GAT_00: Only if you're worried about the ratio of white people to everyone else.
basemetal: More than 6 billion people in the world, we wont run out any time soon./governments are more worried about future tax revenue
ultraholland: I prefer a fertility picnic.
Fubini: Fertility panic isn't so much related to overpopulation as it is to funding the old people's pensions. If we don't have enough young people we're going to have to go all soylent green on the old folks homes.
Ishkur: Yes, but the reasons are idiotic: They're not moral, or ethical, or survival, or even rational.They're economic.And the only reason why they're economic is because Capitalism only works under a policy of constant growth which simply is not possible in a finite system.The solution, then, is not the keep increasing the population for economic prosperity's sake, but to throw away Capitalism entirely and adopt a new economic metric that doesn't rely on growth and profit as the be-all and end-all of human endeavor.We have to change our priorities here.
Ishkur: And the only reason why they're economic is because Capitalism only works under a policy of constant growth which simply is not possible in a finite system.
Dumski: From the Wikipedia article on ZPG (Zero Population Growth)In the late 1960s ZPG became a big political movement in the U.S. and parts of Europe, with strong links to environmentalism and feminism. Yale University was a stronghold of the ZPG activists who believed "that a constantly increasing population is responsible for many of our problems: pollution, violence, loss of values and of individual privacy." Founding fathers of the movement were Paul Ehrlich, author of The Population Bomb, and Thomas Eisner. Ehrlich stated: "The mother of the year should be a sterlized woman with two adopted children."My father was an OB/GYN in the '60s and 70's. I remember him wearing a ZPG button on his lab coat.That was the thinking post baby boom, and he was a supporter of that cause. Geez Dad, what a waste of time.
Pumpernickel bread: Well, fewer humans, particularly in developed countries is certainly better for maintaining the habitability of the earth, but governments depend on an ever-expanding tax-base to make good on those promises they made.
Ed Willy: GAT_00: Only if you're worried about the ratio of white people to everyone else.Don't forget the Japanese. Half the incentive for creating robots is so they can avoid having to open their borders to permanent immigration.Meanwhile, China one child policy mixed with their preference of boys means you'll have a generation of working class men with no females around.Hmmm.... Maybe Japan and China can finally reach piece by trading Japanese sex bot technology to help the Chinese government from having a revolution of sexually frustrated men.
Mentat: The biggest side effect of the population leveling off is that once the baby boomers die off, there will be a massive world-wide worker shortage. Countries will be fighting to let immigrants in. It will be the greatest boon to the Middle Class since the Black Death.
Koodz: I'm with Gat on this one. I see white racists complain about being out-bred by the browns all the time and all I can think is, "You can't stand your own women enough to fark them. It's almost like subconsciously you aren't convinced of your own superiority after all."
thermo: well you can blame me for lack of whatever the US average crotch fruit is for married couples. We are 43, I am snipped, and adoption is not on the table.
MugzyBrown: Actually the structure of the faulty economics (not capitalism) put in place by most western gov'ts is what needs constant growth. Capitalism does not.
frestcrallen: Fertility alarmists in the US tend to be the same people who oppose immigration, working mothers and state spending.
Happy Hours: I'm sure we as a species will survive but we're going to have issues with population.
Happy Hours: Well, when you base retirement plans on Ponzi schemes you need more growth.
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