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2013-02-19 10:55:07 AM
if you are pro-life, you must also be against the death penalty.  it's all inclusive - either all life is sacred or its not.  if you don't stand up and save the lives of murdering bastards then....you aren't pro-life anymore.  sorry folks but thems the rules.

if you're pro-choice, then you may proceed.  kill 'em dead and down a six pack for a job well done.
 
2013-02-19 10:59:21 AM
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2013-02-19 11:12:50 AM

Weaver95: if you are pro-life, you must also be against the death penalty.  it's all inclusive - either all life is sacred or its not.  if you don't stand up and save the lives of murdering bastards then....you aren't pro-life anymore.  sorry folks but thems the rules.

if you're pro-choice, then you may proceed.  kill 'em dead and down a six pack for a job well done.


I'm pro-choice, but sort of anti-death penalty.  Mostly because of the costs and the possibility of executing an innocent person.  I have no stance on the vengeance portion of it, because I've never been put in the situation of knowing a victim of murder.
 
2013-02-19 11:14:03 AM
His sister Peggy calls him Junior . She wrote an affidavit on her brother's behalf - and said their mother and grandfather loved to beat Warren Hill on the head for being slow. Their mother used a cast iron lamp. The grandfather usually used a metal belt buckle.

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/Not sure why this came to mind...
 
2013-02-19 11:16:54 AM
As Christopher Titus suggested, we should stop calling it the death penalty.

Instead, think of it as a really really late term abortion.
 
2013-02-19 11:17:52 AM

Weaver95: if you are pro-life, you must also be against the death penalty.  it's all inclusive - either all life is sacred or its not.  if you don't stand up and save the lives of murdering bastards then....you aren't pro-life anymore.  sorry folks but thems the rules.

if you're pro-choice, then you may proceed.  kill 'em dead and down a six pack for a job well done.


Cradle to grave.  Womb to cradle.  The new rules don't include bootstraps, but you can find them on sale at Wal-mart for $9.
 
2013-02-19 11:18:46 AM
Here's to Georgia and yet another set of impossibly strict standards!

Yay!
 
2013-02-19 11:19:20 AM
I hate this story
 
2013-02-19 11:19:49 AM
My question is
why is this murdering bastard still alive?
get to it, people!
chop chop
 
2013-02-19 11:20:02 AM
What's with journalists that have one sentence paragraphs? Are complete thoughts foreign to them?
 
2013-02-19 11:20:52 AM
Another mentally-ill person being greased by a state that doesn't care how poorly a citizen develops as long as he doesn't go around killing people.

Don't be mentally ill in Georgia (or Arizona) or you'll do hard time for being sick. Or the state will just murder you and call it justice.

Then Jesus said, "Leave the children alone, and don't try to keep them from coming to Me, because the kingdom of heaven is made up of people like this.*"

*"But don't help them get any quicker than they need to."
 
2013-02-19 11:21:48 AM

jfivealive: I hate this story


Me too.
 
2013-02-19 11:22:07 AM
Georgia.
on my mind.
 
2013-02-19 11:22:29 AM

Weaver95: if you are pro-life, you must also be against the death penalty.  it's all inclusive - either all life is sacred or its not.  if you don't stand up and save the lives of murdering bastards then....you aren't pro-life anymore.  sorry folks but thems the rules.

if you're pro-choice, then you may proceed.  kill 'em dead and down a six pack for a job well done.


Not to start a debate, but i think there is room to differentiate "innocent" life, and someone who has demonstrated that they are unable to be a part of functional society.
 
2013-02-19 11:25:01 AM
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2013-02-19 11:25:20 AM

LineNoise: Weaver95: if you are pro-life, you must also be against the death penalty.  it's all inclusive - either all life is sacred or its not.  if you don't stand up and save the lives of murdering bastards then....you aren't pro-life anymore.  sorry folks but thems the rules.

if you're pro-choice, then you may proceed.  kill 'em dead and down a six pack for a job well done.

