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2013-02-19 10:54:22 AM  
"It's why we have call boxes, it's why we have safe zones, it's why we have the whistles. Because you just don't know who you're gonna be shooting at," Salazar remarked in the debate late Friday.

"And you don't know if you feel like you're gonna be raped, or if you feel like someone's been following you around or if you feel like you're in trouble when you may actually not be, that you pop out that gun and you pop ... pop a round at somebody."


Great debating skills, Lou.

The argument that guns on campus might lead to more violence than it prevents did not need that word salad.

[you'renothelping]

/He said pop thrice.
//He must really like pop.
///I note Subby didn't identify this guy's political party in the header here, let's see if anyone notices.
 
2013-02-19 11:02:23 AM  
Just shoot your gun whenever you feel unsafe. This will work out well for everybody.

/use it on yourself first
 
2013-02-19 11:25:10 AM  
"It's why we have call boxes, it's why we have safe zones, it's why we have the whistles. Because you just don't know who you're gonna be shooting at," Salazar remarked in the debate late Friday.

"And you don't know if you feel like you're gonna be raped, or if you feel like someone's been following you around or if you feel like you're in trouble when you may actually not be, that you pop out that gun and you pop ... pop a round at somebody."


Poorly phrased, but...

Rep. Lori Saine, R-Dacono, took Salazar to task. "I guess, Rep. Salazar, if a woman doesn't know she's being raped, she doesn't fear it," Saine said.

... that has nothing to do with what he said.
 
2013-02-19 11:32:28 AM  

Theaetetus: "It's why we have call boxes, it's why we have safe zones, it's why we have the whistles. Because you just don't know who you're gonna be shooting at," Salazar remarked in the debate late Friday.

"And you don't know if you feel like you're gonna be raped, or if you feel like someone's been following you around or if you feel like you're in trouble when you may actually not be, that you pop out that gun and you pop ... pop a round at somebody."

Poorly phrased, but...

Rep. Lori Saine, R-Dacono, took Salazar to task. "I guess, Rep. Salazar, if a woman doesn't know she's being raped, she doesn't fear it," Saine said.

... that has nothing to do with what he said.


I'm guessing the Republicans are so intent on finding a Democrat equivalent of Todd Akin that as soon as they heard the word "rape" they jumped on it. What Salazar said, while not well stated, made perfect sense. What Saine heard was something very different from what was said.
 
2013-02-19 11:43:57 AM  
He's found his safe 

CruiserTwelve: Theaetetus: "It's why we have call boxes, it's why we have safe zones, it's why we have the whistles. Because you just don't know who you're gonna be shooting at," Salazar remarked in the debate late Friday.

"And you don't know if you feel like you're gonna be raped, or if you feel like someone's been following you around or if you feel like you're in trouble when you may actually not be, that you pop out that gun and you pop ... pop a round at somebody."

Poorly phrased, but...

Rep. Lori Saine, R-Dacono, took Salazar to task. "I guess, Rep. Salazar, if a woman doesn't know she's being raped, she doesn't fear it," Saine said.

... that has nothing to do with what he said.

I'm guessing the Republicans are so intent on finding a Democrat equivalent of Todd Akin that as soon as they heard the word "rape" they jumped on it. What Salazar said, while not well stated, made perfect sense. What Saine heard was something very different from what was said.


Hey look, he found his safe zone.
 
2013-02-19 11:48:13 AM  
I think this is more a case of the guy just being a dumb ass, as opposed to being incorrect on what rape is.

Note to all politicians:   Unless you're actually talking about rape, don't bring up rape.  There's little benefit and it's too risky you'll say something retarded.
 
2013-02-19 11:52:36 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Note to all politicians:   Unless you're actually talking about rape, don't bring up rape.  There's little benefit and it's too risky you'll say something retarded.


