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2013-02-19 08:28:50 PM  
Tustin isn't Los Angeles.  I know it all looks the same from over there, but Tustin is about six cities south of L.A., an hour away depending on traffic.  It's about as close as Rancho Cucamonga.  They're in different counties ferfuxake.
 
2013-02-19 08:50:28 PM  
RESET THE CLOCK!!!!
 
2013-02-19 08:52:43 PM  
It's Zombie Dorner.  He's back.
 
2013-02-19 08:52:48 PM  

timujin: Tustin isn't Los Angeles.  I know it all looks the same from over there, but Tustin is about six cities south of L.A., an hour away depending on traffic.  It's about as close as Rancho Cucamonga.  They're in different counties ferfuxake.


You have to understand -- for most of us, everything south of Santa Barbara, north of San Diego, and west of San Bernadino is "L.A."
 
2013-02-19 08:52:50 PM  
Tustin's a tad southeast of Anaheim and we figure Anaheim as part of Los Angeles.
 
2013-02-19 08:53:15 PM  

timujin: Tustin isn't Los Angeles.  I know it all looks the same from over there, but Tustin is about six cities south of L.A., an hour away depending on traffic.  It's about as close as Rancho Cucamonga.  They're in different counties ferfuxake.


It really cracks me up how the press reports on suburbs (or in this case, non-suburbs) of major metropolises. When San Diego had two school shootings in two weeks, the national news talked about the schools being NEAR San Diego. They're like a 15 minute drive down the freeway from downtown San Diego. But Tustin is in the heart of LA. *chuckles*
 
2013-02-19 08:53:32 PM  
Let's blame video games and try to repeal Obamacare again.
 
2013-02-19 08:54:11 PM  

timujin: Tustin isn't Los Angeles.  I know it all looks the same from over there, but Tustin is about six cities south of L.A., an hour away depending on traffic.  It's about as close as Rancho Cucamonga.  They're in different counties ferfuxake.


I used to live in Rancho Cucamonga, so I'm getting a kick...

Yeah, *technically* that's true, but let's face it - it's one massive, sprawling, seemingly-endless city.  When you're landing at LAX, even without circling, you're 45 minutes out when you first start coming into a city area, and it never ceases to be city the entire way...

and Subby didn't say "in Los Angeles"... he said "in the Los Angeles area"...
 
2013-02-19 08:56:24 PM  
I see things in LA are back to "business as usual"

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2013-02-19 08:57:27 PM  

timujin: I know it all looks the same from over there, but Tustin is about six cities south of L.A., an hour away depending on traffic.


With my luck in LA traffic, that would be about 6 hours.
 
2013-02-19 08:58:52 PM  
Your title reminded me of the song, "I Don't Like Mondays."
 
2013-02-19 08:59:05 PM  

flaminio: timujin: Tustin isn't Los Angeles.  I know it all looks the same from over there, but Tustin is about six cities south of L.A., an hour away depending on traffic.  It's about as close as Rancho Cucamonga.  They're in different counties ferfuxake.

You have to understand -- for most of us, everything south of Santa Barbara, north of San Diego, and west of San Bernadino is "L.A."


THIS.

/lives in LA
 
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2013-02-19 08:59:45 PM  
I love misunderstood song lyrics!!!@#!@#$!
 
2013-02-19 08:59:50 PM  

flaminio: timujin: Tustin isn't Los Angeles.  I know it all looks the same from over there, but Tustin is about six cities south of L.A., an hour away depending on traffic.  It's about as close as Rancho Cucamonga.  They're in different counties ferfuxake.

You have to understand -- for most of us, everything south of Santa Barbara, north of San Diego, and west of San Bernadino is "L.A."



You have to understand -- for most of us, everything in Southern California is LA.
 
2013-02-19 09:00:24 PM  

reillan: I used to live in Rancho Cucamonga, so I'm getting a kick...

Yeah, *technically* that's true, but let's face it - it's one massive, sprawling, seemingly-endless city.  When you're landing at LAX, even without circling, you're 45 minutes out when you first start coming into a city area, and it never ceases to be city the entire way...

and Subby didn't say "in Los Angeles"... he said "in the Los Angeles area"...


I can remember my grandfather driving me from our house in L.A. to his house in Crestline, near Lake Arrowhead.  And I remember passing the wide, empty spaces...the little towns separated by chaparral, the foothills, the vineyards of Rancho Cucamonga, and the flat, shiatty spans of Fontana and Rialto, and him saying to me, "Someday, L.A. will connect with San Bernardino and it will be just one continuous suburb the whole way."  And I was like "Sure it will, old timer.  Take another plug off that Early Times and talk some more crazy."
 
2013-02-19 09:00:59 PM  
Oh yeah guys, I mean, it's not like guns derp herped derp.
 
2013-02-19 09:03:05 PM  

whatisaidwas: flaminio: timujin: Tustin isn't Los Angeles.  I know it all looks the same from over there, but Tustin is about six cities south of L.A., an hour away depending on traffic.  It's about as close as Rancho Cucamonga.  They're in different counties ferfuxake.

You have to understand -- for most of us, everything south of Santa Barbara, north of San Diego, and west of San Bernadino is "L.A."

THIS.

/lives in LA


But wasn't someone complaining the other day that some Hollywood bigwig was holding a fundraiser for LA mayor in Beverly Hills and how horrible it was that it "wasn't in Los Angeles"?? Make up your damn minds!
 
2013-02-19 09:08:08 PM  
BAN LA ASSAULT FREEWAYS!
 
