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(The Verge)   The new Galaxy S4 with 16 cores, yes 16 cores, comes out just shy of the Ides of March   (theverge.com) divider line 137
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2013-02-19 10:26:11 AM
Great... Why? And "because they can" is not a legitimate answer. Neither is "e-peen" or a variant thereof.
 
2013-02-19 10:32:05 AM
So did Samsung's check clear, Drew?
 
2013-02-19 10:33:17 AM

ajgeek: Great... Why? And "because they can" is not a legitimate answer. Neither is "e-peen" or a variant thereof.


Because they can is the best answer. Otherwise we'd all be on old 50s computers, that take up 2 storey houses.
 
2013-02-19 10:33:53 AM
So I'm guessing a November release?

Good. Since my contract will be up by then and it looks like Jelly Bean won't make it to T-Mobile's GS2 till the next Ice Age, I can switch carriers just in time.

/ yes, I'm aware of the ROM's. But I just know with my luck that I'll be one of the few whose phone will brick when rooting.
 
2013-02-19 10:36:46 AM
And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.
 
2013-02-19 10:37:51 AM

Slaxl: ajgeek: Great... Why? And "because they can" is not a legitimate answer. Neither is "e-peen" or a variant thereof.

Because they can is the best answer. Otherwise we'd all be on in old 50s computers, that take up 2 storey houses.


FTFY
 
2013-02-19 10:46:02 AM

Mugato: So did Samsung's check clear, Drew?


If you can get them to write me one I'll cash the hell out of it
 
2013-02-19 10:52:39 AM
Was the 16 cores thing a joke, or did I miss something in the article?
 
2013-02-19 10:53:38 AM
That's a lot of Marines!
 
2013-02-19 11:01:47 AM

Drew: Mugato: So did Samsung's check clear, Drew?

If you can get them to write me one I'll cash the hell out of it


Easy way - "Fark party in Seoul, brought to you by Samsung, and probably Jose Cuervo".
 
2013-02-19 11:14:13 AM

unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.


The "16 cores" in the headline were nowhere in the article.  That being said, my four-core Note II has great battery life, better than that of many of my friend's phones.
 
2013-02-19 11:22:22 AM
HTC have just unveiled their new phone, but I can't see their website details.
 
2013-02-19 11:28:45 AM

Drew: Mugato: So did Samsung's check clear, Drew?

If you can get them to write me one I'll cash the hell out of it


Ha!

This will probably be my next phone.
 
2013-02-19 11:30:57 AM

timujin: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

The "16 cores" in the headline were nowhere in the article.  That being said, my four-core Note II has great battery life, better than that of many of my friend's phones.


read it again...8 core processor, 8 core GPU

not sure it'll be any faster to search and download albino goat porn or whatever you f*cks are into, but it's fun to have new things
 
2013-02-19 11:31:25 AM

timujin: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

The "16 cores" in the headline were nowhere in the article.  That being said, my four-core Note II has great battery life, better than that of many of my friend's phones.


Ah, a Note user.

I'm going to be in the market for a new smartphone in 6 months. That Note is pretty friggin' big. Do you find that to be an advantage or a drawback? Is there something in particular that you do that you need that big of a screen on a phone? Should I get a "phablet" if I already have a tablet?
 
2013-02-19 11:34:58 AM
I come to bury the iPhone, not to praise it.
 
2013-02-19 11:37:14 AM

Timmy the Tumor: read it again...8 core processor, 8 core GPU

not sure it'll be any faster to search and download albino goat porn or whatever you f*cks are into, but it's fun to have new things


But you could probably attach it to a HDTV, split the screen, and play 8 separate goat porn videos at once!
 
2013-02-19 11:41:18 AM
16 Cores..

It's O.K. for a car phone, i wouldn't want it in my house.
 
2013-02-19 11:43:05 AM

unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.


Actually, the way thes emobile chipsets work, often only as many cores as needed or the task are actually active.  The rest just sit there.
 
hej
2013-02-19 11:45:57 AM

Antimatter: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

Actually, the way thes emobile chipsets work, often only as many cores as needed or the task are actually active.  The rest just sit there.


I've heard this claim plenty of times, yet somehow the battery life still gets progressively worse as new models come out.  I suppose it's possible that it could be more to do with the unnecessarily high clock speed.
 
2013-02-19 11:48:52 AM
So when does Samsung become the same as Apple for putting out new iterations of the same phone with small unnoticeable tweaks every year?
 
2013-02-19 11:48:54 AM

cgraves67: timujin: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

The "16 cores" in the headline were nowhere in the article.  That being said, my four-core Note II has great battery life, better than that of many of my friend's phones.

