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(Talking Points Memo)   Marco Rubio's frothing response to the Obama Administration's proposed Immigration Reform Bill could actually wind up getting the bill passed   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com ) divider line
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2013-02-19 08:46:43 AM  
article states "could help pass A bill"

subby lies by saying "getting THE bill passed".

subby failed.
 
2013-02-19 09:05:37 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: article states "could help pass A bill"

subby lies by saying "getting THE bill passed".

subby failed.


LOL!  Really?

That's the best you can do?

Come on, man.  Give it the ol' college try.
 
2013-02-19 09:12:03 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: article states "could help pass A bill"

subby lies by saying "getting THE bill passed".

subby failed.


FTFA: This touring indignation act isn't just for Rubio's own benefit. The Republicans he needs to win over to pass a bill will be a lot more comfortable if they think they're somehow thumbing their nose at Obama by voting for it. We've seen this dynamic on other issues in recent weeks, most notably the debt ceiling, where conservative Republicans delivered a lot of macho partisan talk about a bill that was objectively a huge cave to the White House. If a compromise bill ends up passing, expect to see a lot of statements from Republicans supporters about how they stopped some non-existent White House "amnesty" bill.

So, basically, the article states, "could help pass the bill" and 10-Poc couldn't bring himself to finish reading the paragraph in question.

10-Poc fail.
 
2013-02-19 09:20:29 AM  
We've been reduced to arguing over definite and indefinite articles.
 
2013-02-19 09:24:16 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: article states "could help pass A bill"

subby lies by saying "getting THE bill passed".

subby failed.


you should throw a temper tantrum like Rubio did.  I'm sure that'll help your cause.
 
2013-02-19 09:31:58 AM  

coco ebert: We've been reduced to arguing over definite and indefinite articles.


1)  Latch on to some insignificant piece of the article because you're too dumb (or wrong) to address the primary topic.

2)  Farkers go nuts over your dumbass comment.

3)  Distraction profit with attention bonus!!!

It's the conservabot algorithm.
 
2013-02-19 09:35:53 AM  
GOP:  We have a plan.
Obama:  I also have a plan that's pretty much the same as your plan.
GOP:  We hate our plan.
Public:  Idiots.
GOP:  What?
Obama:  *troll face*
 
2013-02-19 09:37:53 AM  
FTFA: This touring indignation act isn't just for Rubio's own benefit. The Republicans he needs to win over to pass a bill will be a lot more comfortable if they think they're somehow thumbing their nose at Obama by voting for it. We've seen this dynamic on other issues....since January 2009.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-19 09:43:18 AM  

Somacandra: FTFA: This touring indignation act isn't just for Rubio's own benefit. The Republicans he needs to win over to pass a bill will be a lot more comfortable if they think they're somehow thumbing their nose at Obama by voting for it. We've seen this dynamic on other issues....since January 2009.

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Yep. Time to break out the guillotines.
 
2013-02-19 10:01:30 AM  
10 Poc not as entertaining as 2 Pac.
 
2013-02-19 10:04:32 AM  
Is Rubio the new Santorum?
 
2013-02-19 10:05:33 AM  
How do you say 'whoops' in Spanish?
 
2013-02-19 10:07:37 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: article states "could help pass A bill"

subby lies by saying "getting THE bill passed".

subby failed.


Listen, you need to step up your game. I know times are tough since they cut shill pay across the board because of the lack of results this last election cycle. You have to give that little bit extra, put a little feeling into your posts. If you don't the tenpoundsofcheese account is going to be retired.
 
2013-02-19 10:09:30 AM  

ib_thinkin: tenpoundsofcheese: article states "could help pass A bill"

subby lies by saying "getting THE bill passed".

subby failed.

FTFA: This touring indignation act isn't just for Rubio's own benefit. The Republicans he needs to win over to pass a bill will be a lot more comfortable if they think they're somehow thumbing their nose at Obama by voting for it. We've seen this dynamic on other issues in recent weeks, most notably the debt ceiling, where conservative Republicans delivered a lot of macho partisan talk about a bill that was objectively a huge cave to the White House. If a compromise bill ends up passing, expect to see a lot of statements from Republicans supporters about how they stopped some non-existent White House "amnesty" bill.

So, basically, the article states, "could help pass the bill" and 10-Poc couldn't bring himself to finish reading the paragraph in question.

10-Poc fail.


SHOCKED! SHOCKED I AM that TPOC can't read an article to save his life.
 
2013-02-19 10:09:43 AM  

kumanoki: How do you say 'whoops' in Spanish?


