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2013-02-19 06:31:11 AM
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2013-02-19 08:20:59 AM
Two Nestle horsemeat greenlights in a row.
 
2013-02-19 08:34:00 AM

SlothB77: Two Nestle horsemeat greenlights in a row.


Damnit! I liked my Nestle crunch bar one!

*kicks puppy*
 
2013-02-19 08:46:24 AM
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Horse, the better red meat.
 
2013-02-19 09:59:02 AM
Why the long face, subby?
 
2013-02-19 10:03:20 AM
Horse : "why should we hide in the lasagna ? Because they won't findus in there.
 
2013-02-19 10:05:45 AM
You would think at some point horsemeat would become the next foodie craze, and this whole thing would blow over.
 
2013-02-19 10:05:56 AM
I never wanted to eat horse until all these stories started coming out. Now I'm curious.
 
2013-02-19 10:09:32 AM
Still don't really understand this story. Horses are not bread for their meat like cattle are. Horses have less meat on them then cows. Raising or buying a horse seems like it would cost around the same in not more than a cow. Substituting horse meat sounds like it would cost the exact same if not more then it would to just have pure cow meat.
 
2013-02-19 10:09:44 AM
I know an old lady who swallowed a horse.

She died of course.
 
2013-02-19 10:11:42 AM
I'm sure someone has asked this, but I didn't see the answer. What are the odds that something like this could happen in the US? I'm figuring they're not that great, but I don't know what our import statistics are on something like this.
 
2013-02-19 10:11:44 AM

Chinchillazilla: I never wanted to eat horse until all these stories started coming out. Now I'm curious.


I never wanted to eat horse until I found out that almost all of the beef sold in the US comes from feedlots where the animals are fed growth hormones and antibiotics while standing knee deep in their own shiat. Yum.
 
2013-02-19 10:11:46 AM
I've got some shoes and a wallet made out of horse ass leather and they're far nicer than anything made out of cow. Can some intarweb anthropologist explain to me why meat from Bessie is delicious and desired while meat from Trigger is verboten?
 
2013-02-19 10:11:58 AM

CipollinaFan: Still don't really understand this story. Horses are not bread for their meat like cattle are. Horses have less meat on them then cows. Raising or buying a horse seems like it would cost around the same in not more than a cow. Substituting horse meat sounds like it would cost the exact same if not more then it would to just have pure cow meat.


That said, I don't have any particular problem eating a horse. Hard for me to consider horse meat scandalous outside of false advertising and deceptive business practices.
 
2013-02-19 10:12:13 AM
I don't know...  If you're enjoying your meal and someone has to tell you that there's horse meat in it, does it really matter?  I ran a summer camp kitchen on a shoe string budget one year.  And yes, we made nightly trips to the nearby animal shelter's throwaway bins.  Once meat is ground up, there's little taste to it that can't be masked with enough salt and pepper.  The kids never complained, no one got sick, and we fed them three meals a day.  What difference did it make?
 
2013-02-19 10:14:58 AM
Well, it's mislabled.
But at least its actually meat.
 
2013-02-19 10:15:54 AM

spentmiles: I don't know...  If you're enjoying your meal and someone has to tell you that there's horse meat in it, does it really matter?  I ran a summer camp kitchen on a shoe string budget one year.  And yes, we made nightly trips to the nearby animal shelter's throwaway bins.  Once meat is ground up, there's little taste to it that can't be masked with enough salt and pepper.  The kids never complained, no one got sick, and we fed them three meals a day.  What difference did it make?


Because you're ruining the flavor cooking it that way!
 
2013-02-19 10:16:01 AM

CipollinaFan: Still don't really understand this story. Horses are not bread for their meat like cattle are. Horses have less meat on them then cows. Raising or buying a horse seems like it would cost around the same in not more than a cow. Substituting horse meat sounds like it would cost the exact same if not more then it would to just have pure cow meat.


In countries that slaughter horses, you can sell your old/extras to an abattoir.   My guess is that someone is using unsold horsemeat as filler for their 'beef'.

When demand for horsemeat is low, there is perhaps economic incentive to make use of it.  Complicating matters though is that these foodmakers and/or their suppliers mix together meat that can come from many different origins.  For some reason, there seems to be little oversight to discourage the practice.
 
