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2013-02-19 04:36:43 AM  
hmmm, clearly no way anything could be ever packed in the tubular frame of a wheelchair
 
2013-02-19 06:46:04 AM  

colinspooky: hmmm, clearly no way anything could be ever packed in the tubular frame of a wheelchair


hmmm, clearly no way anything could ever be packed up your ass. You don't mind if I stick my arm up it do you?
img.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-19 06:47:36 AM  
The main street USA light parade is always better when the little girl is crying.
 
2013-02-19 06:48:08 AM  

Walker: colinspooky: hmmm, clearly no way anything could be ever packed in the tubular frame of a wheelchair

hmmm, clearly no way anything could ever be packed up your ass. You don't mind if I stick my arm up it do you?


The implication of the article was that TSA should never frisk children in wheelchairs, which makes no sense.
 
2013-02-19 06:55:14 AM  

illannoyin: The main street USA light parade is always better when the little girl is crying.


Especially one in a wheelchair. Except to wheelchair makes it damned hard for her to do the lap dance.
 
GBB
2013-02-19 06:56:42 AM  
The answer, clearly, is to pack your disabled, wheelchair bound daughter with contraband and roll her right through security.
 
2013-02-19 06:57:14 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Walker: colinspooky: hmmm, clearly no way anything could be ever packed in the tubular frame of a wheelchair

hmmm, clearly no way anything could ever be packed up your ass. You don't mind if I stick my arm up it do you?

The implication of the article was that TSA should never frisk children in wheelchairs, which makes no sense.


The implication was that they were lying about the legality of filming.
 
2013-02-19 06:57:21 AM  

Walker: colinspooky: hmmm, clearly no way anything could be ever packed in the tubular frame of a wheelchair

hmmm, clearly no way anything could ever be packed up your ass. You don't mind if I stick my arm up it do you?


Is he looking for his stapler in that guys pants?
 
2013-02-19 06:57:57 AM  
So the tsa never actually touched the child, and the parents are outraged because the tsa swabbed the chair for chemical screening.

The Tsa handled the situation poorly, and then the parents continued to make it worse.

This does not cause me to be outraged.

/I can't fap to this
 
2013-02-19 06:59:39 AM  
Hey, carnies have to do something in the off-season.
 
2013-02-19 06:59:46 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Walker: colinspooky: hmmm, clearly no way anything could be ever packed in the tubular frame of a wheelchair

hmmm, clearly no way anything could ever be packed up your ass. You don't mind if I stick my arm up it do you?

The implication of the article was that TSA should never frisk children in wheelchairs, which makes no sense.


Really, how so? Do little girls in wheel chairs pose a threat to an airliner in your mind?
 
2013-02-19 07:01:11 AM  
I was taught that if you told one lie, it'd lead to another.
If you told two lies, they'd cover for each other.
If you told three lies, oh brother.
You'd be in trouble up to your ears!
 
2013-02-19 07:02:28 AM  
d1cyx7gxbgorgi.cloudfront.net

Before this thread devolves into the usual TSA hatefest, I just want to draw attention to picture from the website, containing perhaps the squarest jaw I've seen in a long time.
 
2013-02-19 07:07:14 AM  
Remember when Barry was going to repeal the Patriot Act?
 
2013-02-19 07:10:34 AM  

SDRR: Really, how so? Do little girls in wheel chairs pose a threat to an airliner in your mind?


Since profiling is not allowed, not screening the girl in the wheel chair does pose a risk, since it can be used as a vessel to transport explosives onto the plane
 
2013-02-19 07:10:40 AM  
Security is always an illusion.  If you don't believe that, think about it for just a little while.  There's always a way around any system especially those that are implemented via people.  So, now that we know that we can't hit 100%, we're forced to acknowledge that people who want to get that stuff on board will seek to use these exploits unless they're really stupid.  If they're really stupid, then they're probably not that much of a threat.  So, in essence, we already know that we won't catch much of the major stuff this way.  If they're smart enough to do real damage, it's extremely likely that they're smart enough to get it through anyway.  This means that the increase in safety from the TSA should be weighed against the additional cost in a simple cost/benefit analysis.  The data will not be kind.
 
