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2013-02-19 02:38:30 PM
Why do people keep submitting this bullshiat?

Look.

This is Fark. Take your circle jerking back from whence thou camest.
 
2013-02-19 02:40:25 PM
Goddamm this is stupid as hell. Trying to figure out who's "idea" the sequester was is dumb as hell. The GOP House passed it, the Dem Senate passed it, Obama signed it.

It's everyone's idea.
 
2013-02-19 02:41:23 PM
I won't click a TH link, but it sounds like cman already took a hit for the team.
 
2013-02-19 02:41:47 PM
This is the new narrative from the right: the sequester was Obama's idea. Both houses of Congress voted for it, but that doesn't count or whatever.

And let's be clear here - this time around the GOP could accept a couple hundred billion in revenue (Buffet rule, loopholes) and the overall cuts-to-revenues ledger of deficit reduction in the last few years would still favor the GOP by a ratio of two to one.

One side is willing to accept a compromise of cuts and revenues (again). The other will absolutely not accept any new revenue increases on the wealthy in exchange for anything.
 
2013-02-19 02:48:16 PM
They tell the paper that they will be able to make the case to the public that the sequester was Obama's idea, meaning he'll take the blame for the damage it does.

This is ridiculous on the merits: Lawmakers in both parties voted for the sequester. But the more important point here is that this argument is an implicit admission of the weakness and incoherence of the GOP's position in the sequester battle.

Here's why: It's an implicit admission that deep spending cuts are bad politically for whichever party owns them. After all, if this were not the case, then Republicans would not need to try to shift the blame to Obama for the cuts that are coming. Yet Republicans, and not Democrats, are the ones who are advocating for replacing the sequester only with deep spending cuts! Link
 
2013-02-19 02:50:11 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Here's why: It's an implicit admission that deep spending cuts are bad politically for whichever party owns them.


This is not news. They've always known this. I quote this alot, but its important - Ezra Klein wrote this around the fiscal cliff deal and its as true as ever now:

Today's Republican Party thinks the key problem America faces is out-of-control entitlement spending. But cutting entitlement spending is unpopular and the GOP's coalition relies heavily on seniors. And so they don't want to propose entitlement cuts. If possible, they'd even like to attack President Obama for proposing entitlement cuts. But they also want to see entitlements cut and will refuse to solve the fiscal cliff or raise the debt ceiling unless there are entitlement cuts.

You can see why these negotiations aren't going well.
 
2013-02-19 02:53:19 PM
F*ck the GOP and all of their shills
 
2013-02-19 02:58:26 PM

DamnYankees: Goddamm this is stupid as hell. Trying to figure out who's "idea" the sequester was is dumb as hell. The GOP House passed it, the Dem Senate passed it, Obama signed it.

It's everyone's idea.


It was everyone's idea after the GOP took the country hostage over the budget.
 
2013-02-19 03:02:10 PM
it looks like we are going to kick the can down the road some more.
 
2013-02-19 03:02:22 PM

mrshowrules: It was everyone's idea after the GOP took the country hostage over the budget.


Basically. It's as if someone cut off your arm, and the GOP said they refused to pay for surgery to fix it. So because they wouldn't pay for the surgery, you agreed to temporarily put a tourniquet which will wear out in a year. Then the GOP turns around after that year and says taking off the tourniquet is a bad idea and its your fault your arm is bleeding, but they still refuse to pay for the surgery.
 
2013-02-19 03:04:55 PM

DamnYankees: Dusk-You-n-Me: Here's why: It's an implicit admission that deep spending cuts are bad politically for whichever party owns them.

This is not news. They've always known this. I quote this alot, but its important - Ezra Klein wrote this around the fiscal cliff deal and its as true as ever now:

Today's Republican Party thinks the key problem America faces is out-of-control entitlement spending. But cutting entitlement spending is unpopular and the GOP's coalition relies heavily on seniors. And so they don't want to propose entitlement cuts. If possible, they'd even like to attack President Obama for proposing entitlement cuts. But they also want to see entitlements cut and will refuse to solve the fiscal cliff or raise the debt ceiling unless there are entitlement cuts.