Ah, a Note user.

I'm going to be in the market for a new smartphone in 6 months. That Note is pretty friggin' big. Do you find that to be an advantage or a drawback? Is there something in particular that you do that you need that big of a screen on a phone? Should I get a "phablet" if I already have a tablet?


I'm 6'3", my hands, head and pants pockets are scaled bigger than the average person's.  When people exclaim that my phone is huge, I ask them to hold theirs flat on their palm.  I do the same and mine is proportionally the same as theirs.

What I've found, functionally, is that I rarely use anything else.  I don't have a tablet, but I hardly touch my laptop or desktop when at home unless I'm doing something that requires a lot of typing.
 
2013-02-19 11:49:13 AM
Will it come with a car battery to sling around your shoulder to power it more than one hour?

/I know 16 was a joke.  Calm down.
 
2013-02-19 11:52:03 AM

hej: I've heard this claim plenty of times, yet somehow the battery life still gets progressively worse as new models come out.  I suppose it's possible that it could be more to do with the unnecessarily high clock speed.


I thought battery life was improving. Of course we're still nowhere near the Nokia bricks of the early 00s, that lasted forever, but these are very different devices. They're more computer than phone. That they can last a day is amazing. It's going to be a long time before smartphones can last for a week. When they do something even better will come out with more power hungriness.
 
2013-02-19 11:52:15 AM

Klitch: So when does Samsung become the same as Apple for putting out new iterations of the same phone with small unnoticeable tweaks every year?


Never, we only hate on Apple Fanboys, people that buy every iteration of a Samsung phone are just enthusiasts.
 
2013-02-19 11:52:57 AM

Timmy the Tumor: timujin: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

The "16 cores" in the headline were nowhere in the article.  That being said, my four-core Note II has great battery life, better than that of many of my friend's phones.

read it again...8 core processor, 8 core GPU

not sure it'll be any faster to search and download albino goat porn or whatever you f*cks are into, but it's fun to have new things


You read it again... that's not in there, either.
 
2013-02-19 11:55:46 AM
Did anyone here read the part about how it will have an eye tracking feature? Why does me phone need to see where I am looking? Targeted advertising perhaps?

991.com
 
2013-02-19 11:55:58 AM

hej: Antimatter: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

Actually, the way thes emobile chipsets work, often only as many cores as needed or the task are actually active.  The rest just sit there.

I've heard this claim plenty of times, yet somehow the battery life still gets progressively worse as new models come out.  I suppose it's possible that it could be more to do with the unnecessarily high clock speed.


As I wrote above, my four-core Note II gets great battery life.  Not necessarily because of the active cores, but because of advances in batteries, this one has 3100mAh.
 
2013-02-19 11:57:06 AM

ajgeek: Great... Why? And "because they can" is not a legitimate answer. Neither is "e-peen" or a variant thereof.


"Because they can" is the ultimate legitimate answer.

hej: I've heard this claim plenty of times, yet somehow the battery life still gets progressively worse as new models come out. I suppose it's possible that it could be more to do with the unnecessarily high clock speed.


Samsung's Exynos Octa architecture uses something that Samsung refers to as big.LITTLE architecture. There's 8 cores, but the cores are actually divided into 2 quadcore processors. When a lot of computational power is necessary, a quad-core 1.2 GHz ARM Cortex A15 processor takes over. When there's not much power required (i.e. just web browsing or whatever), the Cortex A15 processor shuts off and the processing will be handled by a 1.2 GHz quad-core Cortex A7 processor (which is a lot lower powered than the processors on most phones nowadays).

So it gives you the power to do a lot, but when there's not much system stress, it switches chips and it scales power draw back.
 
2013-02-19 11:58:22 AM

Slaxl: hej: I've heard this claim plenty of times, yet somehow the battery life still gets progressively worse as new models come out.  I suppose it's possible that it could be more to do with the unnecessarily high clock speed.

I thought battery life was improving. Of course we're still nowhere near the Nokia bricks of the early 00s, that lasted forever, but these are very different devices. They're more computer than phone. That they can last a day is amazing. It's going to be a long time before smartphones can last for a week. When they do something even better will come out with more power hungriness.


Yeah. I used to only charge my Nokia once a week. Then again, back in those days, I turned my cell phone off whenever I came home, because I had a land-line. Whatever the fark that used to be.
 
2013-02-19 11:59:43 AM

Klitch: So when does Samsung become the same as Apple for putting out new iterations of the same phone with small unnoticeable tweaks every year?


cdn3.sbnation.com
Here's Samsung's curved-screen prototype. You can shut off the flat portion of the screen and only have a display on the curved "lip" so you can get text messages and alerts without turning on the entire screen and drawing power.
 