2013-02-19 07:13:56 AM  
Fun fact:  The swabs they use to test for explosives only find the homemade kind.  If you manage to get your hands on some actual legit explosives feel free to smuggle them under your disabled daughter's wheelchair without fear.
 
2013-02-19 07:14:04 AM  

Lost Thought 00: The implication of the article was that TSA should never frisk children in wheelchairs, which makes no sense.


It makes perfect sense if you realize that the TSA shouldn't be frisking <i>anybody</i> without a damn good reason for doing so.
 
2013-02-19 07:14:13 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Walker: colinspooky: hmmm, clearly no way anything could be ever packed in the tubular frame of a wheelchair

hmmm, clearly no way anything could ever be packed up your ass. You don't mind if I stick my arm up it do you?

The implication of the article was that TSA should never frisk children in wheelchairs, which makes no sense.


Did you happen to catch the name of the website? PINAC - photography is not a crime. The article was about recording the encounter. The fact that TSA can't even swab a wheelchair without scaring the crap out of a little kid is just icing on the cake. So to speak.
 
2013-02-19 07:15:21 AM  

SDRR: Do little girls in wheel chairs pose a threat to an airliner in your mind?


I'm not a big fan of the TSA and think they go way to far with most of their screening (particularly the nude-o-scopes) but I don't consider it unreasonable that everyone go through the same basic screening.

Wheelchairs can be used to conceal prohibited objects without the consent or knowledge of the person in the chair (particularly if the person is a minor) and metal wheelchairs cannot be effectively screened by metal detectors for obvious reasons so it seems reasonable to have a policy mandating that all wheelchairs, regardless of who is using it, be manually searched if they can't go through the x-ray scanner for carry-on luggage.

I'm generally opposed to frisking small children but I see nothing wrong with examining the wheelchair itself.
 
2013-02-19 07:16:40 AM  
Federal Law prohibits making jokes about the incompetent, ridiculous TSA on public forums and bulletin boards under penalty of ass search.
 
2013-02-19 07:19:03 AM  

lewismarktwo: Fun fact:  The swabs they use to test for explosives only find the homemade kind.  If you manage to get your hands on some actual legit explosives feel free to smuggle them under your disabled daughter's wheelchair without fear.


[citation needed]

As far as I'm aware, all legit explosives have chemical tracers that aid in their detection and to discourage their being diverted for nefarious purposes. I'd assume that if they're already doing the tests for explosives they'd also test for these tracers.

/hi FBI guys
 
2013-02-19 07:19:14 AM  

SpdrJay: Federal Law prohibits making jokes about the incompetent, ridiculous TSA on public forums and bulletin boards under penalty of ass search.


Careful, there are people who may sign up just for that.
 
2013-02-19 07:19:22 AM  

Onkel Buck: Remember when Barry was going to repeal the Patriot Act?


No. And it's been a huge disappointment.
 
2013-02-19 07:21:28 AM  

heypete: lewismarktwo: Fun fact:  The swabs they use to test for explosives only find the homemade kind.  If you manage to get your hands on some actual legit explosives feel free to smuggle them under your disabled daughter's wheelchair without fear.

[citation needed]

As far as I'm aware, all legit explosives have chemical tracers that aid in their detection and to discourage their being diverted for nefarious purposes. I'd assume that if they're already doing the tests for explosives they'd also test for these tracers.

/hi FBI guys


Basic chemistry calls bull shiat.
 
2013-02-19 07:21:46 AM  

heypete: I'm generally opposed to frisking small children but I see nothing wrong with examining the wheelchair itself.