Not to start a debate, but i think there is room to differentiate "innocent" life, and someone who has demonstrated that they are unable to be a part of functional society.


Nope, according to them, it's all about life.  They don't qualify it.  I mean, except when someone dares to question about them about life when it's outside the womb.
 
2013-02-19 11:26:21 AM
FTFA: His sister Peggy...said their mother and grandfather loved to beat Warren Hill on the head for being slow.

Yeah, that'll help.
 
2013-02-19 11:27:15 AM
Poor bastard.

You know, if his family hadn't TBI'd or CTE'd him (whatever we're calling it now) in the first place, maybe he would have been "slow, reliable Warren" instead of "slow, prone-to-fits-of-murder Warren."

I'm okay with taking him out, but only if his mom and grandpa go too.
 
2013-02-19 11:27:24 AM
You can't execute retarded people? Hell you might as well give all of the red states a license to kill. Which is pretty much the NRA's mission come to think about it.
 
2013-02-19 11:27:31 AM

Summoner101: What's with journalists that have one sentence paragraphs? Are complete thoughts foreign to them?


-CNN
-Journalists

Pick one.
 
2013-02-19 11:27:40 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: Another mentally-ill person being greased by a state that doesn't care how poorly a citizen develops as long as he doesn't go around killing people.

Don't be mentally ill in Georgia (or Arizona) or you'll do hard time for being sick. Or the state will just murder you and call it justice.

Then Jesus said, "Leave the children alone, and don't try to keep them from coming to Me, because the kingdom of heaven is made up of people like this.*"

*"But don't help them get any quicker than they need to."


So if a mentally impaired individual is murdering people, do we turn him loose, or give him prison without hope for parole?  Doesn't "without hope of parole" sort of define cruel and unusual punishment?  We sure as anything can't help him develop mentally to the point he doesn't pose a continuing risk to society.  I am not being snarky, but I've never figured a good answer for this.
 
2013-02-19 11:27:56 AM
Farking barbaric.
 
2013-02-19 11:28:07 AM

LineNoise: Weaver95: if you are pro-life, you must also be against the death penalty.  it's all inclusive - either all life is sacred or its not.  if you don't stand up and save the lives of murdering bastards then....you aren't pro-life anymore.  sorry folks but thems the rules.

if you're pro-choice, then you may proceed.  kill 'em dead and down a six pack for a job well done.

Not to start a debate, but i think there is room to differentiate "innocent" life, and someone who has demonstrated that they are unable to be a part of functional society.


i'm sorry but...no.  if you are pro-life, then ALL LIFE IS SACRED.  period.  the premise of the pro-life ideology is that we don't get to pick and choose who gets to live or die, that's up to God.  ALL life is sacred, even the lives of bottom feeding scum sucking murderers locked in a cage.  if it's morally wrong to pick and choose which fetus gets born, then it's equally wrong to pick and choose which murdering bastard gets to die.  lock 'em up?  sure.  but you can't kill 'em and still be pro-life.

pro-life is all inclusive and absolutist.  you CANNOT pick and choose - you are either pro-life or not.  thems the rules.  it's also a very difficult philosophy to follow and I have a lot of respect for people who accept it's tenets and follow them....ALL of them.
 
2013-02-19 11:30:04 AM

Weaver95: if you are pro-life, you must also be against the death penalty.  it's all inclusive - either all life is sacred or its not.  if you don't stand up and save the lives of murdering bastards then....you aren't pro-life anymore.  sorry folks but thems the rules.

if you're pro-choice, then you may proceed.  kill 'em dead and down a six pack for a job well done.


I never got this argument.  Of course you can be pro-life and for the death penalty (I'm neither, but I find this repeated argument completely silly).

You can believe that life is life from conception, and should be protected as any average person.  You can also believe that through evil/illegal action, one can forfeit their life to the state, and be executed.  There's nothing inconsistent about that.  A fetus - if you define it as a human life - can be protected by law because he/she/it is innocent of any crimes.  There's no due process that can take their life.  That protected fetus can be born, grow up, and commit murder.  That willful choice can make their life forfeit to the state.