2013-02-19 09:09:01 PM  

flaminio: timujin: Tustin isn't Los Angeles.  I know it all looks the same from over there, but Tustin is about six cities south of L.A., an hour away depending on traffic.  It's about as close as Rancho Cucamonga.  They're in different counties ferfuxake.

You have to understand -- for most of us, everything south of Santa Barbara, north of San Diego, and west of San Bernadino is "L.A."


I call that socal, makes it easier to be geographically ignorant of the 1+ billion* cities that are down that way.

*could be wrong on that figure
 
2013-02-19 09:09:16 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: You have to understand -- for most of us, everything in Southern California is LA.


Because most people who know where LA is, haven't heard of San Diego?   You sure about that?
 
2013-02-19 09:10:02 PM  
Islamist manifesto found, and suppressed by the MSM, in 3...2...1....
 
2013-02-19 09:11:08 PM  
I just read the transcript of a Freakonomics podcast yesterday, and the analytical Steve remarked that given the rate of gun ownership, the relative ease in obtaining one in this country, and how many crazy people are out there, he's constantly surprised by how INfrequent mass shootings are.  I guess today was a non-surprising day if you just look at the data.

Not to say (and neither does he) that the data doesn't paint a sad picture.  It is pretty bad when the most you can hope for is that his victims didn't suffer for long.
 
2013-02-19 09:12:02 PM  

Gosling: Tustin's a tad southeast of Anaheim and we figure Anaheim as part of Los Angeles.


Looks like Arte Moreno outed himself.
 
2013-02-19 09:12:02 PM  
Look I'm not saying guns aren't capable of killing but it sure looks like if I want someone dead guns are the way to go.

Either that or have a 90 year old Alzheimer's patient with dyslexia attempt to read War & Peace in it's entirety while you're strapped in a chair.
 
2013-02-19 09:12:24 PM  

CalamitousCrasher: flaminio: timujin: Tustin isn't Los Angeles.  I know it all looks the same from over there, but Tustin is about six cities south of L.A., an hour away depending on traffic.  It's about as close as Rancho Cucamonga.  They're in different counties ferfuxake.

You have to understand -- for most of us, everything south of Santa Barbara, north of San Diego, and west of San Bernadino is "L.A."

I call that socal, makes it easier to be geographically ignorant of the 1+ billion* cities that are down that way.

*could be wrong on that figure


Not by much.
 
2013-02-19 09:13:15 PM  
Bath tubs are to blame here.
 
2013-02-19 09:15:02 PM  

reillan: Yeah, *technically* that's true, but let's face it - it's one massive, sprawling, seemingly-endless city. When you're landing at LAX, even without circling, you're 45 minutes out when you first start coming into a city area, and it never ceases to be city the entire way...


This is the big sticking point right here. For a lot of us, the point where a city stops is the point where the city actually stops. The point at which there are no more buildings and you're driving through farmland or desert or whatever indicates there is no city there. Until you get to that point, you're still in the city.

For instance, punch in 34 degrees, 04'28'' N, 117 degrees, 04'08'' W on Google Earth. You'll be placed on California 38, heading eastbound out of Mentone. That's where LA stops.
 
2013-02-19 09:15:18 PM  
Tustin isn't Los Angeles.  I know it all looks the same from over there, but Tustin is about six cities south of L.A., an hour away depending on traffic.  It's about as close as Rancho Cucamonga.  They're in different counties ferfuxake.

If it's south california, it's L.A.
 
2013-02-19 09:15:34 PM  
I was gonna go with:

Knock! Knock!
Who's there?
Orange.
Orange who?
Orange you glad you don't live in Orange County?

/yeah. lame, I know
//but you smiled. I saw it
 
2013-02-19 09:17:52 PM  
Callin it that the news will claim he used an ar15 in the update.
 
2013-02-19 09:18:01 PM  
I blame Biden. I saw a video of him today saying "Buy a shotgun, not an AR-15." Then some jerk goes out and kiss four people with a shotgun. :-/
 
2013-02-19 09:18:31 PM  

IamAwake: Ow! That was my feelings!: You have to understand -- for most of us, everything in Southern California is LA.

Because most people who know where LA is, haven't heard of San Diego?   You sure about that?



pretty much. Besides San Diegoans pretending they are not in SoCal, it isn't much different than LA.  Now, if you want to point out the differences from NoCal, well, now you're talking legitimate differences...
 
2013-02-19 09:18:36 PM  

Government Fromage: I blame Biden. I saw a video of him today saying "Buy a shotgun, not an AR-15." Then some jerk goes out and kiss four people with a shotgun. :-/


kills
 
2013-02-19 09:19:35 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: IamAwake: Ow! That was my feelings!: You have to understand -- for most of us, everything in Southern California is LA.

Because most people who know where LA is, haven't heard of San Diego?   You sure about that?


pretty much. Besides San Diegoans pretending they are not in SoCal, it isn't much different than LA.  Now, if you want to point out the differences from NoCal, well, now you're talking legitimate differences...


Im an hour from the oregon border. Sf isnt nor cal.
 
2013-02-19 09:23:32 PM  

harrydorcas: Your title reminded me of the song, "I Don't Like Mondays."


What, the silicone chip inside your head get switched to overload?
 
2013-02-19 09:26:12 PM  

eyeq360: It's Zombie Dorner.  He's back.


Nah, it's just one of the thousands who received delivery of a Dorner mask and cape at their door this morning.
 
2013-02-19 09:26:14 PM  

Government Fromage: I blame Biden. I saw a video of him today saying "Buy a shotgun, not an AR-15." Then some jerk goes out and kills four people with a shotgun. :-/


Root of the complaint should be that Joe Biden cares more about what gun you use than the fact there are maniacs who want to kill people.

