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(The Verge)   The new Galaxy S4 with 16 cores, yes 16 cores, comes out just shy of the Ides of March   (theverge.com) divider line 137
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2013-02-19 10:26:11 AM  
Great... Why? And "because they can" is not a legitimate answer. Neither is "e-peen" or a variant thereof.
 
2013-02-19 10:32:05 AM  
So did Samsung's check clear, Drew?
 
2013-02-19 10:33:17 AM  

ajgeek: Great... Why? And "because they can" is not a legitimate answer. Neither is "e-peen" or a variant thereof.


Because they can is the best answer. Otherwise we'd all be on old 50s computers, that take up 2 storey houses.
 
2013-02-19 10:33:53 AM  
So I'm guessing a November release?

Good. Since my contract will be up by then and it looks like Jelly Bean won't make it to T-Mobile's GS2 till the next Ice Age, I can switch carriers just in time.

/ yes, I'm aware of the ROM's. But I just know with my luck that I'll be one of the few whose phone will brick when rooting.
 
2013-02-19 10:36:46 AM  
And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.
 
2013-02-19 10:37:51 AM  

Slaxl: ajgeek: Great... Why? And "because they can" is not a legitimate answer. Neither is "e-peen" or a variant thereof.

Because they can is the best answer. Otherwise we'd all be on in old 50s computers, that take up 2 storey houses.


FTFY
 
2013-02-19 10:46:02 AM  

Mugato: So did Samsung's check clear, Drew?


If you can get them to write me one I'll cash the hell out of it
 
2013-02-19 10:52:39 AM  
Was the 16 cores thing a joke, or did I miss something in the article?
 
2013-02-19 10:53:38 AM  
That's a lot of Marines!
 
2013-02-19 11:01:47 AM  

Drew: Mugato: So did Samsung's check clear, Drew?

If you can get them to write me one I'll cash the hell out of it


Easy way - "Fark party in Seoul, brought to you by Samsung, and probably Jose Cuervo".
 
2013-02-19 11:14:13 AM  

unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.


The "16 cores" in the headline were nowhere in the article.  That being said, my four-core Note II has great battery life, better than that of many of my friend's phones.
 
2013-02-19 11:22:22 AM  
HTC have just unveiled their new phone, but I can't see their website details.
 
2013-02-19 11:28:45 AM  

Drew: Mugato: So did Samsung's check clear, Drew?

If you can get them to write me one I'll cash the hell out of it


Ha!

This will probably be my next phone.
 
2013-02-19 11:30:57 AM  

timujin: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

The "16 cores" in the headline were nowhere in the article.  That being said, my four-core Note II has great battery life, better than that of many of my friend's phones.


read it again...8 core processor, 8 core GPU

not sure it'll be any faster to search and download albino goat porn or whatever you f*cks are into, but it's fun to have new things
 
2013-02-19 11:31:25 AM  

timujin: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

The "16 cores" in the headline were nowhere in the article.  That being said, my four-core Note II has great battery life, better than that of many of my friend's phones.


Ah, a Note user.

I'm going to be in the market for a new smartphone in 6 months. That Note is pretty friggin' big. Do you find that to be an advantage or a drawback? Is there something in particular that you do that you need that big of a screen on a phone? Should I get a "phablet" if I already have a tablet?
 
2013-02-19 11:34:58 AM  
I come to bury the iPhone, not to praise it.
 
2013-02-19 11:37:14 AM  

Timmy the Tumor: read it again...8 core processor, 8 core GPU

not sure it'll be any faster to search and download albino goat porn or whatever you f*cks are into, but it's fun to have new things


But you could probably attach it to a HDTV, split the screen, and play 8 separate goat porn videos at once!
 
2013-02-19 11:41:18 AM  
16 Cores..

It's O.K. for a car phone, i wouldn't want it in my house.
 
2013-02-19 11:43:05 AM  

unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.


Actually, the way thes emobile chipsets work, often only as many cores as needed or the task are actually active.  The rest just sit there.
 
hej
2013-02-19 11:45:57 AM  

Antimatter: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

Actually, the way thes emobile chipsets work, often only as many cores as needed or the task are actually active.  The rest just sit there.


I've heard this claim plenty of times, yet somehow the battery life still gets progressively worse as new models come out.  I suppose it's possible that it could be more to do with the unnecessarily high clock speed.
 
2013-02-19 11:48:52 AM  
So when does Samsung become the same as Apple for putting out new iterations of the same phone with small unnoticeable tweaks every year?
 
2013-02-19 11:48:54 AM  

cgraves67: timujin: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

The "16 cores" in the headline were nowhere in the article.  That being said, my four-core Note II has great battery life, better than that of many of my friend's phones.

Ah, a Note user.

I'm going to be in the market for a new smartphone in 6 months. That Note is pretty friggin' big. Do you find that to be an advantage or a drawback? Is there something in particular that you do that you need that big of a screen on a phone? Should I get a "phablet" if I already have a tablet?


I'm 6'3", my hands, head and pants pockets are scaled bigger than the average person's.  When people exclaim that my phone is huge, I ask them to hold theirs flat on their palm.  I do the same and mine is proportionally the same as theirs.

What I've found, functionally, is that I rarely use anything else.  I don't have a tablet, but I hardly touch my laptop or desktop when at home unless I'm doing something that requires a lot of typing.
 
2013-02-19 11:49:13 AM  
Will it come with a car battery to sling around your shoulder to power it more than one hour?

/I know 16 was a joke.  Calm down.
 
2013-02-19 11:52:03 AM  

hej: I've heard this claim plenty of times, yet somehow the battery life still gets progressively worse as new models come out.  I suppose it's possible that it could be more to do with the unnecessarily high clock speed.


I thought battery life was improving. Of course we're still nowhere near the Nokia bricks of the early 00s, that lasted forever, but these are very different devices. They're more computer than phone. That they can last a day is amazing. It's going to be a long time before smartphones can last for a week. When they do something even better will come out with more power hungriness.
 
2013-02-19 11:52:15 AM  

Klitch: So when does Samsung become the same as Apple for putting out new iterations of the same phone with small unnoticeable tweaks every year?


Never, we only hate on Apple Fanboys, people that buy every iteration of a Samsung phone are just enthusiasts.
 
2013-02-19 11:52:57 AM  

Timmy the Tumor: timujin: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

The "16 cores" in the headline were nowhere in the article.  That being said, my four-core Note II has great battery life, better than that of many of my friend's phones.

read it again...8 core processor, 8 core GPU

not sure it'll be any faster to search and download albino goat porn or whatever you f*cks are into, but it's fun to have new things


You read it again... that's not in there, either.
 
2013-02-19 11:55:46 AM  
Did anyone here read the part about how it will have an eye tracking feature? Why does me phone need to see where I am looking? Targeted advertising perhaps?

991.com
 
2013-02-19 11:55:58 AM  

hej: Antimatter: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

Actually, the way thes emobile chipsets work, often only as many cores as needed or the task are actually active.  The rest just sit there.

I've heard this claim plenty of times, yet somehow the battery life still gets progressively worse as new models come out.  I suppose it's possible that it could be more to do with the unnecessarily high clock speed.


As I wrote above, my four-core Note II gets great battery life.  Not necessarily because of the active cores, but because of advances in batteries, this one has 3100mAh.
 
2013-02-19 11:57:06 AM  

ajgeek: Great... Why? And "because they can" is not a legitimate answer. Neither is "e-peen" or a variant thereof.


"Because they can" is the ultimate legitimate answer.

hej: I've heard this claim plenty of times, yet somehow the battery life still gets progressively worse as new models come out. I suppose it's possible that it could be more to do with the unnecessarily high clock speed.


Samsung's Exynos Octa architecture uses something that Samsung refers to as big.LITTLE architecture. There's 8 cores, but the cores are actually divided into 2 quadcore processors. When a lot of computational power is necessary, a quad-core 1.2 GHz ARM Cortex A15 processor takes over. When there's not much power required (i.e. just web browsing or whatever), the Cortex A15 processor shuts off and the processing will be handled by a 1.2 GHz quad-core Cortex A7 processor (which is a lot lower powered than the processors on most phones nowadays).

So it gives you the power to do a lot, but when there's not much system stress, it switches chips and it scales power draw back.
 
2013-02-19 11:58:22 AM  

Slaxl: hej: I've heard this claim plenty of times, yet somehow the battery life still gets progressively worse as new models come out.  I suppose it's possible that it could be more to do with the unnecessarily high clock speed.

