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(NBC News)   Rachel Maddow's documentary on the Selling of the Iraq War demonstrates why she is the best journalist on the job today   (nbcnews.com) divider line 465
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2013-02-19 10:20:02 AM
Who?
Oh, him.  Meh.
 
2013-02-19 10:23:26 AM
I wonder if there will be any lesbian/lady-looks-like-a-dude jokes in this thread?

Because, clearly, how she looks or who she bangs is the most important thing, ya know.
 
2013-02-19 10:26:51 AM
So, it's all out there now. The Bush administration hoaxed the American public, and the world, into a war in Iraq. Can we all agree on this? And there's really no consequences for the perpetrators, right? That's pretty much how it goes?
 
2013-02-19 10:42:16 AM
How sickening is it that we are so jaded now?  A documentary like this comes out and people will most likely say "that was ten years ago...who cares?"
 
2013-02-19 10:47:46 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: How sickening is it that we are so jaded now?  A documentary like this comes out and people will most likely say "that was ten years ago...who cares?"


Either that or RACHAL MADDOW LOOK LIKE GUY DUR HHUURRRRRR

/Now watch this thread
 
2013-02-19 10:47:51 AM
Gotta be honest and say I didn't care about this. I know its bad of me, but I feel like I just want to put that entire part of our history behind us. I can't stomach any more of it.
 
2013-02-19 10:48:13 AM
I saw a lot of documentaries on such topics during and after the Iraq War. Anything really new here?
 
2013-02-19 10:52:31 AM

DamnYankees: Gotta be honest and say I didn't care about this. I know its bad of me, but I feel like I just want to put that entire part of our history behind us. I can't stomach any more of it.


Yep.  It's called Outrage Fatigue or some such.  And I agree.  I don't need to watch it, but then again we pretty much knew the whole war was bullshiat from day dot, you know?
 
2013-02-19 10:56:51 AM
She's a national farking treasure.
 
2013-02-19 10:57:05 AM

DamnYankees: Gotta be honest and say I didn't care about this. I know its bad of me, but I feel like I just want to put that entire part of our history behind us. I can't stomach any more of it.


That's the problem.  There should be some punishment or some recognition of this failure of our government.  It's a part of our history, and we, and future generations, deserve to know the truth.

A lot of people died because of these lies, and to just ignore it is a huge injustice.
 
2013-02-19 10:57:29 AM
Is Iraq a scandal yet?
 
2013-02-19 10:59:36 AM
BENGHAZI!!!!!!
 
2013-02-19 11:01:57 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: DamnYankees: Gotta be honest and say I didn't care about this. I know its bad of me, but I feel like I just want to put that entire part of our history behind us. I can't stomach any more of it.

Yep.  It's called Outrage Fatigue or some such.  And I agree.  I don't need to watch it, but then again we pretty much knew the whole war was bullshiat from day dot, you know?


Except there's the Can't Admit Fault Brigade, who will still claim to this day with a straight face that wmds were found in Iraq, along with Saddam's diary that is nothing but page after page of hearts with "Mr and Mrs. Saddam bin Laden" written inside.

Sorry to say, this has to be repeated until we are all dead.  Or at least until Dick Cheney is.  Let it go for a minute, and these human fungi will start spreading their poisonous lies again.

And you know the axiom about those who forget the lessons of history.
 
2013-02-19 11:02:10 AM

DamnYankees: Gotta be honest and say I didn't care about this. I know its bad of me, but I feel like I just want to put that entire part of our history behind us. I can't stomach any more of it.


I get where you're coming from, but don't agree.   Every Farker has, at some point in time, driven home after a night of drinking when s/he shouldn't have.  Most of us would wake up in the morning, see the car in the bushes, and make changes to our lives to prevent that from happening again without ever telling anyone about it, and that's ok.  It's the folks that do this a second time and tell themselves "I won't do it again, just forget about it, it's scary to think about the things going wrong in my life that facilitated this event so I'll just try to do better and not make a big deal about it."