You can see why these negotiations aren't going well.


I don't think they necessarily want entitlement cuts. They want the entitlement money.
 
2013-02-19 03:05:08 PM
Why all the whining?

Doesn't the sequester just cut the growth in government spending, not the baseline of government spending?
 
2013-02-19 03:05:16 PM

propasaurus: I don't think they necessarily want entitlement cuts. They want the entitlement money.


What do you mean.
 
2013-02-19 03:05:55 PM

DamnYankees: Goddamm this is stupid as hell. Trying to figure out who's "idea" the sequester was is dumb as hell. The GOP House passed it, the Dem Senate passed it, Obama signed it.

It's everyone's idea.


So 0bamacare is a GOP idea too?
 
2013-02-19 03:07:54 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: DamnYankees: Goddamm this is stupid as hell. Trying to figure out who's "idea" the sequester was is dumb as hell. The GOP House passed it, the Dem Senate passed it, Obama signed it.

It's everyone's idea.

So 0bamacare is a GOP idea too?


If I remember correctly, zero Republicans in either House voted for Obamacare, so no. The GOP in the House passed the sequester 174-66 (that's just the GOP vote - a majority of Democrats voted against that deal).
 
2013-02-19 03:10:37 PM

DamnYankees: propasaurus: I don't think they necessarily want entitlement cuts. They want the entitlement money.

What do you mean.


I think it's all a ploy for privatization.
 
2013-02-19 03:11:31 PM

DamnYankees: mrshowrules: It was everyone's idea after the GOP took the country hostage over the budget.

Basically. It's as if

someone GOP cut off your arm, and the GOP said they refused to pay for surgery to fix it. So because they wouldn't pay for the surgery, you agreed to temporarily put a tourniquet which will wear out in a year. Then the GOP turns around after that year and says taking off the tourniquet is a bad idea and its your fault your arm is bleeding, but they still refuse to pay for the surgery while threatening to cut off your other arm.
 
2013-02-19 03:12:01 PM

propasaurus: I think it's all a ploy for privatization.


I don't think its a 'ploy', since that's sort of by definition what they want to happen - privatization of health care, social security, charity, etc. I don't see that as being a hidden agenda or anything.
 
2013-02-19 03:12:18 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: DamnYankees: Goddamm this is stupid as hell. Trying to figure out who's "idea" the sequester was is dumb as hell. The GOP House passed it, the Dem Senate passed it, Obama signed it.

It's everyone's idea.

So 0bamacare is a GOP idea too?


Just the personal mandate piece.
 
2013-02-19 03:12:37 PM

mrshowrules: DamnYankees: mrshowrules: It was everyone's idea after the GOP took the country hostage over the budget.

Basically. It's as if someone GOP cut off your arm, and the GOP said they refused to pay for surgery to fix it. So because they wouldn't pay for the surgery, you agreed to temporarily put a tourniquet which will wear out in a year. Then the GOP turns around after that year and says taking off the tourniquet is a bad idea and its your fault your arm is bleeding, but they still refuse to pay for the surgery while threatening to cut off your other arm.


To be fair, the GOP isn't the party that created deficit spending. That's a bipartisan thing.
 
2013-02-19 03:14:27 PM
Freeper Friday already?
 
2013-02-19 03:15:31 PM

Jackson Herring: The Iraq War: Obama's idea?


Just the hiding the WMDs part
 
2013-02-19 03:17:38 PM
So if the sequester is Obama's idea, the GOP is going to vote to kill it right?
 
2013-02-19 03:18:17 PM

GAT_00: So if the sequester is Obama's idea, the GOP is going to vote to kill it right?


Another good point. If the sequester is such a bad idea, just vote to repeal it. I'm pretty sure Obama would sign that.
 
2013-02-19 03:18:31 PM
I, for one, will not rest until 0maba is brought to impeachment over Teapot Dome and the XYZ Affair.
 