I thought battery life was improving. Of course we're still nowhere near the Nokia bricks of the early 00s, that lasted forever, but these are very different devices. They're more computer than phone. That they can last a day is amazing. It's going to be a long time before smartphones can last for a week. When they do something even better will come out with more power hungriness.


Yeah. I used to only charge my Nokia once a week. Then again, back in those days, I turned my cell phone off whenever I came home, because I had a land-line. Whatever the fark that used to be.
 
2013-02-19 11:59:43 AM  

Klitch: So when does Samsung become the same as Apple for putting out new iterations of the same phone with small unnoticeable tweaks every year?


cdn3.sbnation.com
Here's Samsung's curved-screen prototype. You can shut off the flat portion of the screen and only have a display on the curved "lip" so you can get text messages and alerts without turning on the entire screen and drawing power.
 
2013-02-19 12:04:32 PM  

RexTalionis: ajgeek: Great... Why? And "because they can" is not a legitimate answer. Neither is "e-peen" or a variant thereof.

"Because they can" is the ultimate legitimate answer.

hej: I've heard this claim plenty of times, yet somehow the battery life still gets progressively worse as new models come out. I suppose it's possible that it could be more to do with the unnecessarily high clock speed.

Samsung's Exynos Octa architecture uses something that Samsung refers to as big.LITTLE architecture. There's 8 cores, but the cores are actually divided into 2 quadcore processors. When a lot of computational power is necessary, a quad-core 1.2 GHz ARM Cortex A15 processor takes over. When there's not much power required (i.e. just web browsing or whatever), the Cortex A15 processor shuts off and the processing will be handled by a 1.2 GHz quad-core Cortex A7 processor (which is a lot lower powered than the processors on most phones nowadays).

So it gives you the power to do a lot, but when there's not much system stress, it switches chips and it scales power draw back.


Good, because I was about to quote Newton's 2nd Law.  We can't be going around increasing our cores to infinity without thinking about the energy usage.
 
2013-02-19 12:06:18 PM  

Klitch: So when does Samsung become the same as Apple for putting out new iterations of the same phone with small unnoticeable tweaks every year?


That happened six months ago, where have you been?
 
2013-02-19 12:07:40 PM  

RexTalionis: Klitch: So when does Samsung become the same as Apple for putting out new iterations of the same phone with small unnoticeable tweaks every year?

[cdn3.sbnation.com image 850x565]
Here's Samsung's curved-screen prototype. You can shut off the flat portion of the screen and only have a display on the curved "lip" so you can get text messages and alerts without turning on the entire screen and drawing power.


Uh oh, didn't Apple patent the wedge already?

That's pretty cool though.
 
2013-02-19 12:10:05 PM  

Klitch: So when does Samsung become the same as Apple for putting out new iterations of the same phone with small unnoticeable tweaks every year?


So... do you actually think the differences between the hardware under the current SIII and the proposed hardware they're talking about here are "small unnoticeable tweaks"?
 
2013-02-19 12:10:38 PM  

unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.


And done.

Seriously, who needs this, 8GPUs in a phone for gods sake?
 
2013-02-19 12:11:55 PM  
I love my Samsung S2. Especially the part where it turns itself off for no apparent reason several times a day. Not all the time mind you, it can go for several days without issues, and then it starts up again.
Searching the innertubs reveals that this is not a problem just with Samsung, but also plagues other Android phones.
When my contract is up, I may search out other alternatives.
 
2013-02-19 12:12:26 PM  

farker99: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

And done.

Seriously, who needs this, 8GPUs in a phone for gods sake?


8 cores, not 8 GPUs.
 
2013-02-19 12:14:10 PM  

farker99: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

And done.

Seriously, who needs this, 8GPUs in a phone for gods sake?


It's one GPU with 8-cores. Big difference. 

The biggest argument FOR this is that the software coming out now is starting to finally use this power, at least in a gaming/media sense. Full HD video recording at 30fps is nothing to sneeze at.
 
2013-02-19 12:18:46 PM  
My HTC Droid is probably the coolest thing I've ever owned as far as functionality, usefulness, convenience and ease of use go.

/very pleased Android user
 
2013-02-19 12:20:44 PM  
I love my SIII, awesome phone. Wish I COULD upgrade, going to have to wait another year and a half, though.

Fun fact: Samsung has sold 100 million of the Galaxy line. Apple has sold only 85 million iPhones, and has had a longer time to do it in. Samsung must be doing something right if they were even able to overtake the cream of the "Buy a new phone every year with the same features" crop.
 
2013-02-19 12:23:58 PM  
is it waterproof? are they Marine Cores?
 
2013-02-19 12:24:07 PM  

Mikey1969: I love my SIII, awesome phone. Wish I COULD upgrade, going to have to wait another year and a half, though.

Fun fact: Samsung has sold 100 million of the Galaxy line. Apple has sold only 85 million iPhones, and has had a longer time to do it in. Samsung must be doing something right if they were even able to overtake the cream of the "Buy a new phone every year with the same features" crop.


Mostly because Apple can't get on the largest China mobile carriers and Samsung can.
 
2013-02-19 12:24:27 PM  

Slaxl: hej: I've heard this claim plenty of times, yet somehow the battery life still gets progressively worse as new models come out.  I suppose it's possible that it could be more to do with the unnecessarily high clock speed.

I thought battery life was improving. Of course we're still nowhere near the Nokia bricks of the early 00s, that lasted forever, but these are very different devices. They're more computer than phone. That they can last a day is amazing. It's going to be a long time before smartphones can last for a week. When they do something even better will come out with more power hungriness.


I agree... You get battery drain when you constantly have the screen on, as the illumination bulb sucks a lot of power, but otherwise  I get good battery life on my S3. As an added bonus, I just keep it plugged into the computer when I'm at the desk. High tech, I know, but some of these farkers might figure it out eventually.
 
2013-02-19 12:25:33 PM  

RexTalionis: Here's Samsung's curved-screen prototype. You can shut off the flat portion of the screen and only have a display on the curved "lip" so you can get text messages and alerts without turning on the entire screen and drawing power.


I've been hearing about curved screens for ages, but I never realized until I saw this photo that it's a terrible idea.

That convex portion of the screen is going to rub and scrape against things a lot more than a flat screen, especially a flat screen surrounded by a case that forms a "lip" around it. It's going to get scratched up, if not actually cracked, in no time flat.

I've had a couple of watches with convex crystals, and I'll never buy one again. Granted, something that's strapped to my wrist encounters walls more frequently than my phone does, but I imagine the same principles will apply.
 
2013-02-19 12:27:45 PM  

blue_2501: RexTalionis: ajgeek: Great... Why? And "because they can" is not a legitimate answer. Neither is "e-peen" or a variant thereof.

"Because they can" is the ultimate legitimate answer.

hej: I've heard this claim plenty of times, yet somehow the battery life still gets progressively worse as new models come out. I suppose it's possible that it could be more to do with the unnecessarily high clock speed.

Samsung's Exynos Octa architecture uses something that Samsung refers to as big.LITTLE architecture. There's 8 cores, but the cores are actually divided into 2 quadcore processors. When a lot of computational power is necessary, a quad-core 1.2 GHz ARM Cortex A15 processor takes over. When there's not much power required (i.e. just web browsing or whatever), the Cortex A15 processor shuts off and the processing will be handled by a 1.2 GHz quad-core Cortex A7 processor (which is a lot lower powered than the processors on most phones nowadays).

So it gives you the power to do a lot, but when there's not much system stress, it switches chips and it scales power draw back.

Good, because I was about to quote Newton's 2nd Law.  We can't be going around increasing our cores to infinity without thinking about the energy usage.



The devil is always in the details. Faster doesn't always mean less battery life. My Galaxy S3 is quite a bit faster than my HTC EVO 4G was, but also gets MUCH better battery life than the EVO 4G did too. Clever design goes a long way.

Since battery tech isn't nearly keeping up with advances in CPU power the chip makers have a lot of influence on battery life. They employ clever tricks like the one described above, but also have been squeezing more computational power out of chips while lowering their energy use. For instance, if I remember correctly when they shrink the chips to smaller die sizes (and thus use smaller and shorter "wires" inside the chips themselves) that makes the chip faster and more energy efficient at the same time.
 
2013-02-19 12:29:55 PM  

miscreant: Timmy the Tumor: read it again...8 core processor, 8 core GPU

not sure it'll be any faster to search and download albino goat porn or whatever you f*cks are into, but it's fun to have new things

But you could probably attach it to a HDTV, split the screen, and play 8 separate goat porn videos at once!


8 goat porn videos at once!? Why, you need some sort goat porn co-processor....INTEL, GET ON THAT! The market has spoken.
 
