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(Time)   President Obama has his very own Catch-22. Difficulty: with kindergartners   (ideas.time.com ) divider line 26
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-19 10:36:40 AM  
even trickling down to preschools where children are expected to be "ready" for a kindergarten curriculum that would have been more appropriate to a 1st or second grade classroom 20 years ago.

Massachusetts recently required day care to have a learning plan for each child student. So day care is illegal, it has to be preschool.
 
2013-02-19 10:37:58 AM  
If states continue of this wrong-headed path, there's no reason to believe President Obama's laudable proposal won't inflict the same high-stakes testing climate on even younger kids.

Slippery slope argument is slippery.

Also I don't think she quite gets what a Catch 22 situation entails.

That noted some of her concerns are valid here even if hypothetical.
 
2013-02-19 11:11:56 AM  

quatchi:
Also I don't think she quite gets what a Catch 22 situation entails.



She probably thinks that saying "catch-22" is "catch-ey"

But yeah, not sure the author really understands what it is.
 
2013-02-19 11:21:03 AM  
Without better education, kids start out behind and lag further and further behind with each passing year, like the author of TFA.
 
2013-02-19 11:22:08 AM  
The author cannot seriously be suggesting that we are better off as a country by leaving access to early childhood education only to the incredibly wealthy
 
2013-02-19 11:24:06 AM  

kidgenius: quatchi:
Also I don't think she quite gets what a Catch 22 situation entails.


She probably thinks that saying "catch-22" is "catch-ey"

But yeah, not sure the author really understands what it is.


I think she meant that Obama is trying to run around after pre-schoolers like Rocky running after chicken; with the though that if he catches 22 of them he will indoctrinate them into being life-long democratic voters.
 
2013-02-19 11:26:41 AM  
The article was constructed entirely out of bricks of opinion without a single fact to mortar any two of them together.

/Author may even be right about one or two things, but who knows? It's not hard nowadays to link to references in your text.
 
2013-02-19 11:39:38 AM  

Lost Thought 00: The author cannot seriously be suggesting that we are better off as a country by leaving access to early childhood education only to the incredibly wealthy


Well, you very well can't have those 99%'s getting all uppity and wanting to improve their lot in life.
 
2013-02-19 11:40:08 AM  
Catch-22?
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m00
2013-02-19 11:41:36 AM  
Obama catches 22 kindergarteners? Where's Chris Hansen? Where's the MSM?
 
2013-02-19 12:46:08 PM  
The only way to get out of kindergarten is to be crazy.
But if you ask to get out...
 
2013-02-19 12:53:58 PM  
kindergartners?

how's that education working for you, subby?
 
2013-02-19 12:54:31 PM  

quatchi: If states continue of this wrong-headed path, there's no reason to believe President Obama's laudable proposal won't inflict the same high-stakes testing climate on even younger kids.

Slippery slope argument is slippery.

Also I don't think she quite gets what a Catch 22 situation entails.

That noted some of her concerns are valid here even if hypothetical.


She's saying "We did X with population A, and Y happened.  If we do X with population B, Y might happen again".

That's an *ANALOGY*, not a slippery slope.

Besides which, slippery slopes actually exist in the real world, and the mechanisms that allow them to happen have been described.
 
2013-02-19 01:38:14 PM  

Lost Thought 00: The author cannot seriously be suggesting that we are better off as a country by leaving access to early childhood education only to the incredibly wealthy


No. She's suggesting that it's a good idea that could be poorly implemented, mostly because state legislatures don't know what good education is and think we have to test everything into the ground.
 
2013-02-19 01:39:46 PM  
Do away with preschool and kindergarten. Let the kids be kids and start them out in the 1st grade, like they should be. Stop wasting taxpayer dollars on this nonsense.
 
2013-02-19 05:15:37 PM  
The previous holder of his job had a kindergarten problem of his own:  Inability to react to crisis until the fate of The Pet Goat was determined.  Sounding out the hard words was the most time-consuming part.

Anything Obama does is a step up.
 
2013-02-19 06:42:29 PM  

Lost Thought 00: The author cannot seriously be suggesting that we are better off as a country by leaving access to early childhood education only to the incredibly wealthy


I didn't realize my parents were incredibly wealthy.
 
