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(The Atlantic)   The Epic, Surprisingly Sexist Fight That Brought the Minimum Wage to America   (theatlantic.com ) divider line
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2013-02-19 08:07:15 AM  
Pope Leo XIII:Let it be granted then that as a rule, workman and employer should make free agreements and in particular should freely agree as to wages; nevertheless, there is a dictate of nature more imperious and more ancient than any bargain between man and man, that the remuneration must be enough to support the wage earner in reasonable and frugal comfort.

Back when the church cared more about social justice than oppressing gays and women.

Good times, good times.

/Good read is good albeit a bit dry.
 
2013-02-19 08:59:00 AM  
When Obama proposed an increase in the minimum wage at his State of the Union, I had to see countless gripes from conservative  acquaintances on Facebook about it.

These people were freaking out. They REALLY hate the idea of life getting any easier for the poor....

Anyway, I kept trying to assure them that there's no way in Hell that Congress will approve a minimum wage increase. We're living in Fantasy Land even discussing it.

Still, conservatives are inconsolable.
 
2013-02-19 10:20:10 AM  
Misread headline as "The Epic Surprisingly Sexiest Fight", stopped there, clicked link, and was completely disappointed.
 
2013-02-19 10:27:54 AM  

ottebx: Misread headline as "The Epic Surprisingly Sexiest Fight", stopped there, clicked link, and was completely disappointed.


What's wrong with being sexiest?
 
2013-02-19 11:01:27 AM  
I wonder if there's any argument to be made that paying a wage below a certain standard is the equivalent of wage-slavery, and therefor illegal.
 
2013-02-19 11:40:43 AM  

doczoidberg: These people were freaking out. They REALLY hate the idea of life getting any easier for the poor....


No, no, no!  Minimum wage laws hurt the poor!

Because it hurts employers that graciously give the poor money!
 
2013-02-19 11:51:05 AM  
The article just ends, without really talking about the federal minimum wage law passed in 1938 - has it ever been challenged up to the Supreme Court?  Because from the way the article talked, that's an untested ground of SCOTUS writing, given that they flipped on it so many times and based their reasoning on some fairly sexist ground when approving it.

Couldn't you just see some teatard like Cruz filing a lawsuit attacking the minimum wage as a whole?  Especially if they can run it through the same court that struck down Obama's recess appointments - that's something else that's been done forever that that court rolled back beyond all expectation.
 
2013-02-19 12:04:35 PM  
So, what, the minimum wage was that era's affirmative action?

Well, that explains the hatred, I guess.   It's just wrong to give more to those that are at a disadvantage!

Eh.

For those that seem life as a competition, giving anyone a handicap is just wrong.  Even if they themselves were born three lengths ahead.

And, of course, the ones that value competition most are the ones running everything, because they're good at stepping on other people's faces.

So, as a group, a  society, we're boned really.  Because there is no society, only other contestants.
 
2013-02-19 02:17:16 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: ottebx: Misread headline as "The Epic Surprisingly Sexiest Fight", stopped there, clicked link, and was completely disappointed.

What's wrong with being sexiest?


Nothing at all! I clicked the link BECAUSE I thought the headline was "The Epic Surprisingly Sexiest Fight". I was disappointed to find out it was not about a sexy fight, but a sexist fight - big difference!
 
2013-02-19 04:41:54 PM  

sendtodave: So, what, the minimum wage was that era's affirmative action?

Well, that explains the hatred, I guess.   It's just wrong to give more to those that are at a disadvantage!

Eh.

For those that seem life as a competition, giving anyone a handicap is just wrong.  Even if they themselves were born three lengths ahead.

And, of course, the ones that value competition most are the ones running everything, because they're good at stepping on other people's faces.

So, as a group, a  society, we're boned really.  Because there is no society, only other contestants.


You didn't RTFA at all, did you?
 
2013-02-19 05:55:35 PM  

doczoidberg: When Obama proposed an increase in the minimum wage at his State of the Union, I had to see countless gripes from conservative acquaintances on Facebook about it.

These people were freaking out. They REALLY hate the idea of life getting any easier for the poor....


Or maybe some people just recognize that politicians calling for an increase in the minimum wage is nothing more than populist rhetoric meant to appeal to a voter base lacking in both education and real world understanding. As if there are more than 10 people in America who earn minimum wage who aren't high school students saving up for college or a new Ipad, but you can keep pretending that any politician talking about the mimimum wage is doing it because he actually cares about the little guy, rather than it being a cheap, easy way to get a standing ovation from a bunch of mindless nimrods.
 