2013-02-19 12:31:37 PM  
 
2013-02-19 12:33:25 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Uh oh, didn't Apple patent the wedge already?


They patented every object with any number of sides up and and including dodecahedron, and all shapes imaginable, and using quantum patent technology, their patents exist and yet don't exist in all known realities and times. They'd tell you how it works, but it may or may not be a secret that has or hasn't been leaked at your local bar.
 
2013-02-19 12:35:36 PM  

rooftop235: Did anyone here read the part about how it will have an eye tracking feature? Why does me phone need to see where I am looking? Targeted advertising perhaps?

[991.com image 350x365]


That's in the SIII right now, not a new feature of the SIV. It's supposed to keep your phone screen turned on while you are using it rather than timing out on you. I don't know if it works yet, I just got my SIII Sunday. It's much snappier than my last smartphone (HTC Incredible 2), and reception is better too. Apps open in a fraction of the time it took on my old phone, and it certainly is nice to step up into the 4G world.
 
2013-02-19 12:38:33 PM  

rooftop235: Did anyone here read the part about how it will have an eye tracking feature? Why does me phone need to see where I am looking?


It wants to know if you're checking out the guys junk when you're watching porn.
If so, then it's going to out you.
 
2013-02-19 12:42:59 PM  

hej: Antimatter: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

Actually, the way thes emobile chipsets work, often only as many cores as needed or the task are actually active.  The rest just sit there.

I've heard this claim plenty of times, yet somehow the battery life still gets progressively worse as new models come out.  I suppose it's possible that it could be more to do with the unnecessarily high clock speed.


In real life, my Galaxy S3 gets much better battery life than my Galaxy S2 ever did, plus it is much quicker. The higher clock speed and multi-core is really needed with the WiFi/BT/GPS all functioning at the same time to deliver the data faster. For what I do, the S2 was hardly used because it was too slow and needed to constantly sit on the battery charger to the S3 which does 70% of what I used to on the desktop with better much battery and speed performance. 16 Cores looks like nothing but a good thing for Samsung and Android.
 
2013-02-19 12:43:53 PM  

unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.


Came here to say this.

/always amused when the first thing any of my friends do when they come over is plug in their Samsung phones into an outlet
 
2013-02-19 12:45:52 PM  

Klitch: So when does Samsung become the same as Apple for putting out new iterations of the same phone with small unnoticeable tweaks every year?


Just as soon as Samsung claims to be changing the world by doing it.
 
2013-02-19 12:48:49 PM  

gingerjet: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

Came here to say this.

/always amused when the first thing any of my friends do when they come over is plug in their Samsung phones into an outlet


My sister in law and cousins have iPhones and that's the first thing they ever do when they dome over. I suppose the iPhone just ran on smug?

There's a reason AAPL is trading where it is.
 
2013-02-19 12:49:29 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I love my Samsung S2. Especially the part where it turns itself off for no apparent reason several times a day. Not all the time mind you, it can go for several days without issues, and then it starts up again.
Searching the innertubs reveals that this is not a problem just with Samsung, but also plagues other Android phones.
When my contract is up, I may search out other alternatives.


I've been using Android phones since they were first released and only the S2 had this issue for me. The other Android phones have their own unique problems.
 
2013-02-19 12:54:42 PM  

gingerjet: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

Came here to say this.

/always amused when the first thing any of my friends do when they come over is plug in their Samsung phones into an outlet


Why is that amusing?
 
2013-02-19 12:56:52 PM  

gingerjet: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

Came here to say this.

/always amused when the first thing any of my friends do when they come over is plug in their Samsung phones into an outlet


You're amused that your friends forget to charge their phones?  You should get out more.
 
2013-02-19 12:56:55 PM  

timujin: Klitch: So when does Samsung become the same as Apple for putting out new iterations of the same phone with small unnoticeable tweaks every year?

So... do you actually think the differences between the hardware under the current SIII and the proposed hardware they're talking about here are "small unnoticeable tweaks"?


Just to chime in, personally I don't believe that. But that exact criticism has been levied by Farkers against iPhones when they include camera, RAM, CPU, and body design upgrades.
 
2013-02-19 12:58:57 PM  

Mentalpatient87: Klitch: So when does Samsung become the same as Apple for putting out new iterations of the same phone with small unnoticeable tweaks every year?

Just as soon as Samsung claims to be changing the world by doing it.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-19 01:04:08 PM  

H31N0US: gingerjet: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

Came here to say this.

/always amused when the first thing any of my friends do when they come over is plug in their Samsung phones into an outlet

My sister in law and cousins have iPhones and that's the first thing they ever do when they dome over. I suppose the iPhone just ran on smug?

There's a reason AAPL is trading where it is.


Upon reading this I went and looked at the stock. Falling from $700 in August to $450 in February the following year is almost unbelievable.
 
2013-02-19 01:04:20 PM  

Drew: Mugato: So did Samsung's check clear, Drew?

If you can get them to write me one I'll cash the hell out of it


XD

Mentalpatient87: Klitch: So when does Samsung become the same as Apple for putting out new iterations of the same phone with small unnoticeable tweaks every year?

Just as soon as Samsung claims to be changing the world by doing it.


XD
 
2013-02-19 01:04:53 PM  

MightyPez: timujin: Klitch: So when does Samsung become the same as Apple for putting out new iterations of the same phone with small unnoticeable tweaks every year?

So... do you actually think the differences between the hardware under the current SIII and the proposed hardware they're talking about here are "small unnoticeable tweaks"?

Just to chime in, personally I don't believe that. But that exact criticism has been levied by Farkers against iPhones when they include camera, RAM, CPU, and body design upgrades.


The brand loyalty you see is pathetic.
 
2013-02-19 01:10:12 PM  

Doublespeak: MightyPez: timujin: Klitch: So when does Samsung become the same as Apple for putting out new iterations of the same phone with small unnoticeable tweaks every year?

So... do you actually think the differences between the hardware under the current SIII and the proposed hardware they're talking about here are "small unnoticeable tweaks"?

Just to chime in, personally I don't believe that. But that exact criticism has been levied by Farkers against iPhones when they include camera, RAM, CPU, and body design upgrades.

The brand loyalty you see is pathetic.


Agreed. I see more reasonable discussions about gaming consoles on GameFAQS than the weird mobile phone threads here.
 
2013-02-19 01:23:59 PM  

MightyPez: timujin: Klitch: So when does Samsung become the same as Apple for putting out new iterations of the same phone with small unnoticeable tweaks every year?

So... do you actually think the differences between the hardware under the current SIII and the proposed hardware they're talking about here are "small unnoticeable tweaks"?

Just to chime in, personally I don't believe that. But that exact criticism has been levied by Farkers against iPhones when they include camera, RAM, CPU, and body design upgrades.


Yeah, that is pretty stupid.  I see a lot of stupid in mobile phone threads here, from the insistence that every year's iPhone is exactly the same to the insistence that any phone with a large touchscreen that has icons on it is a complete knockoff of the iPhone.
 
2013-02-19 01:25:33 PM  

Mikey1969: I love my SIII, awesome phone. Wish I COULD upgrade, going to have to wait another year and a half, though.

Fun fact: Samsung has sold 100 million of the Galaxy line. Apple has sold only 85 million iPhones, and has had a longer time to do it in. Samsung must be doing something right if they were even able to overtake the cream of the "Buy a new phone every year with the same features" crop.


There have been 6 iPhones. There have been 45 Samsung Galaxy devices (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy ). If you're suggesting that flooding the market with cheap devices and a few flagships is doing it right, you're correct.
 
2013-02-19 01:28:11 PM  

RexTalionis: Klitch: So when does Samsung become the same as Apple for putting out new iterations of the same phone with small unnoticeable tweaks every year?

[cdn3.sbnation.com image 850x565]
Here's Samsung's curved-screen prototype. You can shut off the flat portion of the screen and only have a display on the curved "lip" so you can get text messages and alerts without turning on the entire screen and drawing power.


That's kinda sexy.  But to be honest, aren't there blinking lights on the S3 for text message/email notifications already?  I know my S3 does that when I get new stuff.
 
hej
2013-02-19 01:31:22 PM  

Slaxl: hej: I've heard this claim plenty of times, yet somehow the battery life still gets progressively worse as new models come out.  I suppose it's possible that it could be more to do with the unnecessarily high clock speed.

I thought battery life was improving. Of course we're still nowhere near the Nokia bricks of the early 00s, that lasted forever, but these are very different devices. They're more computer than phone. That they can last a day is amazing. It's going to be a long time before smartphones can last for a week. When they do something even better will come out with more power hungriness.