/That said: crime should be a problem for the state to solve rather than the federal government.
 
2013-02-19 09:26:57 PM  

Government Fromage: I blame Biden. I saw a video of him today saying "Buy a shotgun, not an AR-15." Then some jerk goes out and kiss four people with a shotgun. :-/


Ain't that some unfortunate timing!  This shooter must have been very disciplined about re-loading constantly... why do they always have to use this efficiency for evil?

imthefonze: Im an hour from the oregon border. Sf isnt nor cal.


Are you in the part of CA that considered becoming its own state?  I saw a special or maybe an episode of This American Life about that.
 
2013-02-19 09:28:34 PM  
TFA  had me at unemployed part-time student
 
2013-02-19 09:31:03 PM  

reillan: timujin: Tustin isn't Los Angeles.  I know it all looks the same from over there, but Tustin is about six cities south of L.A., an hour away depending on traffic.  It's about as close as Rancho Cucamonga.  They're in different counties ferfuxake.

I used to live in Rancho Cucamonga, so I'm getting a kick...

Yeah, *technically* that's true, but let's face it - it's one massive, sprawling, seemingly-endless city.  When you're landing at LAX, even without circling, you're 45 minutes out when you first start coming into a city area, and it never ceases to be city the entire way...

and Subby didn't say "in Los Angeles"... he said "in the Los Angeles area"...


In Boston it takes longer to get from the gate to your car than it takes to get from the airport to downtown.

/doesn't say much about the airport
//or how close the airport is
 
2013-02-19 09:31:51 PM  
SInce we're discussing California geography and naming, can I be the one to point out San Francisco and San Jose aren't in Northern California, they're in Central California.

/Grew up in Northern California
//Hates the way everyone ignores everything north of Berkley.
 
2013-02-19 09:32:58 PM  

factoryconnection: Government Fromage: I blame Biden. I saw a video of him today saying "Buy a shotgun, not an AR-15." Then some jerk goes out and kiss four people with a shotgun. :-/

Ain't that some unfortunate timing!  This shooter must have been very disciplined about re-loading constantly... why do they always have to use this efficiency for evil?

imthefonze: Im an hour from the oregon border. Sf isnt nor cal.

Are you in the part of CA that considered becoming its own state?  I saw a special or maybe an episode of This American Life about that.


I think so, didnt pay too much attention to it. No way in hell itd ever happen. That was when all the pot growers were in an uproar,right?
 
2013-02-19 09:33:40 PM  

ShawnDoc: SInce we're discussing California geography and naming, can I be the one to point out San Francisco and San Jose aren't in Northern California, they're in Central California.

/Grew up in Northern California
//Hates the way everyone ignores everything north of Berkley.


Agreed
 
2013-02-19 09:36:00 PM  

ShawnDoc: SInce we're discussing California geography and naming, can I be the one to point out San Francisco and San Jose aren't in Northern California, they're in Central California.

/Grew up in Northern California
//Hates the way everyone ignores everything north of Berkley.


Really?
 
2013-02-19 09:40:41 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: ShawnDoc: SInce we're discussing California geography and naming, can I be the one to point out San Francisco and San Jose aren't in Northern California, they're in Central California.

/Grew up in Northern California
//Hates the way everyone ignores everything north of Berkley.

Really?


San fran is pretty darn in the middle, not really northern in my opinion. Geographys very different too. I just call the bay area central. Your in norcal when you are in the mountains.
 
2013-02-19 09:43:14 PM  
Hell, I hate to see what the usual month for this crap, April, has in store for us.
 
2013-02-19 09:46:16 PM  

imthefonze: Mitch Taylor's Bro: ShawnDoc: SInce we're discussing California geography and naming, can I be the one to point out San Francisco and San Jose aren't in Northern California, they're in Central California.

/Grew up in Northern California
//Hates the way everyone ignores everything north of Berkley.

Really?

San fran is pretty darn in the middle, not really northern in my opinion. Geographys very different too. I just call the bay area central. Your in norcal when you are in the mountains.


Oh yeah, politically and emotionally (mentally?) No Cal starts north of the Bay. I'd say even out of Marin. You need to be in Humboldt before you're in Northern California, at least.
 
2013-02-19 09:46:43 PM  

basemetal: Hell, I hate to see what the usual month for this crap, April, has in store for us.


Itll look like detroit.
 
2013-02-19 09:47:53 PM  
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2013-02-19 09:49:38 PM  

Gosling: Tustin's a tad southeast of Anaheim and we figure Anaheim as part of Los Angeles.


"We" do?  I don't, as a matter of fact, I am often amused when people from elsewhere hear I'm from L.A. and they say, "Oh, I've been there, my family went to Disneyland."  Anaheim is an entire world away from L.A.

Mitch Taylor's Bro: ShawnDoc: SInce we're discussing California geography and naming, can I be the one to point out San Francisco and San Jose aren't in Northern California, they're in Central California.

/Grew up in Northern California
//Hates the way everyone ignores everything north of Berkley.

Really?


He's right, ShawnDoc, San Francisco is the most southerly point in northern California, geographically speaking.  Personally, though, I'd extend "central California" down to everything north of Santa Barbara.


reillan: and Subby didn't say "in Los Angeles"... he said "in the Los Angeles area"...


and I'm only saying that is a generous usage of area, as that opens up a lot of territory in four different counties to be "in the Los Angeles area".

