Quitters never win.

The other two are Jeff Conaway and Rodney King, BTW.

TommyymmoT: None of then actually got any help, all they got was thrown back into the same kind of situation that screwed them up in the first place, only more so, because they were back in the spotlight again, but this time, woefully unprepared.

like Mike Starr who'd basically not been in the public eye for ages, suddenly having him on TV was a very very very bad idea. Can't help but wonder if in some cases there's not a manager somewhere pushing people to be on it as a way to get their careers back so they can get more money coming in to take a cut of. And anyone who doesn't think a manager would care so little about someone as to do something like that just needs to read up on Badfinger.

Interesting that they switched to non-celebrity participants, so it will be a little harder to tract how many still die from this quack practice.

Danny Bonaduce weighed in on this in his auto-biography, he stated what a waste of time trying to save someone who doesn't want to be saved in rehabs that really don't understand.  He got off drugs because he chose to get off drugs, otherwise he would be dead.

Mindy got off drugs, but that alone isn't enough when other stuff starts happening and you may not have help with those new real serious problems.  I imagine, she battled with the idea of going back to the drugs, but that would mean death and if that would be her destination then why hold it up.  It is only a guess and I do not judge her.  Now is the time to hope the best for her sons.  After all, we wouldn't want to have another Dana Plato and Tyler Lambert story.

/celebrity or not, I hate these stories

5 star chef of tv dinners: OtherLittleGuy: Too bad he didn't stick with Big Brother. The carnage of houseguests would have rivaled "Dead Set".

That just gave me a fantastic idea for a reality show.  Gather a bunch of celebrity addicts and lock them in a house togther.  Then have them compete in a series of events to win a small amount of drugs of their choice.  Don't win the challange, then no high for you.  No need to create drama, the guests are bound to do it to them selves.

On a serious note, "Dr." Drew is a damn quack.  He's no better then Dr. Phil in most regards.  Anyone who listens to him for any advice deserves exactly what happens to them.

How is he a quack? Looking for examples.

See?!?!?!?  She had an assault rifle.  Ban all the guns!

Matticus:

On a serious note, "Dr." Drew is a damn quack.  He's no better then Dr. Phil in most regards.  Anyone who listens to him for any advice deserves exactly what happens to them.

How is he a quack? Looking for examples.

Let's allow Dr. Stanhope to explain that for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBYmiYnFg4M

NSFW audio, in case you've never Stanhoped.

So can we get a season with Bieber, Rhianna, Chris Brown, and a few other of those talentless douches to see if we can continue the trend.

/they don't need to be addicts

This thread showed up just after Poltergeist started. Good timing, greenlighters.

As there is a huge amount of Dr. Drew hatred on fark, I'll just say that I think he's smart and knows what he's talking about.  I would think this sentiment isn't up to too much debate...I suspect people hate him because they see what he does as exploitative.  On that, I don't care.  People who need to be "famous" for validity deserve whatever they get when they put themselves in front of a (reality show style) tv camera.

/alky
//sober, thankfully.

Matticus: 5 star chef of tv dinners: OtherLittleGuy: Too bad he didn't stick with Big Brother. The carnage of houseguests would have rivaled "Dead Set".

That just gave me a fantastic idea for a reality show.  Gather a bunch of celebrity addicts and lock them in a house togther.  Then have them compete in a series of events to win a small amount of drugs of their choice.  Don't win the challange, then no high for you.  No need to create drama, the guests are bound to do it to them selves.

On a serious note, "Dr." Drew is a damn quack.  He's no better then Dr. Phil in most regards.  Anyone who listens to him for any advice deserves exactly what happens to them.

How is he a quack? Looking for examples.

Tom Sizemore had been convicted of assaulting Heidi Fleiss, and the two had an extremely tempestuous relationship which was fueled by boatloads of powerful drugs. So Dr. Drew does the most sensible thing and puts them in treatment together. Then, after several really ugly confrontations with one another, he puts the two lovebirds together in a sober house. Dr. Drew may put on the facade of being a concerned physician, but he's a ratings whore who doesn't give a crap about his patients.

He put Heidi Fleiss and Tom Sizemore together in rehab. After Tom had been convicted of beating her ass. He took money from drug companies to prescribe anti-depressants. He somehow manages to be within 5 minutes of a television studio every time one of them dies. Maybe he is the one offing them?

AdolfOliverPanties: Can't blame the show.  Addicts relapse and addicts die.

For ever Robert Downey Jr there are ten Jeff Conaways (not just in the celebrity community of course.)

Addiction sucks.

I don't think the show helps. Many of the people who go on it do so in an attempt to salvage their careers by staying in the limelight. However, the pressures of the limelight are what led them to drugs in the first place. Only now, you're saddled with the burden of being a laughingstock because millions of people have seen you at your absolute lowest and most pathetic.

Downey had a situation where if he didn't get sober, he'd have ended up in prison if he was lucky enough to survive. Same thing with Scott Weiland. They knew they needed real help, so they got it quietly and only tried to emerge back into the public eye when they thought they could handle it. The Conaways and McReadys are so desperate not to give up the public eye, they never learn how to handle it without going back to old habits.

Hey, cheer up...a hickey from Kenickie's like a Hallmark card...when you care enough to send the very best.

Celebrity Rehab is no different than The Biggest Loser, in that the people on the show are almost entirely unable to maintain either sobriety or their weight when it's over.  You sequester people from temptation (drugs, food), put them on extreme regimens to break the addiction, then set them loose and expect them to continue living like they're on a TV show?  Relapses are so common, they're damn near the point.