My Nexus 4 gets about half the battery life of my Galaxy S.  And that's despite it having a batter that's about 50% bigger, and having an LCD display instead of AMOLED.  And I thought that the newer versions of Android were supposed to be more efficient than the older ones...
 
hej
2013-02-19 01:34:50 PM  

hej: Slaxl: hej: I've heard this claim plenty of times, yet somehow the battery life still gets progressively worse as new models come out.  I suppose it's possible that it could be more to do with the unnecessarily high clock speed.

I thought battery life was improving. Of course we're still nowhere near the Nokia bricks of the early 00s, that lasted forever, but these are very different devices. They're more computer than phone. That they can last a day is amazing. It's going to be a long time before smartphones can last for a week. When they do something even better will come out with more power hungriness.

My Nexus 4 gets about half the battery life of my Galaxy S.  And that's despite it having a batter that's about 50% bigger, and having an LCD display instead of AMOLED.  And I thought that the newer versions of Android were supposed to be more efficient than the older ones...


And yes, I suppose this could be an apples & oranges comparison, since I'm comparing Samsung VS Qualcomm cpu's.
 
2013-02-19 01:36:16 PM  
You really need that much processing power for a 4 inch screen?
 
2013-02-19 01:42:45 PM  

Old enough to know better: You really need that much processing power for a 4 inch screen?


Since when is processing power correlated to screen size?
 
2013-02-19 01:45:09 PM  

Old enough to know better: You really need that much processing power for a 4 inch screen?


If it's full HD?  Sure, doesn't hurt.
 
2013-02-19 02:00:27 PM  

rooftop235: Did anyone here read the part about how it will have an eye tracking feature? Why does me phone need to see where I am looking? Targeted advertising perhaps?


Every 30 seconds (or the sleep duration) the camera on the S3 switches on to see if you are looking at it. If it detects your face it does not go to sleep. You can tell by the little eye icon that pops up in the status bar.

It is a very handy feature, I wish it were a stock Android feature, I miss it on my Nexus10.
 
2013-02-19 02:23:11 PM  
It's a farking phone sheeples, wake the f*ck up.
 
2013-02-19 02:26:58 PM  
bigpicture.typepad.com
/hot
 
2013-02-19 02:31:06 PM  

pkellmey: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I love my Samsung S2. Especially the part where it turns itself off for no apparent reason several times a day. Not all the time mind you, it can go for several days without issues, and then it starts up again.
Searching the innertubs reveals that this is not a problem just with Samsung, but also plagues other Android phones.
When my contract is up, I may search out other alternatives.

I've been using Android phones since they were first released and only the S2 had this issue for me. The other Android phones have their own unique problems.


Have to back this. I'm on my third Android phone (G2, then One S, now Nexus 4), and the only time I had a random shutdown problem was when using a very, VERY alpha custom Rom on the G2. This seems more like an issue with the Galaxy S2 than one with Android in general.
 
2013-02-19 02:42:16 PM  

timujin: cgraves67: timujin: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

The "16 cores" in the headline were nowhere in the article.  That being said, my four-core Note II has great battery life, better than that of many of my friend's phones.

Ah, a Note user.

I'm going to be in the market for a new smartphone in 6 months. That Note is pretty friggin' big. Do you find that to be an advantage or a drawback? Is there something in particular that you do that you need that big of a screen on a phone? Should I get a "phablet" if I already have a tablet?

I'm 6'3", my hands, head and pants pockets are scaled bigger than the average person's.  When people exclaim that my phone is huge, I ask them to hold theirs flat on their palm.  I do the same and mine is proportionally the same as theirs.

What I've found, functionally, is that I rarely use anything else.  I don't have a tablet, but I hardly touch my laptop or desktop when at home unless I'm doing something that requires a lot of typing.


On the other end of the spectrum, I have a Note I and I'm only 5'9". I mostly use two hands to type on it, but I have no problem swyping with one hand. I also use it in almost every situation. Also, I learned of an added benefit when I went snow skiing a few weeks ago: having a stylus means you don't have to take your gloves off in five degree weather to use the touchscreen.
 
2013-02-19 02:50:29 PM  
Yeah, way to go Apple, a phone with 16 cores. How many cores does a phone need to play Angry Birds anyway? And yet the Jobsophiles will eat this up with a spoon and ask for seconds.

Oh. Wait....
 
2013-02-19 03:01:44 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: It's a farking phone sheeples, wake the f*ck up.


Hey, you ever try to use a 4 inch touch screen with hooves? It's harder than it looks.
 
kab
2013-02-19 03:02:46 PM  

Old enough to know better: You really need that much processing power for a 4 inch screen?


If you're surprised by what the typical electronics consumer considers 'good', you aren't living up to your FARK handle.
 
2013-02-19 03:02:58 PM  
I have a Nexus, Daughter has an S2, sons have iPhone 4s' (cause they were cheap). Know what? All of the phones work. We can all watch Netflix, text AND make phone calls.

/It's all silly to me.
 
kab
2013-02-19 03:05:37 PM  

Earpj: I have a Nexus, Daughter has an S2, sons have iPhone 4s' (cause they were cheap). Know what? All of the phones work. We can all watch Netflix, text AND make phone calls.

/It's all silly to me.


Using a phone to watch Netflix is pretty silly, I'll agree.
 
2013-02-19 03:08:28 PM  

Phaeon: Also, I learned of an added benefit when I went snow skiing a few weeks ago: having a stylus means you don't have to take your gloves off in five degree weather to use the touchscreen.


Or, if you're skiing you could just leave the phone in your pocket and enjoy the farking day.
 
2013-02-19 03:15:38 PM  
kab:

Using a phone to watch Netflix is pretty silly, I'll agree

 The boys like watching it. *shrug* It works for them.
 
2013-02-19 03:19:15 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Or, if you're skiing you could just leave the phone in your pocket and enjoy the farking day.


I just checked with Ric Romero to confirm this, but it turns out that downhill skiing also involves long uphill treks where you remain idle for several minutes at a time (or even longer if that goddamn kid at the bottom can't get on without getting flipped over on his face and they have to stop it for the TENTH GODDAMN TIME SINCE YOU.... okay... okay... I'm okay...) and that some people may choose to communicate with friends, take pictures, or otherwise utilize the capabilities of their phone while waiting to go back down the hill instead of just sitting there picking their frozen boogers the whole way up.
 
2013-02-19 03:23:46 PM  
I just bought a GS3 after my Evo took a swan dive off of a cliff this past weekend, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...


/was trying to hold out for a GS4 :(
 
2013-02-19 03:24:59 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Or, if you're skiing you could just leave the phone in your pocket and enjoy the farking day.

I just checked with Ric Romero to confirm this, but it turns out that downhill skiing also involves long uphill treks where you remain idle for several minutes at a time (or even longer if that goddamn kid at the bottom can't get on without getting flipped over on his face and they have to stop it for the TENTH GODDAMN TIME SINCE YOU.... okay... okay... I'm okay...) and that some people may choose to communicate with friends, take pictures, or otherwise utilize the capabilities of their phone while waiting to go back down the hill instead of just sitting there picking their frozen boogers the whole way up.


Guess I'm old enough to remember not having a phone to take to the slopes, and still having a good time when we were idle.
 
2013-02-19 03:31:26 PM  
Finally.

I've put off upgrading my current phone (iPhone 3GS) to take a look at the S4.
 
2013-02-19 03:31:31 PM  
Cynisism has won. People don't care about seeing sense and making a rational argument. They want to be the first to say "No", and if not the first then at least they aren't in the majority....

Point is technology is progressing. Be happy with that. Miserable farkers that you are.
 
Ant
2013-02-19 03:31:45 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: It's a farking phone sheeples, wake the f*ck up.


It's a tiny little computer. Some of us happen to enjoy playing with the latest and greatest tiny little computers that also happen to allow you to make phone calls. I'm not sure why that makes us sheeple. What are you doing on the Geek tab anyway?
 
2013-02-19 03:39:30 PM  

Ant: What are you doing on the Geek tab anyway?


Valid point. Usually he clogs the Sports tab with his shiatty Cowgirls discussion. ;-)
 
2013-02-19 04:05:55 PM  
Umm, uh, what?
 
2013-02-19 04:06:23 PM  

kab: Using a phone to watch Netflix is pretty silly, I'll agree.


My data plan gives me unlimited data, so I watch Netflix when it's a cardio day at the gym.  It works out extremely well for me.  I have no other device that provides me with this opportunity.
 
