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(CNN)   Report: "Adam Lanza was trying to emulate the Norway massacre." So...he was trying to kill kids to prevent the liberal mainstream MSM media taking them into the socialist utopia through school? My kingdom for mental healthcare   (cnn.com) divider line 180
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2013-02-19 09:10:25 AM
Oh subby, that's because gun control people don't care about stopping shootings. They care about taking guns away from people they've never met.
 
2013-02-19 09:10:41 AM
AND VIDEO GAMES. HE PLAYED VIDEO GAMES.

DON'T FORGET VIDEO GAAAMMMESSS.

/Do we really have to do that song and dance again?
 
2013-02-19 09:10:45 AM
that headline gave me a god damn headache.
 
2013-02-19 09:11:33 AM
Mental healthcare.  Because once we have that figured out, we won't need to worry about the sorts of people who are scared of libby libs taking away their stupid guns.
 
2013-02-19 09:11:47 AM
Is this the comment thread where we get to talk about redundant use of acronyms? mainstream MSM media? Automatic teller ATM machines?
 
2013-02-19 09:11:57 AM
I have a Facebook friend who keeps ranting about how Christopher Dorner was a hero and we need to "continue his legacy". It's pretty clear he's had a psychotic break or something, but I don't think there's anything I can do about it unless he starts actually threatening people. :/
 
2013-02-19 09:12:20 AM
I blame the video gaming! They did this.
 
2013-02-19 09:12:27 AM
All the mental healthcare in the world would be little match for a prepper mom.
 
2013-02-19 09:13:03 AM
FTFA A spokesman for the Connecticut State Police dismissed the CBS report, calling it speculation.
 
2013-02-19 09:14:22 AM

WTF Indeed: Oh subby, that's because gun control people don't care about stopping shootings. They care about taking guns away from people they've never met.


Well I never met Nancy Lanza, and taking her guns would have prevented a massacre. So..kind of?
 
2013-02-19 09:14:28 AM

WTF Indeed: Oh subby, that's because gun control people don't care about stopping shootings. They care about taking guns away from people they've never met.


How do you suggest we deal with people who don't *want* treatment? Remember, his mom *had* been trying to get him help.

Are you OK with mental health hospitals locking up folks who haven't yet committed a crime, because they 'might'? That seems like a violation of due process.

It's easy to say "No, no! No gun control of ANY KIND EVER IS NEEDED BLAARRGGH HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST MORE BACKGROUND CHECKS ITS JUST A CONFISCATION LIIISSST, more mental health care!" like the NRA has been screaming, but what, exactly, is your suggestion? Saying "More mental health care" will solve the problem is exactly as helpful as the idiots that go "More gun control will fix it!" without any specifics whatsoever, or even paying attention to the facts or ramnifications of their arguments.
 
2013-02-19 09:14:57 AM

WTF Indeed: Oh subby, that's because gun control people don't care about stopping shootings. They care about taking guns away from people they've never met.


Pretty much.

They are just looking for excuses to push gun control.  Sandy Hook was the first mass shooting after the election, that's why it was such a big deal.  There was no huge "tipping point", that was media-manufactured because of a pre-defined agenda, but they knew they couldn't push it during the election season.

It's why Sandy Hook started a "dialogue" about gun control (i.e. gun control advocates trying to act like there is a vast consensus for as sweeping of gun control rules as they can get enacted) instead of the Aurora shooting.

Funny though, the same people who want universal healthcare aren't using this to push for increased availability of mental healthcare.  Drop the AWB and magazine restriction push and try to actually make serious mental healthcare available for all, without regard to insurance.
 
2013-02-19 09:15:07 AM
I have a real problem with the way CNN is reporting this.  They open up the article by stating that they are pretty sure that they now know the reason Lanza did what he did.  They even elaborated on what his motives were.  Then, half way down the page, they finally say, "the police think it's bullshiat and the CBS report is totally wrong and full of errors."

That's some great reporting there, guys.  Thanks for wasting my time.
 
2013-02-19 09:19:15 AM

Felgraf: AND VIDEO GAMES. HE PLAYED VIDEO GAMES.

DON'T FORGET VIDEO GAAAMMMESSS.

/Do we really have to do that song and dance again?


apparently every time someone mass murders someone, we have to find out if they played video games.

random detective:  horatio, looks like this kid played a lot of pong
horatio: looks like he really was *puts on glasses* going for the high score.

/yyeeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhh!
 
2013-02-19 09:20:43 AM

Silverstaff: There was no huge "tipping point"


Really? You're sure the massacre of a kindergarten class doesn't rate as an event that might tip opinion?
 
2013-02-19 09:21:03 AM

Citrate1007: FTFA A spokesman for the Connecticut State Police dismissed the CBS report, calling it speculation.