/quite surprised, though, that the entire thread has become a discussion on geography... maybe folks are tired of talking about gun control and mental instability and the like.
 
2013-02-19 09:51:02 PM  
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2013-02-19 09:54:21 PM  

timujin: Gosling: Tustin's a tad southeast of Anaheim and we figure Anaheim as part of Los Angeles.

"We" do?  I don't, as a matter of fact, I am often amused when people from elsewhere hear I'm from L.A. and they say, "Oh, I've been there, my family went to Disneyland."  Anaheim is an entire world away from L.A.

Mitch Taylor's Bro: ShawnDoc: SInce we're discussing California geography and naming, can I be the one to point out San Francisco and San Jose aren't in Northern California, they're in Central California.

/Grew up in Northern California
//Hates the way everyone ignores everything north of Berkley.

Really?

He's right, ShawnDoc, San Francisco is the most southerly point in northern California, geographically speaking.  Personally, though, I'd extend "central California" down to everything north of Santa Barbara.


reillan: and Subby didn't say "in Los Angeles"... he said "in the Los Angeles area"...

and I'm only saying that is a generous usage of area, as that opens up a lot of territory in four different counties to be "in the Los Angeles area".

/quite surprised, though, that the entire thread has become a discussion on geography... maybe folks are tired of talking about gun control and mental instability and the like.


Well it honestly is just the same discussion over and over. Plus this geography thing is super serious business.i hate it when people think im from san fransisco.
 
2013-02-19 10:02:09 PM  

Gosling: we figure Anaheim as part of Los Angeles


Disneyland might not believe you
 
2013-02-19 10:05:55 PM  
imthefonze:
Well it honestly is just the same discussion over and over. Plus this geography thing is super serious business.i hate it when people think im from san fransisco.

Why? Are you from Sanho Zay?

NorCal doesn't start *at* the mountains. If it did, it would start in LA proper. LA does have mountain ranges in the city limits, you know.

/native Angeleno
 
2013-02-19 10:07:58 PM  
Just a well regulated militia member. Nothing to see here.
 
2013-02-19 10:16:53 PM  
Military style assault shotgun no doubt
 
2013-02-19 10:17:04 PM  

Khazar-Khum: imthefonze:
Well it honestly is just the same discussion over and over. Plus this geography thing is super serious business.i hate it when people think im from san fransisco.

Why? Are you from Sanho Zay?

NorCal doesn't start *at* the mountains. If it did, it would start in LA proper. LA does have mountain ranges in the city limits, you know.

/native Angeleno


Nah im in arcata.
 
2013-02-19 10:18:46 PM  
www.irononsticker.com

In Los Angeles and Orange County at the same time!
 
2013-02-19 10:20:27 PM  
flaminio:
You have to understand -- for most of us, everything south of Santa Barbara, north of San Diego, and west of San Bernadino is "L.A."

Kinda like how the media sometimes refers to any shooting within like a quarter mile of a school as a school shooting.  Or how they refer to any assault rifle as an "AK-47". Lots more examples.  Just a way to get the attention of viewers, I guess. "Los Angeles" sparks more attention than "Tustin".

/threadjack over. sorry bout that.
 
2013-02-19 10:26:19 PM  

timujin: /quite surprised, though, that the entire thread has become a discussion on geography... maybe folks are tired of talking about gun control and mental instability and the like.


This. What a sad state of affairs.
 
2013-02-19 10:35:10 PM  
I'm bemused that the bulk of this thread has focused California's geography...
 
2013-02-19 10:49:00 PM  
Tuesday's coming -- did you bring your body armor?
 
2013-02-19 11:00:21 PM  

avratt: Tustin isn't Los Angeles.  I know it all looks the same from over there, but Tustin is about six cities south of L.A., an hour away depending on traffic.  It's about as close as Rancho Cucamonga.  They're in different counties ferfuxake.

If it's south california, it's L.A.


This is a quasi argument I often have with the person I live with. He's always teasing me by saying that everything is SoCal is LA. I, having grown up in Laguna Niguel, have stricter boundaries. I pretty much consider everything North of Anaheim to be LA and everything south of San Onofree to be SD; really starting at Oceanside with that big section of Pendalton being no man's land. Anyways, I'm sad to report that the belief that everything South of Malibu that isn't San Diego is considered LA and it irks me =/
 
2013-02-19 11:01:02 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: timujin: /quite surprised, though, that the entire thread has become a discussion on geography... maybe folks are tired of talking about gun control and mental instability and the like.

This. What a sad state of affairs.


www.majhost.com
 
2013-02-19 11:02:27 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: avratt: Tustin isn't Los Angeles.  I know it all looks the same from over there, but Tustin is about six cities south of L.A., an hour away depending on traffic.  It's about as close as Rancho Cucamonga.  They're in different counties ferfuxake.

If it's south california, it's L.A.

This is a quasi argument I often have with the person I live with. He's always teasing me by saying that everything is SoCal is LA. I, having grown up in Laguna Niguel, have stricter boundaries. I pretty much consider everything North of Anaheim to be LA and everything south of San Onofree to be SD; really starting at Oceanside with that big section of Pendalton being no man's land. Anyways, I'm sad to report that the belief that everything South of Malibu that isn't San Diego is considered LA and it irks me =/


Orange County is an entirely different place than Los Angeles (city or county) not only geographically, obviously, but culturally.
 
2013-02-19 11:02:53 PM  
Douchebag is from Ladera Ranch...think of it as an overpriced (even by So-Cal standards) enclave of Orange County (Republican heaven) full of douchebags with USC stickers on their BMW/Audi/Porsche/Benz and housewives that hire housekeepers to clean so they can go to cross-fit.

fark this guy...farkin' douche.
 