2013-02-19 04:09:27 PM  
As i buy and S3 not 2 weeks ago. cause Fark iphone.
 
2013-02-19 04:11:01 PM  

Craps the Gorilla: As i buy and S3 not 2 weeks ago. cause Fark iphone.


Wat?
 
2013-02-19 04:14:10 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Craps the Gorilla: As i buy and S3 not 2 weeks ago. cause Fark iphone.

Wat?


Don't you base your purchasing decisions on what you dislike? It's a perfectly cromulent way to spend your hard earned money.
 
2013-02-19 04:27:04 PM  

cgraves67: timujin: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

The "16 cores" in the headline were nowhere in the article.  That being said, my four-core Note II has great battery life, better than that of many of my friend's phones.

Ah, a Note user.

I'm going to be in the market for a new smartphone in 6 months. That Note is pretty friggin' big. Do you find that to be an advantage or a drawback? Is there something in particular that you do that you need that big of a screen on a phone? Should I get a "phablet" if I already have a tablet?


I got the Note II in November, and I love it.  The size is an advantage 99% of the time and almost never causes any problems.  I'm even a modern-day fancy man who wears slim pants, and I have no issue carrying it around.  The huge screen is strange at first but once you get used to it you would never give it up.  My previous smartphones were all iPhones and they feel downright primitive now.
 
2013-02-19 04:56:04 PM  

shut_it_down: cgraves67: timujin: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

The "16 cores" in the headline were nowhere in the article.  That being said, my four-core Note II has great battery life, better than that of many of my friend's phones.

Ah, a Note user.

I'm going to be in the market for a new smartphone in 6 months. That Note is pretty friggin' big. Do you find that to be an advantage or a drawback? Is there something in particular that you do that you need that big of a screen on a phone? Should I get a "phablet" if I already have a tablet?

I got the Note II in November, and I love it.  The size is an advantage 99% of the time and almost never causes any problems.  I'm even a modern-day fancy man who wears slim pants, and I have no issue carrying it around.  The huge screen is strange at first but once you get used to it you would never give it up.  My previous smartphones were all iPhones and they feel downright primitive now.


The things is, it's not really a "phone" any more, it's my personal data device.  The other functions have long since eclipsed its use as a device for voice communications.  I probably use it for that about 10% of the time, the majority of my interactions these days happen over chat and text.  Calling it a "phone" is antiquated, like thinking of a desktop computer as a calculator, or even as a machine to create spreadsheets.  That functionality is still there, but it's only a tiny part of what I actually do.  I hold nearly the entire sum of human knowledge in my pants pocket, the fact that I can talk to people on it as well is a nice bonus.
 
2013-02-19 04:59:34 PM  

hej: hej: Slaxl: hej: I've heard this claim plenty of times, yet somehow the battery life still gets progressively worse as new models come out.  I suppose it's possible that it could be more to do with the unnecessarily high clock speed.

I thought battery life was improving. Of course we're still nowhere near the Nokia bricks of the early 00s, that lasted forever, but these are very different devices. They're more computer than phone. That they can last a day is amazing. It's going to be a long time before smartphones can last for a week. When they do something even better will come out with more power hungriness.

My Nexus 4 gets about half the battery life of my Galaxy S.  And that's despite it having a batter that's about 50% bigger, and having an LCD display instead of AMOLED.  And I thought that the newer versions of Android were supposed to be more efficient than the older ones...

And yes, I suppose this could be an apples & oranges comparison, since I'm comparing Samsung VS Qualcomm cpu's.


The US Galaxy S3 uses the same Qualcomm processor.
 
2013-02-19 05:07:54 PM  

rooftop235: Did anyone here read the part about how it will have an eye tracking feature? Why does me phone need to see where I am looking? Targeted advertising perhaps?

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Several people already noted, this is already in the current generation Galaxy, and primarily so the phone automatically shuts off when you're not looking at it.

Honestly though, if Samsung chooses to pursue it, there's about a dozen additional and pretty cool ways that eye tracking can be utilized. Simple things like auto-scrolling/auto-page turning in books or websites, or for 3D video, would be easy to implement. It could also be used for games, augmented reality applications, a customized interface, etc... I don't know how high the quality of Samsung's eye-tracking is,  but expect to see it in more phones going forward and with lots of cool uses.
 
2013-02-19 05:10:43 PM  

RexTalionis: Klitch: So when does Samsung become the same as Apple for putting out new iterations of the same phone with small unnoticeable tweaks every year?

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Here's Samsung's curved-screen prototype. You can shut off the flat portion of the screen and only have a display on the curved "lip" so you can get text messages and alerts without turning on the entire screen and drawing power.


No slam here, but it's like having a pager again, at least one you could call back on. . It's almost we have gone full circle: have pager, complain that you can't do much with it : have cellphone, complain it takes up too much, just need to see one line notifications.

God, I thought I was a genius when I thought they should take a pager and put a phone on it back in 8th grade. Where's my Apple money?
 
2013-02-19 05:19:35 PM  

GavinTheAlmighty: kab: Using a phone to watch Netflix is pretty silly, I'll agree.

My data plan gives me unlimited data, so I watch Netflix when it's a cardio day at the gym.  It works out extremely well for me.  I have no other device that provides me with this opportunity.


I can circumvent a whole TV license by having Netflix on my phone. I never watch TV at home, but it's nice to have something to fall asleep to. TV license £130, Netflix £60. Per Annum. Ish.

I should say I have a TV license and don't have Netflix, but that seems to me to be a good reason to have it. I have watched stuff on my phone. It's fine. Yeah it's not a cinema, that's fine, so don't watch stuff on it you want the full experience from. If it's something to help you sleep it doens't matter what size the screen is.
 
2013-02-19 05:25:59 PM  

kab: kab: Earpj: I have a Nexus, Daughter has an S2, sons have iPhone 4s' (cause they were cheap). Know what? All of the phones work. We can all watch Netflix, text AND make phone calls.

/It's all silly to me.

Using a phone to watch Netflix is pretty silly, I'll agree.


You do realize some phones have an HDMI / MHL port so they can put said display onto a 60" home TV / stereo, right?  Most of these phones have CEC built in (called many things, like Samsung's AnyNet, Sony's Bravia Sync, etc), allowing you to use your existing TV's remote so you don't really have to learn anything else.

You have a portable media center in your pocket, why bother shelling out another $100 for a dedicated media box?
 
2013-02-19 05:46:26 PM  

Supes: rooftop235: Did anyone here read the part about how it will have an eye tracking feature? Why does me phone need to see where I am looking? Targeted advertising perhaps?

[991.com image 350x365]

Several people already noted, this is already in the current generation Galaxy, and primarily so the phone automatically shuts off when you're not looking at it.


Is that eye-tracking or facial recognition? And if it shuts off/goes to sleep when you're not looking at it, how does it detect when you are looking at it? Do motion-sensors wake it?

Honestly though, if Samsung chooses to pursue it, there's about a dozen additional and pretty cool ways that eye tracking can be utilized. Simple things like auto-scrolling/auto-page turning in books or websites, or for 3D video, would be easy to implement. It could also be used for games, augmented reality applications, a customized interface, etc... I don't know how high the quality of Samsung's eye-tracking is,  but expect to see it in more phones going forward and with lots of cool uses.

Not to mention Jakob Nielsen's next smartphone usability paper. ;-)
 
2013-02-19 06:11:35 PM  

SleepingEye: You do realize some phones have an HDMI / MHL port so they can put said display onto a 60" home TV / stereo, right?


The one time I tried to do that, it output the phone's resolution to the TV.  Needless to say, it wasn't pretty. Perhaps it's a setting I screwed up, but it was not palatable on a 42" TV.  Maybe I just had bad streaming quality that one time though.
 
2013-02-19 06:34:57 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Is that eye-tracking or facial recognition? And if it shuts off/goes to sleep when you're not looking at it, how does it detect when you are looking at it? Do motion-sensors wake it?


Samsung calls is eye-tracking. Whether that's technologically accurate phrasing, I have no idea.... while I don't have a SIII, I've played around with it. Based on my limited experience, it's more advanced than facial recognition (which has been in some Android phones for awhile now), but not quite actually eye-tracking yet (I think it recognizes "eyes," but not actually where you are looking, which pure eye tracking would do).

Honestly, I don't remember if there's a way to wake it up via the tracking feature... I just remember the phone has an eye icon that pops up periodically when you're reading something on it, to check that you're still looking. It worked perfectly if I closed my eyes, and I could fool it inconsistently by looking sideways.

