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(Talking Points Memo)   By opposing Obamacare twenty-six GOP states ceded control of their health care system to Washington instead. "The national government will now be setting the framework for at least half of the country"   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 192
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2013-02-19 10:33:04 PM
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2013-02-19 10:36:47 PM
So, they had a choice between ceding control to the federal govt. through insurance exchanges or ceding control of the exchanges to the federal govt.

Got it.

This is veiled attempt to eliminate health insurance while further eroding the states' power; they were right to refuse to participate in this little farce.
 
2013-02-19 10:42:26 PM

Animatronik: So, they had a choice between ceding control to the federal govt. through insurance exchanges or ceding control of the exchanges to the federal govt.

Got it.

This is veiled attempt to eliminate health insurance while further eroding the states' power; they were right to refuse to participate in this little farce.


Out of curiosity, what value do you think healthcare insurance companies bring to the the delivery of healthcare?
 
2013-02-19 10:47:19 PM

Animatronik: So, they had a choice between ceding control to the federal govt. through insurance exchanges or ceding control of the exchanges to the federal govt.
Got it.
This is veiled attempt to eliminate health insurance while further eroding the states' power; they were right to refuse to participate in this little farce.


I wish. Instead it is an attempt to bolster the insurance model already in place. On it's own, the insurance model was failing to provide healthcare without bankrupting the nation. Obamacare shores up the plan by patching it piecemeal so that it has a chance to work. It is essentially a "fix old, no new" policy. That is also why, in part, it is complicated legislature. It would be much more streamlined and efficient to eliminate health insurance altogether and rid the sales model from our health.
 
2013-02-19 10:51:49 PM

Ablejack: Animatronik: So, they had a choice between ceding control to the federal govt. through insurance exchanges or ceding control of the exchanges to the federal govt.
Got it.
This is veiled attempt to eliminate health insurance while further eroding the states' power; they were right to refuse to participate in this little farce.

I wish. Instead it is an attempt to bolster the insurance model already in place. On it's own, the insurance model was failing to provide healthcare without bankrupting the nation. Obamacare shores up the plan by patching it piecemeal so that it has a chance to work. It is essentially a "fix old, no new" policy. That is also why, in part, it is complicated legislature. It would be much more streamlined and efficient to eliminate health insurance altogether and rid the sales model from our health.

Sadly, this is still the most relevant image from the health care debate.




lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-02-19 10:53:24 PM

Herman Borrach: Out of curiosity, what value do you think healthcare insurance companies bring to the the delivery of healthcare?


They stand as gatekeepers to health care, insuring that only proper care is dispensed, and that useless care is denied.  They form committees of actuaries, accountants, and clerks, who act together to make sure that doctors' decisions that do not sufficiently increase shareholder value are not allowed to propagate down to those (often elderly and terminal) patients who seek to unconscionably steal from the sweat of the health insurer's brow.
 
2013-02-19 11:04:10 PM
Hooray for the Heritage Foundation conservative think tank health FARTBONGOcare plan!

It's all the ebil Kenyan neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeekeri's fault!
 
2013-02-19 11:21:19 PM

jigger: Soup4Bonnie: jigger: What? The Affordable Care Act will cause rates to rise? Who saw that coming, huh?

It is entirely possible that the health insurance companies that had to cut refund checks last year enjoyed it so much that they are raising their rates in order to do so again.

They have to get permission from the feds and the states to raise rates more than 10%. Some companies now have that permission and for some people (read young people) their rates are going to go up 30% or more. I know for a fact that mine are about to go up more than 30%.


I'm fine with the cost of doing business includes spending money to help the citizens of our country stay healthy.
 
2013-02-19 11:32:21 PM

CujoQuarrel: snocone: The best health insurance Money will buy you.
Congress gets real health insurance. Free!
Why not you?

/'cause when it is for everybody, it is not/cannot be free
//USA home of the most PROFIT on human misery ever invented

Health care is never 'Free'

You just want someone else to pay for yours


Newsflash: YOU'RE ALREADY PAYING FOR IT. Where do you think the money comes from when someone with no insurance goes to the ER and can't pay?
 
2013-02-20 12:00:48 AM

Hobodeluxe: Karac: I imagine there's a lot of stuff you can get in an ER that'll make a $3750 bill in less than a business day.

a lot of things. an MRI for one.


