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2013-02-19 12:57:05 PM
I dunno, I kinda just assume that if the Feds wanted to violate my rights they'll do it whenever they want.  I don't get a say in any of it and if I biatch about it, I'll end up in jail.
 
2013-02-19 01:02:26 PM
The whole "expectation of privacy" thing gets cloudy when you're using a BROADCAST DEVICE, but I'm not a lawyer.
 
2013-02-19 01:09:38 PM

MrBallou: The whole "expectation of privacy" thing gets cloudy when you're using a BROADCAST DEVICE, but I'm not a lawyer.


I don't even get that far.  between the war on drugs and the war on terror, my baseline assumption is that my phones are tapped, my emails are tracked and my bank accounts are monitored by everyone from the DEA to the TSA and beyond.  I just kind of assume I don't have the 4th or 5th amendment to protect me anymore...if the fedgov wants to dig into my life, they'll do it and they'll use it against me.  I don't get to complain, I can't stop it and if I don't like it well...too bad.
 
2013-02-19 01:20:01 PM

Weaver95: MrBallou: The whole "expectation of privacy" thing gets cloudy when you're using a BROADCAST DEVICE, but I'm not a lawyer.

I don't even get that far.  between the war on drugs and the war on terror, my baseline assumption is that my phones are tapped, my emails are tracked and my bank accounts are monitored by everyone from the DEA to the TSA and beyond.  I just kind of assume I don't have the 4th or 5th amendment to protect me anymore...if the fedgov wants to dig into my life, they'll do it and they'll use it against me.  I don't get to complain, I can't stop it and if I don't like it well...too bad.


Agreed. The panic after 9/11 greased the slippery slope, but we've been on it a long time. I always assume somebody is watching, but I live in DC, so it's almost certainly true.

F*ck Hoover, yes, go ahead.
 
2013-02-19 01:34:34 PM
As long as they get warrants they're all good. If they don't, good luck using that or any evidence derived from it in court.
 
2013-02-19 01:37:00 PM

b2theory: As long as they get warrants they're all good. If they don't, good luck using that or any evidence derived from it in court.


oh i'm sure they'll find a way to make it work.
 
2013-02-19 02:30:02 PM

Weaver95: b2theory: As long as they get warrants they're all good. If they don't, good luck using that or any evidence derived from it in court.

oh i'm sure they'll find a way to make it work.


Likely they'll argue inevitable discovery.
 
Ehh
2013-02-19 02:30:25 PM

b2theory: As long as they get warrants they're all good. If they don't, good luck using that or any evidence derived from it in court.


You know how those fussy liberal judges in Law and Order toss out the warrant application because scruple, furrowing Jack McCoy's brow? Battlestar Galactica is more realistic.
 
2013-02-19 02:31:10 PM

Weaver95: b2theory: As long as they get warrants they're all good. If they don't, good luck using that or any evidence derived from it in court.

oh i'm sure they'll find a way to make it work.


Back dating? It's really not that hard.
 
2013-02-19 02:31:49 PM

Weaver95: b2theory: As long as they get warrants they're all good. If they don't, good luck using that or any evidence derived from it in court.

oh i'm sure they'll find a way to make it work.


we're talking about the same Administration that is gone through legal hurdles to make targeted drone attacks against US civilians legal
 
2013-02-19 02:33:31 PM
Thus my nick.
 
2013-02-19 02:33:50 PM
My "smart" phone cost me $9.88 at Wal-Mart and I paid in cash. The card was $22.04, so I was out the door for $30 and change.

These new phones have a 2--year contract at $1700 MINIMUM, and there are service charges on top of that.

They also want an automatic suction pump on your credit card, they get paid whether they deliver service or not.

Screw them.
 
2013-02-19 02:33:50 PM
The government has been listening in on our telephone conversations, you say?  For decades, you say? Please hold the line wilst I adorn myself in my constipated fictional British detective attire.
 
2013-02-19 02:38:12 PM

duffblue: Weaver95: b2theory: As long as they get warrants they're all good. If they don't, good luck using that or any evidence derived from it in court.

oh i'm sure they'll find a way to make it work.

we're talking about the same Administration that is gone through legal hurdles to make targeted drone attacks against US civilians legal


Two decades. We're talking about several administrations. Try to keep up.
 
2013-02-19 02:39:09 PM
I knew about it subby. Some of us listened to Art Bell back in the 90's.
 
2013-02-19 02:39:40 PM
FBI HQ:
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-19 02:40:01 PM
Had someone at work who'd read an article on some fringe website that the US was going to start "chipping" people in the very near future, for tracking, amongst other purposes.