I suspect I'd need a doctor's opinion to answer this, but how hard/inadvisable would it be to transfer the child to a TSA/pre-screened wheelchair, temporarily, while the child's chair is examined? Apart from the transfer, it seems like it would be far less stressful for the kid.

/  Until the TSA assholes steal the chair and pretend they didn't, of course.
 
2013-02-19 07:22:38 AM  
For those wanting the TSA to go away, be careful what you wish for. If you suddenly have thousands of unemployable high school drop outs and bullies on the streets, crime will farking skyrocket.
 
2013-02-19 07:25:42 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Walker: colinspooky: hmmm, clearly no way anything could be ever packed in the tubular frame of a wheelchair

hmmm, clearly no way anything could ever be packed up your ass. You don't mind if I stick my arm up it do you?

The implication of the article was that TSA should never frisk children in wheelchairs, which makes no sense.


The implication of the article is that the TSA needs to quit farking lying about the legality of recording it's activities, which does make sense. But I guess your interpretation is "an" interpretation, just keep white knighting the TSA.
 
2013-02-19 07:27:53 AM  
Am I the only one who thought the mother was acting like a twart?
 
2013-02-19 07:29:04 AM  

Dracolich: Basic chemistry calls bull shiat.


How so? Not only do such tracers appear chemically possible, they're mandatory in many countries. See here.
 
2013-02-19 07:29:39 AM  

Ebbelwoi: Am I the only one who thought the mother was acting like a twart?


Probably not.  But if it only takes another person to justify your views...
 
2013-02-19 07:38:17 AM  

eggrolls: Onkel Buck: Remember when Barry was going to repeal the Patriot Act?

No. And it's been a huge disappointment.


He gave ya NDAA though, and its even better!
 
2013-02-19 07:40:58 AM  

heypete: lewismarktwo: Fun fact:  The swabs they use to test for explosives only find the homemade kind.  If you manage to get your hands on some actual legit explosives feel free to smuggle them under your disabled daughter's wheelchair without fear.

[citation needed]

As far as I'm aware, all legit explosives have chemical tracers that aid in their detection and to discourage their being diverted for nefarious purposes. I'd assume that if they're already doing the tests for explosives they'd also test for these tracers.

/hi FBI guys


 I don't know the answer, but I can give some anecdotal evidence.

I'm a miner and go through airport security every week either flying to or coming home from work. I handle and am exposed to 100's of tonnes of commercially produced explosives each week. I have been swabbed numerous times on my way home from work and have never returned a positive result.

This could mean that Lewismarktwo's comment has some truth to it; or it could mean that the swab tests are bullshiat and don't actually work.
 
2013-02-19 07:41:49 AM  

Matthew Keene: For those wanting the TSA to go away, be careful what you wish for. If you suddenly have thousands of unemployable high school drop outs and bullies on the streets, crime will farking skyrocket.


Yeah, at least their thievery is currently only limited to my luggage and the occasional hand rape.
 
2013-02-19 07:41:50 AM  
It seems like this is a perfect opportunity to start teaching the child, this is how the world works. Sometimes it sucks, but there's not a farking thing you can do about it.
 
2013-02-19 07:41:56 AM  
Oh boy...

*makes popcorn*

i16.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-19 07:45:21 AM  
If you want to go to disneyworld, you can either get felt up or have someone use radiation to take a naked picture of you. Good thing those second amendment patriots are around to prevent the government from trampling on our liberties.
 
2013-02-19 07:46:07 AM  
The TSA is why I'm farking driving from the midwest to farking Alaska this summer, instead of flying.  fark the TSA.
 
2013-02-19 07:47:39 AM  
We need a membership airline.  You pay a membership fee, sign a waiver, and from then on any time you fly that airline there is no security check and no item restrictions.

Of course I suppose we would need a membership airport too.
 
2013-02-19 07:49:50 AM  

heypete: SDRR: Do little girls in wheel chairs pose a threat to an airliner in your mind?

