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(The New York Times)   And to the surprise of nobody, China's military is outed as a major hacker of the U.S   (nytimes.com) divider line 10
    More: Obvious, New York Times Company, advance copy, importer, Forensic identification  
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4437 clicks; posted to Main » on 19 Feb 2013 at 7:09 AM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2013-02-19 07:19:58 AM  
2 votes:
I opened up SSH service on my computer, and a month later checked my security logs. According to them, China is the #1 offender for trying to break into my SSH, with 31 percent of the offending IP addresses originating from there (US is 21 percent, 5 percent each from India and South Korea). In a month I found about 14,525 attempts (single username/password or SSH key attempt). Six IP addresses were the biggest offenders (64 percent of the attacks), and five of those were Chinese.

Good luck trying to guess the single username with SSH access, and the ridiculously long password guys. Also, once I made use of the advanced filtering function on my router and started blocking Chinese address space and instituted the denyhosts script, my logs got a lot quieter.

Fark you, China.
2013-02-19 07:18:35 AM  
2 votes:
/sbin/iptables -N BLACKLIST
/sbin/iptables -I INPUT -j BLACKLIST
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 1.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 14.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 27.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 36.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 39.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 42.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 49.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 58.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 59.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 60.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 61.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 101.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 103.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 106.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 110.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 111.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 112.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 113.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 114.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 115.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 116.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 117.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 118.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 119.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 120.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 121.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 122.0.0.0/8 -j DROP
/sbin/iptables -A BLACKLIST -s 123.0.0.0/8 -j DROP


/problem solved.
2013-02-19 11:22:12 PM  
1 votes:
a) the people weren't ready... BULLshiat. You dont get to farking say when im "ready" for democracy. What -- do i apply for a democracy license or some crap? Screw you -- murdering protesting students is fascist bullshiat and you know it. fark you and any prick who says someone isn't "ready" for democracy. NOT YOUR DECISION.


b) Tibet was a fuedalistic theocracy ... So? So is Saudi Arabia. So is Pakistan. So is half of freaking Africa. Why was Tibet ready for communism but communist china isnt ready for democracy? What the hell? Imean -- North Korea is essentially a feudalistic theocracy based around the Kim family. They sit right at chinas border and im sure they share ethnic and cultural heritage -- why doesn't china go in and clean that shiat up if thats what its all about? You're delusional if you think its ok for china to occupy tibet because you think the Dali Lama being the king of Tibet is somehow worse than Chinese overlords thousands of miles away administering your country like it was fodder for the rest of the country.
c) Taiwan isn't legally a separate nation. ... Are you kidding? they havent pushed for seperatism because it would initiate a full scale occupation by the PRC. Its tough to speak your mind when someone is holding a sledgehammer over your nutsack. You know who else is ACTUALLY in a similar situation? Chechen peoples. Grozny was pummeled into the ground and the chechen people are no closer to independence from russia. Taiwan exists and is allowed to self govern ONLY because they don't outwardly declare independance. Of course they don't talk about separating -- China has made it clear that only one option is a peaceful option.

I'm still here, I haven't been snatched up in the night. Honestly, I'm more scared of cops in the US kicking my ass, or even putting me in prison, for some BS minor infraction than I am here. They seem more authoritarian there. They aren't limiting soda sizes here.
No of course not. They do however sell criminals to science exhibits and execute people in vans. They limit what you can see online and if you DO end up in trouble your chances depend less on guilt and more on who you know in government.
Oh -- did i mention the forced abortions? Look that up why dont you? When was the last time you heard about a girl in the usa being taken by cops to a hospital to have a late term abortion forced upon you? But no no no... Im sure things over there are great. Hows the air quality? How about the water quality? pretty good? Just enjoying a nice sunny day in south east china?
Whats the deal? Do you really buy that crap?

" As long as you don't embarrass someone higher up the food chain than you are, you're fine.

... And there are no words to argue with logic like that. Dont step on the invisible line and you will be just AOK. Feel free to write a reply. Take your time, i know it can be hard to type while giving your Chinese masters such a vigorous handy J.

The WindowLicker: Let me put it this way. I was somewhat directly tied to the U.S. Government at the time.


Was being in the CIA half as fun as Argo made it look?
2013-02-19 10:16:34 PM  
1 votes:

sendtodave: Were you staying at typical cheap 3-star Chinese hotels, or at upscale ones catering to Westerners?

I'm wondering if the also do this to the average Zhang.


Let me put it this way.  I was somewhat directly tied to the U.S. Government at the time.  It is likely that I got the full "eye of sauron" treatment.  I am talking about my residence.  I am talking about some deeply discounted cut-rate hotels catering to the Chinese, and I am talking about 5star luxury accommodations.  I also had exposure to a number of business/technology folks.  A very common theme was how irritating it was dealing with the persistent and blatant attempts to steal/copy western designs and intellectual property.

