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(News14)   John McCain, who was himself tortured in Vietnam, says torturing Saddam would be beneath America   (rdu.news14.com) divider line 461
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2003-12-17 10:48:58 AM
props to john.
 
2003-12-17 10:56:31 AM
Was, John. Was.
 
2003-12-17 10:58:10 AM
I would vote for that Farker ten times if he were to run for president again.
 
2003-12-17 11:00:03 AM
Hero tag well deserved. Oh, and DarthG?

My family fled to this country because of who my grandfather was. My grandfather's brother wasn't so lucky and was shot in the head, execution-style, in the street in broad daylight. Despite some of the laws passed since 9/11, this country is still the best place in the free world. I may not agree with some of the laws, but if you think this country is so terrible, move to Canada.

/obvious
 
2003-12-17 11:07:38 AM
Sigh...McCain should be president now...not Bush.
 
2003-12-17 11:13:18 AM
He would have been but for the two party system. A lot of dems would have voted for him.
 
2003-12-17 11:23:19 AM
I ended up voting for Nader, cause I felt like he was the only one with enough balls not to lie to me.
I'd vote for McCain in a heartbeat for the very same reason.

He is the man.
 
2003-12-17 11:23:47 AM
Dashiki,

Thanks for your perspective. Too many Americans think that they have something to biatch about without ever opening their eyes to see how well they are living. McCain has served our country in the past and continues to do so, my hat is off to him regardless of what I think about his political views (agree with some, disagree with others).Isn't that the American way?
 
2003-12-17 11:35:04 AM
Man I REALLY wish McCain was the one the repubs picked to run last time. I would have voted for a rebublican.
 
2003-12-17 11:42:35 AM
Neither Gore or Bush were my choices in the primary. I never got over the PMRC bullshiat with Gore and I always liked McCain.
 
2003-12-17 11:54:19 AM
I do so wish he would change parties and run for president.
 
2003-12-17 12:07:13 PM
I was really surprised last year when Alan Dershowitz(big time liberal lawyer) came out in favor of torture in certain circumstances. I agree with the liberal lawyer on this one.

Example: If there is a nuclear bomb about to go off do you torture the guy to find out where.
The example is extreme but valid
 
2003-12-17 12:07:53 PM
Bush also says that we should not/will not torture Saddam (or anyone else).
 
2003-12-17 12:08:22 PM
Thank god! Initially I thought it said 'benefit' intstead of 'beneath'
 
2003-12-17 12:10:08 PM
How I wish McCain got the nomination for the 2000 election.... oh, how I wish.
 
2003-12-17 12:16:19 PM
McCain vs. Bradley. Could've lived with either one.
 
2003-12-17 12:20:56 PM
Chalk me up as another one who would have voted for McCain had he gotten the Repub nomination in 2000. He's much more conservative than the type of candidates I would typically vote for, but I think he's an honest and respectable man, which is more than you can say about any of the major parties' presidential candidates over the last several elections.
 
2003-12-17 12:26:53 PM
He hasn't seen enough episodes of 24, has he?
 
2003-12-17 01:01:54 PM
Yep, McCain, while a hothead, would definitely have gotten my vote.
 
2003-12-17 02:43:21 PM
Everybody should write in John McCain. The world (or at least the country) would be a better place.
 
2003-12-17 02:59:16 PM
As someone who votes for anyone but Republicans (Greens, Libertarians, and Democrats), McCain is the only Republican I would vote for.
 
2003-12-17 03:35:21 PM
"Hero"? should be "Obvious"

This reminds me of that Chris Rock comedy special, about how people expect some special recognition for some shiat they were SUPPOSED to do. "I take care of my kids".

No shiat he shouldn't be tortured...it's torture for christs sake!
 
2003-12-17 04:45:33 PM
McCain had the Bush campaign on the ropes.

Rove resurrected Bush's campaign by sending Dubya to South Carolina to visit Jim Jones University. The subsequent flap over Bush's visit gave Bush the attention he needed from fundamentalist Christians.

And that's how Jesus got Bush the nomination.
 
