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(Hot Air)   Remember when overpopulation was going to kill us all? Now we're in the age of the "fertility panic"   (hotair.com) divider line 316
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2013-02-18 09:51:32 PM
Translation: white people are being bred out.

And as a progressive humanist, all I can say is: good. White people are oppressors, and they should have a taste of their own medicine at the hands of their victims.  I can't wait to see the day when Europe and America is majority nonwhite and their wealth and power stripped away. Only by then could the world be a peaceful and diverse society free of hate.
 
2013-02-18 09:51:50 PM

Happy Hours: Well, when you base retirement plans on Ponzi schemes you need more growth.


SS isn't a Ponzi scheme and it doesn't need more growth.

SS is fine so long as there are always more working people than retired people -- that's not a Ponzi scheme. The big SS crunch over the next 15 years is because the Boomber are too numerous and they didn't have enough children.

SS can't handle demographic bulges, that's all.
 
2013-02-18 09:52:55 PM

Kuta: Don't forget that this story came from Hot Air and is FULL OF LIES.

The United States fertility rate, according the World Bank, not some idiot blogger, is a healthy 2.1.

https://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=sp _d yn_tfrt_in&idim=country:USA&dl=en&hl=en&q=united%20states%20fertility% 20rate


Notice your graph stops at 2010 and the article is talking about 2011?
 
2013-02-18 09:53:05 PM

GAT_00: Koodz: I'm with Gat on this one.  I see white racists complain about being out-bred by the browns all the time and all I can think is, "You can't stand your own women enough to fark them.  It's almost like subconsciously you aren't convinced of your own superiority after all."

Have you ever seen an attractive white supremacist?


American History X? And you have a point.
 
2013-02-18 09:54:08 PM

kbotc: A world wide GPD/Capita of $12,000 (PPP indexed) isn't exactly a super comfortable wage.


Wut?

Former Exxon CEO Lee Raymond is VERY comfortable!

dvmx.com
 
2013-02-18 09:54:45 PM

super_grass: I can't wait to see the day when Europe and America is majority nonwhite and their wealth and power stripped away. Only by then could the world be a peaceful and diverse society free of hate.


Now ^^^THAT RIGHT THERE^^^ is some weapons-grade self-delusion.
 
2013-02-18 09:55:29 PM
And if you want a liberal-friendly source for that here you go:  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/15/us-birth-rate_n_1779960.html ? utm_hp_ref=business
 
2013-02-18 09:56:01 PM

GAT_00: Only if you're worried about the ratio of white people to everyone else.


Alright, I see we're done here. Good thread everyone.
 
2013-02-18 09:56:35 PM

kg2095: basemetal: More than 6 billion people in the world, we wont run out any time soon.

/governments are more worried about future tax revenue

It's possible to run out of people in a typical human life span. If for some reason no new people were made from now then there would be none of us left in 100 years.


We could do even better with the proper application of nuclear weaponry.
 
2013-02-18 09:57:24 PM

SuperChuck: thermo: well you can blame me for lack of whatever the US average crotch fruit is for married couples. We are 43, I am snipped, and adoption is not on the table.

I'm pretty sure adoption won't change the birth rate at all. The kid's already been born


You are correct sir, and this concludes my beer drinking and Fark posting...... At least until I forget that I posted this.
 
2013-02-18 09:59:41 PM
Like most growth, world population is more likely logistics growth than exponential.  We may have passed the inflection point, which indicates population will level off around 12-13 billion.
 
2013-02-18 09:59:54 PM
The real secret is the way we're moving into a "post-scarcity" age, where people will only work if they want to.  Machines do things cheaply and efficiently, and fewer and fewer people have more than one child.
 
2013-02-18 10:00:16 PM

kbotc: (Jupiter, here we come!)


Hahahaha. Look around you, friend. Fat chance that humanity is getting off this rock. We're going to self-destruct. The Universe couldn't care less.
 
2013-02-18 10:00:24 PM
The intro to Idiocracy explains the problem in a nutshell. The problem isn't fertility, it's that the wrong people are the ones using their fertility.
 
2013-02-18 10:01:27 PM

SuperChuck: thermo: well you can blame me for lack of whatever the US average crotch fruit is for married couples. We are 43, I am snipped, and adoption is not on the table.