2013-02-19 03:25:00 PM
For those people who didn't RTFA, did you see the analysis by the CBO about these "savage" cuts.

(chart at the end)

OMG, I can't believe that anyone would let this happen!

I am with 0bama on this one, those reductions in the growth of government would completely destroy everything.
 
2013-02-19 03:25:29 PM

DamnYankees: Goddamm this is stupid as hell. Trying to figure out who's "idea" the sequester was is dumb as hell. The GOP House passed it, the Dem Senate passed it, Obama signed it.

It's everyone's idea.


THIS.

Boehner said he got 98% of what he wanted...are we supposed to believe this is the 2% he didn't like?
 
2013-02-19 03:28:54 PM

DamnYankees: GAT_00: So if the sequester is Obama's idea, the GOP is going to vote to kill it right?

Another good point. If the sequester is such a bad idea, just vote to repeal it. I'm pretty sure Obama would sign that.


I'd like to see who changed their votes from "yes sequester" to "sequester BAAAAD!", too.  On both sides.
 
2013-02-19 03:29:37 PM

Lionel Mandrake: I'd like to see who changed their votes from "yes sequester" to "sequester BAAAAD!", too.  On both sides.


Well, this isn't necessarily fair. You can think the sequester was a good thing to vote for at the time given the alternative, but still think its a bad idea in general now.
 
2013-02-19 03:33:05 PM

DamnYankees: GAT_00: So if the sequester is Obama's idea, the GOP is going to vote to kill it right?

Another good point. If the sequester is such a bad idea, just vote to repeal it. I'm pretty sure Obama would sign that.


And if he doesn't then the entire thing is on his head. It's win-win for Republicans. They'd be stupid not to kill it.

So the sequester cuts are definitely going through.
 
2013-02-19 03:33:16 PM
Because Republicans are a bunch of children with the ability to destroy the world economy, everyone decided that if an agreement wasn't reached by a specific date, a budget bomb would go off and everyone would take a hit. Taxes would go up, angering Republicans. Entitlement spending would be cut, angering Democrats. Military spending would be cut, angering just about everyone else. "Gee," they thought. "These are some pretty substantial repercussions. Somebody would have to be crazy to once again play chicken with the debt ceiling with these looming cuts and tax increases."

Well, the GOP is that crazy, Obama. This is why you don't negotiate with terrorists.
 
2013-02-19 03:33:52 PM
[townhall] is the worst
 
2013-02-19 03:34:17 PM
So, it's a GOP policy, then. Oh, wait, is this the week that Obama's the lib'rullest lib'rul to ever lib'rul a lib'rul?
 
2013-02-19 03:37:11 PM

cman: Why do people keep submitting this bullshiat?

Look.

This is Fark. Take your circle jerking back from whence thou camest. We post trolly headlines all day long to start flamewars and pay for  Drew's beer.

 
2013-02-19 03:40:24 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Why all the whining?

Doesn't the sequester just cut the growth in government spending, not the baseline of government spending?


NO.  It hits at the account level, which is present-year spending.  It's an actual cut.  If it hits, TRICARE, the military's healthcare system, runs out of money in August.
 
2013-02-19 03:40:52 PM

2wolves: Freeper Friday already?


Zero Derp-Thirty.
 
2013-02-19 03:41:00 PM

odinsposse: DamnYankees: GAT_00: So if the sequester is Obama's idea, the GOP is going to vote to kill it right?

Another good point. If the sequester is such a bad idea, just vote to repeal it. I'm pretty sure Obama would sign that.

And if he doesn't then the entire thing is on his head. It's win-win for Republicans. They'd be stupid not to kill it.

So the sequester cuts are definitely going through.


The GOP will never allow defense cuts.  They know which side their bread is buttered on.
 
2013-02-19 03:42:04 PM
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"Barry ain't nothing but a copycat"
 
2013-02-19 03:43:06 PM
There is no god damn debate.  The assclownery of the GOP in 2011 with the debt ceiling is the f*cking ancestor of this.  They can all suck a bag of irradiated, arsenic-laced dicks.
 
