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(Talking Points Memo)   By opposing Obamacare twenty-six GOP states ceded control of their health care system to Washington instead. "The national government will now be setting the framework for at least half of the country"   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 192
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2013-02-19 04:10:14 PM
Theda Skocpol, a professor at Harvard University and expert on health care politics and policy, said in an email Tuesday. "State-level experiments and variants will often have a more progressive flavor - in the states doing their own exchanges - and of course those may create models that could later spread. Meanwhile, the feds will at least create some consistency."

I didn't even think of this.  Not only is the Federal government taking over basically all of the red states' health care exchanges, but it also means that none of the red states are going to be implementing competing models.  The only one of the red states that might actually try something clever is Utah, but that is vs 20 or something blue states.  So if an alternative model comes out, it will almost certainly be based on a plan started by Democrats.
 
2013-02-19 04:14:57 PM
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No compromise? No say.
 
2013-02-19 04:18:46 PM
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2013-02-19 04:25:37 PM
Where is snark?
 
2013-02-19 04:29:15 PM
Naw, the insurance industry and the medical industry will be setting the rules for a very long time, as they have been for a very long time.
 
2013-02-19 04:38:39 PM
Health insurance ≠ health care
 
2013-02-19 04:51:21 PM
Which will also lead to large scale industry adjustments.  They'll like a sure thing, and more than half of the country using the same standards will lead to gradual adjustments.
 
2013-02-19 04:59:43 PM
I'm just glad to Christ Arizona won't be doing its own thing.
 
2013-02-19 05:13:35 PM
The best health insurance Money will buy you.
Congress gets real health insurance. Free!
Why not you?

/'cause when it is for everybody, it is not/cannot be free
//USA home of the most PROFIT on human misery ever invented
 
2013-02-19 05:31:09 PM

This About That: Naw, the insurance industry and the medical industry will be setting the rules for a very long time, as they have been for a very long time.


Subject to the minimum requirements that the federal program will be using.

Basically, it's a public option for 26 states.

// trollface
 
2013-02-19 05:38:42 PM
Shiatty Medicaid is better than nothing.

But I imagine that these states are going to have some sort of shiatty medicaid.
 
2013-02-19 05:40:17 PM
Sort of further exposes the fact that the GOP has no ideas when it comes to the issue. Here is their big chance to show those big gubbermint spend-o-crats how it's done, and they've got nothing.
 
2013-02-19 05:42:40 PM
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2013-02-19 05:43:32 PM

Whiskey Pete: [i1162.photobucket.com image 360x480]


I farking love it when people clearly on Medicare complain about government "helth" care.
 
2013-02-19 05:43:49 PM
but how can they spin this to make blame President Obama?
 
2013-02-19 05:43:58 PM

cman: Where is snark?


Snark? In my Politics tab?
 
2013-02-19 05:45:25 PM
oh my answer is in TFA

The immediate political upshot for leaders of the Republican states that stonewalled the exchanges is that they'll avoid the wrath of their conservative flanks. And in the long-run, this decision allows them to more easily blame the federal government if things go wrong.
 
2013-02-19 05:45:50 PM
derp.
 
2013-02-19 05:46:05 PM

snocone: The best health insurance Money will buy you.
Congress gets real health insurance. Free!

HOW ABOUT NOhttp://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/health-care-for-members-of-cong ress/
Why not you?

/'cause when it is for everybody, it is not/cannot be free
//USA home of the most PROFIT on human misery ever invented
 
2013-02-19 05:46:20 PM
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2013-02-19 05:47:22 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Health insurance ≠ health care


Except when you don't have health insurance then you often can't afford health care.
 
2013-02-19 05:48:20 PM
When smaller companies have a chance to buy into these exchanges, state or federal, the real value (or not) of the act will be known. That happens in a couple years, I believe.
 
2013-02-19 05:49:24 PM
The fact that these folks have a huge portion of the country adhering to their agenda is......bewildering.
 
2013-02-19 05:49:45 PM
And once again the intellectual bankruptcy of the modern conservative movement is proved.
 