Pretty damn close, yeah.  I have a bill right here from when I went to the ER for a kidney stone last June...
Billed charges to date: 3402.00
Receipts to date: 1196.61 (how much the insurance company paid them)
Adjustments to date: 1563.89 (how much they cut the price by, for the insurance company*)
Balance forward: 641.50 (what I have to pay)

*If I hadn't had insurance, they would't have cut the price by that much for me... though from the days when my wife didn't have insurance, I think they usually cut it 40-60% if you're uninsured but willing to pay  something.  The same is not true for prescription medicines - when I was college-age, my dad and I had the same bronchitis, got the same prescription, and what his insurance paid for it, plus his co-pay, was half of the "cash" price for me as an uninsured person.
 
2013-02-20 12:16:03 AM

parasol: Mister Tweak  - That makes sense only if you're a single 22-year-old with no assets and no prospects of long-term financial growth. If you're a 45-year-old married parent halfway through a mortgage, one or two kids within sight of college, your health, financial, and moral obligations are a lot more complex.
Those of us who do pay into health insurance, and have done so for decades, get a little tired of the increasing burden tossed on us by both irresponsible individuals who show up at the ER with a nice case of Honda Rash, and "employers" who 1099 everyone, and leave the local county/state/city to pick up the tab when one of the "independent contractors" gets sick or injured.
I realize those are only two small parts of why our health care system is horribly broken, but that's the point here: we realize it's broken, we do what we can to fix it, realizing that it's not going to happen overnight, and we also understand that a lot of leeches will suck more out of the system than they put in;

Cujo -

Your plan to sigh up for insurance when you need it wont work - see above

As someone who has "complex moral obligations" and works on a 1099 basis I can tell you you can't just opt to get insurance when you are in the ER - the last go around I had there was 7k on my dime

I don't see you talking at ALL about health care COST - and why drug costs are so high - and DONT give me that "R and D" bull, either.

What I read in your post was "I can game the system" and that is what is wrong in the first place.


I'm definitely going to have health insurance. I have it now. I pay for it. High deductible at about 650 a month.

But if you think people won't game the system you are very naive
 
2013-02-20 12:17:46 AM

fusillade762: CujoQuarrel: snocone: The best health insurance Money will buy you.
Congress gets real health insurance. Free!
Why not you?

/'cause when it is for everybody, it is not/cannot be free
//USA home of the most PROFIT on human misery ever invented

Health care is never 'Free'

You just want someone else to pay for yours

Newsflash: YOU'RE ALREADY PAYING FOR IT. Where do you think the money comes from when someone with no insurance goes to the ER and can't pay?


That's what I said. It's not free.
But Ocare ain't going to help.
Single payer would have spread the cost around more. This hacked up new system is donkey balls.
 
2013-02-20 12:34:53 AM

CujoQuarrel: fusillade762: CujoQuarrel: snocone: The best health insurance Money will buy you.
Congress gets real health insurance. Free!
Why not you?

/'cause when it is for everybody, it is not/cannot be free
//USA home of the most PROFIT on human misery ever invented

Health care is never 'Free'

You just want someone else to pay for yours

Newsflash: YOU'RE ALREADY PAYING FOR IT. Where do you think the money comes from when someone with no insurance goes to the ER and can't pay?

That's what I said. It's not free.
But Ocare ain't going to help.
Single payer would have spread the cost around more. This hacked up new system is donkey balls.


Ah. Well on that point we agree.
 
2013-02-20 12:38:14 AM
Republicans:

i38.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-20 12:39:00 AM

fusillade762: qorkfiend: Whiskey Pete: [i1162.photobucket.com image 360x480]

I farking love it when people clearly on Medicare complain about government "helth" care.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x370]

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What's up with all these losers 35 years away from Medicare eligibility holding signs about "My" Medicare....What's the going rate for a paid protest shill anyway?
 
2013-02-20 12:40:49 AM
I still haven't gotten a real answer as to why anyone wouldn't actually want health insurance. I've seen ominous references to people "gaming the system" (paying the taxes instead of buying insurance) for some unstated reason, and the usual conservitard point of people wanting "free healthcare" and getting someone else to pay...what I HAVEN'T seen is anyone telling me why for the love of God anyone who could get it wouldn't have it.

I  know those of us who don't have it desperately want it and are hoping to survive until next year when we can no longer be turned down for our "pre-existing conditions" and will be delighted to pay the certain to be hyperinflated price the insurance companies will charge...but still: Can't someone give me a good reason why someone would voluntarily decide they'd prefer to roll the dice and not have insurance?
 
2013-02-20 12:43:47 AM

CujoQuarrel: Single payer would have spread the cost around more. This hacked up new system is donkey balls.


Why would government-run universal health insurance have "spread the cost around more" while mandatory universal private insurance would not?
 
2013-02-20 12:54:09 AM
Communism!!!!!
 
2013-02-20 12:55:56 AM
At what point do the Republicans take credit for Romneycare?
 
