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2013-02-19 11:09:27 AM
I love me some video games. But I have trouble calling anything I do in a video game as "bad ass".
 
2013-02-19 11:25:33 AM
The most worthwhile thing you can do with that game is not buy it.
 
2013-02-19 11:27:02 AM
What the hell does revengence even mean?
 
2013-02-19 11:28:38 AM
It's hard to be badass when your androgynous protagonist with a Christian Bale Batman voice wears high heeled platform shoes.
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2013-02-19 11:28:48 AM
Or you could read the game manual. When I hear "X badass things you can do" I expect stuff like easter eggs, mini-games, or stuff you couldn't normally do in the game. This is just a list of moves you should know anyway through playing the game.

Has anyone played it yet? I just can't get past the name. I'm all for making up words, but "revengeance" just sounds so stupid.
 
2013-02-19 11:51:24 AM
I loved Metal Gear Solid.  Best Playstation game ever.  When the demo for MGS2 came out, I was in love.  Then I find out that the actual game has almost nothing to do with the trailer and that the game is literally a rehash of the same battles from MGS1 with the added bonus of having to listen to your goddamn girlfriend whine at you for not talking about your feelings while in the middle of a boss-fight.  Haven't played another Metal Gear game since.
 
2013-02-19 12:39:20 PM

scottydoesntknow: Or you could read the game manual. When I hear "X badass things you can do" I expect stuff like easter eggs, mini-games, or stuff you couldn't normally do in the game. This is just a list of moves you should know anyway through playing the game.

Has anyone played it yet? I just can't get past the name. I'm all for making up words, but "revengeance" just sounds so stupid.


I haven't been keeping up with games of late and actually thought that was just something subby made up to be funny.
 
2013-02-19 12:48:24 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I love me some video games. But I have trouble calling anything I do in a video game as "bad ass".


I don't know, I got a 150x combo in Arkham City the other day. Felt pretty good.

/I need a life
 
2013-02-19 12:50:04 PM
Isn't the whole point of video games is to simulate doing badassery?
 
2013-02-19 12:55:35 PM
Is the ninja-badass-immortal kitty-on-the-beach on the list?

/DNRTFA
//twitch-action games aren't my cup of tea
 
2013-02-19 12:56:35 PM
game is bad. voice acting makes me want to hunt down their actors and 'revengeance' them
 
2013-02-19 01:06:59 PM
Revengeance?  Seriously?

Next one should be MGS:  Badasskickeryism
 
2013-02-19 01:08:07 PM
Great, now all I can fixate on is "Revengeance"

/wasn't going to get it anyway
 
2013-02-19 01:10:26 PM
Is "Use Cardboard Box" one of the 5?  No?  OK never mind then, I'll take a pass.
 
2013-02-19 01:12:18 PM
BECAUSE SOMETIMES VENGEANCE ISN'T ENOUGH, REVENGE ISN'T ENOUGH... YOU HAVE TO GO WITH REVENGEANCE!!!

/I'm buying this game...
 
2013-02-19 01:14:17 PM
If it isn't "wax philosophical on the nature of warfare and of being a soldier," it shouldn't be in Metal Gear.
 
2013-02-19 01:15:12 PM
Meh.  I'm much more interested in seeing WTF comes of The Phantom Pain/MGS5.
 
2013-02-19 01:17:43 PM

DarkPascual: BECAUSE SOMETIMES VENGEANCE ISN'T ENOUGH, REVENGE ISN'T ENOUGH... YOU HAVE TO GO WITH REVENGEANCE!!!

/I'm buying this game...


Whoa there buddy, don't you think you've had enough?
 
2013-02-19 01:19:58 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I love me some video games. But I have trouble calling anything I do in a video game as "bad ass".


One time in battlefront on iwo i sank a carrier, but was shot down over it. I parachuted down, shot ttwo men, then stole a plane, and managed to take off just as the ship was sinking under the waves. I could practically hear the indiana jones theme in my head. That was as close as i could call anything in a videogame "badass"
 
2013-02-19 01:21:08 PM

Mentalpatient87: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I love me some video games. But I have trouble calling anything I do in a video game as "bad ass".

I don't know, I got a 150x combo in Arkham City the other day. Felt pretty good.

/I need a life


Wow, em how? I believe I'd like to try that.

/Also has no life.
 