Just don't. And if anyone brings it up while you have a microphone in front of you, say "Rape is a terrible travesty, and we need to work to eradicate it through education and tougher sentencing." and move on. Don't dwell on it at all, because yeah...you're going to say something stupid. Which can and will be used against you in a court of law public opinion.
 
2013-02-19 11:55:28 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Theaetetus: "It's why we have call boxes, it's why we have safe zones, it's why we have the whistles. Because you just don't know who you're gonna be shooting at," Salazar remarked in the debate late Friday.

"And you don't know if you feel like you're gonna be raped, or if you feel like someone's been following you around or if you feel like you're in trouble when you may actually not be, that you pop out that gun and you pop ... pop a round at somebody."

Poorly phrased, but...

Rep. Lori Saine, R-Dacono, took Salazar to task. "I guess, Rep. Salazar, if a woman doesn't know she's being raped, she doesn't fear it," Saine said.

... that has nothing to do with what he said.

I'm guessing the Republicans are so intent on finding a Democrat equivalent of Todd Akin that as soon as they heard the word "rape" they jumped on it. What Salazar said, while not well stated, made perfect sense. What Saine heard was something very different from what was said.


Yep.
 
2013-02-19 11:59:54 AM  

CruiserTwelve: I'm guessing the Republicans are so intent on finding a Democrat equivalent of Todd Akin that as soon as they heard the word "rape" they jumped on it.


Ding. Ding. Ding.

Would you like your free chicken dinner fried or roasted?
 
2013-02-19 12:00:14 PM  
"It's why we have call boxes, it's why we have safe zones, it's why we have the whistles. Because you just don't know who you're gonna be shooting at," Salazar remarked in the debate late Friday.

So, you know, if you find you're being raped or attacked, just drag yourself to one of those call boxes or safe zones and blow your whistle.  Someone will surely come help you eventually.
 
2013-02-19 12:03:03 PM  
4 gun control measures passed the Colorado house yesterday. They will pass the senate and be signed into law by governor Hick.

That is all that matters.
 
2013-02-19 12:09:29 PM  
It's OK. He's a Democrat. He can say whatever. He is protected.

And the bland headline is funny too. It would have been a paragraph if a Republican had said anything about women and rape. And, the fifteenth greenlight about it.
 
2013-02-19 12:10:59 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: Just don't. And if anyone brings it up while you have a microphone in front of you, say "Rape is a terrible travesty, and we need to work to eradicate it through education and tougher sentencing." and move on. Don't dwell on it at all, because yeah...you're going to say something stupid. Which can and will be used against you in a court of law public opinion.


Yeah, but at  some point a rape related bill might actually come up.  Maybe studying where rapes are being done, how often, under what circumstances, what can be done to prevent them better, help out the victims, etc.  Then you can talk about rape.

But unless you're actually talking about rape, don't bring up rape.  Doesn't matter if you're a Republican or Democrat.  Don't compare anything to rape.

Rape.
 
2013-02-19 12:19:12 PM  

the lord god: 4 gun control measures passed the Colorado house yesterday. They will pass the senate and be signed into law by governor Hick.

That is all that matters.



Maybe.  But two Senate Dems are talking like they won't support at least some of them (mag ban in particular).  That means it's down to a single vote either way.   It ain't over yet.   Still not convinced HIck will sign all four.
 
2013-02-19 12:19:28 PM  
A poor comment, but not NEARLY as wrong or as stupid as what Todd Akin said.
 
2013-02-19 12:23:04 PM  

tnpir: A poor comment, but not NEARLY as wrong or as stupid as what Todd Akin said.


Which makes it only a poor comment, rather than the condescending, ignorant and somewhat frightening thing it appeared to be. Apparently.
 
2013-02-19 12:32:36 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: It's OK. He's a Democrat. He can say whatever. He is protected.

And the bland headline is funny too. It would have been a paragraph if a Republican had said anything about women and rape. And, the fifteenth greenlight about it.


You poor thing.
 