Yet that doesn't give them a second's thought to not stating just the opposite as a decoration hinting at an official report coming to the exact opposite conclusion.

As someone else stated in the other thread, they should be shouted at and have milkshakes thrown at  them when spotted in the street. per the Weatherman.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-19 09:21:44 AM

Silverstaff: WTF Indeed: Oh subby, that's because gun control people don't care about stopping shootings. They care about taking guns away from people they've never met.

Pretty much.

They are just looking for excuses to push gun control.  Sandy Hook was the first mass shooting after the election, that's why it was such a big deal.  There was no huge "tipping point", that was media-manufactured because of a pre-defined agenda, but they knew they couldn't push it during the election season.


Yes, the agenda of not wanting to get shot.
 
2013-02-19 09:21:47 AM
Oh look the guy with farking alien head is back on tv....

/Some alien museum called, wants their prop back.
//Still can't take the story seriously
///slashies
 
2013-02-19 09:21:54 AM
A spokesman for the Connecticut State Police dismissed the CBS report, calling it speculation.

So, basically, this is grade-A 100% pure Colombian bullshiat being reported as news at CBS and repeated by CNN.
 
2013-02-19 09:21:56 AM

AugustinerBrau: Is this the comment thread where we get to talk about redundant use of acronyms? mainstream MSM media? Automatic teller ATM machines?


Hey, I use my PIN number in the ATM machines all of the time.
 
2013-02-19 09:21:57 AM

durbnpoisn: I have a real problem with the way CNN is reporting this.  They open up the article by stating that they are pretty sure that they now know the reason Lanza did what he did.  They even elaborated on what his motives were.  Then, half way down the page, they finally say, "the police think it's bullshiat and the CBS report is totally wrong and full of errors."

That's some great reporting there, guys.  Thanks for wasting my time.


Agreed.  That was an absolutely worthless piece of "journalism".
 
2013-02-19 09:22:02 AM

Silverstaff: Funny though, the same people who want universal healthcare aren't using this to push for increased availability of mental healthcare. Drop the AWB and magazine restriction push and try to actually make serious mental healthcare available for all, without regard to insurance.


Again, would not have helped in the case of Sandy Hook, since his mom had *tried* to get him committed. But since he did not want to, and had not yet committed a crime, she couldn't.

How do you intend to address that? Create an extra-judicial body that can claim people sane/not sane and lock them up based on the suspicions of neighbors? Something else?

I'm not saying gun control is the answer. What I *AM* saying is saying "MOAR MENTAL HEALTH CARE MONIES" is *EXACTLY* as effective as those screaming "MORE GUN CONTRAL OF ANY KIND!"
/That is to say, not very.
 
2013-02-19 09:22:07 AM

Silverstaff: Funny though, the same people who want universal healthcare aren't using this to push for increased availability of mental healthcare.  Drop the AWB and magazine restriction push and try to actually make serious mental healthcare available for all, without regard to insurance.


Without a push for meaningless prohibitions upon scary-looking firearms, how will individuals who suffer from a pathological fear and hatred of firearms and firearm owners be satisfied?
 
2013-02-19 09:22:32 AM
Read some interesting articles over the weekend stating that the overwhelming majority of guns that end up in criminal's hands are given to them by family members and friends.
Gun control laws won't stop this.

I say get the insurance companies involved. You want a gun, you need liability insurance. Just like a car.
 
2013-02-19 09:22:44 AM
"A final report on the Newtown shooting is expected this summer."

Ironically, well after Obama hopes to pass legislation trampling our rights based solely off of what happened that day.
 
2013-02-19 09:23:09 AM

blacknite: Felgraf: AND VIDEO GAMES. HE PLAYED VIDEO GAMES.

DON'T FORGET VIDEO GAAAMMMESSS.

/Do we really have to do that song and dance again?

apparently every time someone mass murders someone, we have to find out if they played video games.

random detective:  horatio, looks like this kid played a lot of pong
horatio: looks like he really was *puts on glasses* going for the high score.

/yyeeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhh!


They also found out he read Huck Finn as a kid, so they're going to ban it from schools because it promotes mass murders.
 
2013-02-19 09:23:33 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Silverstaff: There was no huge "tipping point"

Really? You're sure the massacre of a kindergarten class doesn't rate as an event that might tip opinion?


You see, it happened right after a major election, therefore it had to have been staged.

/idiots actually believe this
 
2013-02-19 09:24:10 AM

Felgraf: AND VIDEO GAMES. HE PLAYED VIDEO GAMES.

DON'T FORGET VIDEO GAAAMMMESSS.

/Do we really have to do that song and dance again?



I'm going to go on a rampage and EVERYONE is going to get a damned arrow in the knee!  Soon as I get passed this infernal gorilla throwing barrels at me.
 
2013-02-19 09:24:26 AM

vpb: Yes, the agenda of not wanting to get shot.


