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2013-02-19 02:35:17 PM  
"Weeden's got that really quick release, but Geno's got a hose, too,"

- I must have missed a memo, premature ejaculation makes you move up in the draft order?
 
2013-02-19 03:21:48 PM  
Anytime you can draft a 5'8" 180# CB with persistent drug problems, you just gotta do it.

Denard can't catch the ball, but he's the same size as Chris Johnson, and quicker I think.  He could be a really great running back until he gets completely demolished because he isn't smart enough to avoid hits.
 
2013-02-19 03:25:20 PM  
When did 'most intriguing' come to mean 'unlikely to be drafted in the first round?'
 
2013-02-19 03:32:06 PM  
Oh boy.   NFL Draft crap.   The 'rate the 5 years ago draft' articles are better reading (no hype or speculation) than most of the rest of the writing that goes regarding the upcoming draft (mucho blah blah blah).
 
2013-02-19 03:37:23 PM  

Champion of the Sun: Anytime you can draft a 5'8" 180# CB with persistent drug problems, you just gotta do it.


As a Seahawks fan, I really, really want them to draft this guy.  I want it to be a decent value pick -- like the article says, he's probably not a top-100 pick; that means ~fourth round value.  Knowing the Seahawks, maybe they take him higher than anyone else would take him, if they really want him; see Bruce Irvin and Russell Wilson.  So maybe third round, and let McShay sneer at it as a "reach."  We'll see who has the last laugh.

He's not for everyone, of course.  If your team is bad at CB and needs to draft players to get better or deeper at the position, he's not your guy.  But if your team is good at CB and wants a wildcard to just create chaos all over the field while your starting corners lock down the X and Z receivers, I can't think of anyone who fits the job description better than Honey Badger.
 
2013-02-19 03:38:20 PM  

Champion of the Sun: Anytime you can draft a 5'8" 180# CB with persistent drug problems, you just gotta do it.


I kind of want him on my team.  It's weed.  whocares.jpeg
 
2013-02-19 03:40:10 PM  
Denard Robinson should be one hell of a kick returner.
 
2013-02-19 03:42:27 PM  
I've heard Geno Smith doesn't have a whole lot going on up top.
 
2013-02-19 03:44:05 PM  

Super Chronic: As a Seahawks fan, I really, really want them to draft this guy.


Your secondary doesn't have enough drug issues?

thecpt: I kind of want him on my team. It's weed. whocares.jpeg


It's not the weed, it's the twenty five times he got caught with it.  If you ruin your life with heroin, that sucks but it's a biatch of a drug.  Ruin your life with weed?  You are a moron and probably aren't smart enough to read an offense.
 
2013-02-19 03:48:26 PM  
Torque [construction noise] Lewith, naturally.
 
2013-02-19 03:51:10 PM  
farmprogress.com

Ready.
 
2013-02-19 03:54:50 PM  

Champion of the Sun: It's not the weed, it's the twenty five times he got caught with it.  If you ruin your life with heroin, that sucks but it's a biatch of a drug.  Ruin your life with weed?  You are a moron and probably aren't smart enough to read an offense.


I'd still risk a 3rd or 4th round on him. NCAA specifically tries to test for weed, and I really only remember Santonio Holmes getting busted for it in the NFL.  That and hopefully a professional organization backing him, hopefully in a small market such as GB, could work for him.
 
2013-02-19 03:57:56 PM  
Teo to the bears to replace urlacher.
 
2013-02-19 04:03:56 PM  

thecpt: Champion of the Sun: It's not the weed, it's the twenty five times he got caught with it.  If you ruin your life with heroin, that sucks but it's a biatch of a drug.  Ruin your life with weed?  You are a moron and probably aren't smart enough to read an offense.

I'd still risk a 3rd or 4th round on him. NCAA specifically tries to test for weed, and I really only remember Santonio Holmes getting busted for it in the NFL.  That and hopefully a professional organization backing him, hopefully in a small market such as GB, could work for him.


There were three different Lions who got busted for weed last off season.
 
2013-02-19 04:06:56 PM  

ricewater_stool: There were three different Lions who got busted for weed last off season


Really?  I guess its not news when it happens in Detroit?

/shutting up now
 
2013-02-19 04:10:05 PM  

Champion of the Sun: Super Chronic: As a Seahawks fan, I really, really want them to draft this guy.

Your secondary doesn't have enough drug issues?


I walked right into that one, didn't I?  But still.  Just make sure Mathieu doesn't have access to the stash of Adderall -- Honey Badger on Adderall could be literally explosive.  Literally, like a hitherto unknown critical mass being reached.
 
2013-02-19 04:11:48 PM  

Super Chronic: As a Seahawks fan, I really, really want them to draft this guy.


F*ck no.

"Yay we got the third best CB on his college defense!"

"Not only that, but he's so retarded that he got kicked off his college team for pot use in a sport where 90% of players use pot ALL THE TIME. That's not even considering the fact that he got suspended a game in 2010 for it, kicked off the team in 2012, went to drug rehab, and then STILL got caught with it AGAIN a couple months later."
 
