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2013-02-18 02:13:43 PM
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2013-02-18 03:49:26 PM
No bueno.
 
2013-02-18 03:51:38 PM
Time for another rookie until the strikeout kind Corey Hart returns. If we have a bullpen this year maybe we sneak in for a wild card.
 
2013-02-18 03:52:20 PM

eagles95: Time for another rookie until the strikeout kind Corey Hart returns. If we have a bullpen this year maybe we sneak in for a wild card.


*king


FTFM
 
2013-02-18 03:53:21 PM
Just waiting for this guy to get called up...

pinetarpress.com
 
2013-02-18 04:01:27 PM
not paying prince fielder that ridiculous contract is still a smart move
 
2013-02-18 04:03:35 PM

animesucks: not paying prince fielder that ridiculous contract is still a smart move


If the Tigers didn't panic over V-Mart going down, Fielder wouldn't have gotten the contract he did.
 
2013-02-18 04:06:22 PM

eagles95: strikeout kind Corey Hart


he ranked 20th in MLB. Adam Dunn is the king, he had 71 more last year. Hart had 23 more AB's also.
 
2013-02-18 04:42:21 PM
Ryan Braun will be riding the pine for 50 games this season too.
 
2013-02-18 04:47:19 PM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: eagles95: strikeout kind Corey Hart

he ranked 20th in MLB. Adam Dunn is the king, he had 71 more last year. Hart had 23 more AB's also.


Let's also take the time to point out that strikeouts aren't really bad for hitters. They're basically the same as any other out, and advanced statistics has held this for awhile. Whatever advantage is gained by "productive outs" (which are rare anyway), is more than compensated for by the fact that you don't ground into double plays, and you are working the pitcher for better/more pitches. Take a look at Michael Bourn, for instance (as an Indians fan, I've been reading a lot on him). He strikes out a TON, but in all of last season he grounded into a mere two double plays.
 
2013-02-18 05:02:03 PM

lacydog: What_Would_Jimi_Do: eagles95: strikeout kind Corey Hart

he ranked 20th in MLB. Adam Dunn is the king, he had 71 more last year. Hart had 23 more AB's also.

Let's also take the time to point out that strikeouts aren't really bad for hitters. They're basically the same as any other out, and advanced statistics has held this for awhile. Whatever advantage is gained by "productive outs" (which are rare anyway), is more than compensated for by the fact that you don't ground into double plays, and you are working the pitcher for better/more pitches. Take a look at Michael Bourn, for instance (as an Indians fan, I've been reading a lot on him). He strikes out a TON, but in all of last season he grounded into a mere two double plays.


Corey Hart is at least the prince of Double Plays. Surprisingly, played very well in the field at 1st. I just feel as though there HAS to be a better option than him. His legs are dead.


Broktun: Ryan Braun will be riding the pine for 50 games this season too.



LOL....silly rabbit...Selig is still in charge. Last i checked he's from Milwaukee
 
2013-02-18 05:05:16 PM
brewers and royals have been stuck in the eighties for quite some time.
 
2013-02-18 05:06:32 PM
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RIP Joe Camel
 
2013-02-18 05:07:21 PM

Subby, I hate you and wish nothing but torment to follow you for the rest of your days, despite your good headline.

The Bestest: animesucks: not paying prince fielder that ridiculous contract is still a smart move

If the Tigers didn't panic over V-Mart going down, Fielder wouldn't have gotten the contract he did.


His contract would still have far exceeded, in dollars or years, what the Brewers were willing to paying him.

eagles95: eagles95: Time for another rookie until the strikeout kind Corey Hart returns. If we have a bullpen this year maybe we sneak in for a wild card.

*king


FTFM


If the pitcher throws a decent breaking ball near the outside corner, Corey Hart is going to have a bad day.  However, if Hart is in that "I can hit anything as long as it is pitched anywhere, but the outside corner" zone that he gets into 2 or 3 times a year, the pitcher may have a bad day.

blatz514: Just waiting for this guy to get called up...

[pinetarpress.com image 453x424]


From Mike Newman, prospect expert at FanGraphs:


Morris has excellent bat speed and impressive power potential, but his swing-and-miss tendencies are a bit concerning. Improved plate discipline would help tighten Morris' strike zone judgment,  but one has to wonder if a player with three years of major college baseball and 1500+ professional plate appearances has much room for growth in that area if it hasn't improved already. Additionally, Morris is downright bad defensively so the bat will have to carry him.

 I am not knocking Morris as I have not been following him or his progression through the minors, but why is everyone so excited about this guy?

Quote taken from here.
 
2013-02-18 05:16:28 PM

roc6783: Subby, I hate you and wish nothing but torment to follow you for the rest of your days, despite your good headline.

The Bestest: animesucks: not paying prince fielder that ridiculous contract is still a smart move

If the Tigers didn't panic over V-Mart going down, Fielder wouldn't have gotten the contract he did.

His contract would still have far exceeded, in dollars or years, what the Brewers were willing to paying him.

eagles95: eagles95: Time for another rookie until the strikeout kind Corey Hart returns. If we have a bullpen this year maybe we sneak in for a wild card.