2013-02-19 12:35:51 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: It's OK. He's a Democrat. He can say whatever. He is protected.

And the bland headline is funny too. It would have been a paragraph if a Republican had said anything about women and rape. And, the fifteenth greenlight about it.it would be a day ending in the letter "y".


FTFY.
 
2013-02-19 12:36:17 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Yeah, but at  some point a rape related bill might actually come up.


True. In any case, pols, avoid improvising on the topic whenever possible.

/"So what's up? Rape? Yeah, all the kids are talking about rape these days. You know, we had rape when I was a kid too, but it didn't get nearly the media...what's that? This blonde chick in front, what is it you're yammering about? *listens* Oh, I'm sure. *listens again* I'm sure you do know. No doubt. Now will you shut the fark up so I can do my job here? *laughter* Thanks. Anyway, where was I? Oh right...rape. Don't get me wrong, rape is a terrible thing, but..."
 
2013-02-19 12:46:35 PM  

GanjSmokr: "It's why we have call boxes, it's why we have safe zones, it's why we have the whistles. Because you just don't know who you're gonna be shooting at," Salazar remarked in the debate late Friday.

So, you know, if you find you're being raped or attacked, just drag yourself to one of those call boxes or safe zones and blow your whistle.  Someone will surely come help you eventually.


Not only that, UC Boulder just released some helpful tips no how not to get raped.


Be realistic about your ability to protect yourself.Your instinct may be to scream, go ahead!  It may startle your attacker and give you an opportunity to run away.Kick off your shoes if you have time and can't run in them.Don't take time to look back; just get away.If your life is in danger, passive resistance may be your best defense.Tell your attacker that you have a disease or are menstruating.Vomiting or urinating may also convince the attacker to leave you alone.Yelling, hitting or biting may give you a chance to escape, do it!Understand that some actions on your part might lead to more harm.Remember, every emergency situation is different.  Only you can decide which action is most appropriate.http://www.uccs.edu/pusafety/what-to-do-if-you-are-att acked-.html
 
2013-02-19 12:54:23 PM  

o5iiawah: GanjSmokr: "It's why we have call boxes, it's why we have safe zones, it's why we have the whistles. Because you just don't know who you're gonna be shooting at," Salazar remarked in the debate late Friday.

So, you know, if you find you're being raped or attacked, just drag yourself to one of those call boxes or safe zones and blow your whistle.  Someone will surely come help you eventually.

Not only that, UC Boulder just released some helpful tips no how not to get raped.


Be realistic about your ability to protect yourself.Your instinct may be to scream, go ahead!  It may startle your attacker and give you an opportunity to run away.Kick off your shoes if you have time and can't run in them.Don't take time to look back; just get away.If your life is in danger, passive resistance may be your best defense.Tell your attacker that you have a disease or are menstruating.Vomiting or urinating may also convince the attacker to leave you alone.Yelling, hitting or biting may give you a chance to escape, do it!Understand that some actions on your part might lead to more harm.Remember, every emergency situation is different.  Only you can decide which action is most appropriate.http://www.uccs.edu/pusafety/what-to-do-if-you-are-att acked-.html


Rape shields replaced with red wings.
 
2013-02-19 12:57:34 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: It's OK. He's a Democrat. He can say whatever. He is protected.

And the bland headline is funny too. It would have been a paragraph if a Republican had said anything about women and rape. And, the fifteenth greenlight about it.


It's not OK.  But comparing a state legislator to a likely (before the remark) US Senator is silly.

If the guy loses his next election because of this, I'm OK with that.

But I do know that "conservatives" will continue to whine about it...stay brave, someday the horrible oppression will end
 
2013-02-19 01:25:12 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Theaetetus: "It's why we have call boxes, it's why we have safe zones, it's why we have the whistles. Because you just don't know who you're gonna be shooting at," Salazar remarked in the debate late Friday.