How is that inconsistent?  It's not an issue of "sacred life".  It's an issue of due process and definition of life.  Again, I'm neither pro-life, nor am I pro-death penalty, but I see this very poor argument over and over, and it's very weak.
 
2013-02-19 11:30:32 AM

LineNoise: Weaver95: if you are pro-life, you must also be against the death penalty.  it's all inclusive - either all life is sacred or its not.  if you don't stand up and save the lives of murdering bastards then....you aren't pro-life anymore.  sorry folks but thems the rules.

if you're pro-choice, then you may proceed.  kill 'em dead and down a six pack for a job well done.

Not to start a debate, but i think there is room to differentiate "innocent" life, and someone who has demonstrated that they are unable to be a part of functional society.


If you go with that logic then how do you know that the person aborted wasn't a mass-murderer in the making.  Would they argue Hitler's mom getting an abortion was bad, hell I doubt they would they say Obama being aborted would have been bad and would have cheered loudly.  They pick and choose what is "innocent" and "sacred."  You can tell nothing is sacred or innocent in their eyes as they'll charge 9 year old children as adults for certain crimes.  Innocence only goes as far as it serves their cause of imposing their morality on everyone then it must be brushed aside and turned into evil.
 
2013-02-19 11:31:05 AM
Hmmm.

Last week farkers were up in arms because IQ tests weren't a real evaluation of intelligence.

This week, some of you are upset because IQ is now an accurate measure of intelligence.
 
2013-02-19 11:31:43 AM
"..The U.S. Supreme Court has banned executions of mildly mentally retarded people."

WOO HOO! I can't be executed!
 
2013-02-19 11:32:15 AM

Khellendros: Weaver95: if you are pro-life, you must also be against the death penalty.  it's all inclusive - either all life is sacred or its not.  if you don't stand up and save the lives of murdering bastards then....you aren't pro-life anymore.  sorry folks but thems the rules.

if you're pro-choice, then you may proceed.  kill 'em dead and down a six pack for a job well done.

I never got this argument.  Of course you can be pro-life and for the death penalty (I'm neither, but I find this repeated argument completely silly).

You can believe that life is life from conception, and should be protected as any average person.  You can also believe that through evil/illegal action, one can forfeit their life to the state, and be executed.  There's nothing inconsistent about that.  A fetus - if you define it as a human life - can be protected by law because he/she/it is innocent of any crimes.  There's no due process that can take their life.  That protected fetus can be born, grow up, and commit murder.  That willful choice can make their life forfeit to the state.

How is that inconsistent?  It's not an issue of "sacred life".  It's an issue of due process and definition of life.  Again, I'm neither pro-life, nor am I pro-death penalty, but I see this very poor argument over and over, and it's very weak.


it's inconsistent because the pro-lifers themselves have stated that to be pro-life you must believe that all life is sacred.  ALL life is sacred.  even the lives of murderers on death row.  they're life is sacred too.  don't believe me?  go read their literature.  its very well defined.
 
2013-02-19 11:32:24 AM
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2013-02-19 11:32:54 AM

Weaver95: the premise of the pro-life ideology is that we don't get to pick and choose who gets to live or die, that's up to God. ALL life is sacred, even the lives of bottom feeding scum sucking murderers locked in a cage.


No, it's not.  Not even close.  You're assigning that value to the argument, and it's not the premise at all.  Innocence of the life, particularly related to children, is critical to their viewpoint.
 
2013-02-19 11:33:00 AM

Weaver95: if you are pro-life, you must also be against the death penalty.  it's all inclusive - either all life is sacred or its not.  if you don't stand up and save the lives of murdering bastards then....you aren't pro-life anymore.  sorry folks but thems the rules.

if you're pro-choice, then you may proceed.  kill 'em dead and down a six pack for a job well done.


So, you're saying it's contradictory to want to spare the innocent and condemn the guilty?
 