2013-02-19 06:19:37 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: Or maybe some people just recognize that politicians calling for an increase in the minimum wage is nothing more than populist rhetoric meant to appeal to a voter base lacking in both education and real world understanding. As if there are more than 10 people in America who earn minimum wage who aren't high school students saving up for college or a new Ipad, but you can keep pretending that any politician talking about the mimimum wage is doing it because he actually cares about the little guy, rather than it being a cheap, easy way to get a standing ovation from a bunch of mindless nimrods.


So you're saying it wouldn't help the poor?
 
2013-02-19 06:55:53 PM  
What's wrong with being sexy?

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2013-02-19 07:54:05 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: doczoidberg: When Obama proposed an increase in the minimum wage at his State of the Union, I had to see countless gripes from conservative acquaintances on Facebook about it.

These people were freaking out. They REALLY hate the idea of life getting any easier for the poor....

Or maybe some people just recognize that politicians calling for an increase in the minimum wage is nothing more than populist rhetoric meant to appeal to a voter base lacking in both education and real world understanding. As if there are more than 10 people in America who earn minimum wage who aren't high school students saving up for college or a new Ipad, but you can keep pretending that any politician talking about the mimimum wage is doing it because he actually cares about the little guy, rather than it being a cheap, easy way to get a standing ovation from a bunch of mindless nimrods.


You do realize the minimum wage increase would apply to everyone making less than $9/hour, not just the ones making exactly $7.25/hour, right?
 
2013-02-19 08:53:05 PM  

hiwoman: I wonder if there's any argument to be made that paying a wage below a certain standard is the equivalent of wage-slavery, and therefor illegal.


No, there isn't.
 
2013-02-19 10:08:24 PM  

doczoidberg: When Obama proposed an increase in the minimum wage at his State of the Union, I had to see countless gripes from conservative  acquaintances on Facebook about it.

These people were freaking out. They REALLY hate the idea of life getting any easier for the poor....

Anyway, I kept trying to assure them that there's no way in Hell that Congress will approve a minimum wage increase. We're living in Fantasy Land even discussing it.

Still, conservatives are inconsolable.


I really don't understand the freaking out, minimum wage being raised to 9 dollars an hour isn't going to have any drastic effects either way. Take Washington State, you think Wal-mart/fast food companies can't operate in that state because the wage increases by inflation? Nope. They do just fine, maybe smaller profit margins as a result but eh. Think the employees of such companies are living that much better now? Nope. They're living a bit better maybe, probably don't live so much in poverty as we define it but no. Raising the minimum wage by inflation isn't a drastic move, its the reasonable thing to do but in the end wont have as much an effect as more drastic legislation would like sick pay, maternity leave, LGBT equality, vacation days, etc. Its a very low bar to clear, very little risk with political capital gained. Just how politicians like it.
 
2013-02-21 12:38:37 PM  

bbfreak: doczoidberg: When Obama proposed an increase in the minimum wage at his State of the Union, I had to see countless gripes from conservative  acquaintances on Facebook about it.

These people were freaking out. They REALLY hate the idea of life getting any easier for the poor....

Anyway, I kept trying to assure them that there's no way in Hell that Congress will approve a minimum wage increase. We're living in Fantasy Land even discussing it.

Still, conservatives are inconsolable.

I really don't understand the freaking out, minimum wage being raised to 9 dollars an hour isn't going to have any drastic effects either way. Take Washington State, you think Wal-mart/fast food companies can't operate in that state because the wage increases by inflation? Nope. They do just fine, maybe smaller profit margins as a result but eh. Think the employees of such companies are living that much better now? Nope. They're living a bit better maybe, probably don't live so much in poverty as we define it but no. Raising the minimum wage by inflation isn't a drastic move, its the reasonable thing to do but in the end wont have as much an effect as more drastic legislation would like sick pay, maternity leave, LGBT equality, vacation days, etc. Its a very low bar to clear, very little risk with political capital gained. Just how politicians like it.


The problem is, not every employer is a Wal-mart/McDonalds.  If you pay an in-house babysitter more than $1800 a year, you're an employer required to pay at least minimum wage and overtime at time and a half (as well as social security, medicare, federal and state unemployment).  A $1.75 increase in minimum wage is not an insignificant amount to a lot of families in this situation and will force them to choose between continued employment or not reporting. Certainly it helps the employee, but only if the family can afford to keep it in the first place...
 
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