"And you don't know if you feel like you're gonna be raped, or if you feel like someone's been following you around or if you feel like you're in trouble when you may actually not be, that you pop out that gun and you pop ... pop a round at somebody."

Poorly phrased, but...

Rep. Lori Saine, R-Dacono, took Salazar to task. "I guess, Rep. Salazar, if a woman doesn't know she's being raped, she doesn't fear it," Saine said.

... that has nothing to do with what he said.

I'm guessing the Republicans are so intent on finding a Democrat equivalent of Todd Akin that as soon as they heard the word "rape" they jumped on it. What Salazar said, while not well stated, made perfect sense. What Saine heard was something very different from what was said.


Not only that.  He dared to question the Holy Sacred Blessed Right of Concealed Carry.

At no point and in no way did he say or imply that there is anything good about rape, or its aftermath, nor did he display a level of anatomical ignorance that makes you shake your head and think, "Come on, that has to be some kind of sick joke, right?"  He didn't phrase himself well, and in fact it was foolish even to bring rape into it at all.  He simply should have made his point:  he believes that concealed carry on campus carries an unacceptable danger from mistakenly shooting someone you think is a threat, or simply shooting the wrong person.

Then he would only have them shrieking about daring to challenge the Holy Sacred Blessed Right.
 
2013-02-19 01:25:51 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: the lord god: 4 gun control measures passed the Colorado house yesterday. They will pass the senate and be signed into law by governor Hick.

That is all that matters.


Maybe.  But two Senate Dems are talking like they won't support at least some of them (mag ban in particular).  That means it's down to a single vote either way.   It ain't over yet.   Still not convinced HIck will sign all four.


I think he will. He wants to be something bigger one day and this will look good on a resume. Do you know who the two senators are?

I like my guns as much as the most insane gun nut. But these are reasonable proposals and they will pass.
 
2013-02-19 01:38:45 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: It's OK. He's a Democrat. He can say whatever. He is protected.

And the bland headline is funny too. It would have been a paragraph if a Republican had said anything about women and rape. And, the fifteenth greenlight about it.


You poor thing.  it must be like you've been raped.
 
2013-02-19 01:49:03 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Just shoot your gun whenever you feel unsafe. This will work out well for everybody.


Seems to work for the cops.
 
2013-02-19 01:53:52 PM  

the lord god: Ow! That was my feelings!: the lord god: 4 gun control measures passed the Colorado house yesterday. They will pass the senate and be signed into law by governor Hick.

That is all that matters.


Maybe.  But two Senate Dems are talking like they won't support at least some of them (mag ban in particular).  That means it's down to a single vote either way.   It ain't over yet.   Still not convinced HIck will sign all four.

I think he will. He wants to be something bigger one day and this will look good on a resume. Do you know who the two senators are?

I like my guns as much as the most insane gun nut. But these are reasonable proposals and they will pass.



Tochtrop and Jahn.  And there are other suburban Dems that are not locked into supporting all the bills.  The mag limit is not reasonable, it is arbitrary, feel good bullshiat.  The others, meh.  Also skeptical that Hick is helped by being seen as pro-control.
 
2013-02-19 01:58:25 PM  
An  apology? Wow, Rapeublicans are...oh, wait, that wasn't actually attacking rape victims, just a dumbass trying to argue something. That explains it.

/I honestly did not realize this guy was D until the comments, but no, either way, this isn't the usual malice. It's just stupid.
//So yeah, eh, he apologized, let it go. And someone get that man some debating lessons.
 
2013-02-19 02:06:22 PM  

PsiChick: An  apology? Wow, Rapeublicans are...oh, wait, that wasn't actually attacking rape victims, just a dumbass trying to argue something. That explains it.

/I honestly did not realize this guy was D until the comments, but no, either way, this isn't the usual malice. It's just stupid.
//So yeah, eh, he apologized, let it go. And someone get that man some debating lessons.


Are you talking about Akin or the guy from this article?
 