2013-02-19 12:04:32 PM

RexTalionis: ajgeek: Great... Why? And "because they can" is not a legitimate answer. Neither is "e-peen" or a variant thereof.

"Because they can" is the ultimate legitimate answer.

hej: I've heard this claim plenty of times, yet somehow the battery life still gets progressively worse as new models come out. I suppose it's possible that it could be more to do with the unnecessarily high clock speed.

Samsung's Exynos Octa architecture uses something that Samsung refers to as big.LITTLE architecture. There's 8 cores, but the cores are actually divided into 2 quadcore processors. When a lot of computational power is necessary, a quad-core 1.2 GHz ARM Cortex A15 processor takes over. When there's not much power required (i.e. just web browsing or whatever), the Cortex A15 processor shuts off and the processing will be handled by a 1.2 GHz quad-core Cortex A7 processor (which is a lot lower powered than the processors on most phones nowadays).

So it gives you the power to do a lot, but when there's not much system stress, it switches chips and it scales power draw back.


Good, because I was about to quote Newton's 2nd Law.  We can't be going around increasing our cores to infinity without thinking about the energy usage.
 
2013-02-19 12:06:18 PM

Klitch: So when does Samsung become the same as Apple for putting out new iterations of the same phone with small unnoticeable tweaks every year?


That happened six months ago, where have you been?
 
2013-02-19 12:07:40 PM

RexTalionis: Klitch: So when does Samsung become the same as Apple for putting out new iterations of the same phone with small unnoticeable tweaks every year?

[cdn3.sbnation.com image 850x565]
Here's Samsung's curved-screen prototype. You can shut off the flat portion of the screen and only have a display on the curved "lip" so you can get text messages and alerts without turning on the entire screen and drawing power.


Uh oh, didn't Apple patent the wedge already?

That's pretty cool though.
 
2013-02-19 12:10:05 PM

Klitch: So when does Samsung become the same as Apple for putting out new iterations of the same phone with small unnoticeable tweaks every year?


So... do you actually think the differences between the hardware under the current SIII and the proposed hardware they're talking about here are "small unnoticeable tweaks"?
 
2013-02-19 12:10:38 PM

unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.


And done.

Seriously, who needs this, 8GPUs in a phone for gods sake?
 
2013-02-19 12:11:55 PM
I love my Samsung S2. Especially the part where it turns itself off for no apparent reason several times a day. Not all the time mind you, it can go for several days without issues, and then it starts up again.
Searching the innertubs reveals that this is not a problem just with Samsung, but also plagues other Android phones.
When my contract is up, I may search out other alternatives.
 
2013-02-19 12:12:26 PM

farker99: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

And done.

Seriously, who needs this, 8GPUs in a phone for gods sake?


8 cores, not 8 GPUs.
 
2013-02-19 12:14:10 PM

farker99: unlikely: And an extended battery life of 37 very long seconds will be one of the many reasons you love this device.

And done.

Seriously, who needs this, 8GPUs in a phone for gods sake?


It's one GPU with 8-cores. Big difference. 

The biggest argument FOR this is that the software coming out now is starting to finally use this power, at least in a gaming/media sense. Full HD video recording at 30fps is nothing to sneeze at.
 
2013-02-19 12:18:46 PM
My HTC Droid is probably the coolest thing I've ever owned as far as functionality, usefulness, convenience and ease of use go.

/very pleased Android user
 
2013-02-19 12:20:44 PM
I love my SIII, awesome phone. Wish I COULD upgrade, going to have to wait another year and a half, though.

Fun fact: Samsung has sold 100 million of the Galaxy line. Apple has sold only 85 million iPhones, and has had a longer time to do it in. Samsung must be doing something right if they were even able to overtake the cream of the "Buy a new phone every year with the same features" crop.
 
2013-02-19 12:23:58 PM
is it waterproof? are they Marine Cores?
 
2013-02-19 12:24:07 PM

Mikey1969: I love my SIII, awesome phone. Wish I COULD upgrade, going to have to wait another year and a half, though.

Fun fact: Samsung has sold 100 million of the Galaxy line. Apple has sold only 85 million iPhones, and has had a longer time to do it in. Samsung must be doing something right if they were even able to overtake the cream of the "Buy a new phone every year with the same features" crop.


Mostly because Apple can't get on the largest China mobile carriers and Samsung can.
 