I'm not a big fan of the TSA and think they go way to far with most of their screening (particularly the nude-o-scopes) but I don't consider it unreasonable that everyone go through the same basic screening.


Then you're part of the problem.
 
2013-02-19 07:52:01 AM  
i895.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-19 07:52:03 AM  

colinspooky: hmmm, clearly no way anything could be ever packed in the tubular frame of a wheelchair


www.planetpulp.dk

Agrees
 
2013-02-19 07:52:38 AM  

heypete: Dracolich: Basic chemistry calls bull shiat.

How so? Not only do such tracers appear chemically possible, they're mandatory in many countries. See here.


It's good information, but there's a couple of easy catches.  I'll admit, I was thrown by your use of the word "legit."

1) It's an additive, so it will only be added if it's created by authorized facilities.  Lots of people know enough to create explosives without this or can learn quickly from instructions.  It's still a good idea, but it's not really a catch-all.  It's more or less a way of determining if an explosive came from a certain facility not whether or not there is an explosive.
2) There's an assumption of non-containment.  It's not difficult to keep a package sealed to avoid detection even if it has a taggant
 
2013-02-19 07:55:02 AM  
www.advicegoddess.com
 
2013-02-19 08:01:24 AM  
"Little Girl, you've just been molested by the TSA. What are you going to do next?"

"I'm not going to Disney World!"
 
2013-02-19 08:02:56 AM  
I do not hate the TSA, but do cringe at the incredible number of inept people they employ. I have seen them revel in using the "do you want to fly today" threat if you look at them cross eyed. I do stand by earlier statements that they have caught nobody, prevented nothing and would have trouble finding a wounded  Nun in a snowbank!
 
2013-02-19 08:04:03 AM  

Hermit Tard: heypete: lewismarktwo: Fun fact:  The swabs they use to test for explosives only find the homemade kind.  If you manage to get your hands on some actual legit explosives feel free to smuggle them under your disabled daughter's wheelchair without fear.

[citation needed]

As far as I'm aware, all legit explosives have chemical tracers that aid in their detection and to discourage their being diverted for nefarious purposes. I'd assume that if they're already doing the tests for explosives they'd also test for these tracers.

/hi FBI guys

 I don't know the answer, but I can give some anecdotal evidence.

I'm a miner and go through airport security every week either flying to or coming home from work. I handle and am exposed to 100's of tonnes of commercially produced explosives each week. I have been swabbed numerous times on my way home from work and have never returned a positive result.

This could mean that Lewismarktwo's comment has some truth to it; or it could mean that the swab tests are bullshiat and don't actually work.


Last time I went through I had just been messing around with a torrit system, so my clothes had quite a bit of iron oxide and aluminum dust on them.  Yay thermite.
 
2013-02-19 08:05:25 AM  

GBB: The answer, clearly, is to pack your disabled, wheelchair bound daughter with contraband and roll her right through security.


The premise is sound, but I can't see how you can fit very many snow globes inside the framing of a wheelchair.
 
2013-02-19 08:08:11 AM  

miss diminutive: [d1cyx7gxbgorgi.cloudfront.net image 850x143]

Before this thread devolves into the usual TSA hatefest, I just want to draw attention to picture from the website, containing perhaps the squarest jaw I've seen in a long time.


Now that we've got that out of the way,
TSA is a freaking terrorist organization in itself.  It is unconstitutional and is simply prepping the next generation of Obama's subjects to be accustomed to being fisted by george the escaped gorilla.
TSA has yet to save the nation from anything other than taking home a cool billion or so in property stolen from the American public.
F the freaking TSA, they should be disbanded and all of the agents sent back to the freaking countries they snuck away from.
 
2013-02-19 08:13:16 AM  

computerguyUT: TSA is a freaking terrorist organization in itself


Agreed.
It should be moved to Gitmo, and instained indefinatly.

Seriously, though.
The TSA must die.
 
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