Pretty cool stuff, though more ambitious practical applications are probably still an iteration or two away.
 
2013-02-19 06:39:33 PM  
Where is gingerjet claiming that the iphone 5 has the fastest processor in the market?

I am an tech manager at one of the largest carriers in the US.

My phone, an s2, never had a problem with it, and with juice defender, i get two days out of fairly heavy use.

But then again how many people leave gps and wifi on all the time?

Call me when apple lets you schedule every app on the phone, wait because you cannot.

My phone came out in 2011, I am running jellybean, 4g, nfc, and have a 64 gig chip in it.  Sorry, the iphone sucks, and I have only my most used apps on the home screen.

And I wanted to, I could buy a bigger battery...

We just did a study at work, and the largest part of our tech support dollars go to the iphone for either faulty hardware which apples says is our fault, or iphone users not understanding how to use their phone.
 
2013-02-19 06:40:39 PM  

Supes: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Is that eye-tracking or facial recognition? And if it shuts off/goes to sleep when you're not looking at it, how does it detect when you are looking at it? Do motion-sensors wake it?

Samsung calls is eye-tracking. Whether that's technologically accurate phrasing, I have no idea.... while I don't have a SIII, I've played around with it. Based on my limited experience, it's more advanced than facial recognition (which has been in some Android phones for awhile now), but not quite actually eye-tracking yet (I think it recognizes "eyes," but not actually where you are looking, which pure eye tracking would do).

Honestly, I don't remember if there's a way to wake it up via the tracking feature... I just remember the phone has an eye icon that pops up periodically when you're reading something on it, to check that you're still looking. It worked perfectly if I closed my eyes, and I could fool it inconsistently by looking sideways.

Pretty cool stuff, though more ambitious practical applications are probably still an iteration or two away.


I have it on my s2, it turns the front facing camera on and monitors the movements of your eyes, mainly blinking and it keeps the screen on.
 
2013-02-19 06:50:00 PM  

timujin: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

The "16 cores" in the headline were nowhere in the article.  That being said, my four-core Note II has great battery life, better than that of many of my friend's phones.


I love my Note II. The battery is indeed incredible. Unfortunately I dropped the goddamn thing 3 days after I got it and put a few cracks in the screen. Sprint can't fix it in store (They need something called a "clean room") even though I have a new screen and parts ordered and in my possession. I'm not ready to shell out $200 on the insurance deductible yet either so soon to the initial cost of the phone. It still works great though.
 
hej
2013-02-19 06:59:27 PM  

imgod2u: hej: hej: Slaxl: hej: I've heard this claim plenty of times, yet somehow the battery life still gets progressively worse as new models come out.  I suppose it's possible that it could be more to do with the unnecessarily high clock speed.

I thought battery life was improving. Of course we're still nowhere near the Nokia bricks of the early 00s, that lasted forever, but these are very different devices. They're more computer than phone. That they can last a day is amazing. It's going to be a long time before smartphones can last for a week. When they do something even better will come out with more power hungriness.

My Nexus 4 gets about half the battery life of my Galaxy S.  And that's despite it having a batter that's about 50% bigger, and having an LCD display instead of AMOLED.  And I thought that the newer versions of Android were supposed to be more efficient than the older ones...

And yes, I suppose this could be an apples & oranges comparison, since I'm comparing Samsung VS Qualcomm cpu's.

The US Galaxy S3 uses the same Qualcomm processor.


I had the original Galaxy S, which was a single core 1ghz Samsung.
 
2013-02-19 07:05:34 PM  

MagSeven: timujin: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

The "16 cores" in the headline were nowhere in the article.  That being said, my four-core Note II has great battery life, better than that of many of my friend's phones.

I love my Note II. The battery is indeed incredible. Unfortunately I dropped the goddamn thing 3 days after I got it and put a few cracks in the screen. Sprint can't fix it in store (They need something called a "clean room") even though I have a new screen and parts ordered and in my possession. I'm not ready to shell out $200 on the insurance deductible yet either so soon to the initial cost of the phone. It still works great though.


I'm quite clumsy and have found that the $6/month charge for up to three full replacements is well worth it.  I think I might have a $50 deductible, but I'm not certain there's even that.
 
2013-02-19 07:08:35 PM  

timujin: MagSeven: timujin: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

The "16 cores" in the headline were nowhere in the article.  That being said, my four-core Note II has great battery life, better than that of many of my friend's phones.

I love my Note II. The battery is indeed incredible. Unfortunately I dropped the goddamn thing 3 days after I got it and put a few cracks in the screen. Sprint can't fix it in store (They need something called a "clean room") even though I have a new screen and parts ordered and in my possession. I'm not ready to shell out $200 on the insurance deductible yet either so soon to the initial cost of the phone. It still works great though.

I'm quite clumsy and have found that the $6/month charge for up to three full replacements is well worth it.  I think I might have a $50 deductible, but I'm not certain there's even that.


Hmm. I'm not sure Sprint ever offered me that deal (or if they had it). Would have been nice!
 
2013-02-19 07:13:03 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Guess I'm old enough to remember not having a phone to take to the slopes, and still having a good time when we were idle.


I can have a good time with other people when I'm idle. I also sometimes like to check things on my phone. Or take pictures of the dumbass that's HOLD UP THE DAMN LIF.....

Anyway, gotta learn to adapt, man. Integrate change, don't resist it just because it's different.
 
2013-02-19 07:21:22 PM  

timujin: MagSeven: timujin: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

The "16 cores" in the headline were nowhere in the article.  That being said, my four-core Note II has great battery life, better than that of many of my friend's phones.

I love my Note II. The battery is indeed incredible. Unfortunately I dropped the goddamn thing 3 days after I got it and put a few cracks in the screen. Sprint can't fix it in store (They need something called a "clean room") even though I have a new screen and parts ordered and in my possession. I'm not ready to shell out $200 on the insurance deductible yet either so soon to the initial cost of the phone. It still works great though.

I'm quite clumsy and have found that the $6/month charge for up to three full replacements is well worth it.  I think I might have a $50 deductible, but I'm not certain there's even that.


In the us any cell phone carrier, like tmobile, sprimt, att, and verizon that uses assurion as their insurance provider have 199 deductibles for smart phones, and it is only twice a year.
 
2013-02-19 07:21:38 PM  

theflatline: Where is gingerjet claiming that the iphone 5 has the fastest processor in the market?

I am an tech manager at one of the largest carriers in the US.

My phone, an s2, never had a problem with it, and with juice defender, i get two days out of fairly heavy use.

But then again how many people leave gps and wifi on all the time?

Call me when apple lets you schedule every app on the phone, wait because you cannot.

My phone came out in 2011, I am running jellybean, 4g, nfc, and have a 64 gig chip in it.   Sorry, the iphone sucks, and I have only my most used apps on the home screen.

And I wanted to, I could buy a bigger battery...

We just did a study at work, and the largest part of our tech support dollars go to the iphone for either faulty hardware which apples says is our fault, or iphone users not understanding how to use their phone.


LOL, sorry you feel that way. I love mine.
 
2013-02-19 07:56:12 PM  

theflatline: timujin: MagSeven: timujin: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

The "16 cores" in the headline were nowhere in the article.  That being said, my four-core Note II has great battery life, better than that of many of my friend's phones.

I love my Note II. The battery is indeed incredible. Unfortunately I dropped the goddamn thing 3 days after I got it and put a few cracks in the screen. Sprint can't fix it in store (They need something called a "clean room") even though I have a new screen and parts ordered and in my possession. I'm not ready to shell out $200 on the insurance deductible yet either so soon to the initial cost of the phone. It still works great though.

I'm quite clumsy and have found that the $6/month charge for up to three full replacements is well worth it.  I think I might have a $50 deductible, but I'm not certain there's even that.

In the us any cell phone carrier, like tmobile, sprimt, att, and verizon that uses assurion as their insurance provider have 199 deductibles for smart phones, and it is only twice a year.


I lost/destroyed my previous phone three times, that was the end of my coverage.  Each time the deductible was $50.  This time I got the next step up in insurance, though I don't remember offhand what the terms were and I'm much too lazy to bother looking them up right now.
 
2013-02-19 09:51:02 PM  

theflatline: Where is gingerjet claiming that the iphone 5 has the fastest processor in the market?

I am an tech manager at one of the largest carriers in the US.

My phone, an s2, never had a problem with it, and with juice defender, i get two days out of fairly heavy use.

But then again how many people leave gps and wifi on all the time?

Call me when apple lets you schedule every app on the phone, wait because you cannot.