2013-02-20 01:31:52 AM

Raging Whore Moans: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Health insurance ≠ health care

I applaud you for using the unequal sign instead of the commonly-used "equals divided by equals"


Are you trying to say that =/=  ≠ ≠?
 
2013-02-20 01:46:04 AM

CujoQuarrel: Isitoveryet: CujoQuarrel: Everyone does know how to game the system by now right?

no.

and i don't think you'd get very far with your plan either.

As it stands right now

1) You can pay a smallish fine to get out of having to buy the insurance
2) You can not be turned down. If you get cancer today you can buy the insurance tomorrow and be covered.

So as a rational financial decision people should only buy the insurance if they are going to have more medical bills than the premium.


Don't let these other guys let you down. I think this is a great plan. You should definitely do it.
 
2013-02-20 01:48:46 AM

Biological Ali: CujoQuarrel: Isitoveryet: CujoQuarrel: Everyone does know how to game the system by now right?

no.

and i don't think you'd get very far with your plan either.

As it stands right now

1) You can pay a smallish fine to get out of having to buy the insurance
2) You can not be turned down. If you get cancer today you can buy the insurance tomorrow and be covered.

So as a rational financial decision people should only buy the insurance if they are going to have more medical bills than the premium.

Don't let these other guys let you down. I think this is a great plan. You should definitely do it.


Hehehe, I am hoping he does.  And then he gets cancer...
 
2013-02-20 01:55:07 AM

Sabyen91: Biological Ali: CujoQuarrel: Isitoveryet: CujoQuarrel: Everyone does know how to game the system by now right?

no.

and i don't think you'd get very far with your plan either.

As it stands right now

1) You can pay a smallish fine to get out of having to buy the insurance
2) You can not be turned down. If you get cancer today you can buy the insurance tomorrow and be covered.

So as a rational financial decision people should only buy the insurance if they are going to have more medical bills than the premium.

Don't let these other guys let you down. I think this is a great plan. You should definitely do it.

Hehehe, I am hoping he does.  And then he gets cancer...


Because he clearly doesn't understand the law.  Dude is going to die fast and it will be because he is such a right-wing moron.
 
2013-02-20 02:51:57 AM

Gyrfalcon: I still haven't gotten a real answer as to why anyone wouldn't actually want health insurance. I've seen ominous references to people "gaming the system" (paying the taxes instead of buying insurance) for some unstated reason, and the usual conservitard point of people wanting "free healthcare" and getting someone else to pay...what I HAVEN'T seen is anyone telling me why for the love of God anyone who could get it wouldn't have it.

I  know those of us who don't have it desperately want it and are hoping to survive until next year when we can no longer be turned down for our "pre-existing conditions" and will be delighted to pay the certain to be hyperinflated price the insurance companies will charge...but still: Can't someone give me a good reason why someone would voluntarily decide they'd prefer to roll the dice and not have insurance?


Because socialism. And the president is near.
 
2013-02-20 02:55:26 AM

fusillade762: Gyrfalcon: I still haven't gotten a real answer as to why anyone wouldn't actually want health insurance. I've seen ominous references to people "gaming the system" (paying the taxes instead of buying insurance) for some unstated reason, and the usual conservitard point of people wanting "free healthcare" and getting someone else to pay...what I HAVEN'T seen is anyone telling me why for the love of God anyone who could get it wouldn't have it.

I  know those of us who don't have it desperately want it and are hoping to survive until next year when we can no longer be turned down for our "pre-existing conditions" and will be delighted to pay the certain to be hyperinflated price the insurance companies will charge...but still: Can't someone give me a good reason why someone would voluntarily decide they'd prefer to roll the dice and not have insurance?

Because socialism. And the president is near.


Socialnig...I am pretty sure I can't finish that without being banned.  Only idiots think Socialism isn't part of our mixed economy, which we have had since about 1920.  Pure capitalism has been tried and we told it to go the fark away.  Even Adam Smith thought it was a shiat idea.
 
2013-02-20 04:09:46 AM

Harry_Seldon: At what point do the Republicans take credit for Romneycare?


hahahhahahahahhahahaha

Never.
 
2013-02-20 06:02:29 AM

shotglasss: Whiskey Pete: [i1162.photobucket.com image 360x480]

Gotta love it when libs go to protests with their misspellings and pretend to be conservatives.


I'm just curious, are you literally sniffling right now? Your post certainly makes it sound like you are.
 
2013-02-20 06:08:45 AM

zez: In Missouri they worded the bill so much in doublespeak that I'm pretty sure I voted differently than I wanted and I knew about it going in!