I know folks who want to stop the world from spinning while they hold Truth and Reconciliation hearings around the country - for the record, I'm not one of those.  But this is the same attitude that people took towards Nixon's pardon, a desire to put it behind us and collectively say "Next time, I'll do better!" (much like the drunk driving episode).But we know what happened in the 00s, we know who did it, we know how it happened, and the same kind of thing has happened again (high ranking elected and appointed officials engaging in illegal activity and misleading the public to great detriment for the country).  We didn't do better this time, and we need to respond to it with a more energetic and involved response in an effort to keep this dangerous preference for sweeping abusive executives under the rug from preventing us from maturing to the next phase of American greatness.
 
2013-02-19 11:04:11 AM
Not to mention the fact that this isn't exactly ancient history.  I can see how it feels that way, but bear in mind the Iraq war just ended a few months ago.
 
2013-02-19 11:06:17 AM
Rachel might've got it on TV but she didn't do the heavy lifting on this one.

www.dcinternational.org
 
2013-02-19 11:06:32 AM

quatchi: Is Iraq a scandal yet?


The Bush administration lost the GOP its soul, a few major elections and possibly a generation of voters but no, it never really was a scandal, unfortunately.
 
2013-02-19 11:06:53 AM
It's bad enough that Cheney isn't in prison for war crimes, but the fact that there are still elements in this country (including the press) who give that piece of shiat credibility it outrageous.
 
2013-02-19 11:07:30 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Rachel might've got it on TV but she didn't do the heavy lifting on this one.

[www.dcinternational.org image 454x691]


Yes, we know, NBC has been trumpeting the book and interviewing the authors all week long.
 
2013-02-19 11:10:14 AM
If we allow ourselves to succumb to "Outrage Fatigue," then we effectively allow history to be rewritten and falsified.
 
2013-02-19 11:10:16 AM

BoboRod: Who?
Oh, him.  Meh.


Limbaugh'd in the Boobies

Let's see...

Clinton lies about a beej. GOP:  IMPEACH!!

Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Powell, etc lie about the existence of chemical WMD in Iraq, the impending presence of nuclear weapons in Iraq, connections between Iraq and al-Qaeda (obtained from a guy who lied to stop being tortured), went all-in with an unreliable, narcissistic, power-hungry joke (Chalabi), promised being greeted as liberators after a very short war that paid for itself, and on and on and on..."  GOP: meh

Obama, Rice, H. Clinton, et al continue to blame a video after they knew it wasn't a factor (or something like that...I'm still not sure): GOP:  WORSE THAN WATERGATE!!!

OK.  Got it.
 
2013-02-19 11:10:29 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Rachel might've got it on TV but she didn't do the heavy lifting on this one.

[www.dcinternational.org image 454x691]


Yes, and she says as much at 1:40 in on the video.

So, I have to ask, what is your point?
 
2013-02-19 11:11:15 AM
This thread is remarkably troll free to this point.
 
2013-02-19 11:11:56 AM

GAT_00: This thread is remarkably troll free to this point.


Just what are you implying, terrorist-lover?
 
2013-02-19 11:12:40 AM

GAT_00: This thread is remarkably troll free to this point.


Why would you jinx it?
 
2013-02-19 11:14:55 AM

GAT_00: This thread is remarkably troll free to this point.


It will probably stay that way, since its been consigned to oblivion in the Politics ghetto.
 
2013-02-19 11:16:53 AM

Vodka Zombie: There should be some punishment or some recognition of this failure of our government. It's a part of our history, and we, and future generations, deserve to know the truth.


And we should begin by acknowledging that it's all Clinton's fault.
 
2013-02-19 11:17:31 AM
Sounds like it would be an interesting watch, but probably nothing we don't already know.

I gave Bush the benefit of the doubt.  I somewhat bought into the idea that the Iraq war made some sort of sense.  I mean, it must have!  Why would we go to war for no good reason?  Well it's a decade later, and I think it's pretty safe to say that it was stupid.  Nevermind international law or whether the war was in any way "right" or "justified", that's another argument, whatever the case may be, I don't think that we've advanced U.S. interests by going into Iraq in any meaningful way.  Certainly not enough to justify the tremendous cost.
 