I predict that Stephen Adler will be the next to go. Then Dennis Rodman. Then Kari Ann Peniche.

Hmmmm...Kari Ann Peniche

Matticus: 5 star chef of tv dinners: OtherLittleGuy: Too bad he didn't stick with Big Brother. The carnage of houseguests would have rivaled "Dead Set".

That just gave me a fantastic idea for a reality show.  Gather a bunch of celebrity addicts and lock them in a house togther.  Then have them compete in a series of events to win a small amount of drugs of their choice.  Don't win the challange, then no high for you.  No need to create drama, the guests are bound to do it to them selves.

On a serious note, "Dr." Drew is a damn quack.  He's no better then Dr. Phil in most regards.  Anyone who listens to him for any advice deserves exactly what happens to them.

How is he a quack? Looking for examples.

Personally I think putting people who are detoxing from drugs in front of cameras to make more money for yourself makes you a quack and means you stopped caring about the Hippocratic oath a long time ago.

Its been done before.

I once met a celebrity while doing some voice directing. He was a former child star who had been in and out of rehab for years. Between takes, we talked about the industry, and I was amazed at both how open he was, and how truly sad his life was. He died a few months later, and I often think back to that day, and how grateful he was to be working on something. He must have thanked us twenty times through out the day. He did a really great job, too.

/Sad story, Bro.

Interesting to note that one of the people who has benefited the most from Dr. Drew is Jennifer Ketcham f.k.a. porn star Penny Flame. She's now a published author and college student. Her blog is a pretty good read which begins five days after she left Dr. Drew's care.One thing that comes through her blog is the enormous amount of work she has needed to do. It seems that any rehab program is only a start and not the end of recovery.

To the Dr. Drew haters, unlike pretty much every TV and radio personality who uses the prefix "Dr.", Drew Pinsky is a board-certified physician (which means he has to regularly undergo credentialing to practice medicine) and is recognized as an addiction medicine specialist.

Most of his career has been spent trying to help people by bringing awareness to the serious problems that addiction brings in people who are susceptible to it. I've listened to him on Loveline and watched him on some of his shows, and while I think he does have a tendency to generalize and jump to conclusions because of the nature of what he's doing (answering sex questions, commenting on news, etc), he generally backs up what he's saying with science-based medicine and not with the sort of quackery you'd hear on Dr. Oz or Dr. Phil. He's also usually clear to point out that addiction isn't the same for everyone and that genetics or youthful trauma are the most accurate predictors of who will struggle with addiction. These views are hardly controversial.

People might disagree with his methods and his clear desire to cling to celebrity, but as far as medical practice goes, he's the real deal.

Celebrity Rehab was, if I recall, intended to shine a spotlight on addiction problems by featuring people who were used to being in the spotlight (and who were thus less likely to relapse due to the presence of cameras). But clearly, recruiting C and D-list celebs who are dying to receive any sort of attention didn't work out so well and it's caused them to rethink the strategy. I personally found the show hard to watch and not entertaining in the slightest -- it's really hard to see these trainwrecks who want to be loved so badly, but who let alcohol and drugs get so in the way that they can't function as normal human beings.

secularsage: People might disagree with his methods and his clear desire to cling to celebrity, but as far as medical practice goes, he's the real deal.

Wrong, the douchebag requires that his patients sell out their treatment and their Hippa rights in exchange for engorging that mass murderers ego. He is easily the worst "Doctor" on TV.

Cool post otherwise.

Does he still claim that homosexuality is a result of abuse and that gay sex is unhealthy? Dudes got some weird ideas.

antidisestablishmentarianism: I had no idea who this person was so i GISed her.

She went from:
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to:
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I have no idea what the difference in age is besides the lower one is more recent.

About 50 pounds.

Pentaxian: It seems that any rehab program is only a start and not the end of recovery.

Rehab is only as good as your willingness to change. Not just habits but to rebuild your self from the ground up and leave that other person behind you. If you slide back into the same situation, same surroundings re-lap is almost a foregone conclusion, irrespective of how much you want it. People fall in to the pit of addiction because they have not developed methods of coping with life. If you get dry but are still psychologically crippled, you are not really going to be successful.

schubie: Does he still claim that homosexuality is a result of abuse and that gay sex is unhealthy? Dudes got some weird ideas.

I remember hearing him say something along those lines about 15 years ago on his radio show.   That's when I stopped taking anything he had to say seriously.   He hasn't done anything to change my impression of him.

tinderboxer: Pentaxian: It seems that any rehab program is only a start and not the end of recovery.

Rehab is only as good as your willingness to change. Not just habits but to rebuild your self from the ground up and leave that other person behind you. If you slide back into the same situation, same surroundings re-lap is almost a foregone conclusion, irrespective of how much you want it. People fall in to the pit of addiction because they have not developed methods of coping with life. If you get dry but are still psychologically crippled, you are not really going to be successful.

csb

A buddy of mine spent a million dollars on rehab. $1,000,000. His mother told me how great he was doing on a rehab in the Caribbean. That was at his best friends mothers funeral. He came back, beat up his fathers care taker, finally did six months at cook county jail, and then got clean.

$1,000,000 cash.

Atomic Spunk: I predict that Stephen Adler will be the next to go. Then Dennis Rodman. Then Kari Ann Peniche.

Hmmmm...Kari Ann Peniche
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dennis was just on leno. caught about 1 minute of the interview, flipping through channels. he didn't look good.