2013-02-19 04:18:10 PM  

Super Chronic: Just make sure Mathieu doesn't have access to the stash of Adderall PEDs/Weed/Cocaine or whatever else Browner and Sherman were actually using


Fixed
 
2013-02-19 04:19:04 PM  

IAmRight: Super Chronic: As a Seahawks fan, I really, really want them to draft this guy.

F*ck no.

"Yay we got the third best CB on his college defense!"

"Not only that, but he's so retarded that he got kicked off his college team for pot use in a sport where 90% of players use pot ALL THE TIME. That's not even considering the fact that he got suspended a game in 2010 for it, kicked off the team in 2012, went to drug rehab, and then STILL got caught with it AGAIN a couple months later."


so what you are telling me is he is highly motivated?
 
2013-02-19 04:23:48 PM  

IAmRight: "Yay we got the third best CB on his college defense!"


Again, that's not the point.  His job would not be to provide quality CB play, which they already have.  His job would be to fark shiat up all over the field.  He would blitz, he would jump routes, he would appear out of nowhere after being hidden in a zone.  This would work only if he has quality teammates to cover the starting receivers and, since he'd inevitably make a bunch of mistakes and leave parts of the field open, it would help to have an All Pro free safety on the team.

Also, he returns kicks, and Leon Washington is old/expensive.
 
2013-02-19 04:36:31 PM  

Super Chronic: His job would be to fark shiat up all over the field.  He would blitz, he would jump routes, he would appear out of nowhere after being hidden in a zone.  This would work only if he has quality teammates to cover the starting receivers and, since he'd inevitably make a bunch of mistakes and leave parts of the field open, it would help to have an All Pro free safety on the team.


Not really that useful to have a guy with no smarts in a non-position that makes those critical.

Super Chronic: Also, he returns kicks, and Leon Washington is old/expensive.


Not difficult to find a kick returner.

It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have him as maybe a nickel, but I wouldn't really actively want him on the team. Kinda like having young, motivated players.
 
2013-02-19 04:41:09 PM  

Super Chronic: He would blitz, he would jump routes, he would appear out of nowhere after being hidden in a zone


He's not a farkin pokemon....
 
2013-02-19 04:47:38 PM  
Seattle or Denver should draft him.  He would still have to abide by CBA for weed but wouldn't have any issues with local law enforcement because of it.
 
2013-02-19 05:06:46 PM  

thecpt: I'd still risk a 3rd or 4th round on him. NCAA specifically tries to test for weed, and I really only remember Santonio Holmes getting busted for it in the NFL. That and hopefully a professional organization backing him, hopefully in a small market such as GB, could work for him.


Yeah, a fourth round pick in a system where he can freelance wouldn't be bad.  Super Chronic thinks Seattle works for him.  I don't see enough Seahawks games to know if that's the case, but if you want him to be a safety, I guess it could work.  A lot of those guys like Reed and Polamalu are really football smart though.  Not sure Matthieu is.  Maybe he's a Roethlisberger, idiot off the field and savant on it?

ricewater_stool: There were three different Lions who got busted for weed last off season.


Those guys didn't really cause trouble though, was it three guys or LeShoure twice and Fairly once?  But the Titus Young problem is one everyone saw coming, kinda like Matthieu is.  So the weed isn't the issue, it's being a dumbass that is the problem.  If you get kicked off an SEC squad?  You have more problems that casual weed smoking.
 
2013-02-19 05:22:59 PM  

IAmRight: Super Chronic: His job would be to fark shiat up all over the field.  He would blitz, he would jump routes, he would appear out of nowhere after being hidden in a zone.  This would work only if he has quality teammates to cover the starting receivers and, since he'd inevitably make a bunch of mistakes and leave parts of the field open, it would help to have an All Pro free safety on the team.

Not really that useful to have a guy with no smarts in a non-position that makes those critical.


There is a position: cornerback.  Sometimes cornerbacks blitz and sometimes they play in zones and sometimes they play aggressively, knowing they have safety help.  When you have players who excel in some aspects of the position and not others, you develop rotations and packages to accentuate their skills.  Mathieu would be a rotational player.  When it's third and nine, the Clink sounds like the inside of a turbine engine and the opposing QB doesn't know what planet he's on, that's Honey Badger Time.
 
2013-02-19 05:25:27 PM  

Super Chronic: When it's third and nine, the Clink sounds like the inside of a turbine engine and the opposing QB doesn't know what planet he's on, that's Honey Badger Time.


Sounds like somebody bought into the hype
 
2013-02-19 05:39:25 PM  

Super Chronic: IAmRight: Super Chronic: His job would be to fark shiat up all over the field.  He would blitz, he would jump routes, he would appear out of nowhere after being hidden in a zone.  This would work only if he has quality teammates to cover the starting receivers and, since he'd inevitably make a bunch of mistakes and leave parts of the field open, it would help to have an All Pro free safety on the team.