2013-02-19 01:28:50 PM

Mentat: I loved Metal Gear Solid.  Best Playstation game ever.  When the demo for MGS2 came out, I was in love.  Then I find out that the actual game has almost nothing to do with the trailer and that the game is literally a rehash of the same battles from MGS1 with the added bonus of having to listen to your goddamn girlfriend whine at you for not talking about your feelings while in the middle of a boss-fight.  Haven't played another Metal Gear game since.


MGS3 Snake Eater will make you forget all about Raiden.  It's easily the best of the series, and it also has the added bonus of ret-conning MGS2s ending(which far too many people took literally).
 
2013-02-19 01:31:31 PM
ITT: The plebs respond to challenging, well-designed video games in precisely the way that you would expect.
 
2013-02-19 01:35:58 PM
Having a coherent story line shockingly absent.
 
2013-02-19 01:39:20 PM
I haven't played Metal Gear Rising, and I'm wondering why I should. It doesn't have Snake. It DOES have whiny-biatch Raiden as the protagonist, AGAIN. It doesn't have any of the stealth elements that are the whole goddamn reason that one plays Metal Gear games. As far as I can tell, it barely takes place in the same universe as the rest of the series, aside from inflicting the series' worst character on us again.

Anything was going to be a letdown after Guns of the Patriots. But really? This looks some shiatty Bayonetta clone. If they were going to wait six years to follow up MGS4, they might as well have just waited until the next generation of consoles came out, took advantage of the increased technical capabilities, and made another Metal Gear-style stealth game with a new engine and a better protagonist.
 
2013-02-19 01:43:54 PM
IIIIEEEEEAAAAIIIIIIOOOOOOO
 
2013-02-19 01:48:22 PM

scottydoesntknow: Or you could read the game manual. When I hear "X badass things you can do" I expect stuff like easter eggs, mini-games, or stuff you couldn't normally do in the game. This is just a list of moves you should know anyway through playing the game.


In all fairness, I've had this conversation:
"Wait, how'd you do that?"
"You hold X and then tilt the stick and release."
"I must have missed where it explained that one."
"It was in the manual..."
"My copy didn't come with a manual."
"The manuals are digital now, Ohki... you have to hit this little icon at the home screen"
"Oh..."

I feel like an idiot every time, but dagnabbit, I remember when you could actually hold manuals.
 
2013-02-19 01:48:32 PM

Cagey B: I haven't played Metal Gear Rising, and I'm wondering why I should. It doesn't have Snake. It DOES have whiny-biatch Raiden as the protagonist, AGAIN. It doesn't have any of the stealth elements that are the whole goddamn reason that one plays Metal Gear games. As far as I can tell, it barely takes place in the same universe as the rest of the series, aside from inflicting the series' worst character on us again.


Uh, you play the game because, outside of Madworld, Platinum Games made one of the best beat 'em ups of the last decade (Bayonetta) and, at least based on the games I've played, the runaway candidate for the best third-person shooter ever made (Vanquish).  And yes, the game looks like a "shiatty Bayonetta clone" because it's being made by the same damn studio.
 
2013-02-19 01:49:34 PM
And to clarify my statement above, I am not actually asserting Madworld is any good.  Should have said "ignoring Madworld entirely".
 
2013-02-19 01:55:09 PM

ProfessorOhki: scottydoesntknow: Or you could read the game manual. When I hear "X badass things you can do" I expect stuff like easter eggs, mini-games, or stuff you couldn't normally do in the game. This is just a list of moves you should know anyway through playing the game.

In all fairness, I've had this conversation:
"Wait, how'd you do that?"
"You hold X and then tilt the stick and release."
"I must have missed where it explained that one."
"It was in the manual..."
"My copy didn't come with a manual."
"The manuals are digital now, Ohki... you have to hit this little icon at the home screen"
"Oh..."

I feel like an idiot every time, but dagnabbit, I remember when you could actually hold manuals.


Man, I remember taking the Zelda II manual to school with me and actually STUDYING the thing. As though the boilerplate story gave hints.

Of course, the manual was necessary for Atari Raiders of the Lost Ark.
 
2013-02-19 01:57:23 PM

RexTalionis: It's hard to be badass when your androgynous protagonist with a Christian Bale Batman voice wears high heeled platform shoes.
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Hey! Raiden looks good, he feels confident, who're YOU to judge?
 
