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(Ann Arbor News)   The brothers of ΠΚΑ, Michigan chapter, in order to invite some ladies over for a party, took this totally-heterosexual photo that they're now scrambling to explain   (annarbor.com) divider line 182
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2013-02-19 01:53:37 PM

HaywoodJablonski: Nu Tau Tau Alpha Psi Psi Tau


Psi isn't a 'W,' psi is a ps
 
2013-02-19 01:55:28 PM

Diogenes: Putting aside whether there's anything wrong with the picture, that statement is just fall-down dumb.


They are frat boys after all ...

/or 'rent a friend' as we used to call them
//not the brightest tools in the shed
 
2013-02-19 01:55:58 PM
The gay part isn't the photograph, it's how they organized from worst bodies (outside) to best bodies (inside) and balanced out left and right, with a black guy in the middle for interest.
 
2013-02-19 01:56:13 PM
Frats were looked down upon where I went to school. They really hated it on "wear your frat t shirt day"  when we would ask them about the goofy letters on their shirt and if they were in the math or physics club. Yeah, we were juvenile.
 
2013-02-19 01:58:09 PM
This looks 100% harmless, and those guys are pretty cute.  Especially among Greek orgs, I have no idea why this is somehow scandalous.
 
2013-02-19 01:58:21 PM
Posing naked with some other guys doesn't make them gay any more than posing with a guy doing a black power salute makes them Australian.
 
2013-02-19 01:58:34 PM
According to the post on brobible.com, the fraternity's social chair said he didn't expect "every frat and sorority to get their hands" on the email.

 Son, why don't you have a seat while we explain this internet-y thing to you...
 
2013-02-19 01:58:39 PM

gingerjet: 'rent a friend' as we used to call them


because thats all you got from dues.  Not sponsored trips to Cabo for all members, better and cheaper living, better meal plans with contracted caterers, or anything
 
2013-02-19 01:59:26 PM
Daaaang... those bros look GOOD.

is there a problem here?
 
2013-02-19 01:59:48 PM
I don't know which is more tiresome: the people who describe shirtless guys as "semi nude" or the people who whine "b-b-but that's the FLAG!"
 
2013-02-19 02:02:55 PM
'cause they're classy.
 
2013-02-19 02:03:28 PM

mccallcl: The gay part isn't the photograph, it's how they organized from worst bodies (outside) to best bodies (inside) and balanced out left and right, with a black guy in the middle for interest.


The best-looking, coolest people are always front and center.  No corporation is sending awkward, unattractive dorks out on sales calls.  These kids are learning what they need to get ahead in corporate America.
 
2013-02-19 02:04:19 PM

fireclown: Tyrosine: How is this an issue to anyone?

And for those of you upset about the use of the flag, I'd suggest that if you want it treated with dignity and respect start complaining about this crap:

[blogs.westword.com image 850x637]


I find this offensive, the articles should be removed immediately.  Please post a follow up picture so that I can verify compliance.

/thank you for your cooperation
 
2013-02-19 02:08:34 PM

Tyrosine: How is this an issue to anyone?

And for those of you upset about the use of the flag, I'd suggest that if you want it treated with dignity and respect start complaining about this crap:

[wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net image 625x417]


gshepnyc: I don't know which is more tiresome: the people who describe shirtless guys as "semi nude" or the people who whine "b-b-but that's the FLAG!"


Oh honestly.

a) Those aren't actual flags, just clothing that incorporates elements of the flag.
b) It's not an issue of indecency or flag-worship, it's about using a symbol of America in a trivial fashion.  If they'd phrased the invite as a parody of the preamble to the Constitution, I'd complain about that.
c) I'm not a flag-worshiper. Just use some sense when you appropriate a widely-used symbol for some other purpose.
 
2013-02-19 02:09:32 PM

JohnAnnArbor: stuhayes2010: How are they going to explain that black guy in their fraternity?

Um, the issue is usually the opposite: black guy in non-black fraternity risks ostracism by other black people on campus.


And you know this because of all of the black-on-black conversations that you're privy too as an honorary black guy, right? Or, do you have one black friend who works as a mole in the black community so that he can give you weekly updates?
 
2013-02-19 02:11:42 PM

ben_reddy: fireclown: Tyrosine: How is this an issue to anyone?

And for those of you upset about the use of the flag, I'd suggest that if you want it treated with dignity and respect start complaining about this crap:

[blogs.westword.com image 850x637]

I find this offensive, the articles should be removed immediately.  Please post a follow up picture so that I can verify compliance.

/thank you for your cooperation


Can I help?

eyemdope.com
 
2013-02-19 02:12:40 PM
Yes, make sure to keep insinuating that they're gay as a funny way of insulting them. But don't forget to get all outraged in another thread when someone uses a gay slur.

Defensive much?

