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(Entertainment Weekly)   Mindy McCready's suicide marks the fifth 'Celebrity Rehab' death. It's like that show is cursed   (insidetv.ew.com) divider line 93
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2013-02-19 12:31:01 AM  

lack of warmth: Interesting that they switched to non-celebrity participants, so it will be a little harder to tract how many still die from this quack practice.

Danny Bonaduce weighed in on this in his auto-biography, he stated what a waste of time trying to save someone who doesn't want to be saved in rehabs that really don't understand.  He got off drugs because he chose to get off drugs, otherwise he would be dead.

Mindy got off drugs, but that alone isn't enough when other stuff starts happening and you may not have help with those new real serious problems.


Yep. Sometimes the drugs are the issue and sometimes the drug use is just a symptom on an underlying problem that something like drug rehab won't solve.
 
2013-02-19 12:35:09 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Yep. Sometimes the drugs are the issue and sometimes the drug use is just a symptom on an underlying problem that something like drug rehab won't solve.


This poses an interesting question. Would Mindy McCready still be alive today had she still been addicted to drugs?

/self-medicating is a form of treatment...
 
2013-02-19 12:39:30 AM  

tinderboxer: If you get dry but are still psychologically crippled, you are not really going to be successful.


Is that what the term "dry drunk" means? I don't really know any alcoholics, so I'm just guessing.

Also I just wanted to applaud those of you who are battling addictions and the surrounding co-occurring issues. It seems to take a great deal of self-awareness and fortitude to keep up the fight. Truly the best of luck to you all.
 
2013-02-19 12:51:42 AM  
secularsage:

People might disagree with his methods and his clear desire to cling to celebrity, but as far as medical practice goes, he's the real deal.

His desire to cling to celebrity is exactly what makes his 'medical practice' suspect to begin with; the two are not inseparable.

To put it another way, I cannot think of a single psychiatrist who would advocate the idea of interjecting a film crew into a person's drug rehabilitation program as it offers not a SINGLE therapeutic advantage.  The goal of television programming is to generate ratings.  The goal of drug rehabilitation is to start the process of repairing a fundamentally damaged individual.  These two things simply cannot exist in perfect harmony for the simple fact that rehab is a fantastically delicate process that MUST take into account the patient's well-being first and foremost.

As stated in a few posts higher, the desire to generate ratings is what prompted Dr. Drew to place Heidi Fleiss into his program with the very man who was arrested for beating the shiat out of her.

It's far from a pressing issue in and of itself, but I find the fact that a guy like Dr. Drew is not held in social contempt to be a sad commentary on the degree to which this culture of ours worships at the altar of celebrity.
 
2013-02-19 01:05:22 AM  

OhioUGrad: So can we get a season with Bieber, Rhianna, Chris Brown, and a few other of those talentless douches to see if we can continue the trend.

/they don't need to be addicts


Taylor Swift needs to be there
 
2013-02-19 01:27:43 AM  
Subby took my post from the last thread to make a new headline?

/same exact article I posted
 
2013-02-19 01:43:44 AM  

Scorpinock: I once met a celebrity while doing some voice directing. He was a former child star who had been in and out of rehab for years. Between takes, we talked about the industry, and I was amazed at both how open he was, and how truly sad his life was. He died a few months later, and I often think back to that day, and how grateful he was to be working on something. He must have thanked us twenty times through out the day. He did a really great job, too.

/Sad story, Bro.


This sounds remarkably similar to an anecdote from Crank 2 director Brian Taylor on  this episode of How Did This Get Made ...
 
2013-02-19 02:06:34 AM  
oh they tried to send me to rehab

and i said DRINK DRINK DRINK
 
2013-02-19 02:54:08 AM  

doglover: Scorpinock: I once met a celebrity while doing some voice directing. He was a former child star who had been in and out of rehab for years. Between takes, we talked about the industry, and I was amazed at both how open he was, and how truly sad his life was. He died a few months later, and I often think back to that day, and how grateful he was to be working on something. He must have thanked us twenty times through out the day. He did a really great job, too.

/Sad story, Bro.

Name dropping is still name dropping without using the name. It's just annoying to boot.




