jam the door closed.
 
2013-02-20 07:13:33 AM

King Keepo: I always wondered why they didn't install mesh seats - that would give a couple of precious inches right there


Go for a ride on a C-130 Hercules or another Air Force plane with similar seating. You will understand very quickly.
 
2013-02-20 07:36:22 AM
Did anyone else looking at that design notice that it would be impossible to stow or store the tray once the person in front of you have reclined? The tray arms would have to go through the head of space of the reclining person.
 
2013-02-20 07:40:31 AM
Wow. Now I can have a cramped seat and something hanging in front of my face, awesome.
 
2013-02-20 07:42:12 AM
Anyone who says those seats are as comfortable as first class has never flown first class (I mean real first class, not Houston to Omaha first class.
 
2013-02-20 07:47:47 AM

Archie Goodwin: King Keepo: I always wondered why they didn't install mesh seats - that would give a couple of precious inches right there

Go for a ride on a C-130 Hercules or another Air Force plane with similar seating. You will understand very quickly.


I dunno, I never had any issues with mesh seating in transport planes...
 
2013-02-20 07:50:57 AM
I'd pay more if the pods had little blades that came down and chopped off any rat rolls intruding onto my seat. A lot more.
 
2013-02-20 07:57:20 AM

0Icky0: "Compared to a normal economy class, AirGo uses only an additional 16 percent  of floor space.."

But they'll make that up with selling apps and shiat?
Not happening.


If you look at the diagram superimposing the new design over current seat design it is actually 50% more, not 16%...   Article

Plus, if cattle class is better then far fewer people will pay the extra for Business and First.  So yeah, never going to happen.
 
2013-02-20 08:01:55 AM

Archie Goodwin: King Keepo: I always wondered why they didn't install mesh seats - that would give a couple of precious inches right there

Go for a ride on a C-130 Hercules or another Air Force plane with similar seating. You will understand very quickly.



It's not so much the mesh as it is the seating arangement
www.polarwinter.com

And those seats really arn't mesh, they're like a bunch of cargo straps. Fine mesh seating isn't bad at all. I'm currently sitting in a stretchy mess-backed chair that's quite comfortable
 
2013-02-20 08:38:36 AM

Archie Goodwin: King Keepo: I always wondered why they didn't install mesh seats - that would give a couple of precious inches right there

Go for a ride on a C-130 Hercules or another Air Force plane with similar seating. You will understand very quickly.


I had to sit in mesh seats on a long helicopter ride. I thought my ass would fall off. That was very uncomfortable.
 
2013-02-20 08:46:06 AM

bhcompy: Let me know when we get this and then I'll be impressed:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 301x303]


We had it once... but we were told it was evil...

i260.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-20 08:46:13 AM
sorry but because these take up more room than traditiol seats...itll never fly in america.

/if they were concerned about your comfort everything would feel like first class
//but its not
///cause people prefer cheap tickets over a pleasant experience
 
2013-02-20 08:50:21 AM
More likely, they'll adopt the parts of the design that help minimize floorspace -- the mesh instead of padding, maybe an alternative for screen and table mounting -- and apply them to squeeze even more seats into economy. And then they'll shave another 5% off the existing space, because fark you, and by the way fares are going up 10% for our "new comfort seating".
 
2013-02-20 08:56:42 AM
A comfortable economy class is not in the interest of airlines. If economy is too comfortable, less people will pay for business class seats, and that's the profit is made.
 
2013-02-20 08:58:12 AM
More likely that we'll see some sort of blended wing design in the future... this design has space for 500-800 passengers (and no need to worry about sitting with any claustrophobes).

i260.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-20 08:58:41 AM

Old enough to know better: More like...

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media.tumblr.com

"Our chair technology is light years ahead of yours!"
 
2013-02-20 09:05:43 AM
Mesh seat - gets rid of the flotation aid cushion and can't easily be replaced as it is fixed to the frame - not happening

Personal Storage - reduces the size of total storage by adding all the unnecessary walls. - Not going to happen

Higher weight - aforementioned walls and all the additional mechanisms - not going to happen

Larger size - 16% less asses in seats - not going to happen

Upsell apps - hells yeah

Also it looks like he configured everything to fly in a plane with a square cross section, instead of a tube like every plane out there.

Great job kid!
 
2013-02-20 09:10:57 AM

ObeliskToucher: More likely that we'll see some sort of blended wing design in the future... this design has space for 500-800 passengers (and no need to worry about sitting with any claustrophobes).

[i260.photobucket.com image 450x550]


Problem being that they'll take a design for 800 and cram 1600 people into it just to make more profit.

/There is no winning.
 
2013-02-20 09:13:11 AM

Archie Goodwin: King Keepo: I always wondered why they didn't install mesh seats - that would give a couple of precious inches right there

Go for a ride on a C-130 Hercules or another Air Force plane with similar seating. You will understand very quickly.


Mesh like on nice office chairs instead of cargo straps really are an option... would also allow for spraying down with  chemicals, aerosols, etc, unlike current fabric. There'd be space benefits here, without comfort loss if they did it right.

But then there's also the issue of where to put your flotation device required by law, if it isn't your cushion.
 
2013-02-20 09:16:43 AM

Matthew Keene: I have vivid memories of flying from Frankfort, Germany to NYC. via Shannon, via Goose Bay in 1962 aboard a TWA Constellation. The seats were large and plush, plus I got to see the cockpit in action. Something like that wouldn't be allowed today. My next flight experience was in 1985 aboard a Piedmont 737 from Cincinnati to Denver. I realized how much air travel had come to resemble a flying Greyhound bus in the ensuing 23 years.