I replied: "Why would the gov't spend billions of dollars and risk being seen as an authoritarian overlord when someone behind a desk at the CIA or FBI can locate you to within a few feet of your current location at any time with a few keystrokes, read your email, see who you've been calling, and checking how much cash you've got in the bank while they do it?"
 
2013-02-19 02:40:21 PM
MrBallou:

I always assume somebody is watching, but I live in DC, so it's almost certainly true.

You're probably not that interesting, and there's a pretty high bar even for the people they *do* watch.

CS,B in point: in the mid-00's I used to be housemate with a guy who had high-level clearance at both State and DOD... He had a habit of picking up strippers who would then move in with us, and after a few weeks they'd get in a screaming argument and run off (usually after stealing something of mine, dammit!)

This cycle happened 3-4 times while I was there. There was never any problem until the day the stripper-du-jour ran off and left a message on his personal cell phone mentioning there was a warrant out for her in another state.

The very next day he was called into the security office and they played the message back to him. When it became clear that he hadn't known stripperella had a warrant on her they dropped the matter.

So yeah... They have *always* had the ability to watch whomever they want. They just don't *care* 99.999999% of the time.
 
2013-02-19 02:42:16 PM

b2theory: As long as they get warrants they're all good. If they don't, good luck using that or any evidence derived from it in court.


The federal government doesn't need warrants anymore.
 
2013-02-19 02:44:20 PM

Red Shirt Blues: I knew about it subby. Some of us listened to Art Bell back in the 90's.


I am sorry
 
2013-02-19 02:46:21 PM

olddinosaur: My "smart" phone cost me $9.88 at Wal-Mart and I paid in cash. The card was $22.04, so I was out the door for $30 and change.

These new phones have a 2--year contract at $1700 MINIMUM, and there are service charges on top of that.

They also want an automatic suction pump on your credit card, they get paid whether they deliver service or not.

Screw them.


i have prepaid and a got a double-minutes tracfone for 10.00 and 400 (800) minutes of time for 80.00 three years ago and haven't paid for a phone since then.  The 'smart' phone providers and their contracts are a major-league shakedown.

If you don't want to be tracked, take the battery out until you need it.
 
2013-02-19 02:46:42 PM
It's for Federal use, not some local huckster P.D. So unless you're going to do something big, fuggedaboutit. All of you conspiracy theorists, know because they can, doesn't mean anyone cares about you little life. Just sayin' if you stay under the radar, there's no issue. Otherwise...
 
2013-02-19 02:50:44 PM

MrBallou: when you're using a BROADCAST DEVICE



Not that it matters to the FBI but it's not a broadcast device.
 
2013-02-19 02:50:58 PM

Cold_Sassy: If you don't want to be tracked, take the battery out until you need it.


Yeah....keep believing that. Have you looked closely at that collar on your dog? But I've said too much already.
 
2013-02-19 02:52:39 PM

citizenj: Thus my nick.


Hey Josh, how's it going, you still play battlefield?
 
2013-02-19 02:53:09 PM
Hurr Ron Paul or something...
 
2013-02-19 02:54:08 PM

grinding_journalist: I replied: "Why would the gov't spend billions of dollars and risk being seen as an authoritarian overlord when someone behind a desk at the CIA or FBI can locate you to within a few feet of your current location at any time with a few keystrokes,


It occurs to me that, as I currently have two phones (work, personal), of which I usually, but not always, carry both -- I could totally screw with that system by randomly changing up which phone I leave behind. I'm like a man with two clocks.
 
2013-02-19 02:57:33 PM

Red Shirt Blues: Cold_Sassy: If you don't want to be tracked, take the battery out until you need it.

Yeah....keep believing that. Have you looked closely at that collar on your dog? But I've said too much already.


Well then: Link

Knock yourself out.
 
2013-02-19 03:00:20 PM
www.criticalcommons.org
'The President's Analyst' came out in 1967.
And we're almost there.
 
2013-02-19 03:04:32 PM

Cold_Sassy: olddinosaur: My "smart" phone cost me $9.88 at Wal-Mart and I paid in cash. The card was $22.04, so I was out the door for $30 and change.

These new phones have a 2--year contract at $1700 MINIMUM, and there are service charges on top of that.

They also want an automatic suction pump on your credit card, they get paid whether they deliver service or not.

Screw them.

i have prepaid and a got a double-minutes tracfone for 10.00 and 400 (800) minutes of time for 80.00 three years ago and haven't paid for a phone since then.  The 'smart' phone providers and their contracts are a major-league shakedown.

If you don't want to be tracked, take the battery out until you need it.


Taking the battery out won't help. You do know that the little accelerometers in smart phones keep them in a low-power "always on" mode, much in the way that self winding watches are powered by you moving around during the course of the day.
 