Did I just read that? He withholds the name and its still name dropping?..lol

So nobody can share celeb stories?
 
2013-02-19 03:13:31 AM  
Kinda like how life always seems to turn out for the "World's Oldest Man" or "World's Oldest Woman." Geez, talk about an unlucky streak ...
 
2013-02-19 04:42:28 AM  

schubie: Does he still claim that homosexuality is a result of abuse and that gay sex is unhealthy? Dudes got some weird ideas.


To him anything other than heterosexual sex in the missionary position is evidence of childhood abuse. It was painful to listen to him on on Loveline injecting the weight of that thought into people's heads.

He's just another attention whore saying whatever he can to sell ads. He doesn't care what it costs others.
 
2013-02-19 05:52:45 AM  
Another thing to consider though, is that these 'reality show' 'contestants', are being paid to participate (or appear) on the show, and probably need the money, which in the case many of 'reality show' participants can be several thousand dollars per episode.
Dave Hester from "Storage Wars", was being paid $40k per episode.
Chumlee, from Pawn Stars, drives a black Rolls Royce.

Every one of the 'victims' has a SAG card, and are paid for their appearance on the series.
 
2013-02-19 05:58:54 AM  
I remember one time on Loveline Doctor Drew trying to convince someone she was an alcoholic because her parents used to drink a lot.

SHE didn't drink a lot; her parents did.

It was then when I realized that hanging out with this pill pushing shill would really be a drag.
 
2013-02-19 06:18:13 AM  

El Brujo: As there is a huge amount of Dr. Drew hatred on fark, I'll just say that I think he's smart and knows what he's talking about.  I would think this sentiment isn't up to too much debate...I suspect people hate him because they see what he does as exploitative.  On that, I don't care.  People who need to be "famous" for validity deserve whatever they get when they put themselves in front of a (reality show style) tv camera.
/alky
//sober, thankfully.


If you're a real drunk, then you already know that putting someone who  wants to get sober in front of a TV camera is the worst way to attempt rehab, and might even make them worse.  So he must not care if these people actually get help for their problems.

I've heard Dr. Drew talk.  He's not completely full of shiat.  Neither is Dr. Phil.  It's just the way they go about their "help" that makes them  con artists.
 
2013-02-19 06:21:15 AM  

TommyymmoT: Chumlee, from Pawn Stars, drives a black Rolls Royce


I bet he has the best weed.
 
2013-02-19 06:28:45 AM  
Dr. Phil said to be inconsolable at the loss of ratings...  I mean life.  Yes, life.  That's it.
 
2013-02-19 06:35:53 AM  

Propain_az: See?!?!?!?  She had an assault rifle.  Ban all the guns!


Crazy people (like you, for instance) shouldn't have guns. Addicts should not have guns. It leads to bad things.
 
2013-02-19 07:12:05 AM  
Who the hell is Mindy McCready?
 
2013-02-19 07:18:26 AM  
I take it that sobriety is depressing?
 
2013-02-19 07:21:40 AM  

Matticus: 5 star chef of tv dinners: OtherLittleGuy: Too bad he didn't stick with Big Brother. The carnage of houseguests would have rivaled "Dead Set".

That just gave me a fantastic idea for a reality show.  Gather a bunch of celebrity addicts and lock them in a house togther.  Then have them compete in a series of events to win a small amount of drugs of their choice.  Don't win the challange, then no high for you.  No need to create drama, the guests are bound to do it to them selves.

On a serious note, "Dr." Drew is a damn quack.  He's no better then Dr. Phil in most regards.  Anyone who listens to him for any advice deserves exactly what happens to them.

How is he a quack? Looking for examples.


Any doctor who would exploit and profit from folks with horrible addictions and dysfunctional, self destructive lives, is in violation of the Hippocratic oath and should have their medical license revoked permanently. And be punched repeatedly in the genitals until it's certain they will be unable to reproduce.
 
2013-02-19 07:44:29 AM  

Onkel Buck: I take it that sobriety is depressing?


Damn straight it is.
 