Not really that useful to have a guy with no smarts in a non-position that makes those critical.

There is a position: cornerback.  Sometimes cornerbacks blitz and sometimes they play in zones and sometimes they play aggressively, knowing they have safety help.  When you have players who excel in some aspects of the position and not others, you develop rotations and packages to accentuate their skills.  Mathieu would be a rotational player.  When it's third and nine, the Clink sounds like the inside of a turbine engine and the opposing QB doesn't know what planet he's on, that's Honey Badger Time.


The only possible position for hm is the nickel. Play him at either corner and teams will simply match up size against him.
 
2013-02-19 05:42:52 PM  

downtownkid: Super Chronic: IAmRight: Super Chronic: His job would be to fark shiat up all over the field.  He would blitz, he would jump routes, he would appear out of nowhere after being hidden in a zone.  This would work only if he has quality teammates to cover the starting receivers and, since he'd inevitably make a bunch of mistakes and leave parts of the field open, it would help to have an All Pro free safety on the team.

Not really that useful to have a guy with no smarts in a non-position that makes those critical.

There is a position: cornerback.  Sometimes cornerbacks blitz and sometimes they play in zones and sometimes they play aggressively, knowing they have safety help.  When you have players who excel in some aspects of the position and not others, you develop rotations and packages to accentuate their skills.  Mathieu would be a rotational player.  When it's third and nine, the Clink sounds like the inside of a turbine engine and the opposing QB doesn't know what planet he's on, that's Honey Badger Time.

The only possible position for hm is the nickel. Play him at either corner and teams will simply match up size against him.


Well yes.  Nickel is a cornerback.  He would play nickel or dime.  This team already has Sherman and Browner to man the two starting jobs.  That's kind of my point.
 
2013-02-19 06:35:46 PM  
nostalgic-gamer.com

Would like you to throw away that can in 4.4 seconds
 
2013-02-19 06:36:24 PM  
He has high hitting percentages.

nostalgic-gamer.com
 
2013-02-19 06:37:03 PM  
I should have reloaded first.
 
2013-02-19 06:39:04 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: I should have reloaded first.


why two logins?
 
2013-02-19 07:10:44 PM  

Inchoate: Torque [construction noise] Lewith, naturally.


I'm hoping the Steelers draft TE Hingle McCringleberry.
 
2013-02-19 07:26:46 PM  

Champion of the Sun: DarkSoulNoHope: I should have reloaded first.

why two logins?


Don't have two logins; somehow the Hive Mind strikes again! In my defense, I wasn't expecting a person to post the exact same photo about a minute before mine, approximately an hour after the last post.
 
2013-02-19 07:54:25 PM  

Super Chronic: downtownkid: Super Chronic: IAmRight: Super Chronic: His job would be to fark shiat up all over the field.  He would blitz, he would jump routes, he would appear out of nowhere after being hidden in a zone.  This would work only if he has quality teammates to cover the starting receivers and, since he'd inevitably make a bunch of mistakes and leave parts of the field open, it would help to have an All Pro free safety on the team.

Not really that useful to have a guy with no smarts in a non-position that makes those critical.

There is a position: cornerback.  Sometimes cornerbacks blitz and sometimes they play in zones and sometimes they play aggressively, knowing they have safety help.  When you have players who excel in some aspects of the position and not others, you develop rotations and packages to accentuate their skills.  Mathieu would be a rotational player.  When it's third and nine, the Clink sounds like the inside of a turbine engine and the opposing QB doesn't know what planet he's on, that's Honey Badger Time.

The only possible position for hm is the nickel. Play him at either corner and teams will simply match up size against him.

Well yes.  Nickel is a cornerback.  He would play nickel or dime.  This team already has Sherman and Browner to man the two starting jobs.  That's kind of my point.


A nickel is a technically a cornerback, but is almost always referred to as a nickel, not as a corner.  This helps avoid confusion.  For example: your post.

He could indeed be valuable at the nickel, but will almost certainly never play as a corner or safety based on his size.  A team would have to be pretty well set at every other position before they drafted someone whose ceiling was as a one-down player.
 
2013-02-19 08:36:03 PM  
I hear great things about this Leon Sandcastle guy...
 
2013-02-19 08:48:08 PM  
Since it was "most interesting" I can't believe it didn't include Marcus Lattimore.

Some team is either going to get stuck with a broken toy or the bargain of the century with his pick. He is uber talented and the kind to stay out of trouble. If his rehab works out and he avoids further injury he will be great. Or he will never be worth a damn because of the knee probs.
 
2013-02-20 04:42:48 PM  
"8. Tavon Austin This might be the quickest guy in Indy this week."


Marquise Goodwin would like a word.
 
2013-02-20 07:31:47 PM  
Oh, look, another "let's pick out names everybody remembers and then fill the rest of the list with SEC players" list.
 
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