My phone came out in 2011, I am running jellybean, 4g, nfc, and have a 64 gig chip in it.  Sorry, the iphone sucks, and I have only my most used apps on the home screen.

And I wanted to, I could buy a bigger battery...

We just did a study at work, and the largest part of our tech support dollars go to the iphone for either faulty hardware which apples says is our fault, or iphone users not understanding how to use their phone.


Geez, what a fanboi.
 
2013-02-19 09:51:07 PM  
I want to point out that you can buy an original Samsung Galaxy S in good condition for 85$ on Ebay. It is very easy to stably overclock it to 1.3ghz and run Jellybean on it. The roms are VERY MATURE, running better than anything you've seen from the factory.

I've set four of these up for relatives and they are pleased. How often can you use a 2 year old phone and still run your crap at full speed? Thats how good the real Galaxy S models are.
 
2013-02-19 10:37:46 PM  

Arkanaut: I come to bury the iPhone, not to praise it.


While Apple have been busy suing their competitors, said competitors have been innovating. Apple is stupid.
 
2013-02-20 12:40:25 AM  

MagSeven: timujin: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

The "16 cores" in the headline were nowhere in the article.  That being said, my four-core Note II has great battery life, better than that of many of my friend's phones.

I love my Note II. The battery is indeed incredible. Unfortunately I dropped the goddamn thing 3 days after I got it and put a few cracks in the screen. Sprint can't fix it in store (They need something called a "clean room") even though I have a new screen and parts ordered and in my possession. I'm not ready to shell out $200 on the insurance deductible yet either so soon to the initial cost of the phone. It still works great though.



A clean room is a room built with filtration to be dust free, as whenever you work on an unprotected screen the slightest dust spec can pretty much ruin the job and annoy you every time you look at the screen. Years ago when I added the Afterburner kit to my old Game Boy Advanced that was a concern. The way you got around it was to run a hot shower for a while so the bathroom gets all steamy, and the steam will keep the air more dust free than usual. So you do whatever part of the assembly that the screen is exposed during in the bathroom while the shower is going (not actually IN the shower, of course).
 
2013-02-20 01:25:23 AM  
Huh. It takes a lot of fancy gizmos to ring someone these days. I'm sure glad I kept my old Nokia, it doesn't need half this fancy stuff and it still takes calls!
 
2013-02-20 02:21:45 AM  

hej: imgod2u: hej: hej: Slaxl: hej: I've heard this claim plenty of times, yet somehow the battery life still gets progressively worse as new models come out.  I suppose it's possible that it could be more to do with the unnecessarily high clock speed.

I thought battery life was improving. Of course we're still nowhere near the Nokia bricks of the early 00s, that lasted forever, but these are very different devices. They're more computer than phone. That they can last a day is amazing. It's going to be a long time before smartphones can last for a week. When they do something even better will come out with more power hungriness.

My Nexus 4 gets about half the battery life of my Galaxy S.  And that's despite it having a batter that's about 50% bigger, and having an LCD display instead of AMOLED.  And I thought that the newer versions of Android were supposed to be more efficient than the older ones...

And yes, I suppose this could be an apples & oranges comparison, since I'm comparing Samsung VS Qualcomm cpu's.

The US Galaxy S3 uses the same Qualcomm processor.

I had the original Galaxy S, which was a single core 1ghz Samsung.


I'm *still* using an original Galaxy S, because my OMGWORSTPOSPHONEEVER LG Nitro finally bricked itself one too many times, and I was tired of popping out the battery every time I made or received a call, so I went back to my old one.

/Will be getting the S4 when I am eligible for an upgrade in June.
 
2013-02-20 02:23:49 AM  

Ciper: I want to point out that you can buy an original Samsung Galaxy S in good condition for 85$ on Ebay. It is very easy to stably overclock it to 1.3ghz and run Jellybean on it. The roms are VERY MATURE, running better than anything you've seen from the factory.

I've set four of these up for relatives and they are pleased. How often can you use a 2 year old phone and still run your crap at full speed? Thats how good the real Galaxy S models are.


Yeah, but it still has no flash and a terrible transceiver on it. I get no signal at all in my house with the S, but I had 3 bars here with my Nitro, and the roommates S2 has no issues either.
 
2013-02-20 02:27:36 AM  

Ciper: I want to point out that you can buy an original Samsung Galaxy S in good condition for 85$ on Ebay. It is very easy to stably overclock it to 1.3ghz and run Jellybean on it. The roms are VERY MATURE, running better than anything you've seen from the factory.

I've set four of these up for relatives and they are pleased. How often can you use a 2 year old phone and still run your crap at full speed? Thats how good the real Galaxy S models are.


Actually, ok.. I'll bite. I have a backup if this goes tits up. You have a stepped out instruction set up, or just "doing it for them?"

I spent all last weekend trying to get my Nitro stable, and I think I am kinda done with "lets see what works" modding for awhile, but if you have a step by step, I'd shoot for it.

JB? Really? I would be happy with ICS. I'm running GB on it. Saw someone running KL last weekend though. That was awesome.
 
2013-02-20 03:27:11 AM  

timujin: theflatline: timujin: MagSeven: timujin: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

The "16 cores" in the headline were nowhere in the article.  That being said, my four-core Note II has great battery life, better than that of many of my friend's phones.

I love my Note II. The battery is indeed incredible. Unfortunately I dropped the goddamn thing 3 days after I got it and put a few cracks in the screen. Sprint can't fix it in store (They need something called a "clean room") even though I have a new screen and parts ordered and in my possession. I'm not ready to shell out $200 on the insurance deductible yet either so soon to the initial cost of the phone. It still works great though.

I'm quite clumsy and have found that the $6/month charge for up to three full replacements is well worth it.  I think I might have a $50 deductible, but I'm not certain there's even that.

In the us any cell phone carrier, like tmobile, sprimt, att, and verizon that uses assurion as their insurance provider have 199 deductibles for smart phones, and it is only twice a year.

I lost/destroyed my previous phone three times, that was the end of my coverage.  Each time the deductible was $50.  This time I got the next step up in insurance, though I don't remember offhand what the terms were and I'm much too lazy to bother looking them up right now.


The deductible on the Note 2 is 150. Great phone, though. I have one myself. Phenomenal device.

gingerjet:
/always amused when the first thing any of my friends do when they come over is plug in their Samsung phones into an outlet

Do you have a humiliation and degredation fetish or something, because advertising either your incredible ignorance or your incredible trollishness so early in a thread pretty much invalidates any attempt by anybody else to take you seriously in any way.
 
2013-02-20 03:31:23 AM  
gingerjet:
/always amused when the first thing any of my friends do when they come over is plug in their Samsung phones into an outlet

You have friends when you're that much of a blithering idiot or that much of a jackass? I'm surprised.
 
2013-02-20 03:32:06 AM  
Woops. Doubleposted my shock at the troll. Apologies.
 
2013-02-20 04:01:51 AM  

Slaxl: hej: I've heard this claim plenty of times, yet somehow the battery life still gets progressively worse as new models come out.  I suppose it's possible that it could be more to do with the unnecessarily high clock speed.

I thought battery life was improving. Of course we're still nowhere near the Nokia bricks of the early 00s, that lasted forever, but these are very different devices. They're more computer than phone. That they can last a day is amazing. It's going to be a long time before smartphones can last for a week. When they do something even better will come out with more power hungriness.


Depends on what you mean by "improving".  My Nokia "brick" from 2000 could use interchangeable batteries ranging from less than a quarter inch (quite thin at the time) to actual brick size.  The little battery gave me a couple days of use, the brick gave me a couple weeks.  That two week brick is no longer an option and I don't consider that an improvement.  I can't even go for a weekend in Vegas without packing my charger and cable.  My very first cell phone was a Sony Z100.  Came with a lithium battery that gave me a full 24 hours.  Even at 2 years old, it was giving me around 18 hours.  About the same as my Galaxy Nexus gets today.  So, 15 or 16 years down the road, I'm not seeing a big boost in Away From Charger time.   My current phone's been off the charger for about 10 hours and it's at 40% with very light use.

Sure my current phone does a lot more but all of the advances in energy storage have been immediately absorbed by increased power requirements.
 
2013-02-20 05:17:39 AM  

mongbiohazard: MagSeven: timujin: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

The "16 cores" in the headline were nowhere in the article.  That being said, my four-core Note II has great battery life, better than that of many of my friend's phones.

I love my Note II. The battery is indeed incredible. Unfortunately I dropped the goddamn thing 3 days after I got it and put a few cracks in the screen. Sprint can't fix it in store (They need something called a "clean room") even though I have a new screen and parts ordered and in my possession. I'm not ready to shell out $200 on the insurance deductible yet either so soon to the initial cost of the phone. It still works great though.