2013-02-19 08:24:20 AM  
I tend to like Dr. Drew a lot better in the long form stuff.  I love his new podcast, where he sits down with a guest (mostly medical specialists of one field or another, sprinkled with a former junkie or Brad Williams), and takes the first 40 minutes or so to talk about common issues in the specialist's field.  Then they take a couple of listener calls for the last 20 minutes or so.

It's really refreshing
 
2013-02-19 08:48:13 AM  

SkunkWerks: Who the hell is Mindy McCready?


Do you purposefully avoid all newspapers, news sites, and news shows?  Or do you just pretend to purposefully avoid all newspapers, news sites, and news shows?
 
2013-02-19 09:10:28 AM  

giftedmadness: doglover: Scorpinock: I once met a celebrity while doing some voice directing. He was a former child star who had been in and out of rehab for years. Between takes, we talked about the industry, and I was amazed at both how open he was, and how truly sad his life was. He died a few months later, and I often think back to that day, and how grateful he was to be working on something. He must have thanked us twenty times through out the day. He did a really great job, too.

/Sad story, Bro.

Name dropping is still name dropping without using the name. It's just annoying to boot.

Did I just read that? He withholds the name and its still name dropping?..lol

So nobody can share celeb stories?


Calling someone out is still calling someone out without using the name.  It's just annoying to boot.
 
2013-02-19 09:14:19 AM  

Atomic Spunk: I predict that Stephen Adler will be the next to go. Then Dennis Rodman. Then Kari Ann Peniche.

Hmmmm...Kari Ann Peniche
[images.tvrage.com image 221x320]


Heeeeeell no, she is way beyond farked up.  If you want to ruin your life invite her over.
 
2013-02-19 09:26:19 AM  

tinderboxer: Pentaxian: It seems that any rehab program is only a start and not the end of recovery.

Rehab is only as good as your willingness to change.


Bolding for further emphasis.  It's the whole reason I don't think my uncle will ever get clean, but that my cousin actually has a shot at it.  People who don't want to change because they think they're actually fine or because they revel in the attention they're getting, aren't going to.  My cousin finally got a good look at how badly he had farked up his life and how close he came to permanently destroying everything he'd built up, and is honestly trying to make sure that doesn't happen again (including asking for my mother's help making sure he's okay after his wife died of cancer last week). My uncle left the last bout of court-ordered rehab with the idea that everything was still someone else's fault. My cousin can hope all she wants, but he's not going to change until he wants to. And the fact is, he didn't surface to get clean and find her.  The only reason she knew he was even in town then was because he was on the news for getting caught at a buy bust.

The people who are getting attention for being total trainwrecks? A lot of them have wanted nothing but attention from the start, and if this gets it for them, then great.


I also think Rehab "Resorts" are a HORRIBLE idea. Yes, here we have successfully gotten you off drugs in this beautiful and perfect environment where you are treated fabulously.  Now! Off you go into the real world which still has all the problems that helped drive you to drugs in the first place!
 
2013-02-19 10:09:35 AM  

Lipspinach: Onkel Buck: I take it that sobriety is depressing?
Damn straight it is.


Beats the hell out of dying in a ditch somewhere though.  So there's that.
 
2013-02-19 10:18:10 AM  

Pentaxian: tinderboxer: If you get dry but are still psychologically crippled, you are not really going to be successful.

Is that what the term "dry drunk" means? I don't really know any alcoholics, so I'm just guessing.

Also I just wanted to applaud those of you who are battling addictions and the surrounding co-occurring issues. It seems to take a great deal of self-awareness and fortitude to keep up the fight. Truly the best of luck to you all.


Yes, essentially. Being a dry drunk is someone who has stopped drinking but hasn't dealt with the underlying emotional/spiritual issues which typically fuel the tormentented mentality of an addict or alcoholic. They still obsess but can't drink their cares away, because the repercussions of drinking alcohol are too grave.
 
2013-02-19 11:10:13 AM  

halfof33: secularsage: People might disagree with his methods and his clear desire to cling to celebrity, but as far as medical practice goes, he's the real deal.

Wrong, the douchebag requires that his patients sell out their treatment and their Hippa rights in exchange for engorging that mass murderers ego. He is easily the worst "Doctor" on TV.