2013-02-19 02:12:14 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: the lord god: Ow! That was my feelings!: the lord god: 4 gun control measures passed the Colorado house yesterday. They will pass the senate and be signed into law by governor Hick.

That is all that matters.


Maybe.  But two Senate Dems are talking like they won't support at least some of them (mag ban in particular).  That means it's down to a single vote either way.   It ain't over yet.   Still not convinced HIck will sign all four.

I think he will. He wants to be something bigger one day and this will look good on a resume. Do you know who the two senators are?

I like my guns as much as the most insane gun nut. But these are reasonable proposals and they will pass.


Tochtrop and Jahn.  And there are other suburban Dems that are not locked into supporting all the bills.  The mag limit is not reasonable, it is arbitrary, feel good bullshiat.  The others, meh.  Also skeptical that Hick is helped by being seen as pro-control.


Hmm Jahn might come around. Tochtrop I highly doubt will. The magazine limit is arbitrary. It should be smaller.
 
2013-02-19 02:21:33 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: It's OK. He's a Democrat. He can say whatever. He is protected.

And the bland headline is funny too. It would have been a paragraph if a Republican had said anything about women and rape. And, the fifteenth greenlight about it.


Politics threads are always full of past subjunctive statements.
 
2013-02-19 02:24:08 PM  

the lord god: Ow! That was my feelings!: the lord god: Ow! That was my feelings!: the lord god: 4 gun control measures passed the Colorado house yesterday. They will pass the senate and be signed into law by governor Hick.

That is all that matters.


Maybe.  But two Senate Dems are talking like they won't support at least some of them (mag ban in particular).  That means it's down to a single vote either way.   It ain't over yet.   Still not convinced HIck will sign all four.

I think he will. He wants to be something bigger one day and this will look good on a resume. Do you know who the two senators are?

I like my guns as much as the most insane gun nut. But these are reasonable proposals and they will pass.


Tochtrop and Jahn.  And there are other suburban Dems that are not locked into supporting all the bills.  The mag limit is not reasonable, it is arbitrary, feel good bullshiat.  The others, meh.  Also skeptical that Hick is helped by being seen as pro-control.

Hmm Jahn might come around. Tochtrop I highly doubt will. The magazine limit is arbitrary. It should be smaller.



Smaller huh?  Well, as you're a self-professed gunnut, I'd love (not really) to hear your argument for arbitrary magazine limits.
 
2013-02-19 02:48:27 PM  
How can a chicken blow a rape whistle? Won't someone please think of the chickens?
 
2013-02-19 03:23:27 PM  
Not comparable to Akin.  In this instance, he provided a sincere apology for a bad analogy.  In the GOP's instance it was the ideological and grossly inaccurate rational for their anti-abortion legislation/political platform.
 
2013-02-19 03:24:28 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Just shoot your gun whenever you feel unsafe. This will work out well for everybody.


This is the basis for stand your ground laws.....you felt threatened so you can legally shoot first.
 
2013-02-19 03:34:32 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: the lord god: Ow! That was my feelings!: the lord god: Ow! That was my feelings!: the lord god: 4 gun control measures passed the Colorado house yesterday. They will pass the senate and be signed into law by governor Hick.

That is all that matters.


Maybe.  But two Senate Dems are talking like they won't support at least some of them (mag ban in particular).  That means it's down to a single vote either way.   It ain't over yet.   Still not convinced HIck will sign all four.

I think he will. He wants to be something bigger one day and this will look good on a resume. Do you know who the two senators are?

I like my guns as much as the most insane gun nut. But these are reasonable proposals and they will pass.


Tochtrop and Jahn.  And there are other suburban Dems that are not locked into supporting all the bills.  The mag limit is not reasonable, it is arbitrary, feel good bullshiat.  The others, meh.  Also skeptical that Hick is helped by being seen as pro-control.

Hmm Jahn might come around. Tochtrop I highly doubt will. The magazine limit is arbitrary. It should be smaller.