2013-02-19 10:16:19 AM

CipollinaFan: Still don't really understand this story. Horses are not bread for their meat like cattle are. Horses have less meat on them then cows. Raising or buying a horse seems like it would cost around the same in not more than a cow. Substituting horse meat sounds like it would cost the exact same if not more then it would to just have pure cow meat.


Sometimes calves can be had cheap at auction.... but horses are really going cheap.
You can get a horse some places for as little as $50.      Chop, chop, chop.... and that's how we get hamburgers.

middle class yuppies aren't boarding horses like they used to.   Not around here anyway.   Too expensive.
 
2013-02-19 10:17:31 AM
Noodles that make beef more economical = Hamburger Helper
Noodles that make horse meat more economical = Secretariat In The Stretch
 
2013-02-19 10:18:09 AM

TheDirtyNacho: CipollinaFan: Still don't really understand this story. Horses are not bread for their meat like cattle are. Horses have less meat on them then cows. Raising or buying a horse seems like it would cost around the same in not more than a cow. Substituting horse meat sounds like it would cost the exact same if not more then it would to just have pure cow meat.

In countries that slaughter horses, you can sell your old/extras to an abattoir.   My guess is that someone is using unsold horsemeat as filler for their 'beef'.

When demand for horsemeat is low, there is perhaps economic incentive to make use of it.  Complicating matters though is that these foodmakers and/or their suppliers mix together meat that can come from many different origins.  For some reason, there seems to be little oversight to discourage the practice.


I now understand.
Thank You
 
2013-02-19 10:18:12 AM

Agent Smiths Laugh: CipollinaFan: Still don't really understand this story. Horses are not bread for their meat like cattle are. Horses have less meat on them then cows. Raising or buying a horse seems like it would cost around the same in not more than a cow. Substituting horse meat sounds like it would cost the exact same if not more then it would to just have pure cow meat.

That said, I don't have any particular problem eating a horse. Hard for me to consider horse meat scandalous outside of false advertising and deceptive business practices.


Many in Europe don't have a problem outside of the Anglo countries, but yes the problem is not being told what meat was in our food, or being lied to. I imagine that most of this horse meat is coming from the meat that originates from the Eastern European countries that are in the EU but still way behind the times when it comes to any real oversight (Bulgaria and Romania come to mind).

Of course my cynical view is that the reason that these countries were admitted was to make it easier for German yo buy up all the industry, and use the cheap labor and inevitable lack of oversight due to lack of enforcement from years of poverty and Soviet Quality(tm) production standards to make a quick buck.
 
2013-02-19 10:19:53 AM

FarFarAway: I'm sure someone has asked this, but I didn't see the answer. What are the odds that something like this could happen in the US? I'm figuring they're not that great, but I don't know what our import statistics are on something like this.


Nothing is impossible, but the odds are low.  The US doesn't have any horse slaughterhouses and it would be way more expensive to import horsemeat from elsewhere than to use local beef.
 
2013-02-19 10:20:10 AM

brap: Noodles that make beef more economical = Hamburger Helper
Noodles that make horse meat more economical = Secretariat In The Stretch


That joke wins by 22 lengths.
 
2013-02-19 10:20:49 AM

spentmiles: I don't know...  If you're enjoying your meal and someone has to tell you that there's horse meat in it, does it really matter?  I ran a summer camp kitchen on a shoe string budget one year.  And yes, we made nightly trips to the nearby animal shelter's throwaway bins.  Once meat is ground up, there's little taste to it that can't be masked with enough salt and pepper.  The kids never complained, no one got sick, and we fed them three meals a day.  What difference did it make?


You're making me hungry!
 
2013-02-19 10:21:45 AM

C0rf: I've got some shoes and a wallet made out of horse ass leather and they're far nicer than anything made out of cow. Can some intarweb anthropologist explain to me why meat from Bessie is delicious and desired while meat from Trigger is verboten?


My own guess: Hollywood anthropomorphization (also why some people won't eat venison). That, or a now-obsolete but still active resistance to eating one's transportation?