2013-02-19 05:53:23 PM
If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine
 
2013-02-19 05:53:38 PM

Isitoveryet: oh my answer is in TFA

The immediate political upshot for leaders of the Republican states that stonewalled the exchanges is that they'll avoid the wrath of their conservative flanks. And in the long-run, this decision allows them to more easily blame the federal government if things go wrong.


Yep, and there it is. And it's ultimately worth remembering: This is a plan that has been championed by such progressive luminaries as Bob Dole and Mitt Romney. The Republicans want Fartfartfartfartfartbongofartcare to succeed, and rather badly, because they know that it's the only way to keep the private health insurance gravy train rolling. They also want their sucker voting base to keep voting for them. This way, they get everything they want.
 
2013-02-19 05:54:15 PM
It wasn't their opposition to Obamacare that caused them to cede control. It was their inaction in planning for how their state would implement Obamacare that resulted in Washington setting up their health care exchange.

Oh, and the obstinate, tantrum throwing babies (the red states) can still take control of their exchange after it is set up by the feds.

But please continue your poutrage.
 
2013-02-19 05:55:04 PM

Isitoveryet: but how can they spin this to make blame President Obama?


Unnecessary enbiggening of the Federal government will be their battle cry as they use their gerrymandered control of the US House and the state legislatures to try to dismantle Obamacare via de-funding the exchanges.
 
2013-02-19 05:56:29 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Sort of further exposes the fact that the GOP has no ideas when it comes to the issue. Here is their big chance to show those big gubbermint spend-o-crats how it's done, and they've got nothing.


I don't know. Much of Obamacare stems from Republican suggestions. I think they didn't create alternative models because they're ultimately getting the very plans they once championed. They will also reap the benefits because people are largely confused about how the health care plan will benefit them.
 
2013-02-19 05:56:55 PM
Local Government is Best Government.
 
2013-02-19 05:57:18 PM
Good. Let the Federal government put its money were its mouth is.
 
2013-02-19 05:57:36 PM
Good.  Let's just call this "Reconstruction 2.0"
 
2013-02-19 05:58:20 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I'm just glad to Christ Arizona won't be doing its own thing.


Amen to that.
 
2013-02-19 05:59:03 PM
What's really stupid is that in Mississippi, the Republican Insurance Commissioner started to set up an Exchange because his thought is, if we're going to have it, lets have some say in it.

The Republican Governor almost took him out back and shot him for going along with the Fed plan.
 
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2013-02-19 06:00:31 PM
In Missouri they worded the bill so much in doublespeak that I'm pretty sure I voted differently than I wanted and I knew about it going in!
 
2013-02-19 06:01:47 PM

Isitoveryet: oh my answer is in TFA

The immediate political upshot for leaders of the Republican states that stonewalled the exchanges is that they'll avoid the wrath of their conservative flanks. And in the long-run, this decision allows them to more easily blame the federal government if things go wrong.


Let's not forget that allocating money to fund the program is largely left up to the state. There are some few states who are refusing to expand Medicaid because they claim they're unable to afford it. It also looks like a few states are intentionally trying to secure financial penalties that further strip the program of money (Texas appeared to be trying this).
 
2013-02-19 06:02:07 PM

BizarreMan: What's really stupid is that in Mississippi, the Republican Insurance Commissioner started to set up an Exchange because his thought is, if we're going to have it, lets have some say in it.

The Republican Governor almost took him out back and shot him for going along with the Fed plan.


Thereby ensuring that his state will be part of the Federal plan. Brilliant!
 
2013-02-19 06:02:18 PM

Isitoveryet: oh my answer is in TFA

The immediate political upshot for leaders of the Republican states that stonewalled the exchanges is that they'll avoid the wrath of their conservative flanks. And in the long-run, this decision allows them to more easily blame the federal government if things go wrong.


The flipside is that if it becomes wildly popular over time, as Social Security and Medicaid have, they've forever attatched it to Obama's legacy by branding it "Obamacare" for here to eternity.    It's like if you had to take emergency family medical leave and went to your boss and said "I need to take some Clinton Leave".
 