2013-02-19 11:33:11 AM

Weaver95: LineNoise: Weaver95: if you are pro-life, you must also be against the death penalty.  it's all inclusive - either all life is sacred or its not.  if you don't stand up and save the lives of murdering bastards then....you aren't pro-life anymore.  sorry folks but thems the rules.

if you're pro-choice, then you may proceed.  kill 'em dead and down a six pack for a job well done.

Not to start a debate, but i think there is room to differentiate "innocent" life, and someone who has demonstrated that they are unable to be a part of functional society.

i'm sorry but...no.  if you are pro-life, then ALL LIFE IS SACRED.  period.  the premise of the pro-life ideology is that we don't get to pick and choose who gets to live or die, that's up to God.


The premise as I had it explained to me is that babies/fetuses (feti?)/zygoats are innocent, while murderers are not.  So it's more "pro-innocent-life."

That's not to say the death penalty still isn't barbaric, though...
 
2013-02-19 11:34:07 AM

indarwinsshadow: Hmmm.

Last week farkers were up in arms because IQ tests weren't a real evaluation of intelligence.

This week, some of you are upset because IQ is now an accurate measure of intelligence.


I guess I missed that. But I would think than IQ of 70 along with testimony from special ed teachers would be enough to know that he's not firing on all cylinders.
 
2013-02-19 11:34:49 AM
I'm from Georgia and I am smart enough to not murder anyone.

Subby is a douche.
 
2013-02-19 11:34:53 AM
And what good does keeping him around do for society as a whole?  It's not like he's going to care after he's dead.
 
2013-02-19 11:35:02 AM

Khellendros: Weaver95: the premise of the pro-life ideology is that we don't get to pick and choose who gets to live or die, that's up to God. ALL life is sacred, even the lives of bottom feeding scum sucking murderers locked in a cage.

No, it's not.  Not even close.  You're assigning that value to the argument, and it's not the premise at all.  Innocence of the life, particularly related to children, is critical to their viewpoint.


no, i'm telling you how the pro-lifers themselves define their own ideology.  all life is sacred.  ALL life is sacred.  they believe its wrong to take a life under any circumstances, be it abortion or via the death penalty.  this is their belief, and it's all inclusive.  it doesn't allow for the death penalty.
 
2013-02-19 11:35:29 AM

Weaver95: if you are pro-life, you must also be against the death penalty.  it's all inclusive - either all life is sacred or its not.


I've told people this before:
Pro-life, pro-death penalty:  Innocence is to be protected; a murderer isn't innocent, so it's okay to sentence him to death.  Fetuses are innocent, thus are to be protected
Pro-choice, anti-death penalty:  People are to be protected; a fetus might be alive, might be human, but it's not a person yet.  A murderer, as horrid as his crime(s) might be, is still a person.

/Pro-choice pro-death penalty.
 
2013-02-19 11:35:36 AM

The Onion is prophetic: Weaver95: if you are pro-life, you must also be against the death penalty.  it's all inclusive - either all life is sacred or its not.  if you don't stand up and save the lives of murdering bastards then....you aren't pro-life anymore.  sorry folks but thems the rules.

if you're pro-choice, then you may proceed.  kill 'em dead and down a six pack for a job well done.

I'm pro-choice, but sort of anti-death penalty.  Mostly because of the costs and the possibility of executing an innocent person.  I have no stance on the vengeance portion of it, because I've never been put in the situation of knowing a victim of murder.


I'm pro choice, and I'm mostly against the death penalty mostly because we've been wrong SO MANY TIMES. And really that's it. I have no moral qualms about executing a rapist, pedophile, or murderer...when we've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are guilty. And although our court system is designed to do exactly that, it often fails us. And that works both ways. We've seen the innocent get convicted, and the guilty walk free. Sadly, sometimes this just comes down to a matter of money.
 
2013-02-19 11:35:37 AM
As subby's headline suggests, he should be sentenced based on the standards of the state, not those of some arugula-eating hipster in New York.
 