You want to know what they do to the average Zhang?  Ask your friends to have a long chat with you about whatever subject is the government taboo of the week.  If you need help finding out what those are, I recommend this site: http://blockedonweibo.tumblr.com/ .  Better yet, just ask your peers how much fun they have trying to get around the great firewall of China.  The active censorship is really just the tip of the iceberg, but it is a determined effort to actively suppress information in a way most people just don't have to deal with.  Now when I was there, I needed a VPN to access FARK, which makes me wonder.  Have they changed the rules, or are you working to bypass repression while claiming the government does not carry it out?
 Now as a westerner (I am assuming) you are actually immune to a lot of the repression.  Sure if you break any laws or act up enough they will arrest you, but then your embassy or consulate will make a stink and you will either serve out your term with regular visits to ensure your health, or you will be deported.  On the other hand, you can be like the Chinese citizens.  I had the opportunity to watch members of the PAP beat the everloving crap out of people in front of the building on a number of different occasions.


Yes, the US has its share of authoritarian dicks in power.  The LAPD in the David Donner case is a giant example.  That said, the US and China are nowhere near in the same league.  For you to claim that China is worse makes me think that you are some sort of trustfundy rage against the machine type.  Let me guess, you went to China to teach english after graduating and not being able to find a job?  You are not half as clever as you think you are.

Look up the story surrounding Bo Xilai if you want corruption and totalitarian government.  This is a great article about the start of the incident http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/china-news/how-wang-lijun-fled-to-the - us-consulate-190363.html but the story only gets better when it turns out Bo's wife was murdering people to scam them out of money.  This is business as usual at high levels in a way that the US just is not quite at.
2013-02-19 12:51:41 PM  
1 votes:

sendtodave: I live in the Pearl River Delta. I don't think it's so bad, all things considered.


Yeah, not so bad?

Try striking up a conversation about Tiennanmen Square during June of 1989 some time, or tell people you think Tibet was a soveriegn independent state before it was invaded and conquered, or how the Republic of China in Taiwan is a separate nation than the People's Republic of China.

Funny how just talking about history the rest of the world knows for a plain fact can have you thrown down the memory hole in a totalitarian dictatorship.  Not state secrets, simple easily documented history that can easily be verified in almost any other country in the world.

I'm mildly surprised that Fark gets through the Great Firewall, then again, assuming you're not just telling people you live in China for Teh Lulz.
2013-02-19 08:51:00 AM  
1 votes:

FullMetalPanda: SkunkWerks: FullMetalPanda: I think some of those are decoys to make you think you're actually blocking them. As mentioned, look at the components on your gear. How much of it was made in China or assembled in China? This means they already have a backdoor in that you will never see. THey just have idiots generate fake attacks to make you think you're blocking them.
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Though, to be honest, I'd take Paranoid Schizophrenia over the kind of lazzez-faire attitude I see pretty routinely and even at high levels- regarding computer security.  It's apt to at least be somewhat more effective.


That's why the US government was perfectly fine with China buying US Robotics?


You don't get it do you.  They don't care, nobody cares if somebody is making money.  American Corporate Whores have sold us out to appease their masters on Wall Street.  The money grubbing idiots sell sensitive software and hardware to our ideological opposites TO MAKE THEIR QUARTERLY SALES NUMBERS.  If you get caught the company pays a fine - period.  There are no teeth in enforcement.
Look, unable to see more than 90 days ahead, we have single handedly improved China's welfare to the point that China is our fiercest competitor for fossil fuel - just so we could sell cars in China.  I agree that is a gross simplification but knowing this, revisit the evening news to see where else we have shot ourselves in the foot so some company can make a few bucks and keep the street happy.
It's old and a mis-direction but the comment still holds water that ->

languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu

with all the forgoing in mind, I hadn't heard about the sale of US Robotics.  Really depressing.
2013-02-19 08:36:40 AM  
1 votes:

Krusty_the_Barbarian: Um,, Yes.


Then we agree.  Excellent.

Krusty_the_Barbarian: You just do not realize how many "bunker busters" as you say, they are willing and capable of writing.


Because they aren't needed, again.  Even the most "sophisticated" targets are shockingly not that hard to crack- else you wouldn't have top level executives falling for the same silly scams that are generally employed to steal World of Warcraft accounts.  But you can continue with envisioning this stuff as Gibson presented it in Neuromancer if you like.  I liked that book too and I know the reality of things is far less glamorous (and has far less Keanu Reeves in it).  So much so it's often hard to cope with the disappointment.

/backpat

Come to think of it, another series I loved was Ursula K. LeGuin's Wizard of Earthsea.  In particular the lesson about not trying to accomplish with high sorcery what can as easily (if not more easily) be accomplished by more mundane means.

And this isn't to say that I don't think China has the bunker busters.  I believe it does.  However I don't think this article describes any instances in which they were actually employed.  And maybe that's indicative of what the State feels you need to know about the subject, I don't know.
2013-02-19 08:09:06 AM  
1 votes:

sendtodave: FullMetalPanda: Did you see the hidden cameras they setup in hotels in China where "business men" left their laptops in their rooms.  As soon as they left the hotel employees and Chinese agents go into the room and look through the laptop.

No, I didn't see that.  Got a link?


This is "common" knowledge now.  Just do some searches, Slash Dot talks about it:  http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/12/04/234242/the-trouble-with-bringin g -your-business-laptop-to-china
2013-02-19 07:22:30 AM  
1 votes:
But the cheap networking gear we purchase from Chinese factories is totally legit and free of any root kits.
2013-02-19 07:12:43 AM  
1 votes:
i314.photobucket.com

/Wanted for questioning.
 
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