2013-02-19 06:02:58 PM
http://www.latimes.com/health/la-na-insurance-costs-20130218,0,173150 4 .story


Less than a year before Americans will be required to have insurance under President Obama's healthcare law, many of its backers are growing increasingly anxious that premiums could jump, driven up by the legislation itself. Higher premiums could undermine a core promise of the Affordable Care Act: to make basic health protections available to all Americans for the first time. Major rate increases also threaten to cause a backlash just as the law is supposed to deliver many key benefits Obama promised when he signed it in 2010.

What? The Affordable Care Act will cause rates to rise? Who saw that coming, huh?
 
2013-02-19 06:03:13 PM

BizarreMan: What's really stupid is that in Mississippi, the Republican Insurance Commissioner started to set up an Exchange because his thought is, if we're going to have it, lets have some say in it.

The Republican Governor almost took him out back and shot him for going along with the Fed plan.


The Aristocrats!
 
2013-02-19 06:04:21 PM

sdd2000: snocone: The best health insurance Money will buy you.
Congress gets real health insurance. Free! HOW ABOUT NOhttp://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/health-care-for-members-of-cong ress/
Why not you?

/'cause when it is for everybody, it is not/cannot be free
//USA home of the most PROFIT on human misery ever invented


I'm going to guess that inserting facts into this discussion isn't going to change anyone's mind.
 
2013-02-19 06:09:25 PM
To be clear, Republicans didn't oppose universal coverage.

They opposed creating a level, competitive marketplace where health insurance companies have to compete with one another in order to acquire new customers.

You know, Communism.
 
2013-02-19 06:09:27 PM

jigger: http://www.latimes.com/health/la-na-insurance-costs-20130218,0,173150 4 .story


Less than a year before Americans will be required to have insurance under President Obama's healthcare law, many of its backers are growing increasingly anxious that premiums could jump, driven up by the legislation itself. Higher premiums could undermine a core promise of the Affordable Care Act: to make basic health protections available to all Americans for the first time. Major rate increases also threaten to cause a backlash just as the law is supposed to deliver many key benefits Obama promised when he signed it in 2010.

What? The Affordable Care Act will cause rates to rise? Who saw that coming, huh?


Yeah rates never went up before, what gives?


Thanks Obama.
 
2013-02-19 06:09:32 PM
I'm confused. What does this have to do with Benghazi?
 
2013-02-19 06:11:10 PM

HotWingConspiracy: What? The Affordable Care Act will cause rates to rise? Who saw that coming, huh?

Yeah rates never went up before, what gives?


Short term inconvenience > Long term solutions

Remember that when dealing with the GOP.
 
2013-02-19 06:11:33 PM

jigger: http://www.latimes.com/health/la-na-insurance-costs-20130218,0,173150 4 .story


Less than a year before Americans will be required to have insurance under President Obama's healthcare law, many of its backers are growing increasingly anxious that premiums could jump, driven up by the legislation itself. Higher premiums could undermine a core promise of the Affordable Care Act: to make basic health protections available to all Americans for the first time. Major rate increases also threaten to cause a backlash just as the law is supposed to deliver many key benefits Obama promised when he signed it in 2010.

What? The Affordable Care Act will cause rates to rise? Who saw that coming, huh?


Obamacare is the reason health insurance premiums go up?  Damn him and that time machine!

Face it, as long as for-profit insurance companies are involved in health care.  They know they can get away with this because what are you going to do - tell them NOT to pay for your chemo?
 
2013-02-19 06:11:59 PM
I wanna know who taught Obama judo. That guy must be a beast.
 
2013-02-19 06:15:13 PM

DeathBySmiley: To be clear, Republicans didn't oppose universal coverage.

They opposed creating a level, competitive marketplace where health insurance companies have to compete with one another in order to acquire new customers Obama

You know, Communism that blah president.

 
2013-02-19 06:18:26 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Health insurance ≠ health care


I applaud you for using the unequal sign instead of the commonly-used "equals divided by equals"
 
2013-02-19 06:18:34 PM

DeathBySmiley: To be clear, Republicans didn't oppose universal coverage.

They opposed creating a level, competitive marketplace where health insurance companies have to compete with one another in order to acquire new customers.

You know, Communism.


So communism is a system in which for-profit companies must compete for customers?  As opposed to the cartel system we have now?
 
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