I'm pretty sure adoption won't change the birth rate at all. The kid's already been born


But if you adopt a kid rather than making one, that's one less kid on the planet. And besides, you're helping that kid out. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
 
2013-02-18 10:01:49 PM
Uncontrolled birth rate - Panic! 1910's to 1970's
One of the stated reason for German Expansionism and Japanese Expansionism was the need for space for population growth. Japan feared a 1975 population projection estimating 106 million people, and Germans we're augmenting their argument that Liebensraum (space for the growth of the Germanic peoples could be carved out of Eastern Europe). Population growth models for both were very close to being accurate (5% variance), but those economies absorbed and utilized all methodologies including massive trade in food for technology and wealth to power through their population growth and indstrial/economic development.

Industrialized Country Reproductive Rate Falls - Panic, 2000 to present
The graying of the industrialized countries does pose a challenge, but it isn't one that can't be overcome by proper planning.

The biggest real problem in America isn't a population issue directly, it is that we've built our primary infrastructure in the country flat and wide, instead of compactly/vertically. The 'burbs literally are consuming all of our resources, fuel to travel, supermarket/superstore sprawl, school bussing, home to work travel.
If we reformatted our cities to be vertical, NYC would only need to cover 1 square mile providing 5000 square ft of apartment space per family of 4 in 20,000 58 story buildings (allowing for 5600 58 story buildings for commercial/industrial and food production/distribution, hospitals, emergency services etc). If we were to take this compact approach, we could reduce the needed infrastructure of the city by nearly 10,000 combined miles of roads, subways, bus lines not to mention all of the other government investments like school properties, police, fire and emergency service vehicles, etc. Literally we could do away with supporting 90% of our current expenditure of time and money, by making our cities vertical instead of sprawling wastelands.
Imagine the exact same scenario in LA, and we are talking a 97% reduction in infrastructure, and resource usage.

Population isn't our problem, its the fact we aren't able to plan and accept what the expanding population means in regards to old ways of thinking about housing, water, electrical distribution, usage patterns, etc. Essentially we aren't incorporating new tech, and we aren't thinking in a way that is productive for the technical future.
 
2013-02-18 10:01:59 PM

super_grass: I can't wait to see the day when Europe and America is majority nonwhite and their wealth and power stripped away. Only by then could the world be a peaceful and diverse society free of hate.


You know who the most racist people in the world are? Asians. On other Asians.

That shiat goes back for millenia.
 
2013-02-18 10:02:05 PM
Capitalism does not work if your population is not expanding.  Which is why the GOP hates immigrants: it foils their plans to destroy America.
 
2013-02-18 10:05:26 PM

super_grass: Translation: white people are being bred out.

And as a progressive humanist, all I can say is: good. White people are oppressors, and they should have a taste of their own medicine at the hands of their victims.  I can't wait to see the day when Europe and America is majority nonwhite and their wealth and power stripped away. Only by then could the world be a peaceful and diverse society free of hate.


2/10.  I bet you started feeling cocky about your solid effort on the first two sentences only to slip on that last sentence.
 
2013-02-18 10:06:41 PM

super_grass: Translation: white people are being bred out.

And as a progressive humanist, all I can say is: good. White people are oppressors, and they should have a taste of their own medicine at the hands of their victims.  I can't wait to see the day when Europe and America is majority nonwhite and their wealth and power stripped away. Only by then could the world be a peaceful and diverse society free of hate.



"Only when we interbreed to the point that there are no distinguishable "races" will we achieve true "diversity" via a the miracle of a mongrelized monoculture".

Right?

Wait, there is "diversity" in a monoculture?
 
2013-02-18 10:07:06 PM

MaxSupernova: super_grass: Translation: white people are being bred out.

And as a progressive humanist, all I can say is: good. White people are oppressors, and they should have a taste of their own medicine at the hands of their victims.  I can't wait to see the day when Europe and America is majority nonwhite and their wealth and power stripped away. Only by then could the world be a peaceful and diverse society free of hate.

2/10.  I bet you started feeling cocky about your solid effort on the first two sentences only to slip on that last sentence.


Racist...
 
2013-02-18 10:07:14 PM
I always thought that the concerns about "overpopulation" were overblown hippie drivel and this pretty much confirms that.  The "issue" has disappeared overnight, just like the good ole ozone hole scare, and just like the global warming scare will at some point.
 
2013-02-18 10:07:33 PM

super_grass: Translation: white people are being bred out.

And as a progressive humanist, all I can say is: good. White people are oppressors, and they should have a taste of their own medicine at the hands of their victims.  I can't wait to see the day when Europe and America is majority nonwhite and their wealth and power stripped away. Only by then could the world be a peaceful and diverse society free of hate.