2013-02-19 11:35:37 AM
Georgia's going to execute Bobo the chimp? But who will balance the state budget and perform open heart surgery?
 
2013-02-19 11:36:59 AM

Mr. Titanium: TheShavingofOccam123: Another mentally-ill person being greased by a state that doesn't care how poorly a citizen develops as long as he doesn't go around killing people.

Don't be mentally ill in Georgia (or Arizona) or you'll do hard time for being sick. Or the state will just murder you and call it justice.

Then Jesus said, "Leave the children alone, and don't try to keep them from coming to Me, because the kingdom of heaven is made up of people like this.*"

*"But don't help them get any quicker than they need to."

So if a mentally impaired individual is murdering people, do we turn him loose, or give him prison without hope for parole?  Doesn't "without hope of parole" sort of define cruel and unusual punishment?  We sure as anything can't help him develop mentally to the point he doesn't pose a continuing risk to society.  I am not being snarky, but I've never figured a good answer for this.


I don't know the answer myself except to say, while I do personally know people who deserve the death penalty for murder, there will always be enough mentally-ill people and innocent people who will be murdered by the state that we can't really have a death penalty.

I know of two cases of murder by rich people in Arizona where the rich people walked away. And yet an obviously mentally-ill person is going to be murdered by Georgia because Georgia doesn't want to pay for its sins of allowing a child to remain in a family THAT REGULARLY BEAT HIM IN THE HEAD WITH A CAST-IRON OBJECT. Georgia could provide three meals and bed in solitary for this guy--should have done so when he proved he couldn't be around people after the first murder--but instead they'll murder him. I wish the DA, the judge and the jury could be REGULARLY BEATEN IN THE HEAD WITH A CAST-IRON OBJECT and see how their behavior changes over, oh say, 10 or 15 years of that kind of abuse. Georgia's Old Sparky would probably be quite busy after a few years.
 
2013-02-19 11:37:16 AM

Weaver95: it's inconsistent because the pro-lifers themselves have stated that to be pro-life you must believe that all life is sacred. ALL life is sacred. even the lives of murderers on death row. they're life is sacred too. don't believe me? go read their literature. its very well defined.


I used to be one of them.  I marched on corners, and yelled at people entering abortion clinics.  I handed out the very literature you're talking about.  I had it farking memorized.  I know very well the arguments used, and how they apply to christian morality.  I escaped that life a long time ago.  And I can tell you this - if you're interested in making a point, you should address their argument as they see it, not as you would imagine it.  Their "every life is sacred" point specified innocent life, defined as children who have not yet had the ability or opportunity to hear the truth and commit their lives to christ.  And in the times those ideas were formed, it fit just fine with capital punishment.  It did so for centuries, and still does today.

"Every life is sacred" is not an all-encompassing statement.  They know it's not, and they don't argue that it is.
 
2013-02-19 11:37:25 AM

Khellendros: Weaver95: the premise of the pro-life ideology is that we don't get to pick and choose who gets to live or die, that's up to God. ALL life is sacred, even the lives of bottom feeding scum sucking murderers locked in a cage.

No, it's not.  Not even close.  You're assigning that value to the argument, and it's not the premise at all.  Innocence of the life, particularly related to children, is critical to their viewpoint.


I've been under the impression that the pro-lifers aren't so much pro-child as they are anti-woman. The logical inconsistency of their arguments seems to fall apart when they want to prevent abortions but also cut the social safety net.

They want to punish women for having sex (or being raped it would also seem).
 
2013-02-19 11:37:55 AM
xanadian:
The premise as I had it explained to me is that babies/fetuses (feti?)/zygoats are innocent, while murderers are not.  So it's more "pro-innocent-life."

That's not to say the death penalty still isn't barbaric, though...


I've spoken to priests and rabbis about it and each and every single one of them summed up their pro-life stance as 'all life is sacred'.  without fail, without hesitation they have ALL said that to be pro-life means to believe that ALL life is sacred.  no exceptions at all.  all life is sacred.  all of it.  even scum sucking murderers.  especially scum sucking murderers.

now, the weak willed bottom feeders just in it to punish women for having sex - THOSE guys are pro-death penalty.
 
