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(The Week)   Thinking the law of averages means it's now safer to take a cruise? Well, think again... going adrift without power isn't the only disaster that has befallen cruise ships in recent years   (theweek.com) divider line 16
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2013-02-19 09:56:43 AM
3 votes:
That isn't how probability works.
2013-02-19 09:47:38 AM
3 votes:
I'll forward this article on to my girlfriend, who is pressuring me to go on a cruise.

I keep telling her that cruises are for lazy a-holes who can't plan a real vacation, but she still resists. As far as I'm concerned, she can go by her damn self.

To quote someone else I saw here on Fark, "Why would I want to be trapped in a boat with 2,000 other yahoos for a week straight?"
2013-02-19 10:46:35 AM
2 votes:
You get what you pay for.

I have been on 6 cruises with 3 different cruise lines. I have never had a bad experience, or even a ho-hum one. I have had a genuinely good-to-great time on each one. It partly depends on what your expectations are. When I go on vacation, I want to be: 1) catered to; and 2) be presented a variety of options.

Cruises offer a similar level of catering to all-inclusive resorts. I believe the advantage of cruise ships is that, if you take the opportunity, it allows a person to SAMPLE a variety of different places and activities. If you go to resort, you spend all of your time there. And lots of the all-inclusive resorts in the Caribbean are located in areas you wouldn't want to visit anyway (MX and the DR come to mind), so many people never leave the resort. With a cruise, if you find out you like a place after your 8-12 hour stay (6-10 in reality), then you can plan a longer visit on your own at a later date. If the place is boring as hell (Aruba comes to mind), then you can write that off without having to waste an entire week there.

To each their own. It's your vacation, try to have fun.
2013-02-19 10:23:32 AM
2 votes:

WhippingBoy: REO-Weedwagon: The biggest PR damage for Carnival last week wasn't even the ship breaking down. It was the the type of people coming off the ship being interviewed on TV solidifying my belief to never go on a cruise.

I saw one group of rubes being interviewed who were there for a bachelorette party. The bride-to-be was wearing a bedazzled pink hat with the word "Bride" on it. She and the dozen cows with her were sobbing uncontrollably about how this was supposed to be their special week together before Micaela ties the knot with Todd. Their biggest complaint was being denied the all-you-can-eat buffets for an entire week. Each of them were so disgusting they actually had cottage cheese fat on their arms.

You just described the average cruise ship passengers. I kid you not.


I have only been on one cruise, and it was in the 90s and NOT on Carnival, but the other passengers did NOT fit that description. Nobody was overweight. Various ages, but everyone was active and up for a good time. Had a blast. Maybe the problem is Carnival. They went for the Least Common Denominator to fill their huge ships. I chose a smaller ship, more exciting destinations (not to shop), and paid a bit more for the experience. Maybe Carnival is just the Walmart of the seas. That doesn't mean that Macys and Nordstroms aren't still sailing.
2013-02-19 09:55:20 AM
2 votes:
Reasons why not to go on a large cruise ship (recycled from a previous thread)

1) Overly macho captains showing off and accidentally driving boat aground
2) Rape and theft by sociopathic crew members who are never prosecuted because international waters
3) Mysteriously disappearing passengers (see #2)
4) Norovirus
5) Stuck on ship with 5,000 other idiots for days on end
6) Poseidon adventure
2013-02-19 09:53:09 AM
2 votes:
Stuck on a boat decked out as a shopping mall with a thousand tasteless tourists for a week.  Do not want.
2013-02-19 01:33:49 PM
1 votes:
Let's take a look, shall we?

1) Adrift and powerless:  Ship owner, Carnival Cruises.
3) Ran aground and capsized: Ship owner, Costa Cruises, Parent company?  Carnival.
4) Flu outbreak on Emerald Princess.  Ship owner, Princess Cruises.  Parent company?  Carnival.