/never had horse, but venison is delicious
 
2013-02-19 10:26:14 AM

Teknowaffle: Agent Smiths Laugh: CipollinaFan: Still don't really understand this story. Horses are not bread for their meat like cattle are. Horses have less meat on them then cows. Raising or buying a horse seems like it would cost around the same in not more than a cow. Substituting horse meat sounds like it would cost the exact same if not more then it would to just have pure cow meat.

That said, I don't have any particular problem eating a horse. Hard for me to consider horse meat scandalous outside of false advertising and deceptive business practices.

Many in Europe don't have a problem outside of the Anglo countries, but yes the problem is not being told what meat was in our food, or being lied to. I imagine that most of this horse meat is coming from the meat that originates from the Eastern European countries that are in the EU but still way behind the times when it comes to any real oversight (Bulgaria and Romania come to mind).

Of course my cynical view is that the reason that these countries were admitted was to make it easier for German yo buy up all the industry, and use the cheap labor and inevitable lack of oversight due to lack of enforcement from years of poverty and Soviet Quality(tm) production standards to make a quick buck.


Here's a british slaughterhouse caught selling horse for beef kebabs.  I'm thinking this has more to do with lax oversight causing some pennypinchers to think of ways to use unsold product.
 
2013-02-19 10:26:18 AM

Agent Smiths Laugh: CipollinaFan: Still don't really understand this story. Horses are not bread for their meat like cattle are. Horses have less meat on them then cows. Raising or buying a horse seems like it would cost around the same in not more than a cow. Substituting horse meat sounds like it would cost the exact same if not more then it would to just have pure cow meat.

That said, I don't have any particular problem eating a horse. Hard for me to consider horse meat scandalous outside of false advertising and deceptive business practices.


Or safety - if they have no idea what is going into their products, how can they know it is safe to eat?
 
2013-02-19 10:27:26 AM
You promised me dog or higher!
 
2013-02-19 10:28:01 AM
I think environmentalists do want us to buy and eat foods locally....rather than foods shipped long distances.

Save the fuel and pollution.    Be more environmentally friendly and slaughter one of your neighbors horses.

I mean, don't pick the children's favorite pony.   Whack one of the older ones on the head and no one will really mind.
 
2013-02-19 10:28:33 AM
Does the UK have an equivalent to the USDA, and are meat processing plants as restrictive/heavily regulated as they are here in the US?
 
2013-02-19 10:29:17 AM
Two points:

First, it appears that most of  this meat came from Romania (following a really, really convoluted route to France). Romania recently outlawed horse carts on the road so apparently there was an excess of now useless-for-transportation animals.

Second, the horse-for-beef swap (assuming horse meat is less expensive than beef, which in this case it probably was) is pretty subtle inflation. Think about it.
 
2013-02-19 10:29:24 AM

CipollinaFan: Still don't really understand this story. Horses are not bread for their meat like cattle are. Horses have less meat on them then cows. Raising or buying a horse seems like it would cost around the same in not more than a cow. Substituting horse meat sounds like it would cost the exact same if not more then it would to just have pure cow meat.


The "traces" of horse meat are the result of imperfect cleaning of equipment used to process both horse and beef.
 
2013-02-19 10:29:39 AM
Well plus it torpedoes all those "farm to fork" traceability programs - supposedly they can trace back the origins of all the meat in their products, but somehow they can't even definitively be sure what species of animal the meat came from...
 
2013-02-19 10:31:20 AM
Good salami is made from horse.  I like salami.  I don't see the problem here.
 
2013-02-19 10:31:33 AM
Aren't horses just fancy cows with better PR? Why can't we eat them?
 
2013-02-19 10:31:56 AM

Agent Smiths Laugh: CipollinaFan: Still don't really understand this story. Horses are not bread for their meat like cattle are. Horses have less meat on them then cows. Raising or buying a horse seems like it would cost around the same in not more than a cow. Substituting horse meat sounds like it would cost the exact same if not more then it would to just have pure cow meat.

That said, I don't have any particular problem eating a horse. Hard for me to consider horse meat scandalous outside of false advertising and deceptive business practices.


Depends on the horse.  If it was raised for food, it may be OK.  If it was a race horse, as many slaughtered horses are, then it's full of nasty drugs.
 