2013-02-19 02:00:14 PM

Mike_LowELL: And yes, the game looks like a "shiatty Bayonetta clone" because it's being made by the same damn studio.


So they remade Bayonetta with one of the most annoying video game characters in recent memory. Tell me again why I should play this instead of just replaying Bayonetta. Because there doesn't seem to be any reason to play it as a continuation of the Metal Gear series.
 
2013-02-19 02:01:04 PM

Fano: ProfessorOhki: scottydoesntknow: Or you could read the game manual. When I hear "X badass things you can do" I expect stuff like easter eggs, mini-games, or stuff you couldn't normally do in the game. This is just a list of moves you should know anyway through playing the game.

In all fairness, I've had this conversation:
"Wait, how'd you do that?"
"You hold X and then tilt the stick and release."
"I must have missed where it explained that one."
"It was in the manual..."
"My copy didn't come with a manual."
"The manuals are digital now, Ohki... you have to hit this little icon at the home screen"
"Oh..."

I feel like an idiot every time, but dagnabbit, I remember when you could actually hold manuals.

Man, I remember taking the Zelda II manual to school with me and actually STUDYING the thing. As though the boilerplate story gave hints.

Of course, the manual was necessary for Atari Raiders of the Lost Ark.


Man, Starflight for the Genesis. ~140 pages of manually goodness (story actually did have game hints; so explicit the manual had a spoiler warning for itself).
 
2013-02-19 02:04:02 PM
I guess "Emrampagement" was taken.
 
2013-02-19 02:05:25 PM

Cagey B: So they remade Bayonetta with one of the most annoying video game characters in recent memory. Tell me again why I should play this instead of just replaying Bayonetta. Because there doesn't seem to be any reason to play it as a continuation of the Metal Gear series.


Because video games, in spite of their superficial sameness, tend to be markedly different at the conceptual level, even within a series or even within a line of work from one development studio.  It's like saying "Why should I play Super Mario World?  I've already played Super Mario Bros. 3."  And from what I've heard so far, Revengeance is a pretty damn good game.  If you can't get over the fact that Raiden is a pain in the ass, you're doing yourself a disservice.  Is the game worth sixty dollars out of pocket?  I don't know if many games are these days, simply because you have such an inexpensive body of games to choose from through emulation and digital distribution.  But it's probably worth playing at some point.
 
2013-02-19 02:07:10 PM

doctorguilty: I guess "Emrampagement" was taken.


You're damn right it was

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/Show me "C*ck-flavored spit!"
 
2013-02-19 02:11:31 PM

doctorguilty: I guess "Emrampagement" was taken.


Should have gone withe Metal Gear Solid: The Revanchement
 
2013-02-19 02:20:12 PM

ProfessorOhki: Fano: ProfessorOhki: scottydoesntknow: Or you could read the game manual. When I hear "X badass things you can do" I expect stuff like easter eggs, mini-games, or stuff you couldn't normally do in the game. This is just a list of moves you should know anyway through playing the game.

In all fairness, I've had this conversation:
"Wait, how'd you do that?"
"You hold X and then tilt the stick and release."
"I must have missed where it explained that one."
"It was in the manual..."
"My copy didn't come with a manual."
"The manuals are digital now, Ohki... you have to hit this little icon at the home screen"
"Oh..."

I feel like an idiot every time, but dagnabbit, I remember when you could actually hold manuals.

Man, I remember taking the Zelda II manual to school with me and actually STUDYING the thing. As though the boilerplate story gave hints.

Of course, the manual was necessary for Atari Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Man, Starflight for the Genesis. ~140 pages of manually goodness (story actually did have game hints; so explicit the manual had a spoiler warning for itself).


The F-15 Strike Eagle 3 manual still resides in my bathroom, even though I probably haven't played it in over 10 years. Seems a pity to throw out that novel.
 
2013-02-19 02:32:35 PM
Use the disk as a coaster for your scotch while playing any other, superior Metal Gear Solid game?
 
2013-02-19 02:33:51 PM

Need a Dispenser Here: ProfessorOhki: Fano: ProfessorOhki: scottydoesntknow: Or you could read the game manual. When I hear "X badass things you can do" I expect stuff like easter eggs, mini-games, or stuff you couldn't normally do in the game. This is just a list of moves you should know anyway through playing the game.