"Do you not want to not elect person X or not?"
 
2013-02-20 06:24:11 AM

Gyrfalcon: I still haven't gotten a real answer as to why anyone wouldn't actually want health insurance. I've seen ominous references to people "gaming the system" (paying the taxes instead of buying insurance) for some unstated reason, and the usual conservitard point of people wanting "free healthcare" and getting someone else to pay...what I HAVEN'T seen is anyone telling me why for the love of God anyone who could get it wouldn't have it.

I  know those of us who don't have it desperately want it and are hoping to survive until next year when we can no longer be turned down for our "pre-existing conditions" and will be delighted to pay the certain to be hyperinflated price the insurance companies will charge...but still: Can't someone give me a good reason why someone would voluntarily decide they'd prefer to roll the dice and not have insurance?


I think a lot of people consider themselves invincible, or nearly invincible and figure they'll never need anything more than an ER visit to take care of a minor injury or illness. Then they look at the reality of health care costs and see how having insurance has done little to prevent people with major medical issues from going bankrupt and figure there's no point. If they never have to deal with anything major (surgeries, long term care, etc) then they might even be right.
It seems like most people have the idea that insurance is only needed for major stuff, but using it for major stuff will still leave you destitute, so why pay premiums for years and years just to go broke when you file a claim.

/insured through employer
//costs a bunch
///glad to have it, will still keep paying
////slashies!
 
2013-02-20 07:01:15 AM
I was in the hospital the other day after my niece had medium-level accident. Was there for for three hours, lots of xrays, different specialists, lovely nurses, special "play coordinators" in the playroom for the kids as we moved between different specialists. Everything was fine in the end.

Didn't have to fill out a single form
Didn't have to phone a single insurance company
Didn't have to get out my wallet
No doctor to ask permission to do anything they deemed medically necessary
Got tea and biscuits

/Mmmmmmm, the UK is made of rainbows and unicorn fur..
 
2013-02-20 07:55:04 AM

BizarreMan: What's really stupid is that in Mississippi, the Republican Insurance Commissioner started to set up an Exchange because his thought is, if we're going to have it, lets have some say in it.

The Republican Governor almost took him out back and shot him for going along with the Fed plan.


Heh; that happened here in NC too. The Democratic lame-duck governor agreed to participate in setting up the exchange with the Federal government, but when the Republicans got in power they nixed that deal right away. Then the new Republican governor said "hey, wait a minute, there may be advantages in working with the Fed to set up the exchanges". A few days later, after his corporate masters explained to him certain political realities, he came out and said "we don't want to set up our own exchanges, let the Federal government do it for us!".
 
2013-02-20 07:55:53 AM

iaazathot: Well, the idiots in Cheyenne, here in Wyoming, sat around with their thumbs up their butts believing it would get overturned.  When it didn't, they all started crying, "there isn't enough time, whoa, whoa, whoa..."
No, you stupid, knuckle dragging morons, you should have proceeded with making plans for BOTH contingencies.  Instead you sat around and did nothing.  Too farking bad, now you don't get a say in the matter.  Oh, and they voted against additional medicaid coverage, so more poor people go without medical care.
Assholes.


That's not as bad as Montana.  We passed a law this  last election that the feds can't enforce Obamacare in our state.  Yessir, that should  do it.  Go away now, Obamacare.
 
2013-02-20 08:35:09 AM

CujoQuarrel: But if you think people won't game the system you are very naive


But you seem to think that your method of gaming the system would actually accomplish something positive for the person trying it.  Is that naivete, or just plain dumb on your part?
 
2013-02-20 08:45:22 AM

Forbidden Doughnut: qorkfiend: Whiskey Pete: [i1162.photobucket.com image 360x480]

I farking love it when people clearly on Medicare complain about government "helth" care.

These people have to be related to the guy who was holding the " Remember descent. The highest form of patriotic" sign at a Tea Party rally....


Yeah, and this chick too.  WTF is her problem?

i80.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-20 09:22:54 AM

shotglasss: Whiskey Pete: [i1162.photobucket.com image 360x480]

Gotta love it when libs go to protests with their misspellings and pretend to be conservatives.


Gotta love it when conservatives are so insecure that they blame everything they don't like on "libs."

Reality: "Hey look, a stupid conservative doing something stupid."
Conservative: "OMG, FALSE FLAG, RINO, LIBS, LIBS, LIBS, LIIIIIIIIIIBSSSSSSS!!!!!"
 
2013-02-20 10:48:17 AM

Bungles: I was in the hospital the other day after my niece had medium-level accident. Was there for for three hours, lots of xrays, different specialists, lovely nurses, special "play coordinators" in the playroom for the kids as we moved between different specialists. Everything was fine in the end.