Cool post otherwise.


his views and comments on marijuana can only be described as "wrong"
 
2013-02-19 12:18:20 PM  

secularsage: To the Dr. Drew haters, unlike pretty much every TV and radio personality who uses the prefix "Dr.", Drew Pinsky is a board-certified physician (which means he has to regularly undergo credentialing to practice medicine) and is recognized as an addiction medicine specialist.

Most of his career has been spent trying to help people by bringing awareness to the serious problems that addiction brings in people who are susceptible to it. I've listened to him on Loveline and watched him on some of his shows, and while I think he does have a tendency to generalize and jump to conclusions because of the nature of what he's doing (answering sex questions, commenting on news, etc), he generally backs up what he's saying with science-based medicine and not with the sort of quackery you'd hear on Dr. Oz or Dr. Phil. He's also usually clear to point out that addiction isn't the same for everyone and that genetics or youthful trauma are the most accurate predictors of who will struggle with addiction. These views are hardly controversial.

People might disagree with his methods and his clear desire to cling to celebrity, but as far as medical practice goes, he's the real deal.

Celebrity Rehab was, if I recall, intended to shine a spotlight on addiction problems by featuring people who were used to being in the spotlight (and who were thus less likely to relapse due to the presence of cameras). But clearly, recruiting C and D-list celebs who are dying to receive any sort of attention didn't work out so well and it's caused them to rethink the strategy. I personally found the show hard to watch and not entertaining in the slightest -- it's really hard to see these trainwrecks who want to be loved so badly, but who let alcohol and drugs get so in the way that they can't function as normal human beings.


As someone who has a degree in therapy and has worked at a rehab facility, I just want to point out that being a medical doctor is not the same as being a therapist. In fact, there is a lot of damage caused by medical doctors prescribing mood altering drugs to people under the guise of being a mental health professional. So no, I don't give him a pass because he has a medical degree. He is still operating outside his area of expertise.

/most therapists are poor
//wish I could be a celebrity therapist
 
2013-02-19 12:33:51 PM  

TommyymmoT: Because People in power are Stupid: Her music was tacky and derivative.

Which obviously makes her deserving of nothing less than death.


Absolutely. It was self inflicted, perhaps she could no longer stand her own music.
 
2013-02-19 12:40:21 PM  
If these people are going to make and "leak" sex tapes, they need to hire a farking camera man.
 
2013-02-19 01:06:13 PM  

Matticus: How is he a quack? Looking for examples.


I can answer that in a roundabout way.  I lost all respect for Dr. Drew when I saw him on The Today Show gravely discussing how dangerous it was for women to read "Fifty Shade of Grey".

Screw you, Pinsky.  I read "9 1/2 Weeks" while babysitting when I was 11 years old.  Now that I'm pushing 50, I sure as shiat don't need a farking celebrity doctor tell me what my pretty little head can comprehend with or without reaching for the smelling salts.
 
2013-02-19 01:21:26 PM  

KwameKilstrawberry: Matticus: How is he a quack? Looking for examples.

I can answer that in a roundabout way.  I lost all respect for Dr. Drew when I saw him on The Today Show gravely discussing how dangerous it was for women to read "Fifty Shade of Grey".

Screw you, Pinsky.  I read "9 1/2 Weeks" while babysitting when I was 11 years old.  Now that I'm pushing 50, I sure as shiat don't need a farking celebrity doctor tell me what my pretty little head can comprehend with or without reaching for the smelling salts.


Maybe he's trying to protect you from BAD WRITING.  Yknow, Twilight-level bad writing.
 
2013-02-19 01:27:00 PM  

voran: KwameKilstrawberry: Matticus: How is he a quack? Looking for examples.

I can answer that in a roundabout way.  I lost all respect for Dr. Drew when I saw him on The Today Show gravely discussing how dangerous it was for women to read "Fifty Shade of Grey".

Screw you, Pinsky.  I read "9 1/2 Weeks" while babysitting when I was 11 years old.  Now that I'm pushing 50, I sure as shiat don't need a farking celebrity doctor tell me what my pretty little head can comprehend with or without reaching for the smelling salts.

Maybe he's trying to protect you from BAD WRITING.  Yknow, Twilight-level bad writing.


That's a damn good point.
 