In all fairness, I've had this conversation:
"Wait, how'd you do that?"
"You hold X and then tilt the stick and release."
"I must have missed where it explained that one."
"It was in the manual..."
"My copy didn't come with a manual."
"The manuals are digital now, Ohki... you have to hit this little icon at the home screen"
"Oh..."

I feel like an idiot every time, but dagnabbit, I remember when you could actually hold manuals.

Man, I remember taking the Zelda II manual to school with me and actually STUDYING the thing. As though the boilerplate story gave hints.

Of course, the manual was necessary for Atari Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Man, Starflight for the Genesis. ~140 pages of manually goodness (story actually did have game hints; so explicit the manual had a spoiler warning for itself).

The F-15 Strike Eagle 3 manual still resides in my bathroom, even though I probably haven't played it in over 10 years. Seems a pity to throw out that novel.


The Red Baron and A-10 Tank Killer manuals comprise all my knowledge of aviation.
 
2013-02-19 02:40:42 PM

ProfessorOhki: scottydoesntknow: Or you could read the game manual. When I hear "X badass things you can do" I expect stuff like easter eggs, mini-games, or stuff you couldn't normally do in the game. This is just a list of moves you should know anyway through playing the game.

In all fairness, I've had this conversation:
"Wait, how'd you do that?"
"You hold X and then tilt the stick and release."
"I must have missed where it explained that one."
"It was in the manual..."
"My copy didn't come with a manual."
"The manuals are digital now, Ohki... you have to hit this little icon at the home screen"
"Oh..."

I feel like an idiot every time, but dagnabbit, I remember when you could actually hold manuals.


Back in the SNES days I was that nerd that would go rent a game and then read the entire manual by the time my mom got us home. My favorites were always the character bios for fighting games.
 
2013-02-19 02:41:19 PM
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/Approves of the title
 
2013-02-19 02:43:12 PM
This game hasn't been on my radar despite generally loving all things MGS (got my PS3 for 4 and Peace Walker), but I did like Vanquish which is the only Plat game I've tried. The good buzz leading up to it has me interested though, and the length of the game (most estimates are ~10 hours including retries) is pleasantly digestible. I find myself unable to finish modern games that take more than ~15 hours or so.

Just finished Dead Space 2 in just under that time and it was starting to get stale toward the end. Can't make it through modern RPGs and was never much of an online/MMO player. I like games like I did as a kid with an NES - get it, beat it over a week or so, move on. Of course, 90% of my VG time nowadays is spent with emulators playing Mega Man 2 or Mario World, can't remember the last game I bought that wasn't already 4-6 months old. Nicer for the wallet, I guess.

MGS5/Phantom Pain though.... ooooooooo. That flaming whale definitely got my attention. Kojima, you old rascal.
 
2013-02-19 02:48:55 PM
If you're one of the many Metal Gear Solid diehards who held a grudge against Raiden  - STOPPED READING THERE

SirLothar: [i1135.photobucket.com image 195x156]

/Approves of the title


Also This
 
2013-02-19 02:59:02 PM
Is skip dialog/cut-scenes one of them?
 
2013-02-19 03:01:15 PM

RexTalionis: It's hard to be badass when your androgynous protagonist with a Christian Bale Batman voice wears high heeled platform shoes.
[assets.sbnation.com image 560x315]


Cowboys used boots with high heels...your point, destroyed.
 
2013-02-19 03:04:42 PM
Also, its time for Crazy Colonel Quotes!

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/Actually, I am in really bad shape financially. I pay money to my ex-wife as part of our divorce settlement, among other bills... I just had no choice but to make you pay for lunch the other day. I'm really sorry.

//Raiden something happened to me last Thursday when I was driving home. I had a couple of miles to go - I looked up and saw a glowing orange object in the sky, to the east! It was moving very irregularly... suddenly there was intense light all around me - and when I came to, I was home. What do you think happened to me?

/// I was a North American Fall Webworm in my past life. Those were the good old days... What were you in your former life?
////  An anemone or clematis plants juice can cause a rash. When pruning them, its a good idea to wear gloves.
 
2013-02-19 03:08:37 PM

rocky_howard: Cowboys used boots with high heels...your point, destroyed.


Counterpoint:  Brokeback Mountain.
 