2013-02-19 03:06:23 PM

b2theory: As long as they get warrants they're all good. If they don't, good luck using that or any evidence derived from it in court.


Like someone already referenced, you have no expectation of privacy for any transmissions you send out through the air. They'd only need a warrant if they wanted to physically claim your phone, but that's really not necessary since everything can be monitored without possessing it.

The way the handle these sorts of things is to not act on every little thing they hear about, because that would make it obvious to the public, and they'd stop sending private information through those means. They only move on the big things, and tell the media it was an anonymous tip or something, keeping the public oblivious.
 
2013-02-19 03:06:31 PM

neversubmit: citizenj: Thus my nick.

Hey Josh, how's it going, you still play battlefield?


Nope. Too busy studying for EMC IE and ISMv2.

My brain is leaking luns...
 
2013-02-19 03:07:03 PM
Why does it seem that the worst haters of the US Government think the Obama administration is the same as what Bush was doing, or that it's comparable to the ultra-conservative warhawk regime of the late 1960s?
 
2013-02-19 03:09:06 PM

neversubmit: citizenj: Thus my nick.

Hey Josh, how's it going, you still play battlefield?


However, if you want to play a quick online game of Go, I'm down like four flat tires.
 
2013-02-19 03:09:52 PM
The federal government can kill you with a drone whenever it wants... you think THIS is a big deal?
 
2013-02-19 03:12:06 PM

Weaver95: I dunno, I kinda just assume that if the Feds wanted to violate my rights they'll do it whenever they want.  I don't get a say in any of it and if I biatch about it, I'll end up in jail.


Kind of how I feel as well.  I hope/assume that I'm insignificant enough that they aren't going to waste any time on me, although I accept that if they wanted to there would be absolutely nothing I could do about it.
 
2013-02-19 03:14:59 PM

citizenj: neversubmit: citizenj: Thus my nick.

Hey Josh, how's it going, you still play battlefield?

Nope. Too busy studying for EMC IE and ISMv2.

My brain is leaking luns...


No more DJ stuff? Anyway my point is that nicks don't provide the safety they once might have btw do you still have that phone number that ends with 2830?
 
2013-02-19 03:15:51 PM
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grinding_journalist: I replied: "Why would the gov't spend billions of dollars and risk being seen as an authoritarian overlord when someone behind a desk at the CIA or FBI can locate you to within a few feet of your current location at any time with a few keystrokes,

It occurs to me that, as I currently have two phones (work, personal), of which I usually, but not always, carry both -- I could totally screw with that system by randomly changing up which phone I leave behind. I'm like a man with two clocks.


I'm pretty sure they can associate two phones with one person of interest and tell if one has moved lately.
Even easier, they just ask Google for your latest location. If you use any of the features of an Android phone and haven't locked it down tight, Google knows where you are all the time. I'm sure Apple is the same way.

And if *THAT* isn't enough, there's the fact that a lot of carriers run CarrierIQ on their phones, which records and uploads what apps you run., what cells you're in, and details on the calls you make.

So all this information has been available in various ways for the asking. Telecoms in particular don't seem to have a problem handing over info to the feds.
 
2013-02-19 03:16:00 PM
Oh, and you can bet they keep detailed records on as many citizens as possible, for your own safety, of course. Any of you could turn into a terrorist at any moment!
 
2013-02-19 03:16:09 PM

GanjSmokr: Weaver95: I dunno, I kinda just assume that if the Feds wanted to violate my rights they'll do it whenever they want.  I don't get a say in any of it and if I biatch about it, I'll end up in jail.

Kind of how I feel as well.  I hope/assume that I'm insignificant enough that they aren't going to waste any time on me, although I accept that if they wanted to there would be absolutely nothing I could do about it.


I understand the concerns, but the tech is there.   It's unrealistic not to use it.

If anything, the real concern is making sure that people who do get busted are given a fair trial, and that 4th Amendment rights are still upheld.
 
2013-02-19 03:17:55 PM
Now if you think you do have rights, one last assignment for you. Next time you're at the computer, get on the Internet, go to Wikipedia. When you get to Wikipedia, in the search field for Wikipedia, I want you to type in "Japanese Americans 1942″ and you'll find out all about your precious farking rights, Okay? All right. You know about it. In 1942, there were 110,000 Japanese American citizens in good standing, law-abiding people who were thrown into internment camps simply because their parents were born in the wrong country. That's all they did wrong. They had no right to a lawyer, no right to a fair trial, no right to a jury of their peers no right to due process of any kind. The only right they had: "Right this way" into the internment camps! Just when these American citizens needed their rights the most, their government took them away! And rights aren't rights if someone can take them away. They're privileges. That's all we've ever had in this country, is a bill of temporary privileges. And if you read the news even badly, you know that every year the list gets shorter and shorter.