2013-02-19 11:04:16 PM  

imthefonze: factoryconnection: Government Fromage: I blame Biden. I saw a video of him today saying "Buy a shotgun, not an AR-15." Then some jerk goes out and kiss four people with a shotgun. :-/

Ain't that some unfortunate timing!  This shooter must have been very disciplined about re-loading constantly... why do they always have to use this efficiency for evil?

imthefonze: Im an hour from the oregon border. Sf isnt nor cal.

Are you in the part of CA that considered becoming its own state?  I saw a special or maybe an episode of This American Life about that.

I think so, didnt pay too much attention to it. No way in hell itd ever happen. That was when all the pot growers were in an uproar,right?


Naw, the show was talking about Weed. Not Arcata, which is the capital of weed.
California is a confusing place if you haven't lived here. And often, even if you have.
 
2013-02-19 11:12:26 PM  
I've always wondered why people who obviously want personal freedoms; but only the ones that they personally like.
 
2013-02-19 11:19:43 PM  

ShawnDoc: SInce we're discussing California geography and naming, can I be the one to point out San Francisco and San Jose aren't in Northern California, they're in Central California.

/Grew up in Northern California
//Hates the way everyone ignores everything north of Berkley.



I actually live in the Central Coast of CA, and at least for us the central coast is Santa Barbara County through Monterey county.  SJ and SF are northern CA, because in truth there is really no population centers north of the bay area.  Just a lot of water and weed up there.

"Central California" is considered the Fresno and Bakersfield areas.
 
2013-02-19 11:21:00 PM  

iheartscotch: I've always wondered why people who obviously want personal freedoms; but only the ones that they personally like.


Not all of us. I've often cried for those who grow pot to go free but never for those who grow cilantro to be road hauled all the way jail with their own tractors.

They have a right to grow the Devil's Butt Soap just like hippies should be allowed to grow pot and my herb garden should be able to have certain things in it as well.

The price of freedom is EVERYONE is free. That's the world I want to see.
 
2013-02-19 11:24:02 PM  

saturn badger: I was gonna go with:

Knock! Knock!
Who's there?
Orange.
Orange who?
Orange you glad you don't live in Orange County?

/yeah. lame, I know
//but you smiled. I saw it


I'm happy as a clam at high tide thjat I live in OC and not LA. Even (or especially) when we were homeless it is a MUCH better environment. Lower taxes, saner city governments (with some exceptions) lots of ethnic diversity and food (Soul, German, Cambodian, Vietnamese, Chinese, Thai, Korean, Mexican, El Salvadorean, Guatemalan, Laotian, French, American South, etc.), and the smog is less and the weather more temperate. Also less crazy people.
 
2013-02-19 11:36:32 PM  

doglover: The price of freedom is EVERYONE is free. That's the world I want to see.


But they're only free to do things you deem good, or harmless?

The problem with everyone being free is that also means people are free to punch you in the face and take your stuff, or anything else they might want to do. I'm sure they rationalize it to themselves as justified, even if you may not agree. It invariably turns into a subjective ethical or moral debate, and you have to decide what people can and can't do in order to maintain some semblance of order, and we're right back where we started.
 
2013-02-19 11:37:54 PM  
The first girl he killed was shot several times at close range with a shotgun (which are not semiautomatic, btw) and she was almost cut in half.
 
2013-02-19 11:39:34 PM  

timujin: Tustin isn't Los Angeles.  I know it all looks the same from over there, but Tustin is about six cities south of L.A., an hour away depending on traffic.  It's about as close as Rancho Cucamonga.  They're in different counties ferfuxake.


6? It's about 5 to LA County alone, and I get the feeling that people who live in Long Beach are going to hate being called "Los Angeles" about as much as those of us behind the Orange Curtain.

/Grew up in Fountain Valley
//Still has a 714 area code cell phone.
///Hell, I'm sure there are people in OC that can't find FV on a map.
 
2013-02-19 11:39:49 PM  
Another mass shooting and only 70 comments so far.  People wonder how the Nazis and Pol Pot got away with what they did for as long as they did.  Once we stop being outraged by little crimes and injustices, it's a very fast trip down hill to where every atrocity and perversity is considered no big deal.

Welcome to hell, America.
 
2013-02-19 11:43:19 PM  
I'm just amazed that Rancho Couca... Cooka ..Cuuka.. whatever is a real place.
 
2013-02-19 11:45:41 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: The first girl he killed was shot several times at close range with a shotgun (which are not semiautomatic, btw) and she was almost cut in half.


I hope your kidding about the "not semi automatic" part.
 
2013-02-19 11:47:57 PM  

cantsleep: I'm just amazed that Rancho Couca... Cooka ..Cuuka.. whatever is a real place.


It's in San Bernardino County, next to Fontucky.
 
2013-02-19 11:54:36 PM  

big_hed: because in truth there is really no population centers north of the bay area


Sacramento?
 
2013-02-19 11:56:24 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: The first girl he killed was shot several times at close range with a shotgun (which are not semiautomatic, btw) and she was almost cut in half.


what was he using an over under?
 
2013-02-19 11:58:32 PM  
Came for gun debate, got urban geography symposium. Leaving bemused.
 
2013-02-19 11:59:01 PM  
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2013-02-19 11:59:37 PM  

Gyrfalcon: whatisaidwas: flaminio: timujin: Tustin isn't Los Angeles.  I know it all looks the same from over there, but Tustin is about six cities south of L.A., an hour away depending on traffic.  It's about as close as Rancho Cucamonga.  They're in different counties ferfuxake.