2013-02-19 03:31:32 PM
Am I the only person who once ADORED the Metal Gear Solid games, but aside from MGS3 finds them absolutely painful to play these days? MGS4 included.
 
2013-02-19 03:47:08 PM
I thought Archer had made a video game.  You know.  Like Terms of Enrampagment.
 
2013-02-19 03:54:44 PM

Burr: Is skip dialog/cut-scenes one of them?


That would only leave you with 15 minutes of actual gameplay!
 
2013-02-19 03:56:30 PM

commisioner: Mentalpatient87: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I love me some video games. But I have trouble calling anything I do in a video game as "bad ass".

I don't know, I got a 150x combo in Arkham City the other day. Felt pretty good.

/I need a life

Wow, em how? I believe I'd like to try that.

/Also has no life.

g



Gladiator Pit, probably. Use Beatdowns on the last couple standing, gives the rest a chance to get up. I've hit 150 before, just takes good timing.
 
2013-02-19 04:12:28 PM

Mentat: I loved Metal Gear Solid.  Best Playstation game ever.  When the demo for MGS2 came out, I was in love.  Then I find out that the actual game has almost nothing to do with the trailer and that the game is literally a rehash of the same battles from MGS1 with the added bonus of having to listen to your goddamn girlfriend whine at you for not talking about your feelings while in the middle of a boss-fight.  Haven't played another Metal Gear game since.


MGS3 was pretty good. Hell, it could make fun of itself...something I wish they kept in MGS4
 
2013-02-19 04:41:07 PM

Strategeryz0r: Am I the only person who once ADORED the Metal Gear Solid games, but aside from MGS3 finds them absolutely painful to play these days? MGS4 included.


I started replaying 4 after the trophy patch, and actually had a lot of fun with it. I went straight from hard to big boss when I originally played it, but doing a quick playthrough on easy for some of the random emblems let me play with things you can't get away with on extreme runs, like combat highs, trading items with rebels, etc I especially loved using the anti-material rifle on gekkos. It makes the rail gun almost useless.

/mgs3 is still the best, though
 
2013-02-19 05:07:30 PM

SirLothar: [i1135.photobucket.com image 195x156]

/Approves of the title


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2013-02-19 05:20:13 PM
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2013-02-19 05:23:14 PM

bukketmaster: Strategeryz0r: Am I the only person who once ADORED the Metal Gear Solid games, but aside from MGS3 finds them absolutely painful to play these days? MGS4 included.

I started replaying 4 after the trophy patch, and actually had a lot of fun with it. I went straight from hard to big boss when I originally played it, but doing a quick playthrough on easy for some of the random emblems let me play with things you can't get away with on extreme runs, like combat highs, trading items with rebels, etc I especially loved using the anti-material rifle on gekkos. It makes the rail gun almost useless.

/mgs3 is still the best, though


Yeah, I went back and played it again recently and was shocked at how well it held up. MGS3 had the misfortune of coming near the end of the PS2's life cycle, but damn it was good.

Also, for you MGS purists, how was Peace Walker? I've heard great things but haven't been able to bring myself to spring for it on the PSP/360.
 
2013-02-19 05:56:01 PM
Incorrigible Astronaut:

Also, for you MGS purists, how was Peace Walker? I've heard great things but haven't been able to bring myself to spring for it on the PSP/360.

Peace Walker was great but be advised it doesn't play quite the same as 3 or 4. It's paced like a portable game and has much more side-quest type missions, and the boss battles are kind of designed for multiplayer (although I did almost everything solo - MP just makes it makes it easier). It's kind of like an MGS RPG, but I didn't think of that as a bad thing.
 
2013-02-19 06:45:41 PM
UH OH! THE TRUCK HAVE STARTED TO MOVE!
 
2013-02-19 06:47:47 PM

Strategeryz0r: Am I the only person who once ADORED the Metal Gear Solid games, but aside from MGS3 finds them absolutely painful to play these days? MGS4 included.


Same here, I started a play-through of MGS4 a few weeks ago..and it just isn't the same anymore. Despite its attempt at depth, and there are some interesting ideas, the narrative strikes me as very juvenile . This would be fine, if the game didn't take itself so seriously.