2013-02-19 06:46:37 PM  

Pick: Do away with preschool and kindergarten. Let the kids be kids and start them out in the 1st grade, like they should be. Stop wasting taxpayer dollars on this nonsense.


I think it has a value.  Mostly for kids being given a chance to socialize in large groups, which many only-child kids can't do if they don't have groups of friends.  It allows kids to learn how to act in public around peers, hear stories, sing songs, play on a playground and slowly acclimate to the school environment they're about to enter.

However if the developments in Kindergarten she talks about are accurate, basically just 1st grade part one, then yeah, keep your kids out of there.  5 year olds don't need to be doing math and reading if they're not ready, and most aren't at that age.  It should be about socializing more than anything.
 
2013-02-19 06:57:07 PM  

calbert: kindergartners?

how's that education working for you, subby?


recently I heard someone on the radio refer to "Kindygarten".

really?
 
2013-02-19 08:32:24 PM  
Kindergartners can make pretty much anything a Catch-22 if you let them.
 
2013-02-19 09:27:28 PM  
Dear stupid conservative author:
THIS is a catch-22.

You:  "Hi.  I'd like to get a better job, and therefore increase my income.  I have no money, you see, and I'm sick of it."
Life:  "Oh, well that's simple, you just need to get an education."
You:  "Is that all, how do I do that?"
Life:  "You go to school, of course."
You:  "Okay.  Where do I sign up?"
Life:  "Wo-hoah there.  Can you pay for the tuition?"
You:  "What?  No, I have no money."
Life:  "Then you can't go to school."
You:  "So you're saying to get money I need to go to school, and to go to school I need to have money?"
Life:  "Yup.  We USED to have these things called 'student grants', where somebody else gave you the money, but now...well, we can't just be handing money out to every jackanapes that comes along, now can we?  National debt and entitlement attitudes, and all that."
You:  "So just to repeat, to get money I need to have money..."
Life:  "Oh and of course there's no guarantee that you'll get the job you train for when you graduate, not in this economy, but your student loan debts MUST be paid off-can't even get rid of them through personal bankruptcy."
You:  "So to MAYBE get money in the future, I DEFINITELY need money right now?"
Life:  "Yup,  Heck of a catch, that Catch-22."
 
2013-02-19 10:36:20 PM  

kidgenius: quatchi: Also I don't think she quite gets what a Catch 22 situation entails.

She probably thinks that saying "catch-22" is "catch-ey"
But yeah, not sure the author really understands what it is.


It's quite a catch, that catch-22.
 
2013-02-19 10:42:32 PM  

Pick: Do away with preschool and kindergarten. Let the kids be kids and start them out in the 1st grade, like they should be. Stop wasting taxpayer dollars on this nonsense.


What makes you think that 6 years of age and 1st grade are anything other than an arbitrary age and grade number that someone picked back in the day before people had really studied early childhood education?
 
2013-02-19 11:19:03 PM  
And yet he still beat the GOP handily in a presidential election.

Twice.

/is your presidential candidate smarter than a kindergartner?
//no
 
2013-02-19 11:24:31 PM  

Pick: Do away with preschool and kindergarten. Let the kids be kids and start them out in the 1st grade, like they should be. Stop wasting taxpayer dollars on this nonsense.


I just got done teaching two ESL preschool classes. My kids have a great time while I'm there - we run around, sing songs, jump up and down, and play with puppets. While the kids are having fun, they're acquiring a second language, especially phonics (which is much harder to develop later in life) and listening comprehension. There is no reason kids can't be kids in school while learning and developing skills they'll need to compete in a global economy, and I can think of few things the government could better spend money on than educating the next generation.
 
2013-02-21 09:39:59 PM  

kidgenius: quatchi:
Also I don't think she quite gets what a Catch 22 situation entails.


She probably thinks that saying "catch-22" is "catch-ey"

But yeah, not sure the author really understands what it is.


She has it posted on her own blog under a different title.

Editors often fark up with headlines.

/prays his editor isn't reading fark this week.
 
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