2013-02-19 01:36:28 PM  

beakerxf: schubie: Does he still claim that homosexuality is a result of abuse and that gay sex is unhealthy? Dudes got some weird ideas.

I remember hearing him say something along those lines about 15 years ago on his radio show.   That's when I stopped taking anything he had to say seriously.   He hasn't done anything to change my impression of him.


I don't know what he said, but I read a publication that indicated a strong connection between childhood sexual trauma and a rewiring of sexual preference. Apparently victims of sexual abuse at a certain age indicate homosexual/bisexual preferences as an adult at a far greater rate than in the general population.

Again, I don't know his views on the subject, but if they are anything similar to that he probably has a good idea of what he is talking about.
 
2013-02-19 03:18:44 PM  
It's almost as if addiction and mental illness are long-term problems that require long-term therapy.
 
2013-02-19 03:28:55 PM  

KwameKilstrawberry: Matticus: How is he a quack? Looking for examples.

I can answer that in a roundabout way.  I lost all respect for Dr. Drew when I saw him on The Today Show gravely discussing how dangerous it was for women to read "Fifty Shade of Grey".

Screw you, Pinsky.  I read "9 1/2 Weeks" while babysitting when I was 11 years old.  Now that I'm pushing 50, I sure as shiat don't need a farking celebrity doctor tell me what my pretty little head can comprehend with or without reaching for the smelling salts.


You sound angry. Are you angry?

What did your 11-year-old self learn from "Nine and a half weeks"?
 
2013-02-19 03:48:51 PM  

Flaming Yawn: KwameKilstrawberry: Matticus: How is he a quack? Looking for examples.

I can answer that in a roundabout way.  I lost all respect for Dr. Drew when I saw him on The Today Show gravely discussing how dangerous it was for women to read "Fifty Shade of Grey".

Screw you, Pinsky.  I read "9 1/2 Weeks" while babysitting when I was 11 years old.  Now that I'm pushing 50, I sure as shiat don't need a farking celebrity doctor tell me what my pretty little head can comprehend with or without reaching for the smelling salts.

You sound angry. Are you angry?

What did your 11-year-old self learn from "Nine and a half weeks"?


To take a riding crop when testing mattresses.
 
2013-02-19 08:29:04 PM  

spyderqueen: Rehab

Anything is only as good as your willingness to change.

FTFM
 
2013-02-20 12:49:12 AM  

SurelyShirley: Loveline was great in the early 90s, and it wasn't because of Dr Drew. "Poorman" was the one who was responsible  for the show's popularity, but got the shaft allegedly because he couldn't play nice in the corporate radio world. Dr Drew knew how to play the game, kept the show on the air, got syndicated, picked up by MTV and then got his own show. Good for him. Poorman still deserves all the credit for loveline.


Poorman sucked. Riki Rachtman, of all people, was way better than Poorman. Of course Adam Carolla was the best, especially when David Allan Grier was the guest.

/Propecia! Get over here! Stop hitting your sister!
 
2013-02-20 03:16:29 AM  

5 star chef of tv dinners: OtherLittleGuy: Too bad he didn't stick with Big Brother. The carnage of houseguests would have rivaled "Dead Set".

That just gave me a fantastic idea for a reality show.  Gather a bunch of celebrity addicts and lock them in a house togther.  Then have them compete in a series of events to win a small amount of drugs of their choice.  Don't win the challange, then no high for you.  No need to create drama, the guests are bound to do it to them selves.

On a serious note, "Dr." Drew is a damn quack.  He's no better then Dr. Phil in most regards.  Anyone who listens to him for any advice deserves exactly what happens to them.


Except Dr Drew is a real, board certified physician who actually practices medicine. He can't control what stupid people do and he never claimed to. Listening to Loveline 20 years ago, it is obvious he knows his shiat. That said, when people argue with him, or claim he's wrong about them, he can't be responsible for what they do. Junkies are going to relapse.
 
2013-02-20 11:02:29 AM  

Kyosuke: It is cursed: Dr. Drew Pinsky.


Exactly. Dr. Drew is more concerned with pushing his out-dated moral code than he is with genuinely helping these people. That show's about shame; not healing.
 
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