Solid Snake was sneaking into an enemy jungle compound, on a life or death survival mission, to rescue a captured scientist. As he slowly crept through the jungle he saw paramilitary troops, who were contracted by the local regime, executing guerrilla fighters. They were making sport of it, he wanted to rescue them, but it wasn't his objective. Slowly, Snake worked his way past them when a call comes through on codec ...and it's Jack aka 'Raiden', who then proceeds to discuss philosophy at length. Naturally, Snake takes the opportunity to gossip about what happened between Raiden and his girlfriend Rose, who is involved with the Colonel Troutman wannabe now. After Snake swaps gossip like a high school girl with a grizzled, nicotine stained voice, he signs off. He then calls Rose, who happens to be his PTSD avoidance psychological therapist or something, and demands to know why she didn't inform him of the breakup with Jack...There are war crimes taking place over there, and he's having ridiculous, out of character conversations on his cell phone.

I loved those games, but some things are best left in the past.
 
2013-02-19 07:30:33 PM

PeppaJack: Strategeryz0r: Am I the only person who once ADORED the Metal Gear Solid games, but aside from MGS3 finds them absolutely painful to play these days? MGS4 included.

Same here, I started a play-through of MGS4 a few weeks ago..and it just isn't the same anymore. Despite its attempt at depth, and there are some interesting ideas, the narrative strikes me as very juvenile . This would be fine, if the game didn't take itself so seriously.

Solid Snake was sneaking into an enemy jungle compound, on a life or death survival mission, to rescue a captured scientist. As he slowly crept through the jungle he saw paramilitary troops, who were contracted by the local regime, executing guerrilla fighters. They were making sport of it, he wanted to rescue them, but it wasn't his objective. Slowly, Snake worked his way past them when a call comes through on codec ...and it's Jack aka 'Raiden', who then proceeds to discuss philosophy at length. Naturally, Snake takes the opportunity to gossip about what happened between Raiden and his girlfriend Rose, who is involved with the Colonel Troutman wannabe now. After Snake swaps gossip like a high school girl with a grizzled, nicotine stained voice, he signs off. He then calls Rose, who happens to be his PTSD avoidance psychological therapist or something, and demands to know why she didn't inform him of the breakup with Jack...There are war crimes taking place over there, and he's having ridiculous, out of character conversations on his cell phone.

I loved those games, but some things are best left in the past.


Its how the Japanese think.  Look at Final Fantasy 7.

"A meteor is heading toward the planet. In 7 days when it makes contact, all life on the planet will end.  We could try to stop it or....BREED CHOCOBOS!!!
 
2013-02-19 08:42:31 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I love me some video games. But I have trouble calling anything I do in a video game as "bad ass".


Saints Row III.

Mission 1: Bank Robbery

Mission 2: Freefall
That is all.
 
2013-02-19 10:22:37 PM
Time to put on my hipster hat. (You've never seen it before, I imported it from a Mongolian bisexual albino organic fisherman.)

This is why we'll never get "games as art", and, much as I hate to say it, Roger Ebert is right. The point of MGS2 was that the player was Raidan the entire time. Inexperienced in war but thinking he's tough shiat. Note how Raidan was trained in VR to be a killing machine, just like the player who has most likely played multiple video games where he's artifically simulated mass murder again and again. Idolizing Solid Snake without realizing how battle scarred and weary a man like him must be. See the fan reaction to not playing as the uber-soldier in their escapist fantasy. Following someone else's directive blindly without stopping to question what kind of man you are becoming as a result. This is a theme that was developed in much more detail in all games involving Big Boss, but it shows up here in the end-game freakout of the "Colonel". This voice that was pushing the player along was in the end just a machine programmed to perform a task, and the player followed it obediently, even after it showed itself to be an artifical construct. And the bizarre circumstances of the final boss fight was Kojima biatchslapping the player with the artifical nature of the entire experience, as was all the conversations with Rose (remember the corny romance music that starts playing?), and everything having to do with Fortune and Vamp.

Note I am not saying here MGS2 was a masterpiece. It could have been, but it isn't. Kojima is too full of himself and badly needs an editor. He had some good ideas that were well ahead of their time, but implemented them in a clumsy, hamfisted way, and he is too much of an arrogant asshole to admit his mistakes. But he took a risk and tried to do something other than a variant of saving the X from the Y, goddammit, and MGS2 gets a ton of shiat for exactly the wrong reasons.
 