2013-02-19 03:44:28 PM

Maud Dib: 2wolves: Freeper Friday already?

Zero Derp-Thirty.


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2013-02-19 03:44:42 PM

DamnYankees: Lionel Mandrake: I'd like to see who changed their votes from "yes sequester" to "sequester BAAAAD!", too.  On both sides.

Well, this isn't necessarily fair. You can think the sequester was a good thing to vote for at the time given the alternative, but still think its a bad idea in general now.


You can and should.  The sequester was designed to be bad.  That was the whole point.  To enact a default situation that's so bad that it forces both sides to compromise.  Everyone agreed from the beginning allowing sequestration to occur would be bad.  You want to find the real assholes, find the people who agreed in the beginning allowing sequestration to happen would be really bad and yet are unwilling to compromise now.  Those are the people who are knowingly allowing bad shiat to happen to the country.
 
2013-02-19 03:44:51 PM
Yes, Obama signed the sequester bill. After the House and Senate both passed it. So they share the blame for starting it equally.

But IIRC, that bill said something about putting together a supercommittee, which then failed. Which means the House & Senate are responsible for not stopping it.
 
2013-02-19 03:45:49 PM
The man honestly thought he wasn't working with retards willing to shoot themselves in both feet and comically fall backwards in to a cactus.
 
2013-02-19 03:46:06 PM

HMS_Blinkin: cman: Why do people keep submitting this bullshiat?

Look.

This is Fark. Take your circle jerking back from whence thou camest. We post trolly headlines all day long to start flamewars and pay for  Drew's beer.


It's politics man, it's bullshiat by default
 
2013-02-19 03:46:59 PM

lennavan: You want to find the real assholes, find the people who agreed in the beginning allowing sequestration to happen would be really bad and yet are unwilling to compromise now.


Gee, I wonder who that is.
 
2013-02-19 03:47:01 PM
Party above Country GOP.......
 
2013-02-19 03:49:28 PM

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: tenpoundsofcheese: Why all the whining?

Doesn't the sequester just cut the growth in government spending, not the baseline of government spending?

NO.  It hits at the account level, which is present-year spending.  It's an actual cut.  If it hits, TRICARE, the military's healthcare system, runs out of money in August.


How do you reconcile that with the CBO chart which shows that even with the cuts, there is an increase in spending every year?  Is that chart wrong?
 
2013-02-19 03:54:27 PM
If someone on a political website/TV show is claiming that someone else's opinion (i.e. political standing) is absolutely wrong (without empirical evidence, that is), then it's not "fair and balanced."

That being said, how can someone look at a website like this and say to themselves: "yeah, all this stuff sounds about right."  Really?  Did they graduate from high school?
 
2013-02-19 03:54:39 PM

lennavan: DamnYankees: Lionel Mandrake: I'd like to see who changed their votes from "yes sequester" to "sequester BAAAAD!", too.  On both sides.

Well, this isn't necessarily fair. You can think the sequester was a good thing to vote for at the time given the alternative, but still think its a bad idea in general now.

You can and should.  The sequester was designed to be bad.  That was the whole point.  To enact a default situation that's so bad that it forces both sides to compromise.  Everyone agreed from the beginning allowing sequestration to occur would be bad.  You want to find the real assholes, find the people who agreed in the beginning allowing sequestration to happen would be really bad and yet are unwilling to compromise now.Those are the people who are knowingly allowing bad shiat to happen to the country.


The GOP?
 
2013-02-19 03:55:14 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: For those people who didn't RTFA, did you see the analysis by the CBO about these "savage" cuts.

(chart at the end)

OMG, I can't believe that anyone would let this happen!

I am with 0bama on this one, those reductions in the growth of government would completely destroy everything.


Did you just void the warranty on my sarcasm meter, or did I just suffer an eppileptic episode because your were partially serious?

Either way, well done.
 
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