I thought he spoke Cuban? - - - Herman Cain
 
2013-02-19 10:11:17 AM  

Serious Black: Is Rubio the new Santorum?


He hasn't compared equal marriage to bestiality yet, so for the moment he's nothing more than the latest in the long string of useful minorities the GOP trots out to convince people they're totally not racist because see, it's the brown guy spewing the talking points.
 
2013-02-19 10:12:23 AM  

kumanoki: How do you say 'whoops' in Spanish?


encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-19 10:12:32 AM  

Serious Black: Is Rubio the new Santorum?


He's more the new Rick Perry.
 
2013-02-19 10:12:51 AM  
I wonder if the GOP is ever going to realize that you can't take people to the edge of fear and leave 'em there.  there's a rhythm to these sorts of things, like a roller coaster.  ups and downs and around corners and all that.  you need to back off the fear mongering, give people a break in between panic attacks.  if you push them too hard and keep them keyed up all the time, they burn out or start to accept what it is you wanted them to be afraid off all this time.
 
2013-02-19 10:13:15 AM  
Right-wing "antidote?"  Nope.  Just another right-wing a-hole.
 
2013-02-19 10:16:02 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Serious Black: Is Rubio the new Santorum?

He's more the new Rick Perry.


If he has another farkup like the SOTU rebuttal, yeah. He's had some ridiculously high expectations brought down a bit, which may work to his advantage eventually, but he can't afford another public error of that magnitude.
 
2013-02-19 10:17:23 AM  
The problem I have with all Republican immigration proposals is that they say we have to 'secure the border' first, before we do absolutely anything else.  But they never get around to defining that phrase, leaving me to assume that they mean 'we're going to put the goalposts on a Saturn rocket and see if you can catch them'.
 
2013-02-19 10:17:37 AM  

incendi: Philip Francis Queeg: Serious Black: Is Rubio the new Santorum?

He's more the new Rick Perry.

If he has another farkup like the SOTU rebuttal, yeah. He's had some ridiculously high expectations brought down a bit, which may work to his advantage eventually, but he can't afford another public error of that magnitude.


And Mitch Daniels' rebuttal was pretty damned solid, yet he wasn't seeking a higher office.  Correlation?
 
2013-02-19 10:19:37 AM  
They tried pushing 100lbs of shiat in a white paper bag on the public last November.
Now they're trying to push the same 100lbs of shiat in a brown paper bag on the public.
When will they learn that the bag means nothing? The shiat inside is still the same.
 
2013-02-19 10:20:49 AM  
Rubio is a bit out of his element. This guy is a flash in the pan gimmick and will be crushed in a primary.
 
2013-02-19 10:24:07 AM  

Weaver95: I wonder if the GOP is ever going to realize that you can't take people to the edge of fear and leave 'em there.  there's a rhythm to these sorts of things, like a roller coaster.  ups and downs and around corners and all that.  you need to back off the fear mongering, give people a break in between panic attacks.  if you push them too hard and keep them keyed up all the time, they burn out or start to accept what it is you wanted them to be afraid off all this time.


exactly, if Obama had lost they'd be in a good rhythm. Fox & Friends would be shilling for the federal government again, positive spin all around. American flags would return to their upside-right positions and ammo sales would drop.

But Obama got re-elected...

Now they have to continue to ratchet up the rhetoric further and further...what comes after potato?
If they soften up now they'll be seen as co-conspirators in the DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA AND THE CONSTITUTION AND FREEDOM by their own paranoid misled congregation.

/I think they were counting on an Obama loss, they've painted themselves into a corner while crying wolf...can't put that genie back in the bottle you've got cats to herd.
 
2013-02-19 10:24:51 AM  
GOP:  Where is Obama's leadership on this issue, and why isn't he showing us his plan?
Obama:  Okay, here is my plan.
GOP:  Obama is making this a hyper partisan issue by releasing a plan with his name attatched to it!!!!
 
2013-02-19 10:25:02 AM  
So he's using the same strategy that's worked sooooo well for the GOP the last few years.  No matter how reasonable the idea is, be sure to be dead set against it, and pull the outrage level as hard as you can.  Be sure to support the most backwards policy in opposition to appeal to your base of drooling morons, leaving your actual reasonable supporters and teetering moderates behind, and you'll win.

Good luck with that.  Nice to see the upcoming GOP hopeful is learning the losing playbook.  Let's see how long it takes him to make an unfortunate reference to women's health or creationism in the name of "god", and he'll be right in line with the last ten or so presidential hopefuls from the party.