2013-02-19 12:24:27 PM

Slaxl: hej: I've heard this claim plenty of times, yet somehow the battery life still gets progressively worse as new models come out.  I suppose it's possible that it could be more to do with the unnecessarily high clock speed.

I thought battery life was improving. Of course we're still nowhere near the Nokia bricks of the early 00s, that lasted forever, but these are very different devices. They're more computer than phone. That they can last a day is amazing. It's going to be a long time before smartphones can last for a week. When they do something even better will come out with more power hungriness.


I agree... You get battery drain when you constantly have the screen on, as the illumination bulb sucks a lot of power, but otherwise  I get good battery life on my S3. As an added bonus, I just keep it plugged into the computer when I'm at the desk. High tech, I know, but some of these farkers might figure it out eventually.
 
2013-02-19 12:25:33 PM

RexTalionis: Here's Samsung's curved-screen prototype. You can shut off the flat portion of the screen and only have a display on the curved "lip" so you can get text messages and alerts without turning on the entire screen and drawing power.


I've been hearing about curved screens for ages, but I never realized until I saw this photo that it's a terrible idea.

That convex portion of the screen is going to rub and scrape against things a lot more than a flat screen, especially a flat screen surrounded by a case that forms a "lip" around it. It's going to get scratched up, if not actually cracked, in no time flat.

I've had a couple of watches with convex crystals, and I'll never buy one again. Granted, something that's strapped to my wrist encounters walls more frequently than my phone does, but I imagine the same principles will apply.
 
2013-02-19 12:27:45 PM

blue_2501: RexTalionis: ajgeek: Great... Why? And "because they can" is not a legitimate answer. Neither is "e-peen" or a variant thereof.

"Because they can" is the ultimate legitimate answer.

hej: I've heard this claim plenty of times, yet somehow the battery life still gets progressively worse as new models come out. I suppose it's possible that it could be more to do with the unnecessarily high clock speed.

Samsung's Exynos Octa architecture uses something that Samsung refers to as big.LITTLE architecture. There's 8 cores, but the cores are actually divided into 2 quadcore processors. When a lot of computational power is necessary, a quad-core 1.2 GHz ARM Cortex A15 processor takes over. When there's not much power required (i.e. just web browsing or whatever), the Cortex A15 processor shuts off and the processing will be handled by a 1.2 GHz quad-core Cortex A7 processor (which is a lot lower powered than the processors on most phones nowadays).

So it gives you the power to do a lot, but when there's not much system stress, it switches chips and it scales power draw back.

Good, because I was about to quote Newton's 2nd Law.  We can't be going around increasing our cores to infinity without thinking about the energy usage.



The devil is always in the details. Faster doesn't always mean less battery life. My Galaxy S3 is quite a bit faster than my HTC EVO 4G was, but also gets MUCH better battery life than the EVO 4G did too. Clever design goes a long way.

Since battery tech isn't nearly keeping up with advances in CPU power the chip makers have a lot of influence on battery life. They employ clever tricks like the one described above, but also have been squeezing more computational power out of chips while lowering their energy use. For instance, if I remember correctly when they shrink the chips to smaller die sizes (and thus use smaller and shorter "wires" inside the chips themselves) that makes the chip faster and more energy efficient at the same time.
 
2013-02-19 12:29:55 PM

miscreant: Timmy the Tumor: read it again...8 core processor, 8 core GPU

not sure it'll be any faster to search and download albino goat porn or whatever you f*cks are into, but it's fun to have new things

But you could probably attach it to a HDTV, split the screen, and play 8 separate goat porn videos at once!


8 goat porn videos at once!? Why, you need some sort goat porn co-processor....INTEL, GET ON THAT! The market has spoken.
 
2013-02-19 12:31:37 PM
 
2013-02-19 12:33:25 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Uh oh, didn't Apple patent the wedge already?


They patented every object with any number of sides up and and including dodecahedron, and all shapes imaginable, and using quantum patent technology, their patents exist and yet don't exist in all known realities and times. They'd tell you how it works, but it may or may not be a secret that has or hasn't been leaked at your local bar.
 
2013-02-19 12:35:36 PM

rooftop235: Did anyone here read the part about how it will have an eye tracking feature? Why does me phone need to see where I am looking? Targeted advertising perhaps?

[991.com image 350x365]


That's in the SIII right now, not a new feature of the SIV. It's supposed to keep your phone screen turned on while you are using it rather than timing out on you. I don't know if it works yet, I just got my SIII Sunday. It's much snappier than my last smartphone (HTC Incredible 2), and reception is better too. Apps open in a fraction of the time it took on my old phone, and it certainly is nice to step up into the 4G world.
 
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