Only three out of seven.  Not bad.
2013-02-19 11:25:35 AM
1 votes:
That's not the law of averages.  That's the gambler's fallacy.
2013-02-19 11:12:41 AM
1 votes:
I've been on two cruises in my life - one to the Caribbean a few years ago, and a Mediterranean cruise last fall. The first time we went (it was a Princess cruise), my wife and I were very excited about going, and about half way through the trip, we both looked at each other and said "can we just go home now?" The accommodations were fine, but dealing with just downright rude and ignorant passengers just got to me after a while. It's funny how people thought nothing of pushing you out of the way while in line to eat, or - in one case - I stopped to hold open a door for a group of women that was behind us in a hallway, and rather than get a simple "thank you", one of them shoved me out of the way. We were at dinner one evening and were seated with several other couples that we didn't know when one lady from New York City asked us where we were from. Upon hearing that we were "only" from Scranton, PA, she began to speak to us like we didn't have running water in our houses. The best was when she insisted that she order dinner for me (me: "no thank you, I don't care for fettuccine alfredo" but she snapped at the waiter to bring it to me). While at sea, I went to the pool one afternoon and was bitten about five times on the side of my hand by some kind of bug that left five very large and painful blood blisters that took several weeks to heal (I still have the scars from them), and the constant reminders and stopping every 10 feet to disinfect your hands because of norovirus got to be very tiring, especially when it could easily be stopped if the fat, unwashed masses on these boats would just wash their hands after they poop.

The only part of the trip we had any fun at were on the islands, simply because we were off that damn boat. When we decided to get married and head off for our honeymoon, we weren't sure where to go, but we did know that it wouldn't be on a cruise.

So - of course - we went on another one, this time to the Mediterranean. We didn't plan on going, but I didn't have to pay for any of it (a trade deal through my employer - I did have to act as a host for the group, and if somebody fell off the side of the boat I would have had to fill out some paperwork, so I kindly asked that nobody on the tour die until we got back). This cruise was with Royal Caribbean, which was a bit of a step up from Princess. The passengers were much better behaved - not as many Americans on the ship, so people were nicer (sorry - I'm an American, but we do tend to act like a-holes on vacation). The only odd thing about the Europeans is that the parents let their 12 year old daughters swim topless in the pool. I'm not a prude or anything, but as an American I'm scared that if I happen to catch a glimpse of a young woman without a top on, that the Baby Jesus himself would come in riding on a dinosaur and stab me in the heart.

What was tiring to me about the cruise was the "nickle-and-diming" that goes on to try to get you to spend extra. Every ten seconds when you're on the ship in any public area, somebody is stopping you to take a picture, which you can conveniently buy from them, including stopping you as you're just trying to get on the ship. Want a drink from the bar? Good luck finding something under 10 bucks (on vacation, I like to drink, and had I not hidden a bottle of vodka in my luggage, I would have gone broke at the bar). Sit down for breakfast, and before they even offer you coffee, somebody is in your face to buy a small glass of "fresh squeezed" orange juice for only $3. And not to mention the nightly art auctions - yes, for some reason, people seemed compelled to go out on a ship and buy crappy art at inflated prices and be happy.

Anyway - on land we did have a nice time. My wife is Italian, and with a mortgage and a kid I doubt that we'd ever be able to afford to go on our own, so I'm glad we went. But - my advice would be to avoid cruises - I'd much rather head to an all-inclusive resort or just get a hotel room in a city and go explore on my own rather than get back on a boat.
2013-02-19 11:11:11 AM
1 votes:

WhippingBoy: Corvusnex: I'm curious, WhippingBoy, what in your opinion makes my post insufferable?

Perhaps I'm being overly sensitive. My apologies.


No problem. I'm not new to Fark.