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2013-02-19 11:38:52 AM
His sister Peggy calls him Junior . She wrote an affidavit on her brother's behalf - and said their mother and grandfather loved to beat Warren Hill on the head for being slow. Their mother used a cast iron lamp. The grandfather usually used a metal belt buckle.

[2:33] "He would shout 'You stupid retard!' Or 'You dumb-ass!' Junior wouldn't cry, though; he would just stand there and endure it. Junior was often beaten like this, by either Momma or Granddaddy, until he would lose consciousness. He would sleep for hours afterwards."


that'll learn 'em
 
2013-02-19 11:38:54 AM

Khellendros: Weaver95: it's inconsistent because the pro-lifers themselves have stated that to be pro-life you must believe that all life is sacred. ALL life is sacred. even the lives of murderers on death row. they're life is sacred too. don't believe me? go read their literature. its very well defined.

I used to be one of them.  I marched on corners, and yelled at people entering abortion clinics.  I handed out the very literature you're talking about.  I had it farking memorized.  I know very well the arguments used, and how they apply to christian morality.  I escaped that life a long time ago.  And I can tell you this - if you're interested in making a point, you should address their argument as they see it, not as you would imagine it.  Their "every life is sacred" point specified innocent life, defined as children who have not yet had the ability or opportunity to hear the truth and commit their lives to christ.  And in the times those ideas were formed, it fit just fine with capital punishment.  It did so for centuries, and still does today.

"Every life is sacred" is not an all-encompassing statement.  They know it's not, and they don't argue that it is.


And then they go pray in a church with a huge sculpture of a man being execurted.
 
2013-02-19 11:39:08 AM

Whiskey Pete: "..The U.S. Supreme Court has banned executions of mildly mentally retarded people."

WOO HOO! I can't be executed!


If you're mentally capable of realizing you're incapable of being executed, you're mentally capable of being executed.

/goddam windmills
 
2013-02-19 11:39:38 AM

Weaver95: no, i'm telling you how the pro-lifers themselves define their own ideology.  all life is sacred.  ALL life is sacred.  they believe its wrong to take a life under any circumstances, be it abortion or via the death penalty.  this is their belief, and it's all inclusive.  it doesn't allow for the death penalty.


Of course, that's just the pro-lifers. There aren't too many of those about. There are a lot of confused anti-abortionists, though.
 
2013-02-19 11:39:43 AM

Khellendros: Weaver95: it's inconsistent because the pro-lifers themselves have stated that to be pro-life you must believe that all life is sacred. ALL life is sacred. even the lives of murderers on death row. they're life is sacred too. don't believe me? go read their literature. its very well defined.

I used to be one of them.  I marched on corners, and yelled at people entering abortion clinics.  I handed out the very literature you're talking about.  I had it farking memorized.  I know very well the arguments used, and how they apply to christian morality.  I escaped that life a long time ago.  And I can tell you this - if you're interested in making a point, you should address their argument as they see it, not as you would imagine it.  Their "every life is sacred" point specified innocent life, defined as children who have not yet had the ability or opportunity to hear the truth and commit their lives to christ.  And in the times those ideas were formed, it fit just fine with capital punishment.  It did so for centuries, and still does today.

"Every life is sacred" is not an all-encompassing statement.  They know it's not, and they don't argue that it is.


And i'm telling you that every priest and rabbi i've ever spoken too in over 20 odd years has summed up the pro-life argument as 'all life is sacred'.  period.  its' that simple.

which implies something rather interesting about the pro-lifers who are in favor of the death penalty, don't you think?
 
2013-02-19 11:39:45 AM

The 4chan Psychiatrist: Summoner101: What's with journalists that have one sentence paragraphs? Are complete thoughts foreign to them?

-CNN
-Journalists

Pick one.


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