2013-02-19 10:56:24 PM
Is one of them, "go outside"?
 
2013-02-19 11:24:45 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I love me some video games. But I have trouble calling anything I do in a video game as "bad ass".

Saints Row III.

Mission 1: Bank Robbery

Mission 2: Freefall
That is all.


Watched the first one, it looks like fun.  I fail to see anything "bad ass", though.
 
2013-02-19 11:34:45 PM

timujin: FuryOfFirestorm: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I love me some video games. But I have trouble calling anything I do in a video game as "bad ass".

Saints Row III.

Mission 1: Bank Robbery

Mission 2: Freefall
That is all.

Watched the first one, it looks like fun.  I fail to see anything "bad ass", though.


Check out the 2nd video. The first one was for context, really.

I haven't got to the part where you wrestle a luchador using a toilet as a weapon set to the theme from The Karate Kid, meeting the city mayor, Burt Reynolds, fighting your way out of a sex club with a giant purple dildo, calling a missile strike on a gang of hookers, riding a tank through a swarm of zombies, or playing on a Japanese-style gameshow where you burn people alive for fun and prizes.
 
2013-02-19 11:35:46 PM
So this was just a paid advertisement for the game, correct?
 
2013-02-20 12:56:44 AM

thenino85: Time to put on my hipster hat. (You've never seen it before, I imported it from a Mongolian bisexual albino organic fisherman.)

This is why we'll never get "games as art", and, much as I hate to say it, Roger Ebert is right. The point of MGS2 was that the player was Raidan the entire time. Inexperienced in war but thinking he's tough shiat. Note how Raidan was trained in VR to be a killing machine, just like the player who has most likely played multiple video games where he's artifically simulated mass murder again and again. Idolizing Solid Snake without realizing how battle scarred and weary a man like him must be. See the fan reaction to not playing as the uber-soldier in their escapist fantasy. Following someone else's directive blindly without stopping to question what kind of man you are becoming as a result. This is a theme that was developed in much more detail in all games involving Big Boss, but it shows up here in the end-game freakout of the "Colonel". This voice that was pushing the player along was in the end just a machine programmed to perform a task, and the player followed it obediently, even after it showed itself to be an artifical construct. And the bizarre circumstances of the final boss fight was Kojima biatchslapping the player with the artifical nature of the entire experience, as was all the conversations with Rose (remember the corny romance music that starts playing?), and everything having to do with Fortune and Vamp.

Note I am not saying here MGS2 was a masterpiece. It could have been, but it isn't. Kojima is too full of himself and badly needs an editor. He had some good ideas that were well ahead of their time, but implemented them in a clumsy, hamfisted way, and he is too much of an arrogant asshole to admit his mistakes. But he took a risk and tried to do something other than a variant of saving the X from the Y, goddammit, and MGS2 gets a ton of shiat for exactly the wrong reasons.


So, public reception of art defines whether it is art or not? I don't think you put your hipster hat on very tightly at all. You make the case that we are mouth breathing philistines for not appreciating mgs2, then you go all over the map.

I'll continue to tell Ebert to fark off using ICO and Shadow of the Colossus, and you can go back to your bong until you come up with a more coherent post.
 
rpm
2013-02-20 10:30:25 AM

thenino85: This is why we'll never get "games as art", and, much as I hate to say it, Roger Ebert is right.


OK, so let me get this straight:
Music is art.
Sculpture is art.
Literature is art.
Architecture is art
Movies are art

Something that combines all of that and more isn't? uhhhhh
 
2013-02-20 11:21:15 AM

Sword and Shield: commisioner: Mentalpatient87: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I love me some video games. But I have trouble calling anything I do in a video game as "bad ass".

I don't know, I got a 150x combo in Arkham City the other day. Felt pretty good.

/I need a life

Wow, em how? I believe I'd like to try that.

/Also has no life.
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Gladiator Pit, probably. Use Beatdowns on the last couple standing, gives the rest a chance to get up. I've hit 150 before, just takes good timing.


I forget the map, but it was one of the Riddler challenges. I just sorta got into a rhythm and didn't stop punching dudes. Still trying to perfect the use of gadgets mid-combo. I keep hitting the batclaw at the wrong time and somebody hits me.

Love that game. People bag on the combat being a button masher, but that only works if you want to lose a lot of health and don't want to make the fight look cool.
 
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