Didn't have to fill out a single form
Didn't have to phone a single insurance company
Didn't have to get out my wallet
No doctor to ask permission to do anything they deemed medically necessary
Got tea and biscuits

/Mmmmmmm, the UK is made of rainbows and unicorn fur..


I'm so jealous...  Even with paying for everything, having courteous and knowledgeable docs and nurses... that would be awesome.  Instead the last time I went, I was left sitting in a near empty waiting room for four hours feeling like my appendix was going to burst inside me - wasn't even triaged.
 
2013-02-20 10:55:25 AM

Darke: Bungles: I was in the hospital the other day after my niece had medium-level accident. Was there for for three hours, lots of xrays, different specialists, lovely nurses, special "play coordinators" in the playroom for the kids as we moved between different specialists. Everything was fine in the end.

Didn't have to fill out a single form
Didn't have to phone a single insurance company
Didn't have to get out my wallet
No doctor to ask permission to do anything they deemed medically necessary
Got tea and biscuits

/Mmmmmmm, the UK is made of rainbows and unicorn fur..

I'm so jealous...  Even with paying for everything, having courteous and knowledgeable docs and nurses... that would be awesome.  Instead the last time I went, I was left sitting in a near empty waiting room for four hours feeling like my appendix was going to burst inside me - wasn't even triaged.



Even if you hit a decrepit old London A&E on a busy Saturday night, I'd hope you'd get at least triaged within the hour (obviously instantly if you're clearly in the process of dying, but I suspect that would be the case anywhere in the West).

Fark has told me that if you have insurance, then the US health system is like Hotel Paradiso.
 
2013-02-20 11:24:15 AM

Bungles: Darke: Bungles: I was in the hospital the other day after my niece had medium-level accident. Was there for for three hours, lots of xrays, different specialists, lovely nurses, special "play coordinators" in the playroom for the kids as we moved between different specialists. Everything was fine in the end.

Didn't have to fill out a single form
Didn't have to phone a single insurance company
Didn't have to get out my wallet
No doctor to ask permission to do anything they deemed medically necessary
Got tea and biscuits

/Mmmmmmm, the UK is made of rainbows and unicorn fur..

I'm so jealous...  Even with paying for everything, having courteous and knowledgeable docs and nurses... that would be awesome.  Instead the last time I went, I was left sitting in a near empty waiting room for four hours feeling like my appendix was going to burst inside me - wasn't even triaged.


Even if you hit a decrepit old London A&E on a busy Saturday night, I'd hope you'd get at least triaged within the hour (obviously instantly if you're clearly in the process of dying, but I suspect that would be the case anywhere in the West).

Fark has told me that if you have insurance, then the US health system is like Hotel Paradiso.


In reality, it's more like the Hotel New Hampshire.
 
2013-02-20 11:41:42 AM

Ablejack: Animatronik: So, they had a choice between ceding control to the federal govt. through insurance exchanges or ceding control of the exchanges to the federal govt.
Got it.
This is veiled attempt to eliminate health insurance while further eroding the states' power; they were right to refuse to participate in this little farce.

I wish. Instead it is an attempt to bolster the insurance model already in place. On it's own, the insurance model was failing to provide healthcare without bankrupting the nation. Obamacare shores up the plan by patching it piecemeal so that it has a chance to work. It is essentially a "fix old, no new" policy. That is also why, in part, it is complicated legislature. It would be much more streamlined and efficient to eliminate health insurance altogether and rid the sales model from our health.


You can grow no NEW tree of healthcare until you chop down the old, corrupt, PROFITABLE one.
It will take more than Paul Bunion, and a gd herd of blue oxen.
 
2013-02-20 03:01:14 PM
If this results in Obama forcing churches' insurance to cover birth control, I'm all for it. After all, it covers Viagra, does it not?
 
2013-02-20 08:29:48 PM
Wow, sh0tglass has really gone off the deep end.
 
2013-02-21 11:53:25 AM

qorkfiend: Whiskey Pete: [i1162.photobucket.com image 360x480]

I farking love it when people clearly on Medicare complain about government "helth" care.


These are the same old people in your town voting down initiatives to help the school system because they are property owners because they haven't had kids at home in 40 years because fark you.  And they're voting in morality laws to keep liquor stores out of easy reach from where you live because the only thing they drink is a 12-pack of Ensure because fark you. And they want their healthcare but they don't want to chip in for yours because fark you.  They don't care about you because in their day they could buy a house and a car on a janitor's salary so quit your whining about your really expensive rent.
 
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