You want to win and get things done?  Stop going stupid.  Clinton learned how to do it from the left side of the room in the 90s, and it worked wonders.  Now, learn how to do it from your side.
 
2013-02-19 10:26:43 AM  
Republican playing partisan games strictly to save face? I'm utterly surprised.
 
2013-02-19 10:26:51 AM  
Is Rubio demanding that we secure the border against Cuban immigrants too?
 
2013-02-19 10:27:16 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: article states "could help pass A bill"

subby lies by saying "getting THE bill passed".

subby failed.


You're a complete disaster for your side.
 
2013-02-19 10:27:53 AM  
Rubio Frothing?

Rick Santorum is no longer the favorite of the anti-gays, I see.
 
2013-02-19 10:28:21 AM  
Past a certain point, all the crying and fearmongering just doesn't work anymore - not even on the most die hard true believer.  human nature is that you can only be afraid for so long before you either 1. snap and go completely bug f*ck insane or 2. readjust to the fear and learn to live with it until it becomes the 'new normal'.
 
2013-02-19 10:29:41 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Rubio is a bit out of his element. This guy is a flash in the pan gimmick and will be crushed in a primary.


Hopefully.  Although, they are already paving his way... Jim Greer just did his bit not too long ago.
 
2013-02-19 10:29:54 AM  
Just more evidence that some people should not be paid attention to, but rather should simply be kicked in the nuts.
 
2013-02-19 10:30:42 AM  
www.rawstory.com


"I believe in federal financial aid. I couldn't have gone to college without it,"
....
..
"Government isn't going to help you get ahead. It's going to hold you back"
 
2013-02-19 10:31:52 AM  
I spent all weekend listening (from the inside) to the discussions surrounding the White House bill, and the Senate negotiations, so I finally get to say "I'm getting a kick out of the comments in this thread."
 
2013-02-19 10:34:50 AM  

DeathBySmiley: Rubio Frothing?

Rick Santorum is no longer the favorite of the anti-gays, I see.


Rubio and Santorum can froth together.  They're both sort of pretty.
 
2013-02-19 10:47:07 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: article states "could help pass A bill"

subby lies by saying "getting THE bill passed".

subby failed.



Are these like the lies that Hillary Clinton asked the congressional panel? I think we need some advice from 16.5 on the matter.
 
2013-02-19 10:47:23 AM  
Florida senator declared a leaked administration proposal on immigration reform "dead on arrival,"

So the same non-cooperation shiat we've seen from the Tea Tards for the past 4 years?
 
2013-02-19 10:48:32 AM  

Weaver95: Past a certain point, all the crying and fearmongering just doesn't work anymore - not even on the most die hard true believer.  human nature is that you can only be afraid for so long before you either 1. snap and go completely bug f*ck insane or 2. readjust to the fear and learn to live with it until it becomes the 'new normal'.


There is a third option, too.  Realize that what you are being told to fear really isn't scary and really isn't that much of an issue.  Of course, that means that you no longer buy what they're selling and start voting for a different party.

I feel pretty lucky that I had a lot of help with that in the late Clinton era when I was in college and had to deal with people outside of the conservative bubble.  Because of that I have never voted for a Republican presidential candidate, and likely never will.  I just remember at the time thinking about how worked up I was by the Republican spin machine and then they asked me to vote for W?  It didn't make sense at all to me that they promoted a man who was by all accounts worse than Clinton for all the reasons that they hated Clinton.

I mean, I understand being worked up about certain things, but if you're so outraged at big government and wasteful spending then don't be a party of huge government and extremely wasteful spending.
 
2013-02-19 10:49:44 AM  

InmanRoshi: [www.rawstory.com image 615x345]


"I believe in federal financial aid. I couldn't have gone to college without it,"
....
..
"Government isn't going to help you get ahead. It's going to hold you back"


And he went to a state school for undergrad, which means that portion of his education was heavily subsidized by Florida taxpayers. Of course, the fact that he went to U of Miami for law school means his grades and LSAT scores probably weren't good enough to get into either UF Law or the Florida politician wannabe backup school, FSU. Nobody who has political ambitions in Florida goes anywhere other than UF or FSU law school unless they're to dumb to get into UF or FSU.
 