2003-12-17 06:32:50 PM
Control: That, and Rove's dirty trick that he pulled against McCain in South Carolina. After McCain's surprise victory over Chimp-Boy in the New Hampshire's primary, the Bush campaign called a bunch of white Republican voters and, pretending to take an opinion poll, asked those voters what they thought of McCain. Those who expressed a positive view were asked a follow-up question, something like: "Would it affect your view of McCain if you were to learn that he had fathered an African-American child out of wedlock?" Note that it didn't say he had fathered an illegitimate black daughter, but that was certainly the implication. And, of course, while any such implication was complete bullshiat, McCain and his wife have an adopted daughter from Bangladesh, so when the voters saw the pictures of them, those who received the calls assumed that what they had been asked about was true, and told their friends and neighbors. And in Strom Thurmond's home state of South Carolina, allegations about a white guy cavortin' with the colored folk go over like a turd in a punch bowl, so Dubya was able to overtake McCain in the state. And that changed the momentum nationwide in Bush's favor.

So it's probably just as accurate to say that Rove's dirty tricks got Bush the nomination.
 
2003-12-17 06:58:19 PM
You say Rove's dirty tricks. I say God's will.
 
2003-12-17 07:05:27 PM
I adore mccain. I seriously would have voted for him.
 
2003-12-17 07:08:33 PM
Bush and Rove performed other dirty tricks during the Bob Jones University visit. They showed the McCain POW film and tough talking Bush blathered that McCain was a traitor. It seems to have impressed the soccer moms NASCAR dads who love Bush's frat boy swagger.


Click here.
 
2003-12-17 07:25:47 PM
The above is not the best link, but the Bush campaign did begin questioning McCain's actions in Vietnam after Dubya fell behind in the primaries.
 
2003-12-17 07:50:50 PM
Would it be considered torture to make Saddam stand in line at the DMV for eight hours every day for the next 40 years?
 
2003-12-17 07:58:58 PM
Re: The case for torture

-Should be used under extreme circumstances, i.e. where time is short.

-Keep it illegal. That way, if someone decides TO torture, their decision will be weighed later, and they will be responsible if it was extreme. If it was legal, it would be far too much power for people to handle and it would get out of control.

-If you're going to do something which breaks the social contract and admit to it, you gotta accept the fact you might get a beatin'.

-Employ super hot dominatrices.
 
2003-12-17 10:49:49 PM
McCain is indeed a good guy... but for all of you people babbling about this comment of his being an indication of him being a hero... that's nuts.

Saying something like this is exactly the crap we all hate about politicans... taking the obvious and easy and making a big deal about it.

Who in the American political arena would actually suggest torturing Saddam-- or anyone?

It takes balls to come out and make a real, honest, logical stand on something that may not be politically popular.
 
2003-12-17 11:18:58 PM
downstairs:
I'd be willing to bet that if you ask the midwest and south of America, you'd find a bunch of people completely down for torturing the bastard. By even questioning the gloating administration right now, he's making a ballsy move.. at least politically.
 
2003-12-17 11:26:38 PM
While I do agree with McCain's statement there I also agree with people when they say "murder is wrong" and "don't steal." It's not like he is going out on a limb against what everyone else is saying here. And as for the whole him being President thing, Bush is a horrible president. McCain would have made an equally horrible president, just in a slightly different flavor. Gore as well would have made a horrible president. I don't see why anyone likes McCain. He talks about pork barrel spending but targets only a very small amount of the pork that gets passed through congress. And he has even inflated the government greatly with the McCain Feigngold Campaign Finance Reform Act, a set of laws that greatly increase government's power voer citizens' ability to be involved with the election process, limits free speech, and appears to have been designed with the main intention oy insuring that the incumbent remains in office by undermining the challengers ability to campaign, especially third parties.
 
2003-12-18 02:19:30 AM
I think we all know who to blame for this: Bill Clinton.
 
2003-12-18 05:46:07 AM
When did we ever say we were going to torture Saddam? Why doesn't he just say we shouldn't legalize prostitution too, cause that ain't going to happen either.
 
2003-12-18 05:47:00 AM
Sigh... I still wish he'd won the primary. I'm one of the many Republicans who's getting farking sick of Bush.
 
2003-12-18 05:47:57 AM
I only hope he will run again in 2008.
 
2003-12-18 05:54:03 AM
I misread that as "touched himself in Vietnam".