2013-02-19 10:33:50 AM
My opinion is you would be truly shocked if you knew everything that you had eaten throughout your life it would make horse meat look like the best cut of beef.
LClayhill
 
2013-02-19 10:34:44 AM

Godscrack: I know an old lady who swallowed a horse.

She died of course.


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Disapproves
 
2013-02-19 10:35:38 AM

CipollinaFan: Still don't really understand this story. Horses are not bread for their meat like cattle are. Horses have less meat on them then cows. Raising or buying a horse seems like it would cost around the same in not more than a cow. Substituting horse meat sounds like it would cost the exact same if not more then it would to just have pure cow meat.


Not if your country just banned horse drawn carriage travel...
 
2013-02-19 10:37:34 AM

Endive Wombat: Does the UK have an equivalent to the USDA, and are meat processing plants as restrictive/heavily regulated as they are here in the US?


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2013-02-19 10:38:50 AM

darkvstar: Chinchillazilla: I never wanted to eat horse until all these stories started coming out. Now I'm curious.

I never wanted to eat horse until I found out that almost all of the beef sold in the US comes from feedlots where the animals are fed growth hormones and antibiotics while standing knee deep in their own shiat. Yum.


Speaking of horsemeat... You realize that every one of your girlfriend/wife's body holes has been filled by the slabs of meat from multiple jabronis that left DNA in every one of her gangrenous crevices.  I bet you still dive for the muff.
 
2013-02-19 10:41:43 AM

IrateShadow: Good salami is made from horse.  I like salami.  I don't see the problem here.


I wouldn't necessarily be against eating horse.  However, I do want to know that what I'm buying is what I'm getting.  And I would like to know what I'm putting into my body, thankyouverymuch.

My friend had an old school countertop meat grinder he found somewhere around his grandparents hometown (small farming community).  Heavy as hell but worked awesome and was never gonna break.  If I could stumble across something similar I'd pick it up in a heartbeat.  Stupid easy to fake/contaminate ground meat, so I just avoid it at this point.
 
2013-02-19 10:47:59 AM
Wait, you mean my Hungry Man O'War dinners aren't 100% beef?

Thank goodness my Seattle Stew is still safe!
 
2013-02-19 10:49:50 AM
Someone should write a book about this....
 
2013-02-19 10:52:46 AM
#1 being the yummiest.  Chicken intentionally left out.

1. Porcupine (High mountain in fall)
2. Elk
3. Moose
4. Beef
5. Cougar
6. Venison
7. Horse
8. Brown Bear (cuz of the sausage)
... other things
#  Buffalo
... other things
# Rabbit
... other things
# Squirrel
... other things
# Earthworms
... all other things
# possum
 
2013-02-19 10:57:30 AM
I've eaten horse meat.  A horse steak more specifically.  While I was on my honeymoon, my wife and I were at some really out-of-the way restaurant in Catania, Sicily and for some reason I thought it was a good idea to order the carne piatto da portata or something like that.  It roughly translated to meat platter is all I knew and it didn't say what that entailed.  When they brought it out, it was almost glorious- sausages, hams, and to my surprise, a steak.  A grey rubbery steak.  About halfway through eating it, I decided to ask the waiter in my stilted Italian if the beef fresh, because the steak was just off.  It was then he told me it was horse, and that it was locally sourced.  I finished it.  It wasn't the worst thing I've ever eaten- but it's no prime rib, that's for sure.
 
2013-02-19 10:57:38 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: My friend had an old school countertop meat grinder he found somewhere around his grandparents hometown (small farming community).  Heavy as hell but worked awesome and was never gonna break.  If I could stumble across something similar I'd pick it up in a heartbeat.  Stupid easy to fake/contaminate ground meat, so I just avoid it at this point.


Those are actually pretty easy and relatively cheap to find on ebay.  Just search "tinned meat grinder"
 
2013-02-19 11:01:29 AM

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Now do Log!

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Horse, the better red meat.


Are there many My Little Pony fan boys in Europe? I hope so....
 
2013-02-19 11:09:00 AM
Traces of horse DNA, not specifically horse meat.

It is entirely possible that someone is merely wanking horses off into the ground beef supply.
 
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