To be fair, it is unlikely I will ever be shot. I own two guns, so it's more likely I'll be shot than people who don't, but even with that statistically higher risk hanging over my head, the odds are pretty low.

My agenda is more like "I don't mind having to accept some basic responsibility for the ownership and care of my guns as a comprehensive reform attempt aimed at keeping them out of the hands of criminals and lunatics so OTHER people don't get shot".

Apparently this makes me a horrible person who hates America.
 
2013-02-19 09:24:34 AM
Adam Lanza was a cowardly, sick little f*ck who was sensationalized by the media.  That is all.
 
2013-02-19 09:24:41 AM
I'm sure all the liberals calling for background checks on gun purchases or transfers will have no problem whatsoever with extending those checks to violent video games as well. Oh, you're being treated for ADHD? No CoD for you. Had a minor drug bust? No warcraft for you. Treated for depression at some point in your life? No halo for you, but hey, maybe you should try Hello Kitty Island Adventure. LoL.
 
2013-02-19 09:25:01 AM

Free Radical: Read some interesting articles over the weekend stating that the overwhelming majority of guns that end up in criminal's hands are given to them by family members and friends.
Gun control laws won't stop this.

I say get the insurance companies involved. You want a gun, you need liability insurance. Just like a car.


So you're saying we should regulate the militia?  I love this idea.  I don't see why anybody would be against it.
 
2013-02-19 09:25:30 AM
 
2013-02-19 09:25:45 AM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: "A final report on the Newtown shooting is expected this summer."

Ironically, well after Obama hopes to pass legislation trampling our rights based solely off of what happened that day.


Don't you know how legislators work?  "Ready, fire, aim!"
 
2013-02-19 09:26:08 AM

durbnpoisn: I have a real problem with the way CNN is reporting this.  They open up the article by stating that they are pretty sure that they now know the reason Lanza did what he did.  They even elaborated on what his motives were.  Then, half way down the page, they finally say, "the police think it's bullshiat and the CBS report is totally wrong and full of errors."

That's some great reporting there, guys.  Thanks for wasting my time.


Plus the headline mentions a 'report:'  apparently referring to the CBS report but misleading that they were indicating some official report.  Then at the very end admit that the official report won't be out until this summer.
 
2013-02-19 09:26:45 AM

durbnpoisn: I have a real problem with the way CNN is reporting this.  They open up the article by stating that they are pretty sure that they now know the reason Lanza did what he did.  They even elaborated on what his motives were.  Then, half way down the page, they finally say, "the police think it's bullshiat and the CBS report is totally wrong and full of errors."

That's some great reporting there, guys.  Thanks for wasting my time.


I'm just going to go ahead and repeat this since it's the most important part of the article that most of you didn't read.
 
2013-02-19 09:27:20 AM

Felgraf: AND VIDEO GAMES. HE PLAYED VIDEO GAMES.

DON'T FORGET VIDEO GAAAMMMESSS.

/Do we really have to do that song and dance again?


A 20 year old man played video games? That's pretty rare. There's obviously a connection.
 
2013-02-19 09:28:13 AM

Chinchillazilla: I have a Facebook friend who keeps ranting about how Christopher Dorner was a hero and we need to "continue his legacy". It's pretty clear he's had a psychotic break or something, but I don't think there's anything I can do about it unless he starts actually threatening people. :/


you could open a line of dialogue and try to draw out the depth of his feelings toward the subject. if it appears he is obsessed or has unhealthy views on the matter you might bring up other subjects and get around to mental health counseling. you could tell him of a 'friend' who sought help, and that there was nothing wrong with his doing so. you're right, you can't make anyone do anything. but if you care to you can try to get this person to seek help. i'm real big on Boondock Saints / Death Wish fun and games myself and I wish people would rise up and right wrongs. i'm also under the care of several doctors and a crapload of meds daily. more people need counseling than most people realize, IMHO. please don't look the other way. your friend may be crying out for help. best of luck to you and him.
 
2013-02-19 09:28:36 AM

Free Radical: Read some interesting articles over the weekend stating that the overwhelming majority of guns that end up in criminal's hands are given to them by family members and friends.
Gun control laws won't stop this.

I say get the insurance companies involved. You want a gun, you need liability insurance. Just like a car.


I like this idea.
 
2013-02-19 09:29:03 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Well I never met Nancy Lanza, and taking her guns would have prevented a massacre. So..kind of?


Silly liberal gun-grabber. Keeping guns out of the hands of a shooter is the ONLY thing that wouldn't prevent a shooting. Duh.
 
2013-02-19 09:31:00 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: A spokesman for the Connecticut State Police dismissed the CBS report, calling it speculation.

So, basically, this is grade-A 100% pure Colombian bullshiat being reported as news at CBS and repeated by CNN.