This might be a bit subtle for you, if it seems complex, try reading it a second time: The "gay frat guy" thing is funny because frat boys are famous for acting in "hyper-masculine" ways. When there's evidence that this behavior is compensation for suppressed homosexual impulses, we are amused. We are not laughing at their "gayness", but at their clownish attempts to cover this gayness with absurd hetero-theatricals.

Straight-up gay slurs get condemned because that's just hate speech, and the answer to hate speech is more speech.

Do you understand now?

See what I did there?



Yes, I did! You took your frayed reasoning and tied it into a convoluted knot. I hope you didn't hurt yourself!
 
2013-02-19 02:13:47 PM

Akabander: doubled99: Yes, make sure to keep insinuating that they're gay as a funny way of insulting them. But don't forget to get all outraged in another thread when someone uses a gay slur.

Defensive much?

This might be a bit subtle for you, if it seems complex, try reading it a second time: The "gay frat guy" thing is funny because frat boys are famous for acting in "hyper-masculine" ways. When there's evidence that this behavior is compensation for suppressed homosexual impulses, we are amused. We are not laughing at their "gayness", but at their clownish attempts to cover this gayness with absurd hetero-theatricals.

Straight-up gay slurs get condemned because that's just hate speech, and the answer to hate speech is more speech.

Do you understand now?

See what I did there?


Yeah. You justified your gay slurs (which in most other cases are bad) by pretending stereotypes apply to all fraternities.
 
2013-02-19 02:16:07 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: JohnAnnArbor: stuhayes2010: How are they going to explain that black guy in their fraternity?

Um, the issue is usually the opposite: black guy in non-black fraternity risks ostracism by other black people on campus.

And you know this because of all of the black-on-black conversations that you're privy too as an honorary black guy, right? Or, do you have one black friend who works as a mole in the black community so that he can give you weekly updates?


Observation.  No, it's not universal.  Maybe it's changed in 20 years (that would be a good thing).
 
2013-02-19 02:17:25 PM
Of the all the retarded nonsense that frats do every year, THIS is what causes the hubbub?
 
2013-02-19 02:22:53 PM
"The office of Greek life just learned about the photos today," Fitzgerald said. "We need to let the office of Greek life deal with it."

He said "rape" twice.  Office rape, at that.
 
2013-02-19 02:23:54 PM
I don't think anyone is seeing the bigger picture here. The guys are simply saying "top this" hoping to get a group of the Alpha Phi ladies to show the full monty.

Anyone know what was Alpha Phi's response?
 
2013-02-19 02:27:20 PM
Anti-frat fraternity guy here. Met my eventual wife freshman year, so I didn't get to bang anyone other than her through college (sigh), but I certainly wasn't drugging sorority girls and making amateur sextapes with them, or having greasy gay orgies with my other "bros"; those kinds of things are difficult when you don't have a house on campus. However, as the scholastic chair, I managed to get our chapter's GPA not only #1 among Greeks, but within a hair's breadth of getting the entire chapter Dean's Listed for the year, something which had never happened in the school's 100+ year history of Greek organizations. (goddammitsomuch John, you should have stayed at Vanderbilt so you could have flunked out there instead). Needless to say, we weren't a "typical" Greek organization.

We spent more time playing video games, studying, working, and conducting what we called "science terrorism" (blowing up oil drums with dry ice bombs, flooding the campus fountains with super-foaming agents, etc) than any sort of stereotypical "frat" activities. We drank a lot, sure, who doesn't in college?

I understand why people use the term "frat", as it has cultural traction, but members calling our group that was a great way to get on everyone's shiat list really quickly. I was never in a "frat". I was in a fraternity.
 
2013-02-19 02:27:45 PM

Harry Freakstorm: Second from the Right: Something is poking me again
Fourth from the Right: If he leans back, I'll be able to poke him again.
Third from the Left: Think unsexy thoughts. Think unsexy thoughts.


Third from the right: I CAME
 
2013-02-19 02:34:44 PM

grinding_journalist: I understand why people use the term "frat", as it has cultural traction, but members calling our group that was a great way to get on everyone's shiat list really quickly. I was never in a "frat". I was in a fraternity.


lighten up francis.

I didn't go to a big school, but we got our GPA far above student average and ranked nationally in the top ten for our fraternity.  We also had better diversity percentages than our school, who gave free rides to "inner city kids" just to help their numbers.  I'm fine with being called a frat, but the stigma has to end.  People who use it sound like idiots to me.
 
2013-02-19 02:35:54 PM

grinding_journalist: We spent more time playing video games, studying, working, and conducting what we called "science terrorism" (blowing up oil drums with dry ice bombs, flooding the campus fountains with super-foaming agents, etc) than any sort of stereotypical "frat" activities. We drank a lot, sure, who doesn't in college?