You have to understand -- for most of us, everything south of Santa Barbara, north of San Diego, and west of San Bernadino is "L.A."

THIS.

/lives in LA

But wasn't someone complaining the other day that some Hollywood bigwig was holding a fundraiser for LA mayor in Beverly Hills and how horrible it was that it "wasn't in Los Angeles"?? Make up your damn minds!



I used to live in the San Bernardino Mountains. The people up there consider San Bernardino part of Los Angeles and the whole damn thing 'Flatland'. It might as well had been another whole country.
 
2013-02-20 12:16:31 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: I live in OC and not LA.... Lower taxes, saner city governments


History quiz: which county had to declare bankruptcy 20 years ago?
 
2013-02-20 12:19:40 AM  

Fissile: Another mass shooting and only 70 comments so far.  People wonder how the Nazis and Pol Pot got away with what they did for as long as they did.  Once we stop being outraged by little crimes and injustices, it's a very fast trip down hill to where every atrocity and perversity is considered no big deal.

Welcome to hell, America.


It's been a hell of a couple of months... and this thread started after work hours, most people aren't so sad and lonely that they have nothing better to do at night than watch for news stories to hit Fark.
 
2013-02-20 12:25:38 AM  

cantsleep: STRYPERSWINE: The first girl he killed was shot several times at close range with a shotgun (which are not semiautomatic, btw) and she was almost cut in half.

I hope your kidding about the "not semi automatic" part.


A pump shotgun isn't a semi-automatic weapon.  There are semi-auto shotguns, but I doubt he was using one.
 
2013-02-20 12:28:36 AM  
At least he wasn't shouting, Allah Akbar, as he gunned down innocent people.
 
2013-02-20 12:47:56 AM  
oceanworld.tamu.edu

L.A. stinks
 
2013-02-20 12:55:24 AM  

SubBass49: Douchebag is from Ladera Ranch...think of it as an overpriced (even by So-Cal standards) enclave of Orange County (Republican heaven) full of douchebags with USC stickers on their BMW/Audi/Porsche/Benz and housewives that hire housekeepers to clean so they can go to cross-fit.

fark this guy...farkin' douche.


Seriously, your description of Ladera Ranch is spot on, except the USC blowhards took over Balboa Island long ago. Ladera is more for the lower upper class who can afford a million dollar home, but can't afford the ten million dollar home behind the fences in Coto De Caza and Dove Canyon.

/Irvine
//The shiatty part of it
 
2013-02-20 01:22:26 AM  

timujin: Uchiha_Cycliste: avratt: Tustin isn't Los Angeles.  I know it all looks the same from over there, but Tustin is about six cities south of L.A., an hour away depending on traffic.  It's about as close as Rancho Cucamonga.  They're in different counties ferfuxake.

If it's south california, it's L.A.

This is a quasi argument I often have with the person I live with. He's always teasing me by saying that everything is SoCal is LA. I, having grown up in Laguna Niguel, have stricter boundaries. I pretty much consider everything North of Anaheim to be LA and everything south of San Onofree to be SD; really starting at Oceanside with that big section of Pendalton being no man's land. Anyways, I'm sad to report that the belief that everything South of Malibu that isn't San Diego is considered LA and it irks me =/

Orange County is an entirely different place than Los Angeles (city or county) not only geographically, obviously, but culturally.


Oh I totally know that (although an argument could me made for Santa Ana) but it seems that everyone who has not  lived in LA or Orange County,views So Cal as LA and San Diego. some folks make the mistake intentionally to get on other's nerves; but the vast majority are just ignorant to the existence of Orange County and it's boundaries. It's like they think it's some made up place that Hollywood has thrust upon us.
 
2013-02-20 01:39:21 AM  
wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net
/what this thread sounds like
 
2013-02-20 01:57:18 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: [wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net image 630x420]
/what this thread sounds like


No way man! There's not a single instance of "Dude" in this thread prior to this post.
There should be a dude in like every fifth word for that picture to be accurate.
 
2013-02-20 03:01:23 AM  

flaminio: timujin: Tustin isn't Los Angeles.  I know it all looks the same from over there, but Tustin is about six cities south of L.A., an hour away depending on traffic.  It's about as close as Rancho Cucamonga.  They're in different counties ferfuxake.

You have to understand -- for most of us, everything south of Santa Barbara, north of San Diego, and west of San Bernadino is "L.A."


Given the growth of San Diego northward and San Clemente southward, meeting at Camp Pendleton, it might be in our lifetime that we get a continuous city from Santa Barbara to Tijuana.  Heck, looking at Google Maps, it looks like Camp Pendleton is the only thing in the way of that already being the case...
 
2013-02-20 04:00:57 AM  

Fissile: Another mass shooting and only 70 comments so far.  People wonder how the Nazis and Pol Pot got away with what they did for as long as they did.  Once we stop being outraged by little crimes and injustices, it's a very fast trip down hill to where every atrocity and perversity is considered no big deal.

Welcome to hell, America.


It's Stand Yer Ground/2nd Amendment Remedy fatigue.
 
2013-02-20 04:50:36 AM  
That's some mighty fine pension reform there, Lou.
 
2013-02-20 04:59:29 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: doglover: The price of freedom is EVERYONE is free. That's the world I want to see.

But they're only free to do things you deem good, or harmless?

The problem with everyone being free is that also means people are free to punch you in the face and take your stuff, or anything else they might want to do. I'm sure they rationalize it to themselves as justified, even if you may not agree. It invariably turns into a subjective ethical or moral debate, and you have to decide what people can and can't do in order to maintain some semblance of order, and we're right back where we started.