Looks like some unnamed LEOs talked off the record and somehow their idle speculation became "news" at both locations.

fta: The same officials also linked Lanza's actions to violent video games.

[NicehotmugofSTFU]
 
2013-02-19 09:31:05 AM

Felgraf: How do you suggest we deal with people who don't *want* treatment? Remember, his mom *had* been trying to get him help.


she also took him shooting at the shooting range and left her guns out where he could get them.
 
2013-02-19 09:31:31 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Silverstaff: There was no huge "tipping point"

Really? You're sure the massacre of a kindergarten class doesn't rate as an event that might tip opinion?



Yes.

Funny, Columbine happened right in the middle of the old AWB, and there wasn't a push for stricter gun bans.  Aurora happened and nobody was talking about more gun bans.

Something happens right after the President is re-elected and fearmongering anti-gun types come out of the woodwork talking about how guns only exist to murder people and how supposedly "common sense" gun restrictions like 10 round magazine limits and bans on scary black "military style" guns are needed.

Forbes Seems to agree that there was no real change.  Yeah, in the immediate aftermath 59% of people wanted stricter gun control. . .and that number fell quickly in later polls.  The immediate emotional impact got some more people wanting gun control, it's now 53% and been dropping steadily since the incident.

No tipping point, just talking points.  You know, the same people on the left who gripe about Republicans going "Think of the Children!" for so many things, now using "Think of the Children!" to promote gun control.
 
2013-02-19 09:32:48 AM

Chinchillazilla: Free Radical: Read some interesting articles over the weekend stating that the overwhelming majority of guns that end up in criminal's hands are given to them by family members and friends.
Gun control laws won't stop this.

I say get the insurance companies involved. You want a gun, you need liability insurance. Just like a car.

I like this idea.


Except there is no constitutional right to drive or own a car.  What happens if you don't pay for the insurance?  What happens if you don't buy enough coverage under the insurance?

Mandatory gun insurance would most likely be struck down as unconstitutional.
 
2013-02-19 09:33:22 AM

Hobodeluxe: Felgraf: How do you suggest we deal with people who don't *want* treatment? Remember, his mom *had* been trying to get him help.

she also took him shooting at the shooting range and left her guns out where he could get them.


Yup, things a responsible (trained) gun owner would know are stupid ideas.

/license them like vehicles
 
2013-02-19 09:34:08 AM

WhoopAssWayne: I'm sure all the liberals calling for background checks on gun purchases or transfers will have no problem whatsoever with extending those checks to violent video games as well. Oh, you're being treated for ADHD? No CoD for you. Had a minor drug bust? No warcraft for you. Treated for depression at some point in your life? No halo for you, but hey, maybe you should try Hello Kitty Island Adventure. LoL.


Yes, because shooting a virtual person on a TV is totally like slaughtering a classroom of living children.

Do you ever take a step back from your ideology (or trolling) to really consider what you're typing?

/itstimetostoptyping.jpg
 
2013-02-19 09:34:19 AM
Clearly the shooting had absolutely nothing to do with his mother teaching at Sandy Hook and her plans to institutionalize the little psycho.
 
2013-02-19 09:34:39 AM
It conveniently fits the "video games are to blame, not guns" false dilemma from the gun lobby crowd.  But I think both arguments have some merit in THIS case.

Lanza allegedly had a condition where he lacked the ability to process the pain and emotions of others, typically in a non-violent manner that is called "zero positive" on the empathy scale.  People are no different than objects in such a case, and there is a high degree of dependence on others to get by, but the traits of a psychopath are not generally present.

So it seems incredibly stupid and irresponsible to:

1)  Take him shooting for therapy purposes
2)  Allow him to play video games where he shoots "imaginary" people
3)  Leave him alone for extended periods to teach him "independence"


Based on what we know, we can speculate that the mother was largely to blame for this massacre based on her poor judgments.   To a person like Adam Lanza, the pain of being put in such situations by his mother (perhaps with a passing comment that the elementary school kids were more independent than him so he should be able to do X) could lead to a situation where he objectively saw shooting as a means to elimination in the same way one presses an "off" button on a device, and saw both his mother and the children in the school as sources of the pain to be turned off.

That's not to say we should do nothing about gun proliferation, though.  I think the laws and attitudes toward guns, in addition to the mother's laziness or ignorance, were probably factors that contributed to the woman's bad decisions.
 
2013-02-19 09:35:00 AM
great, more half assed reporting.

I thought the story of Nancy trying to get him committed was debunked.  Has it been confirmed or is it still speculation?
 
2013-02-19 09:35:17 AM
If your kid points his finger at someone and goes bang bang? Not a problem.

If your teenager is obsessed with Columbine, the Norway massacre and Newtown? Lock his little ass up; he's fixing to hurt a bunch of people.
 
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