2013-02-19 11:19:57 AM

BooBoo23: Vodka Zombie: There should be some punishment or some recognition of this failure of our government. It's a part of our history, and we, and future generations, deserve to know the truth.

And we should begin by acknowledging that it's all Clinton's fault.


Because?
 
2013-02-19 11:28:17 AM

Vodka Zombie: BooBoo23: Vodka Zombie: There should be some punishment or some recognition of this failure of our government. It's a part of our history, and we, and future generations, deserve to know the truth.

And we should begin by acknowledging that it's all Clinton's fault.

Because?


Because Democrat

/got nothing
 
2013-02-19 11:29:33 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Vodka Zombie: BooBoo23: Vodka Zombie: There should be some punishment or some recognition of this failure of our government. It's a part of our history, and we, and future generations, deserve to know the truth.

And we should begin by acknowledging that it's all Clinton's fault.

Because?

Because Democrat

/got nothing


Oh, I'm guessing something about Oil for Food.  But my troll-fu is weak today.
 
2013-02-19 11:30:03 AM

Lionel Mandrake: BoboRod: Who?
Oh, him.  Meh.

Limbaugh'd in the Boobies

Let's see...

Clinton lies about a beej. GOP:  IMPEACH!!

Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Powell, etc lie about the existence of chemical WMD in Iraq, the impending presence of nuclear weapons in Iraq, connections between Iraq and al-Qaeda (obtained from a guy who lied to stop being tortured), went all-in with an unreliable, narcissistic, power-hungry joke (Chalabi), promised being greeted as liberators after a very short war that paid for itself, and on and on and on..."  GOP: meh

Obama, Rice, H. Clinton, et al continue to blame a video after they knew it wasn't a factor (or something like that...I'm still not sure): GOP:  WORSE THAN WATERGATE!!!

OK.  Got it.


Look, it's true that the Bush Administration lied about WMD's and terrorist cells in Iraq in order to get permission from Congress to launch a war of aggression against another country for the sole purpose of seizing its petroleum reserves and turning it into an American vassal state, but WHAT ABOUT BENGHAZI???
 
2013-02-19 11:38:25 AM

gilgigamesh: AdolfOliverPanties: DamnYankees: Gotta be honest and say I didn't care about this. I know its bad of me, but I feel like I just want to put that entire part of our history behind us. I can't stomach any more of it.

Yep.  It's called Outrage Fatigue or some such.  And I agree.  I don't need to watch it, but then again we pretty much knew the whole war was bullshiat from day dot, you know?

Except there's the Can't Admit Fault Brigade, who will still claim to this day with a straight face that wmds were found in Iraq, along with Saddam's diary that is nothing but page after page of hearts with "Mr and Mrs. Saddam bin Laden" written inside.



There are those...and there is the other larger group of individuals who were calling anyone who disagreed with our involvement with Iraq traitors, un-American, etc.  In the late 2000s you couldn't find anyone willing to admit they participated in that yet in 2009 they're standing in the street in all their tea-baggy goodness claiming to be independent of any political party.
 
2013-02-19 11:45:54 AM

gilgigamesh: GAT_00: This thread is remarkably troll free to this point.

It will probably stay that way, since its been consigned to oblivion in the Politics ghetto.


alexbledsoe.com

And his momma cried.
 
hej
2013-02-19 11:49:15 AM
So did she just take this one, and add a 2 minute introduction featuring herself?

http://iraqforsale.org/
 
2013-02-19 11:49:42 AM
Only good thing to come out of this is that Bush and the Republicans got the younger voters to pay attention. People were losing their friends in a war of choice and the Republicans have lost a generation of voters. Its always great to find a Republican and berate them just by bringing up the war: "Bush wasnt a real Republican". Really? You guys just defended all of his choices and decision points for fun?
 