Smaller huh?  Well, as you're a self-professed gunnut, I'd love (not really) to hear your argument for arbitrary magazine limits.



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2013-02-19 04:24:08 PM  

Citrate1007: Not comparable to Akin.  In this instance, he provided a sincere apology for a bad analogy.  In the GOP's instance it was the ideological and grossly inaccurate rational for their anti-abortion legislation/political platform.


Akin apologized too. He's still a dick, just like this guy. Just because he belongs to the right and proper party doesn't make it OK and his apology more sincere.
 
2013-02-19 04:58:59 PM  
Sure, continue teaching "don't get raped" instead of "don't rape".

/sigh
 
2013-02-19 05:28:30 PM  

der Glitzkrieg: Sure, continue teaching "don't get raped" instead of "don't rape".

/sigh


I see your point, but I don't know how we're supposed to teach "don't rape." People have a vested interest in not being raped, so they can self-select for "Don't get raped" type instruction. Potential rapists aren't going to self-select the same way, and even if they did it probably wouldn't stop them because they're psychopaths to begin with. Convicted rapists can be coerced into treatment, but this doesn't seem like it'd be terribly effective either.

Put another way, I'm pretty sure I can raise my son not to be a rapist, but he and I were never going to be problematic anyway. How do we approach this broadly, from a societal POV? I'm not sure there's a good answer.
 
2013-02-19 06:09:41 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: der Glitzkrieg: Sure, continue teaching "don't get raped" instead of "don't rape".

/sigh

I see your point, but I don't know how we're supposed to teach "don't rape." People have a vested interest in not being raped, so they can self-select for "Don't get raped" type instruction. Potential rapists aren't going to self-select the same way, and even if they did it probably wouldn't stop them because they're psychopaths to begin with. Convicted rapists can be coerced into treatment, but this doesn't seem like it'd be terribly effective either.

Put another way, I'm pretty sure I can raise my son not to be a rapist, but he and I were never going to be problematic anyway. How do we approach this broadly, from a societal POV? I'm not sure there's a good answer.


This is a good blog post about one ad campaign. It also addresses the fallacy of rapists being unreachable.

A campaign aimed at men and preventing rape. This is another recent one. These have all come about recently, unfortunately. The term 'rape culture' isn't wrong to use.

 These ad campaigns address the societal issue and they're becoming more common. It's a positive way to address the rape culture and victim-blaming and inherent sexism in most anti-rape campaigns.
 
2013-02-19 06:51:37 PM  
"And you don't know if you feel like you're gonna be raped, or if you feel like someone's been following you around or if you feel like you're in trouble when you may actually not be, that you pop out that gun and you pop ... pop a round at somebody."

Rep. Lori Saine, R-Dacono, took Salazar to task. "I guess, Rep. Salazar, if a woman doesn't know she's being raped, she doesn't fear it," Saine said.


Maybe I'm misunderstanding this, but it seems like he's saying something along the lines of "You might be misjudging a situation and therefore overreact by shooting someone who isn't actually threatening you."  Rape was probably the worst example he could've gone with, but how is his arguement not valid?
 
2013-02-19 08:04:37 PM  
Its Feb and already "rape" has become the power word of the year
 
2013-02-19 08:13:36 PM  

der Glitzkrieg: A campaign aimed at men and preventing rape. This is another recent one. These have all come about recently, unfortunately. The term 'rape culture' isn't wrong to use.


I like how in this ad campaign the men get to be self-appointed protectors for the women who obviously can't help themselves.
 
2013-02-19 11:14:32 PM  

Frank N Stein: der Glitzkrieg: A campaign aimed at men and preventing rape. This is another recent one. These have all come about recently, unfortunately. The term 'rape culture' isn't wrong to use.

I like how in this ad campaign the men get to be self-appointed protectors for the women who obviously can't help themselves.


Not really? It's more like being a good person and offering them an out/standing up for them/whatever. It's not saying that "do this because the women can't do it themselves".
 