Oh come on, nobody's arguing that people should be free to punch you in the face or take your stuff. That's not freedom, it's anarchy. A free society is one where people can do whatever they want, as long as it doesn't harm somebody else.
 
2013-02-20 05:01:43 AM  

Fissile: Another mass shooting and only 70 comments so far.  People wonder how the Nazis and Pol Pot got away with what they did for as long as they did.  Once we stop being outraged by little crimes and injustices, it's a very fast trip down hill to where every atrocity and perversity is considered no big deal.

Welcome to hell, America.


A lot of people refuse to be outraged, because it's "just another isolated incident" that the media is hyping. Like it didn't really happen, and the media is just making it all up or something.
 
2013-02-20 08:36:56 AM  
I blame California's extremely lax gun laws.  They are as bad as Illinois, where, if I recall, they have a Vermont style conceal carry laws.
 
2013-02-20 09:08:26 AM  

ImpendingCynic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: I live in OC and not LA.... Lower taxes, saner city governments

History quiz: which county had to declare bankruptcy 20 years ago?


Orange COUNTY declared BK. The CITIES seem to be doing fine.

City =/ County

Oh, wait, you were so anxious to get in a shot that that didn't occur to you.....

LOL!
 
2013-02-20 09:14:26 AM  

SubBass49: Douchebag is from Ladera Ranch...think of it as an overpriced (even by So-Cal standards) enclave of Orange County (Republican heaven) full of douchebags with USC stickers on their BMW/Audi/Porsche/Benz and housewives that hire housekeepers to clean so they can go to cross-fit.

fark this guy...farkin' douche.


Loretta Sanchez would like a word with you.

Actually, she's more likely to biatch-slap you.

You're stereotyped thinking on OC is about 40 years out of date, son.
 
2013-02-20 09:30:09 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: doglover: The price of freedom is EVERYONE is free. That's the world I want to see.

But they're only free to do things you deem good, or harmless?

The problem with everyone being free is that also means people are free to punch you in the face and take your stuff, or anything else they might want to do. I'm sure they rationalize it to themselves as justified, even if you may not agree. It invariably turns into a subjective ethical or moral debate, and you have to decide what people can and can't do in order to maintain some semblance of order, and we're right back where we started.


Limits concept and context. You lack them. By its very nature, "Freedom" is a self-limiting concept. The best expression of it is that "my right to swing my fist ends where your nose begins." There is nothing contradictory about that statement. It is consistent, it is limited in scope, and the context is clear, concise and objective. There is zero moral/ethical content that is subjective.

The concept you are thinking of, above, is the chaos of dog-eat-dog survivalism. "...free to punch you in the face and take your stuff,..."  That is actually more descriptive of a socialist/fascist state (such as our own) where the interest group(s) able to temporarily get the attention and sympathy of the political elite (The State) are able to directly or indirectly loot other interest groups not as well equipped with the proper connections.
 
2013-02-20 09:59:59 AM  

flaminio: timujin: Tustin isn't Los Angeles.  I know it all looks the same from over there, but Tustin is about six cities south of L.A., an hour away depending on traffic.  It's about as close as Rancho Cucamonga.  They're in different counties ferfuxake.

You have to understand -- for most of us, everything south of Santa Barbara, north of San Diego, and west of San Bernadino is "L.A."


I've never been to the US, so everything between Canada and Mexico is "L.A." for me.
 
2013-02-20 10:10:31 AM  

traylor: flaminio: timujin: Tustin isn't Los Angeles.  I know it all looks the same from over there, but Tustin is about six cities south of L.A., an hour away depending on traffic.  It's about as close as Rancho Cucamonga.  They're in different counties ferfuxake.

You have to understand -- for most of us, everything south of Santa Barbara, north of San Diego, and west of San Bernadino is "L.A."

I've never been to the US, so everything between Canada and Mexico is "L.A." for me.


Reminds me of a line from the Eddie Murphy movie "Coming to America" (I'm paraphrasing): "America is such a big, diverse country. So, New York or L.A.?"
 
2013-02-20 11:46:14 AM  
This affected my commute yesterday.  Damn you!
 
2013-02-20 12:45:13 PM  
I have a shopping addiction, you wouldn't understand....It was so hard growing up in the Long Beach area. I just wanted to take the 105 and get the hell out of there. I wanted to pass the airport and continue onto La Cienega. That was my dream. But that dream ended when I then I checked into the Yucca Valley treatment center for shopping disorders. On the Palms Highway. Across from the Del Taco. But I'm better now.


/Actually I'm not sure why its the 105
//710 and 405 go out of LB
 
2013-02-20 01:12:03 PM  
Shhh ... Muslim honor killing. Do Not Report. Repeat. Do Not Report. Muslims cases must not be reported.
 
2013-02-20 10:16:50 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: SubBass49: Douchebag is from Ladera Ranch...think of it as an overpriced (even by So-Cal standards) enclave of Orange County (Republican heaven) full of douchebags with USC stickers on their BMW/Audi/Porsche/Benz and housewives that hire housekeepers to clean so they can go to cross-fit.

fark this guy...farkin' douche.

Loretta Sanchez would like a word with you.

Actually, she's more likely to biatch-slap you.

You're stereotyped thinking on OC is about 40 years out of date, son.


Ladera Ranch is part of the 49th district...represented by auto thief and notorious dipshiat Darrell Issa (R-Etard).  that's about as Republican Derp-Fest as it gets...
 