2013-02-19 11:50:33 AM

Vodka Zombie: DamnYankees: Gotta be honest and say I didn't care about this. I know its bad of me, but I feel like I just want to put that entire part of our history behind us. I can't stomach any more of it.

That's the problem.  There should be some punishment or some recognition of this failure of our government.  It's a part of our history, and we, and future generations, deserve to know the truth.

A lot of people died because of these lies, and to just ignore it is a huge injustice.


In a just and fair society the people who were responsible would be held accountable.  In our society, where money is king, they will live comfortably for the rest of their lives.  Hopefully in the decades to come we will find the courage to at least be honest about what happened and these people will eventually be seen as criminals instead of leaders.
 
2013-02-19 11:50:40 AM

JerseyTim: So, it's all out there now. The Bush administration hoaxed the American public, and the world, into a war in Iraq. Can we all agree on this? And there's really no consequences for the perpetrators, right? That's pretty much how it goes?


b b b but, Benghazi.  They're the same right?
 
2013-02-19 11:50:56 AM
Yeah but I heard she looks like a man
 
2013-02-19 11:50:57 AM
Eh.  It was ten years ago and the war paid for itself, what's the big deal?
 
2013-02-19 11:51:36 AM

DamnYankees: Gotta be honest and say I didn't care about this. I know its bad of me, but I feel like I just want to put that entire part of our history behind us. I can't stomach any more of it.


Your IRS tax bill will not forget $3T anytime soon.
 
2013-02-19 11:53:27 AM

Vodka Zombie: I wonder if there will be any lesbian/lady-looks-like-a-dude jokes in this thread?

Because, clearly, how she looks or who she bangs is the most important thing, ya know.


I am not ghey, but I would like to get Richard Mancow to turn (the other kind of not) ghey.
 
2013-02-19 11:57:23 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Eh.  It was ten years ago and the war paid for itself, what's the big deal?


Iknowright? Greeted as liberators. WMDs found and safely disposed of. Sure some of the soldiers gained weight eating too much of he chocolate that the happy Iraqi people threw at them wherever they went but hey, war can be heckish some days. St00pid libz!!
 
2013-02-19 11:58:15 AM
Why do we permit The Great Lie to hold the dignity of being called a "war"?

There was no act of war on Iraq's part. The US *invaded* -- Soviet style -- another sovereign nation who had little or nothing to do with 9/11 while Pakistan and Saudi Arabia got a free pass.

If we start calling it "The Iraq Invasion" we can at least stop lying about the lie.
 
2013-02-19 11:58:21 AM
Anything I say will be considered a troll, so I'll just say this
 
2013-02-19 11:59:27 AM

CPennypacker: Yeah but I heard she looks like a man


I'm just going to come right out and say this: I think she's kinda cute. Not drop dead gorgeous by any stretch of the imagination, but cute. I don't get the assaults on her looks one bit.
 
2013-02-19 12:02:56 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: How sickening is it that we are so jaded now?  A documentary like this comes out and people will most likely say "that was ten years ago...who cares?"


if I had to guess, I'd say that what started my on the path to questioning my GOP party membership, it was the Bush admin's efforts to get us into a war with Iraq.  I was there for the first gulf war.  Gulf war 2.0...didn't feel right.  so I can see why the current incarnation of the Republican party would want to just dismiss this sort of documentary.
 
2013-02-19 12:04:51 PM

nekom: I don't get the assaults on her looks one bit.


It's Derp-speak for "we got nothin'".
 
2013-02-19 12:04:56 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: How sickening is it that we are so jaded now?  A documentary like this comes out and people will most likely say "that was ten years ago...who cares?"


Benghazi happened within the last 6 months and killed 4 Americans. Therefore it's way more important.

/because IOKIYAR
 
2013-02-19 12:05:18 PM

nekom: CPennypacker: Yeah but I heard she looks like a man

I'm just going to come right out and say this: I think she's kinda cute. Not drop dead gorgeous by any stretch of the imagination, but cute. I don't get the assaults on her looks one bit.


For shallow people who can't see past a  short hair cut, submitted without comment:



i.huffpost.com
 
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