2013-02-19 11:29:47 PM  

der Glitzkrieg: It's not saying that "do this because the women can't do it themselves".


"When Nichole couldn't lose that drunk guy, I called her to give her an out"

That's exactly what it means, at least for Nichole.
 
2013-02-19 11:35:03 PM  

Frank N Stein: der Glitzkrieg: It's not saying that "do this because the women can't do it themselves".

"When Nichole couldn't lose that drunk guy, I called her to give her an out"

That's exactly what it means, at least for Nichole.


I guess at this point I should clarify that I get what they're trying to say in that ad campaign, and I agree with the basic message of "look out for each other". I personally think it's poorly executed. But then again, maybe I'm just over analyzing it.
 
2013-02-20 12:34:38 AM  
Hilarious that this thread barely has any comments. If a republican had said this, there would be 800 comments in here by now.
 
2013-02-20 06:25:40 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: Hilarious that this thread barely has any comments. If a republican had said this, there would be 800 comments in here by now.


True. Because if a Republican had said it, it would have been "If you feel like you're being raped." Then it would be something to talk about.
 
2013-02-20 11:10:19 AM  

SN1987a goes boom: "And you don't know if you feel like you're gonna be raped, or if you feel like someone's been following you around or if you feel like you're in trouble when you may actually not be, that you pop out that gun and you pop ... pop a round at somebody."

Rep. Lori Saine, R-Dacono, took Salazar to task. "I guess, Rep. Salazar, if a woman doesn't know she's being raped, she doesn't fear it," Saine said.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding this, but it seems like he's saying something along the lines of "You might be misjudging a situation and therefore overreact by shooting someone who isn't actually threatening you."  Rape was probably the worst example he could've gone with, but how is his arguement not valid?


That's how I interpreted it as well.  It's a perfectly valid argument.  The only problem is that at least some Republicans don't actually understand what was wrong with Aiken's and Mourdoch's comments; they simply assume "he said a dirty word," and if that's one's assumption, then Salazar's comment is "just as bad because he said the same word."

They don't seem to understand that it was not the word "rape" that made Aiken's and Mourdoch's comments so offensive; it's the utter ignorance and contempt contempt for women that the comments reveal.

If Salazar had said "if you feel like you're going to be robbed...when you may actually not be, that you pop out that gun and you pop ... pop a round at somebody," it would be obvious what he meant, and it's a valid point about the potential risk of frightened people being heavily armed.

If Aiken had said "in cases of legitimate robbery, women can shut that whole thing down" or Mourdoch had said "robbery is a gift from God," it would be obvious that they are idiots who have no business making legislative decisions.
 
2013-02-21 06:35:45 AM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Ow! That was my feelings!: the lord god: Ow! That was my feelings!: the lord god: Ow! That was my feelings!: the lord god: 4 gun control measures passed the Colorado house yesterday. They will pass the senate and be signed into law by governor Hick.

That is all that matters.


Maybe.  But two Senate Dems are talking like they won't support at least some of them (mag ban in particular).  That means it's down to a single vote either way.   It ain't over yet.   Still not convinced HIck will sign all four.

I think he will. He wants to be something bigger one day and this will look good on a resume. Do you know who the two senators are?

I like my guns as much as the most insane gun nut. But these are reasonable proposals and they will pass.


Tochtrop and Jahn.  And there are other suburban Dems that are not locked into supporting all the bills.  The mag limit is not reasonable, it is arbitrary, feel good bullshiat.  The others, meh.  Also skeptical that Hick is helped by being seen as pro-control.

Hmm Jahn might come around. Tochtrop I highly doubt will. The magazine limit is arbitrary. It should be smaller.


Smaller huh?  Well, as you're a self-professed gunnut, I'd love (not really) to hear your argument for arbitrary magazine limits.


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What did you just do here and in the prev post? Forget which account you were posting from??
 
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