[www.aviationexplorer.com image 566x442]


You're comparing apples to oranges. I'm guessing that if you paid the equivalent $$$ of your 1962 flight in 1985 you could have had a nice seat up in first class to keep you away from the grotesque Greyhound bus types.
 
2013-02-20 09:28:14 AM

ObeliskToucher: (and no need to worry about sitting with any claustrophobes).


Some of those people would be sitting unacceptably far from a window.  You may have some freakouts.
 
2013-02-20 09:49:26 AM

Archie Goodwin: King Keepo: I always wondered why they didn't install mesh seats - that would give a couple of precious inches right there

Go for a ride on a C-130 Hercules or another Air Force plane with similar seating. You will understand very quickly.


I dunno...  I've sat in a mesh seat for hours and was quite comfortable -
ts1.mm.bing.net
 
2013-02-20 11:07:30 AM
FAA regulations require airline seats to stand up to something crazy, like 8Gs.  That's why you don't see mesh seats or thinner seat frames.  The airlines should lobby to reduce the seat safety standards to make more comfortable seats.  But even if they did, all the room it saved would just be packed with more seats and we'd be in the same situation.

Still think standing room only seats that were on an incline so most of your weight isn't on your feet would be feasible.  Take up less room and be cheaper.
 
2013-02-20 12:08:03 PM

digistil: 0Icky0: Pincy: Ya, nicer seating would be great but I'd rather they work on a way to keep the crying kids and annoying assholes away from me.

There already is a way.
At the front of the plane.
And by front I mean $$$$$$

I've seen parents bring their screaming infant into a first class BA flight, JFK to LHR (1 ticket probably around $10,000). So not even that is a sure thing.


Under 24 months, they usually fly free on your lap. I think they should eliminate that for business and first. If it's another $6000 maybe the parents will reconsider.
 
2013-02-20 12:20:07 PM
came to post the This Island Earth photo..


//leaving beaten...
 
2013-02-20 12:50:21 PM
Clearly the airlines are redesigning travel for an alien invader species. 'Cause this shiat ain't for "people".

Hey! That explains Wal-Mart ....
 
2013-02-20 12:54:57 PM
Doubt mesh backs would work either. As it is now, padded seat backs cushion you from the knees of the person behind you. Or little kids who kick your seat. Imagine how that'd feel if the seats were mesh instead.
 
2013-02-20 01:14:55 PM

EngineerAU: Doubt mesh backs would work either. As it is now, padded seat backs cushion you from the knees of the person behind you. Or little kids who kick your seat. Imagine how that'd feel if the seats were mesh instead.


Easy, have two layers of mesh separated by about an inch and a half.  Make it tight enough that the little bastards can't hit your back.

Or kill them.

/Just kidding
//Mesh is expensive
///Also how can this not have devolved into the typical FARK "You don't have the right to recline your seat thread" yet??
 
2013-02-20 01:35:23 PM
Hell, just strap people onto pallets and slide them into horizontal racks.
 
2013-02-20 02:04:53 PM
farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-02-20 02:42:16 PM
img194.imageshack.us

You know, as long as we're bringing Star Trek technology to travel...
 
2013-02-20 03:02:43 PM
Why am I not surprised Dyson has his name attached to this?  Oh right, cause he has a hard-on for anything that values design over practicality, which enables him to attach a ridiculously high price tag because it looks different.  Plastic, flimsy, and shiatty, but different!
 
2013-02-20 03:47:47 PM

ObeliskToucher: More likely that we'll see some sort of blended wing design in the future... this design has space for 500-800 passengers (and no need to worry about sitting with any claustrophobes).

[i260.photobucket.com image 450x550]


The problem with BWBs are twofold. The main one is evacuation. It's very difficult to evacuate a BWB in an orderly manner within the strict constraints and deadlines required for safety. Also, BWBs would need a radical overhaul of airport infrastructure to accommodate their unique arrangements. And then there's the relatively minor issue that many passengers would hate the idea of sitting in what's essentially a claustrophobia-inducing, nausea-inducing low, wide room with no visual cues to match the motion your body is feeling for 90% of the aircraft's occupants.

Those, together, mean you won't be seeing BWBs in the near future. Decades from now, maybe, but honestly I doubt it. That evac issue is going to be a tough nut to crack.
 
2013-02-20 03:54:06 PM
The reality about flying conditions is that it has gone to the lowest common denominator because the public demanded it.  As long as people scour the internet looking for ways to save $5 on a flight, airlines will scour their process looking for ways to reduce ticket prices by $5.  If you want nice ass planes, then you would have to pay for them.  Most people won't.  You can always charter a jet.
 
2013-02-20 04:23:06 PM

Foxxinnia: I think they should have it so the rows face each other. One row looks to the aft of the plane, one row looks to the forward part of the plane. Bam. Twice as much leg room. Except you'll have to interlock your legs with a stranger. And you can't recline. And you'll have to look at someone right in the face the entire flight.


I was flown to Europe on a company Gulfstream once; some of the seats were set up like this. You always think 'oh, private jet, swank!' but I had to cock my (fairly long) legs around uncomfortably to avoid kicking the guy sitting across from me in the bits for eight hours.

The food was crap too, and they didn't have any booze aboard. Fairly cool to fly private like that, but damn, at least beer me...
 
2013-02-20 07:26:01 PM
It still doesn't solve the problem of being able to stand up with some guys farking head in my lap.
 
2013-02-20 07:35:55 PM
The obvious answer is to put these in first class, so they put more people in the same space in first class.
 
2013-02-21 07:35:50 AM
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