2013-02-19 10:49:49 AM  
While the passing of Immigration Reform will do nothing immediately for Republican prospects, non-passage will leave them in the same hole that they were in the last election, possibly worse.  So at what point do the see the modestly-priced painting on their wall?  It's not the only Hispanic issue but it's significant enough that it will guarantee them continuing problems if they don't confront it.  Whether Rubio is used as a punching bag for either side is hard to say - I think he's got all the depth of thought on ANY subject of said brown paper bag.  But Rubio or not, Republicans will continue to face the issue - so Dems can continue to push slowly but inexorably to the eventual conclusion; continuing to define the terms of any legislation should be in their corner.  The Republicans should be wanting to move faster to agree on SOMETHING to take this chess piece off the table - the longer they wait, the less they'll get out of it.

In my opinion, the "end of the line" phrase ought to be defined by the Dems as soon as possible - what should that constitute?  Can "end of the line" include staying within the US as a Green Card holder, but back of the line in terms of citizenship?  Or is it the Self-deportation thing?  THAT would be the stickiest wicket.
 
2013-02-19 10:51:14 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: article states "could help pass A bill"
subby lies by saying "getting THE bill passed".
subby failed.


The problem is with the article.
 
2013-02-19 10:56:17 AM  

rynthetyn: And he went to a state school for undergrad, which means that portion of his education was heavily subsidized by Florida taxpayers. Of course, the fact that he went to U of Miami for law school means his grades and LSAT scores probably weren't good enough to get into either UF Law or the Florida politician wannabe backup school, FSU. Nobody who has political ambitions in Florida goes anywhere other than UF or FSU law school unless they're to dumb to get into UF or FSU.


Doesn't Florida have a program where people who meet a certain HS achievement criteria get a free (taxpayer funded)  full ride for a bachelors at the state school of their choosing?
 
2013-02-19 11:00:02 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Serious Black: Is Rubio the new Santorum?

He's more the new Rick Perry.


What?  He's gonna treat the country like his personal ATM?

 
2013-02-19 11:02:03 AM  

coco ebert: We've been reduced to arguing over definite and indefinite articles.


Welcome to fark?

I actually find it a relief that we are progressing upward from "you used an appostrophe incorrectly so anything you say is irrelevant".
 
2013-02-19 11:02:53 AM  

Bill the unknowing: While the passing of Immigration Reform will do nothing immediately for Republican prospects, non-passage will leave them in the same hole that they were in the last election, possibly worse.  So at what point do the see the modestly-priced painting on their wall?  It's not the only Hispanic issue but it's significant enough that it will guarantee them continuing problems if they don't confront it.  Whether Rubio is used as a punching bag for either side is hard to say - I think he's got all the depth of thought on ANY subject of said brown paper bag.  But Rubio or not, Republicans will continue to face the issue - so Dems can continue to push slowly but inexorably to the eventual conclusion; continuing to define the terms of any legislation should be in their corner.  The Republicans should be wanting to move faster to agree on SOMETHING to take this chess piece off the table - the longer they wait, the less they'll get out of it.


Which is kinda the double edged sword of the GOP putting Rubio at the point-pivot of the issue.     It would be much easier for the GOP to get it done and "off the table" if the guy leading the charge on immigration wasn't a guy who has to win over the GOP base in the 2016 Primary.    They would be better off with some Senate-lifer with no Presidential hopes like McCain.    It's going to take an amazing amount of political skill and intuition to pull off this dance, and I don't believe Rubio has the chops.
 
2013-02-19 11:04:13 AM  
Obama should use the Republicans' disconnection from reality for his own benefit:

Obama: Let's do this immigration thing, and create a better path to citizenship.
Rubio: (Checks index card of allowable things to say.)  Must secure borders first!
Obama: I'll cut you a deal.  First, we take steps to reduce net immigration from Mexico to zero.  Maybe even get things so more people are crossing the border in a southbound direction.  Then the Dream Act kicks in.
Rubio: (sotto voce) YOU FOOL!  THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!  There are eleventy billion Mexicans flooding into every state in the union every day!  Five of them just took my jerbs.  Now we never have to do anything!
Rubio: I take your deal.
Obama: Good.  So we'll make this Dream Act retroactive to April 2012?  Hasta la vista, baby.
Rubio: (Sip of water)

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2013-02-19 11:05:28 AM  

Saiga410: coco ebert: We've been reduced to arguing over definite and indefinite articles.

Welcome to fark?

I actually find it a relief that we are progressing upward from "you used an appostrophe incorrectly so anything you say is irrelevant".


yeah, but arguments over punctuation and word choice is a sure sign our local GOP cheerleaders are starting to really understand just how f*cked their party really is these days.
 
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