Exactly, just look at Africa. Land of peace and love. Lol.
 
2013-02-18 10:08:03 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Capitalism does not work if your population is not expanding.  Which is why the GOP hates immigrants:


Lol, did you really think that through before you posted?

Seriously?
 
2013-02-18 10:08:21 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: 3D printing and private asteroid mining will save us.


Blah blah blah mental issues, blah blah blah professional help.
 
2013-02-18 10:09:09 PM

stuhayes2010: exponential growth, how does it work?


Differently than population growth, which is slowing and likely to peak in a few decades given current trends.
 
2013-02-18 10:10:00 PM
blah limited resources blah less pollution blah healthier population blah overpopulation blah science blah blah

/blah
 
2013-02-18 10:10:46 PM
So what would be the optimal number of people on this planet?  We'd need a number large enough to improve and maintain our existing systems yet not so large that they consumed every last resource on Earth.

/been playing Civilization all weekend
 
2013-02-18 10:11:29 PM
Potable water.
 
2013-02-18 10:12:00 PM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: So what would be the optimal number of people on this planet?  We'd need a number large enough to improve and maintain our existing systems yet not so large that they consumed every last resource on Earth.

/been playing Civilization all weekend


1 billionish.
 
2013-02-18 10:12:40 PM

Earl of Chives: super_grass: Translation: white people are being bred out.

And as a progressive humanist, all I can say is: good. White people are oppressors, and they should have a taste of their own medicine at the hands of their victims.  I can't wait to see the day when Europe and America is majority nonwhite and their wealth and power stripped away. Only by then could the world be a peaceful and diverse society free of hate.

Exactly, just look at Africa. Land of peace and love. Lol.


Yes, the natives of south america hace always been such nice people who kill babies to the sun god
 
2013-02-18 10:13:02 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Capitalism does not work if your population is not expanding.  Which is why the GOP hates immigrants

abortions: it foils their plans to destroy America.
 
2013-02-18 10:13:10 PM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: So what would be the optimal number of people on this planet?


Your word 'optimal' needs further definition.  Too vague to respond to.

Depending on who you talk to, it ranges from zero to 'more the merrier'.
 
2013-02-18 10:13:34 PM

HeadLever: Marcus Aurelius: Capitalism does not work if your population is not expanding.  Which is why the GOP hates immigrants:

Lol, did you really think that through before you posted?

Seriously?


Can you please point out exactly where I am mistaken?

And then tell me exactly how many green lights you have.
 
2013-02-18 10:13:58 PM

GAT_00: Only if you're worried about the ratio of white people to everyone else.


A lot of the classic 'brown people' donor countries are on the glidepath down, too.  Mexico is at '2.1' replacement level right now.  Turkey (Europe's analog through the 80s) is also at or even a little below 2.1.  Brazil is well below 2 at this point.  And they're all still falling, presumably until they get down to Italy/S.Korea/Japan levels.

giveitarest: Like most growth, world population is more likely logistics growth than exponential.  We may have passed the inflection point, which indicates population will level off around 12-13 billion.


Many demographers have the peak out at below 10bn, roughly the middle of this century.  The d/dx is steep.

Ed Willy: Don't forget the Japanese. Half the incentive for creating robots is so they can avoid having to open their borders to permanent immigration.


Japan is the country to watch, because they're the first down the path.  Despite arguably the most commercialized/advertised/consumerist society on earth, there's a whole growing generation of younger Japanese who are barely tied into the system (no real place for them) and decidedly anti-consumption.

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The real secret is the way we're moving into a "post-scarcity" age, where people will only work if they want to.  Machines do things cheaply and efficiently, and fewer and fewer people have more than one child.


And we'll see how that works psychologically.  We've got subcultures where there's no cultural demand or outright need to work for sustenance.  The examples we have are housing projects/ghettos, council estates in the UK, first nations reserves, and the like.  As a species, we don't have a great track record of adapting to irrelevance.
 
2013-02-18 10:14:01 PM

Earl of Chives: 1 billionish.


Considering advancing science and technology 1 to 3 billion is optimal and quite manageable. Over 5 is starting to push it, over 7 is really stressing it, and 10 billion our efficiency of management goes to the infinitesimal zero.
 
2013-02-18 10:14:20 PM

red5ish: Potable water.


If only there was some sort of natural phenomena that would take sea water and make it fresh.......
 