Vandalism IS a stereotypical "frat" activity.
 
2013-02-19 02:39:32 PM
i.imgur.com

One is a perfectly normal way to pose for a sexy photo... the other is EEW GAY LOL.

Funny ol' world, in'it?
 
2013-02-19 02:41:55 PM
I think these guys should be proud. Their picture was rather tasteful, their invitation was funny. Nothing is going to entice the ladies to party with more than a sense of humor about the whole thing.

And really, I was expecting the picture much worse. Something more along the lines of "let's send the girls complimentary donuts in the morning, and then send 'me photos of our 'ring toss' in the afternoon."
 
2013-02-19 02:46:20 PM
www.brobible.com

At first I was thinking, not this shiat again, but then I followed the link to the source article that had the full image.

Placed in context with all the other photos and the accompanying email invite, it is clear that they were inviting a sorority to an American Flag themed party, and they were attempting to be amusing. I think they were kind of successful.

In my opinion, the only thing people should be asking is why the Office of Greek Life is investigating this?  Even if you don't find the humor in this, and even if you hate fraternities, why shouldn't this be protected free speech?
 
2013-02-19 02:46:54 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: JohnAnnArbor: stuhayes2010: How are they going to explain that black guy in their fraternity?

Um, the issue is usually the opposite: black guy in non-black fraternity risks ostracism by other black people on campus.

And you know this because of all of the black-on-black conversations that you're privy too as an honorary black guy, right? Or, do you have one black friend who works as a mole in the black community so that he can give you weekly updates?


I am shocked that "I Have A Black Friend" isn't somebody's alt.
 
2013-02-19 02:53:52 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: DROxINxTHExWIND: JohnAnnArbor: stuhayes2010: How are they going to explain that black guy in their fraternity?

Um, the issue is usually the opposite: black guy in non-black fraternity risks ostracism by other black people on campus.

And you know this because of all of the black-on-black conversations that you're privy too as an honorary black guy, right? Or, do you have one black friend who works as a mole in the black community so that he can give you weekly updates?

I am shocked that "I Have A Black Friend" isn't somebody's alt.


I would go with 'your one black friend'
 
2013-02-19 02:56:28 PM

JeffreyScott: In my opinion, the only thing people should be asking is why the Office of Greek Life is investigating this? Even if you don't find the humor in this, and even if you hate fraternities, why shouldn't this be protected free speech?


If the organization had to be chartered through the Office of Greek Life, they undoubtedly signed some code of conduct, which their members then agreed to. It's within the office's power to investigate possible breeches of that contract and act within it, up to, I assume, revocation of their charter and any privileges official recognitions associated with it.

You're more than free to willingly enter into contracts that place penalties on certain speech.
 
2013-02-19 02:56:48 PM

TelemonianAjax: Dammit guys, this is why we cant have nice things.

/I'm a past president of my Pike chapter
//majored in phil, slept with 2 women in college.
///2 Pike houses have killed pledges in my state in the last few years


Phil didn't get jealous of the women?
 
2013-02-19 03:05:40 PM

ActionFigure: They are not revealing anything more than Larry Bird revealed in his 80s era basketball shorts


Indeed.  Heck, as far as we know they could be wearing shorts behind that flag.  Not my preferred 'waist to just above the knees' ones, but my stupid PT uniform shorts would be small enough.  Of course, those things cover less than boxers...

I'd be more upset at the use of the US Flag, but even then I'm pretty much 'meh'.
 
2013-02-19 03:13:06 PM
I bet that picture was taken right before a good ole fashioned game of 'Soggy Biscuit'.
 
2013-02-19 03:14:23 PM
What about all the Top Shelf?
 
2013-02-19 03:22:13 PM

Rapmaster2000: There are 3 guys in my frat out of like 70 that I now know as gay, but it's been like 5 years since I've talked to any of them.

After we graduated ('99), this one guy decided to finally just be gay, which led to some hilarious conversations.  Someone in denial told me "he's not gay, he just likes to go to gay bars."

Another bro wanted to have an intervention.  He kept saying, "We just need to talk some sense into him."

I'm not sure why anyone cared.  It was 15 years ago (and Indiana), so that's probably part of it.


You like like.
 
2013-02-19 03:28:24 PM

ProfessorOhki: JeffreyScott: In my opinion, the only thing people should be asking is why the Office of Greek Life is investigating this? Even if you don't find the humor in this, and even if you hate fraternities, why shouldn't this be protected free speech?

If the organization had to be chartered through the Office of Greek Life, they undoubtedly signed some code of conduct, which their members then agreed to. It's within the office's power to investigate possible breeches of that contract and act within it, up to, I assume, revocation of their charter and any privileges official recognitions associated with it.

You're more than free to willingly enter into contracts that place penalties on certain speech.