-Carlin
 
2013-02-19 03:18:34 PM

GanjSmokr: Weaver95: I dunno, I kinda just assume that if the Feds wanted to violate my rights they'll do it whenever they want.  I don't get a say in any of it and if I biatch about it, I'll end up in jail.

Kind of how I feel as well.  I hope/assume that I'm insignificant enough that they aren't going to waste any time on me, although I accept that if they wanted to there would be absolutely nothing I could do about it.


that's my one saving grace out of all this crap - my life is boring.  so boring that I actually feel sorry for the poor dumb sonofabiatch who gets to sit down and comb through my cell phone records, text messages and emails.  esp since i'm the sort of person who likes to heavily encrypt his crock pot spaghetti recipe and email to random people i the middle east.  so not only am I boring, but i'm a time sink as well.  oh, and for the record, there is no law against encrypting computer viruses and emailing them as file attachments to blind drop email addresses.
 
2013-02-19 03:18:44 PM

neversubmit: citizenj: neversubmit: citizenj: Thus my nick.

Hey Josh, how's it going, you still play battlefield?

Nope. Too busy studying for EMC IE and ISMv2.

My brain is leaking luns...

No more DJ stuff? Anyway my point is that nicks don't provide the safety they once might have btw do you still have that phone number that ends with 2830?


That was you? My bad, I'm on a conf call for work. I'll get back to you.

DJ'ing 4/4 at Kasai if you wanna come out.

No, the nick comment was meant as an Orwellian/THX1138 joke.

Citizen J. Just claiming that one now before the gubmint assigns me a different one.
 
2013-02-19 03:26:04 PM

Weaver95: so boring that I actually feel sorry for the poor dumb sonofabiatch who gets to sit down and comb through my cell phone records, text messages and emails


It's all automated. Feel sorry for the people who had to do it manually in the early days of Project Echelon. None of this is a new development, it's just much more efficient now.
 
2013-02-19 03:26:28 PM

Ex-Texan: It's for Federal use, not some local huckster P.D. So unless you're going to do something big, fuggedaboutit. All of you conspiracy theorists, know because they can, doesn't mean anyone cares about you little life. Just sayin' if you stay under the radar, there's no issue. Otherwise...


Federal use only?

Aren't you adorable.
 
2013-02-19 03:28:09 PM

citizenj: neversubmit: citizenj: neversubmit: citizenj: Thus my nick.

Hey Josh, how's it going, you still play battlefield?

Nope. Too busy studying for EMC IE and ISMv2.

My brain is leaking luns...

No more DJ stuff? Anyway my point is that nicks don't provide the safety they once might have btw do you still have that phone number that ends with 2830?

That was you? My bad, I'm on a conf call for work. I'll get back to you.

DJ'ing 4/4 at Kasai if you wanna come out.

No, the nick comment was meant as an Orwellian/THX1138 joke.

Citizen J. Just claiming that one now before the gubmint assigns me a different one.


Sorry I didn't get the joke. That wasn't me on the phone a brief search of open dbs revealed your phone#, name, job, address, privacy is dead. Be safe everyone.
 
2013-02-19 03:28:49 PM
Stung was great in the eighties.

/Rooooooxannne
 
2013-02-19 03:33:51 PM

Rude Turnip: Cold_Sassy: olddinosaur: My "smart" phone cost me $9.88 at Wal-Mart and I paid in cash. The card was $22.04, so I was out the door for $30 and change.

These new phones have a 2--year contract at $1700 MINIMUM, and there are service charges on top of that.

They also want an automatic suction pump on your credit card, they get paid whether they deliver service or not.

Screw them.

i have prepaid and a got a double-minutes tracfone for 10.00 and 400 (800) minutes of time for 80.00 three years ago and haven't paid for a phone since then.  The 'smart' phone providers and their contracts are a major-league shakedown.

If you don't want to be tracked, take the battery out until you need it.

Taking the battery out won't help. You do know that the little accelerometers in smart phones keep them in a low-power "always on" mode, much in the way that self winding watches are powered by you moving around during the course of the day.



Heh, it is not a smartphone.  I already said in my Boobies what a hose-job those and their B.S. contracts, taxes and fees are.  I got better things to spend my money on.  (like dogbones and stuff ;)
 
2013-02-19 03:37:49 PM
I made a snarky post about the TSA and I got a txt from them saying "we'll steal your laptop for that, asshole! And speaking of your asshole, heh heh heh...."
 
2013-02-19 03:45:27 PM
Does this mean the FBI knows about all of the porn I look at on my phone so I can whack off in the bathroom without my wife knowing?

I'm really worried about this because I am concerned about civil rights and privacy laws and stuff like that.
 
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