I just wanted to povide a counter to all the "cruising sux" comments that have been coming out lately. Honestly, I think people should just have as much fun on vacation as they can have, whether it be on the waves, in the air, or in some podunk town in the middle of nowhere. Work sux :( I'd rather be on vacation...
2013-02-19 11:09:48 AM
1 votes:

WhippingBoy: madgonad: I have only been on one cruise, and it was in the 90s and NOT on Carnival, but the other passengers did NOT fit that description. Nobody was overweight. Various ages, but everyone was active and up for a good time. Had a blast. Maybe the problem is Carnival. They went for the Least Common Denominator to fill their huge ships. I chose a smaller ship, more exciting destinations (not to shop), and paid a bit more for the experience. Maybe Carnival is just the Walmart of the seas. That doesn't mean that Macys and Nordstroms aren't still sailing.

In the 90's, people were thinner, less narcissistic, and more responsible with their money. People who took cruises were people who could generally afford them (i.e. more upper class), instead of ,morons who rack up massive credit card debt to satisfy an artificial "need".


The experience was enhanced greatly by sitting at a table with three other fun couples. My wife and I were on our honeymoon and the other three couples were celebrating their 5th, 20th and 25th anniversaries. The oldest couple were ludicrously wealthy - so high quality wine and booze were paid for the entire trip. I returned the favor by taking the two oldest couples along with us to scuba dive when we were in Belize. I had been there for half a year as a student and had local friends waiting for us at the harbor with equipment in hand to take us out to the reef. Cruises are just a location. They can be as awesome or dreadful as any other destination. Keep your mind open, make friends, and don't get bent out of shape over things you can't control. Oh, and always know the emergency exits... just in case.
2013-02-19 10:51:32 AM
1 votes:

Egalitarian: Reasons why not to go on a large cruise ship (recycled from a previous thread)

1) Overly macho captains showing off and accidentally driving boat aground
2) Rape and theft by sociopathic crew members who are never prosecuted because international waters
3) Mysteriously disappearing passengers (see #2)
4) Norovirus
5) Stuck on ship with 5,000 other idiots for days on end
6) Poseidon adventure


Perhaps the biggest reason: These ships are all registered outside of the U.S., so as to be exempt from all U.S. standards and laws, yet they make over 90% of their business from U.S. citizens. Funny how Congress doesn't find them worth regulating, despite the fact that they all have offices in-country.
2013-02-19 10:25:10 AM
1 votes:

doczoidberg: I'll forward this article on to my girlfriend, who is pressuring me to go on a cruise.

I keep telling her that cruises are for lazy a-holes who can't plan a real vacation, but she still resists. As far as I'm concerned, she can go by her damn self.

To quote someone else I saw here on Fark, "Why would I want to be trapped in a boat with 2,000 other yahoos for a week straight?"


I thought the same way until my wife dragged me onto a cruise.  It's not what you think it is.  It's actually a very good time.  And I'm usually the guy who doesn't do the tourist destinations, I eat what the locals eat, and I loath crowds.  I had a perfectly good time.
2013-02-19 10:12:06 AM
1 votes:

REO-Weedwagon: The biggest PR damage for Carnival last week wasn't even the ship breaking down. It was the the type of people coming off the ship being interviewed on TV solidifying my belief to never go on a cruise.

I saw one group of rubes being interviewed who were there for a bachelorette party. The bride-to-be was wearing a bedazzled pink hat with the word "Bride" on it. She and the dozen cows with her were sobbing uncontrollably about how this was supposed to be their special week together before Micaela ties the knot with Todd. Their biggest complaint was being denied the all-you-can-eat buffets for an entire week. Each of them were so disgusting they actually had cottage cheese fat on their arms.


You just described the average cruise ship passengers. I kid you not.
2013-02-19 10:05:44 AM
1 votes:
I don't think the law of averages is at play here. There are unseen economic forces at work. The cruise vacation market is now fully saturated. The competitors can't compete on luxuries or destinations anymore. They have to compete on cost. So they cut costs where ever it doesn't interfere with the customers' experiences. So, maintenance, training, wages, etc. The net result is that more shiat breaks, things aren't cleaned adequately, food isn't prepared correctly, and idiots drive ships into reefs.
2013-02-19 09:45:11 AM
1 votes:
Sometimes in, life bad things happen.  How frightened should you be?  We'll tell you at eleven!
 
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