2013-02-18 10:14:20 PM
So, at least none of us here will have that problem, amirite?

/oh, thought I was on slashdot, never mind

//you want us to have kids? Then you're going to have to separate the idea of making a living from being productive because if the graphs we see are correct any amount of productivity increase you create now is going into someone else's pocket immediately, and that's no way to secure a future. It's not logical to breed when you know your just making serfs for someone else's amusement.
 
2013-02-18 10:14:44 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Marcus Aurelius: Capitalism does not work if your population is not expanding.  Which is why the GOP hates immigrants abortions: it foils their plans to destroy America.


Ignorance is bliss, my friend.

Bliss.
 
2013-02-18 10:14:46 PM
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2013-02-18 10:16:20 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Can you please point out exactly where I am mistaken?


If you like ever expanding population in your neck of the woods, why not welcome in the immigrants with open arms?

And then tell me exactly how many green lights you have.

What do green lights have to do with this argument?
 
2013-02-18 10:16:31 PM

fusillade762: [farm4.staticflickr.com image 640x441]


If you're feeling down and out with what your life is all about - lift your head up high and blow your brains out.
 
2013-02-18 10:16:48 PM

GAT_00: Only if you're worried about the ratio of white people to everyone else.


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Approves.
 
2013-02-18 10:16:51 PM

ChuDogg: If you look at current and projected water shortages its simple to see that over-population is a real problem and there are not enough resources to sustain our current global population, never mind an additional few billion.

Babyboomers not being able to retire to a jet setting life of luxory like medieval Royalty shouldn't be the arbitrator of policies.  Unfortunately it is and western civilization looks to be committing suicide because of it.


One more farker that pretends the great unwashed sets policies and guides the country. Be realistic, baby boomers are/were mostly worker bees paying their taxes and casting votes that didn't matter - government does pretty much what benefits the rich and powerful families that own big business. Just as you and I don't mean a hill of beans at the end of the day, the same it was for those people.

It is those of great wealth that need and want stupid hands to work in the factories, buy their goods and go kill people around the world for them. It benefits those wealthy, greedy immoral families who run and control the country. Parroting crap about baby boomers is ignorant. Many of those people never had anything like you enjoy in your life.

While you're busy pissing on baby boomers you forget how roads got built and buildings went up but most important you forget these are your parents and grand-parents. My sympathy to you for not being able to respect your elders.
 
2013-02-18 10:16:51 PM

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What do you get when you mix half a cup of water and half a cup of coffee?

Think about it.
 
2013-02-18 10:17:17 PM
Wait, you mean Ponzi schemes don't work if you don't have an ever-expanding base of new suckers? WHA?!?!?


/ok, technically it's a tontine insurance scam
 
2013-02-18 10:17:34 PM
...  because the gheys
 
2013-02-18 10:17:36 PM
When did "white and college educated" become a bad thing?
 
2013-02-18 10:18:01 PM

BMFPitt: stuhayes2010: exponential growth, how does it work?

Differently than population growth, which is slowing and likely to peak in a few decades given current trends.


Literacy for girls, vaccination for childhood diseases, and wider access to various forms of birth control usually bring fertility rates down to replacement within a generation or two.

If momma can make her own money, and knows her babies aren't going to snuff it at a 50% rate before the age of three, she throttles back her breeding rate. Same goes for the men...most guys would prefer to support 3 kids instead of six. Just show him where the condoms are.
 
2013-02-18 10:18:01 PM

Stone Meadow: Happy Hours: I'm sure we as a species will survive but we're going to have issues with population.

I see your...

[www.endangeredspecieshandbook.org image 394x263]

And raise you with what the UN actually thinks is going to happen...

[thehaberboschprocess.files.wordpress.com image 440x306]

IOW, we're going to top out at about 50% higher than we are now.

Scary graphs are scary?


Well, that is a longer term projection but it doesn't seem that unrealistic. I think there's probably an upper bound on life span and we're probably fairly close to it (just what I believe).

The graph I posted doesn't project as far into the future. But with recent (industrial age) growth trends you'd expect some issues.

super_grass: Translation: white people are being bred out.

And as a progressive humanist, all I can say is: good. White people are oppressors, and they should have a taste of their own medicine at the hands of their victims.  I can't wait to see the day when Europe and America is majority nonwhite and their wealth and power stripped away. Only by then could the world be a peaceful and diverse society free of hate.


Not sure if troll or just Poe's law in action..
 
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