The University of Michigan is a state university.  As such the university would be prohibited from interfering with a student's constitutionally protected freedom of speech.  Treating them different than other student's would violate constutional equal protection and freedom of association principals.
 
2013-02-19 03:33:12 PM

Lollipop165: They whole point of these pics were an invitation to a sorority.


NOW they are. Before they were just some idea Todd thought up while fantasizing about how to better bro-rape his frat mates.

Bro-rape. Beware the Dave Mathews music and backpack filled with dildos.
 
2013-02-19 03:33:35 PM

JeffreyScott: ProfessorOhki: JeffreyScott: In my opinion, the only thing people should be asking is why the Office of Greek Life is investigating this? Even if you don't find the humor in this, and even if you hate fraternities, why shouldn't this be protected free speech?

If the organization had to be chartered through the Office of Greek Life, they undoubtedly signed some code of conduct, which their members then agreed to. It's within the office's power to investigate possible breeches of that contract and act within it, up to, I assume, revocation of their charter and any privileges official recognitions associated with it.

You're more than free to willingly enter into contracts that place penalties on certain speech.

The University of Michigan is a state university.  As such the university would be prohibited from interfering with a student's constitutionally protected freedom of speech.  Treating them different than other student's would violate constutional equal protection and freedom of association principals.


That didn't stop them from trying in the 1990s.  They tried to set up a student code that allowed people to complain about speech.  Tribunals were secret; no counsel allowed for "defense," I believe.  The Supreme Court had to smack them down.
 
2013-02-19 03:37:47 PM
That's the rape fraternity, in case you were wondering. And I wonder how many of them get the one black glove upraised as a fist reference?
 
2013-02-19 03:40:39 PM
i229.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-19 03:43:53 PM

weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 336x600]

One is a perfectly normal way to pose for a sexy photo... the other is EEW GAY LOL.

Funny ol' world, in'it?


Would it have killed them to find an African American man to stand in for the African American woman? Also, to find guys not covered in tattoo's visible to the picture? Gods, who took that photo? Doesn't that photographer realize just how difficult it is to fap to, when it's so poorly put together in comparison to the original?

/What?
//Oh, farkberries...
 
2013-02-19 03:51:50 PM

weltallica: One is a perfectly normal way to pose for a sexy photo... the other is EEW GAY LOL.


I suspect that's subjective.  I'm guessing that there are a few farkers what enjoy the second pic.

As for me, they both look gay.  It's just that the top one is the gay that I enjoy.  The other one, not my thing.
 
2013-02-19 03:56:27 PM

Tyrosine: How is this an issue to anyone?

And for those of you upset about the use of the flag, I'd suggest that if you want it treated with dignity and respect start complaining about this crap:

[wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net image 625x417]


The photos: meh...they're fit and they wanted the ladies to know it

The flag: anyone old enough to remember the Bicentennial looks at that and does a double meh.

/next question!
 
2013-02-19 04:02:03 PM
All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.
 
2013-02-19 04:12:38 PM

thecpt: I'm fine with being called a frat, but the stigma has to end.


FFS.  You can deal with it.  Trust me.

SO was in a frat.  He went to a tiny private school in the middle of nowhere.  The other guys in his frat were generally pretty awesome, and it the *only* way he could live off campus (besides some lame senior lottery iirc).

However, he doesn't really give a damn if I call it a frat, nor if I blare the horn and flick off the douchebags in our town who belong to the same frat when they spill their Saturday pre-game pre-party into the middle of the five lane street and I have to f--king get to work.  Because they do, indeed, suck in our current town.  And because it wasn't his life and didn't encompass every damn important college experience.
 
2013-02-19 04:12:46 PM
beerrun: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.


I'm not sure herpes and HIV are 'relationships'.

/Preparation H might help the butthurt.
//thank you, sir! may I have another?
 
2013-02-19 04:17:19 PM

porcupine tree: I bet that picture was taken right before a good ole fashioned game of 'Soggy Biscuit'.


Sponge Cookie?

Yeah, fact of the matter is that closeted or not, these boys will have misogynistic sex with the sorority babes who don't really want to fark the guys because, while they're cute and what not, they're macho, selfish assholes. Then again, these guys will probably be financially secure and very useful in buying that house in [well heeled suburb of your choice] and allowing her use that Communications degree to "experience" being a mother to 2.5 children. Then she can enjoy battles for SUV status and PTA Supremacy with the other Suburban Housewives with Communications degrees. And they'll all enjoy their Xanax and vibrators and have angry, misogynistic sex with their Corporate Husbands.

It's the sacrifice you make, you know, for your kids.
 
2013-02-19 04:19:48 PM

mbillips: I wonder how many of them get the one black glove upraised as a fist reference?


You mean, in some sense other than Black Power? Because if they're not trying to be X-treme Ironical, I don't know why they'd have that in there.
 
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