/hell
 
2003-12-18 06:00:56 AM
maintaining the dignity of captured prisoners in wartime is not, and has not been the forte of American Forces. He and others need to remind "us" of the right thing to do in such cases as this.

VOE
 
2003-12-18 06:01:25 AM
I think a lot of you are missing the point here. Fairly confidently, it can be said the guy has been there, and I commend him for speaking out against the practice.

Politically motivated or not (and I think probably not..is he up for re-election for anything?), the guy has earned his right to rub those who would advocate this in all but the most extreme of situations (I think we can all agree on the earlier said situtaions on this thread) like it's a pile of shiat they just dropped on the carpet, smack them with a moral newspaper, and say, "NO!"
 
2003-12-18 06:07:33 AM
TheOmni

While I do agree with McCain's statement there I also agree with people when they say "murder is wrong" and "don't steal." It's not like he is going out on a limb against what everyone else is saying here.

You put up a good argument for that. My personal take on it is that this is something that's a little more grey. If we got Osama tommorow, how many Americans would be all about toothpicks under his fingernails until he spoke up. Would we be doing the right thing? Probably not....Would it be justified in the eyes in a good percentage of this country? Definatly.

This comment is a bit preemptive, but especially after Hussein was captured, it's a good one to make, imho.

I can't speak for his politics. I don't follow the guy to be honest. This statement struck me as very poignant though.
 
2003-12-18 06:11:11 AM
I hope the trolls that come out in favor of torture have a sister or brother captured in a hot spot where hilarity could ensue. Wake up call for oh...6:30
 
2003-12-18 06:13:48 AM
McCain told NBC's "Today" show that information gained through torture is unreliable and that such tactics are beneath the kind of nation America is.

Translation: Some NBC talking head asked him an utterly obvious question, like, "Do you think it's okay to torture Saddam Hussein?"

His answer isn't politically motivated, but I'm sure he'd much rather have answered, "What, are you stupid? Tafark kinda question is that?"
 
2003-12-18 06:14:50 AM
The saddest thing is that he probably won't live long enough to run 2008.

I really wished this guy was the Prez...he's so against special interests, believes in campaign reform...man I love this guy.

If I could have lunch with 3 people it would be John McCain, Jesus and John Wooden.
 
2003-12-18 06:17:00 AM
What's this shiat about making a deal with Saddam? Is that really a danger? Listen, I'm an expert because I watch every episode of every Law and Order -- twice. You only make deals to get the bigger fish. Saddam is at the top. Who juicier is he going to give up?

Oh, wait, I bet I know. Bush still has that little problem that no weapons of mass destruction have been found, and Bush has an election he needs to win. So yeah, that's far more important. Cut Saddam a break if he tells us where they are hidden.

As for the torture angle... "Ve know you gots de veapons of vass destruction. You tell us vhere they are, ve turn off the Justin Timberlake and let you sleep."
 
2003-12-18 06:18:29 AM
Perhaps they should ask Jane Fonda's opinion.

/flamebait
 
2003-12-18 06:20:01 AM

Torturing Saddam would not be right, but it would be just. Does that make sense?

We couldn't torture Saddam Hussein enough to make him pay for all the anguish, grief, and suffering he has caused his people - the human body just can't take that kind of punishment and remain functional. Except for when we butchered his sons and put their rotting corpses on public display - I hope that made him SUFFER.

Personally, I think the johnnie-come-latelies in the UN and Europe can f*ck right off about trying him in an international court, because they were profiting from their dealings with his evil regime. He should be tried by the people of Iraq, and receive whatever sentence they give him.

McCain? I don't trust him. Just a gut feeling...

 
2003-12-18 06:20:05 AM
I imagine if you ask for Jane Fonda's opinion, she would say that Ted Turner had a small one.
 
2003-12-18 06:23:42 AM
weave

Who juicier is he going to give up?

Not always so. What about his execution? Does he want to be drawn and quartered in the middle of Baghdad? Or does he want lethal injection? How about all of the money he's hidden? Does it all go to Shiites, or can he leave some of it to his family?

There's things that can be done that he cares about. Heck, we could sell parts of his body for people to crap on. You never know.
 
2003-12-18 06:26:37 AM
Liberals torture me daily with their political consipiracy theories and blame America for everything attitudes. Torture Saddam.
 
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