A clean room is a room built with filtration to be dust free, as whenever you work on an unprotected screen the slightest dust spec can pretty much ruin the job and annoy you every time you look at the screen. Years ago when I added the Afterburner kit to my old Game Boy Advanced that was a concern. The way you got around it was to run a hot shower for a while so the bathroom gets all steamy, and the steam will keep the air more dust free than usual. So you do whatever part of the assembly that the screen is exposed during in the bathroom while the shower is going (not actually IN the shower, of course).


Cool. That makes sense. The guy was trying to explain it to me and he made it sound like he needed sterile clothes and a "boy in the plastic bubble" sort of area. I think I'm just gonna throw an extra 25 into checking every week and pay the deductible in a month or so. Maybe sell the screen and adhesive housing I already bought on Ebay. I just hate to pay $200 on top of what I paid for the phone so soon. There is one last cell repair store I haven't looked into. Keeping my fingers crossed....
 
2013-02-20 05:19:42 AM  

Shadow Blasko: hej: imgod2u: hej: hej: Slaxl: hej: I've heard this claim plenty of times, yet somehow the battery life still gets progressively worse as new models come out.  I suppose it's possible that it could be more to do with the unnecessarily high clock speed.

I thought battery life was improving. Of course we're still nowhere near the Nokia bricks of the early 00s, that lasted forever, but these are very different devices. They're more computer than phone. That they can last a day is amazing. It's going to be a long time before smartphones can last for a week. When they do something even better will come out with more power hungriness.

My Nexus 4 gets about half the battery life of my Galaxy S.  And that's despite it having a batter that's about 50% bigger, and having an LCD display instead of AMOLED.  And I thought that the newer versions of Android were supposed to be more efficient than the older ones...

And yes, I suppose this could be an apples & oranges comparison, since I'm comparing Samsung VS Qualcomm cpu's.

The US Galaxy S3 uses the same Qualcomm processor.

I had the original Galaxy S, which was a single core 1ghz Samsung.

I'm *still* using an original Galaxy S, because my OMGWORSTPOSPHONEEVER LG Nitro finally bricked itself one too many times, and I was tired of popping out the battery every time I made or received a call, so I went back to my old one.

/Will be getting the S4 when I am eligible for an upgrade in June.


I had an LG Rumor that I used to have to keep in the freezer for an hour in order to see the screen display for three hours. Once I figured out the system, It worked!
 
2013-02-20 08:02:44 AM  
The design is a tightly guarded secret?

Spoiler Alert!

Its a rectangle with rounded edges.
 
2013-02-20 12:39:33 PM  

Omis: The design is a tightly guarded secret?

Spoiler Alert!

Its a rectangle with rounded edges.


Sorry, Apple has that patented.
 
2013-02-20 12:56:27 PM  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZNgL15Q2IQ&feature=youtube_gdata_play er

Formula match ftw
 
2013-02-20 01:37:48 PM  

starsrift: Huh. It takes a lot of fancy gizmos to ring someone these days. I'm sure glad I kept my old Nokia, it doesn't need half this fancy stuff and it still takes calls!


No, these "fancy gizmos" aren't needed to "ring someone" and that's hardly the point any more.  The device I carry in my pocket is a portal into the entire history of mankind, a near sum of all of our knowledge available at my fingertips whenever I need it.  I also happens to make phone calls.

/also, the "hyuk, hyuk" yokel routine is going from stale to sad.  You don't have to want this capability, but acting as though that is somehow a more pure choice is stupid.  You sound like someone ten years ago saying they can make calls just fine, <yokel voice> all they need to do is go into their living room where their perfectly good phone is wired into the wall, they don't need to carry one o' them fancy portable phones around just to talk to folks.</yokel voice>
 
2013-02-20 03:26:59 PM  
I have the Galaxy SII and its battery life blows. I take it off the charger around 9am and by 5pm it's beeping "low battery".  This is not good enough.  I used to have a blackberry curve for work.  That bastard would laste four days on a single charge.  Last week they replaced it with the Sony "James Bond" phone.  I'm not sure I'm happy with this "upgrade", especially since the only requirements for my work phone are SMS and phone calls.  I don't need fancy Android features.

I won't get new phone that won't last a single day on a charge.   I've learned my lesson.
 
2013-02-20 09:42:42 PM  

timujin: starsrift: Huh. It takes a lot of fancy gizmos to ring someone these days. I'm sure glad I kept my old Nokia, it doesn't need half this fancy stuff and it still takes calls!

No, these "fancy gizmos" aren't needed to "ring someone" and that's hardly the point any more.  The device I carry in my pocket is a portal into the entire history of mankind, a near sum of all of our knowledge available at my fingertips whenever I need it.  I also happens to make phone calls.

/also, the "hyuk, hyuk" yokel routine is going from stale to sad.  You don't have to want this capability, but acting as though that is somehow a more pure choice is stupid.  You sound like someone ten years ago saying they can make calls just fine, <yokel voice> all they need to do is go into their living room where their perfectly good phone is wired into the wall, they don't need to carry one o' them fancy portable phones around just to talk to folks.</yokel voice>


The word you've lost with your portal into the entire history of mankind is luddite.
You missed the point. You're trapped into a cycle of hardware and software upgrades, just to make phone calls. Meanwhile, the other things you do with your phone there is a time and place for, which is also when you can access non-mobile devices. While you're out eating dinner, attending a meeting, or a billion other tasks of life, is not really the time to be pulling out your portal to the entire history of mankind. The world's going on around you, but you're focused into a little 5 inch screen while it passes you by. When is a time for these things? Well, when you're sitting down to work, or relax. Your office, most like. Or your couch at home.
 
2013-02-20 10:49:02 PM  

starsrift: timujin: starsrift: Huh. It takes a lot of fancy gizmos to ring someone these days. I'm sure glad I kept my old Nokia, it doesn't need half this fancy stuff and it still takes calls!

No, these "fancy gizmos" aren't needed to "ring someone" and that's hardly the point any more.  The device I carry in my pocket is a portal into the entire history of mankind, a near sum of all of our knowledge available at my fingertips whenever I need it.  I also happens to make phone calls.

/also, the "hyuk, hyuk" yokel routine is going from stale to sad.  You don't have to want this capability, but acting as though that is somehow a more pure choice is stupid.  You sound like someone ten years ago saying they can make calls just fine, <yokel voice> all they need to do is go into their living room where their perfectly good phone is wired into the wall, they don't need to carry one o' them fancy portable phones around just to talk to folks.</yokel voice>

The word you've lost with your portal into the entire history of mankind is luddite.
You missed the point. You're trapped into a cycle of hardware and software upgrades, just to make phone calls. Meanwhile, the other things you do with your phone there is a time and place for, which is also when you can access non-mobile devices. While you're out eating dinner, attending a meeting, or a billion other tasks of life, is not really the time to be pulling out your portal to the entire history of mankind. The world's going on around you, but you're focused into a little 5 inch screen while it passes you by. When is a time for these things? Well, when you're sitting down to work, or relax. Your office, most like. Or your couch at home.


I don't find that the descriptor applies, you're still using a phone, you're not sending your messages via semaphore or smoke signal.  And, no, I'm not "trapped" in anything, I upgraded my phone recently after having my previous Droid for three years.  I had the Q before that for just as long.  But it's still not "just to make phone calls", that's the exact point I was making, the device is for all of the other things I can do.  The fact that it also has the capability to make phone calls is nice.  It's also nice that my computer has a calculator app, but it's not the primary purpose for having one anymore.

As for the "time and place" argument, it is you who are missing the point.  You are again echoing those who a decade before would have said that the time and place for talking on the phone is when you're at home on the couch.  You don't, I hope, talk on your cellphone while eating dinner, attending a meeting or dealing with those "billion other tasks".  Nor am I "focused on a little 5 inch screen" during those times.

But purchasing a new CD by a band I just heard over a store speaker, finding out what the best Thai restaurant is in a five block radius of some random street corner I've never been to and will likely never be at again, taking a pic of something randomly beautiful or simply answering a question that has come up in conversation, all of those are things that this device allows me to do "in the moment" and that would be lost by the time I got to my home computer.

And since I can take all of that with me, since I can take care of those things as they come, I find I'm much more rarely on my couch.

Again, you don't have to want that capability, there's nothing wrong with not having it.  But to pretend that abstaining from it grants you some sort of purity of purpose makes you seem desperate for a sense of superiority.
 
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