2013-02-20 10:22:19 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: saturn badger: I was gonna go with:

Knock! Knock!
Who's there?
Orange.
Orange who?
Orange you glad you don't live in Orange County?

/yeah. lame, I know
//but you smiled. I saw it

I'm happy as a clam at high tide thjat I live in OC and not LA. Even (or especially) when we were homeless it is a MUCH better environment. Lower taxes, saner city governments (with some exceptions) lots of ethnic diversity and food (Soul, German, Cambodian, Vietnamese, Chinese, Thai, Korean, Mexican, El Salvadorean, Guatemalan, Laotian, French, American South, etc.), and the smog is less and the weather more temperate. Also less crazy people.


Glad to hear it. I live up north from you and all we hear about is the crazy stuff.
 
2013-02-20 11:28:28 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: SubBass49: Douchebag is from Ladera Ranch...think of it as an overpriced (even by So-Cal standards) enclave of Orange County (Republican heaven) full of douchebags with USC stickers on their BMW/Audi/Porsche/Benz and housewives that hire housekeepers to clean so they can go to cross-fit.

fark this guy...farkin' douche.

Loretta Sanchez would like a word with you.

Actually, she's more likely to biatch-slap you.

You're stereotyped thinking on OC is about 40 years out of date, son.


You're both wrong/right. South Orange County (San Clemente to Lake Forest/Irvine) is full of Republican douchebags. North Orange County is full of grimey neighborhoods with poor minorities.

Orange County essentially has no soul.
 
2013-02-21 01:02:33 AM  

Novart: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: SubBass49: Douchebag is from Ladera Ranch...think of it as an overpriced (even by So-Cal standards) enclave of Orange County (Republican heaven) full of douchebags with USC stickers on their BMW/Audi/Porsche/Benz and housewives that hire housekeepers to clean so they can go to cross-fit.

fark this guy...farkin' douche.

Loretta Sanchez would like a word with you.

Actually, she's more likely to biatch-slap you.

You're stereotyped thinking on OC is about 40 years out of date, son.

You're both wrong/right. South Orange County (San Clemente to Lake Forest/Irvine) is full of Republican douchebags. North Orange County is full of grimey neighborhoods with poor minorities.

Orange County essentially has no soul.


Really? I've seen shiatloads of "Messican" residents in row upon row of grimy apts in both San Clemente and lake ?Forest. There's a smaller bunch in Irvine, but I expect the People's Republic will round them up one of these days since they do not conform to Ze Master Plan!
 
2013-02-21 01:46:27 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Novart: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: SubBass49: Douchebag is from Ladera Ranch...think of it as an overpriced (even by So-Cal standards) enclave of Orange County (Republican heaven) full of douchebags with USC stickers on their BMW/Audi/Porsche/Benz and housewives that hire housekeepers to clean so they can go to cross-fit.

fark this guy...farkin' douche.

Loretta Sanchez would like a word with you.

Actually, she's more likely to biatch-slap you.

You're stereotyped thinking on OC is about 40 years out of date, son.

You're both wrong/right. South Orange County (San Clemente to Lake Forest/Irvine) is full of Republican douchebags. North Orange County is full of grimey neighborhoods with poor minorities.

Orange County essentially has no soul.

Really? I've seen shiatloads of "Messican" residents in row upon row of grimy apts in both San Clemente and lake ?Forest. There's a smaller bunch in Irvine, but I expect the People's Republic will round them up one of these days since they do not conform to Ze Master Plan!


There's always jobs for poor Mexicans in even the richest cities. Hell I've seen some pretty ghetto areas of Laguna Beach, but it's not like Santa Ana where there's endless Mexicans or Garden Grove where there are endless asians

I've lived in Santa Ana and Rancho Santa Margarita, so this is all based on my experience with those two opposing dynamics. You can even see it in driving skills. I watch out for other drivers in north Orange County (asians, etc). In south Orange County I have to keep myself from road raging due to all the stuck up inconsiderate drivers, even though they generally drive much more safely.
 
2013-02-21 01:55:32 AM  

Novart: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Novart: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: SubBass49: Douchebag is from Ladera Ranch...think of it as an overpriced (even by So-Cal standards) enclave of Orange County (Republican heaven) full of douchebags with USC stickers on their BMW/Audi/Porsche/Benz and housewives that hire housekeepers to clean so they can go to cross-fit.

fark this guy...farkin' douche.

Loretta Sanchez would like a word with you.

Actually, she's more likely to biatch-slap you.

You're stereotyped thinking on OC is about 40 years out of date, son.

You're both wrong/right. South Orange County (San Clemente to Lake Forest/Irvine) is full of Republican douchebags. North Orange County is full of grimey neighborhoods with poor minorities.

Orange County essentially has no soul.

Really? I've seen shiatloads of "Messican" residents in row upon row of grimy apts in both San Clemente and lake ?Forest. There's a smaller bunch in Irvine, but I expect the People's Republic will round them up one of these days since they do not conform to Ze Master Plan!

There's always jobs for poor Mexicans in even the richest cities. Hell I've seen some pretty ghetto areas of Laguna Beach, but it's not like Santa Ana where there's endless Mexicans or Garden Grove where there are endless asians

I've lived in Santa Ana and Rancho Santa Margarita, so this is all based on my experience with those two opposing dynamics. You can even see it in driving skills. I watch out for other drivers in north Orange County (asians, etc). In south Orange County I have to keep myself from road raging due to all the stuck up inconsiderate drivers, even though they generally drive much more safely.


What the fark is the problem with Asian drivers? Seriously!
 
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