*king


FTFM

If the pitcher throws a decent breaking ball near the outside corner, Corey Hart is going to have a bad day.  However, if Hart is in that "I can hit anything as long as it is pitched anywhere, but the outside corner" zone that he gets into 2 or 3 times a year, the pitcher may have a bad day.

blatz514: Just waiting for this guy to get called up...

[pinetarpress.com image 453x424]

From Mike Newman, prospect expert at FanGraphs:


Morris has excellent bat speed and impressive power potential, but his swing-and-miss tendencies are a bit concerning. Improved plate discipline would help tighten Morris' strike zone judgment,  but one has to wonder if a player with three years of major college baseball and 1500+ professional plate appearances has much room for growth in that area if it hasn't improved already. Additionally, Morris is downright bad defensively so the bat will have to carry him.

 I am not knocking Morris as I have not been following him or his progression through the minors, but why is everyone so excited about this guy?

Quote taken from here.


Well, he was the Southern League MVP last year.

/Although, Manny Parra did throw a perfect game in the minors a few years back and look where that got him.
 
2013-02-18 05:18:56 PM

SpikeStrip: brewers and royals have been stuck in the eighties for quite some time.


Because most of the staff was born in the 80's? The Brewers have made the playoffs twice lately and almost got back late last year. I'm not optimistic about this season.

Broktun: Ryan Braun will be riding the pine for 50 games this season too.


I doubt it. He probably would have won MVP last year if the mishandled piss incident hadn't happened and the sports writers weren't holding a grudge.
 
2013-02-18 05:25:55 PM
I hope Gamel can get over the hump.
 
2013-02-18 05:40:25 PM
Corey Hart's problem is that he's never seen a slider he didn't like.
 
2013-02-18 06:13:27 PM

The5thElement: Corey Hart's problem is that he's never seen a slider he didn't like.


I enjoy starting my hatred of him early in the season. By June i'm usually burned out and moved on to hating the bullpen. That being said, he will have a 3month stretch where he goes batshiat nuts and kills the ball every game.
 
2013-02-18 06:17:51 PM

eagles95: The5thElement: Corey Hart's problem is that he's never seen a slider he didn't like.

I enjoy starting my hatred of him early in the season. By June i'm usually burned out and moved on to hating the bullpen. That being said, he will have a 3month stretch where he goes batshiat nuts and kills the ball every game.


Yup. Then he'll balance it out by hitting about .210 the other 3 months.
 
2013-02-18 06:18:50 PM
I just wish the Brewers could get their staffing issues sorted out. If it's not bottom tier talent, it's injuries to vital players.

It's more frustrating to watch our guys drop like like glassjaws than it is to just deal with general suckiness.
 
2013-02-18 06:19:01 PM
So let Maldonado, Taylor Greene and Lucroy (if he needs a quasi day off) take turns until Hart gets back in 4-6 weeks.

/Was Subby not watching last year because Hart's WAY better at first than RF.
//I'd be more nervous about the pitchers than first anyway.
 
2013-02-18 06:28:15 PM

Ken VeryBigLiar: So let Maldonado, Taylor Greene and Lucroy (if he needs a quasi day off) take turns until Hart gets back in 4-6 weeks.

/Was Subby not watching last year because Hart's WAY better at first than RF.
//I'd be more nervous about the pitchers than first anyway.


The bullpen scares me....starters will be tolerable. Hart is better at 1B because he doesnt have to move as much. Watching him run it looks like he is running in slo-mo when he was in RF.
 
2013-02-18 06:36:48 PM

blatz514: Well, he was the Southern League MVP last year.

/Although, Manny Parra did throw a perfect game in the minors a few years back and look where that got him.


Like I said, I'm not knocking him, I just had never heard of him until this off season, and people are talking like he will be a perennial All-Star 1B the second he gets to Milwaukee.

///Then again, people are morons.
 
2013-02-18 06:52:30 PM

eagles95: The bullpen scares me....starters will be tolerable. Hart is better at 1B because he doesnt have to move as much. Watching him run it looks like he is running in slo-mo when he was in RF.


Same here but I am scared of our entire staff. I think Maldanado at first might be a good move. Guy has a cannon for an arm and could help on double plays on an x-3-x opportunity.
 
2013-02-18 07:52:39 PM
The best the Brewers can hope to do this year is finish ahead of the Cubs

/Ryan Braun is a f*cking scumbag
 
2013-02-18 08:09:02 PM

bearded clamorer: The best the Brewers can hope to do this year is finish ahead of the Cubs

/Ryan Braun is a f*cking scumbag


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As long as our bullpen isn't garbage, we'll be fine. Then again, that's easier said than done
 
2013-02-18 08:44:19 PM

bearded clamorer: The best the Brewers can hope to do this year is finish ahead of the Cubs

/Ryan Braun is a f*cking scumbag


You really think Braun is the only one juicing? 90% of MLBers are on something. At the very least. MLB drug testing is a joke and most players get their stuff from sources in other countries.

And as a Brewer fan, the rotation and bullpen concern me. Offense will be fine, but the rotation outside of Gallardo scares me.
 
2013-02-18 09:20:58 PM

machoprogrammer: bearded clamorer: The best the Brewers can hope to do this year is finish ahead of the Cubs

/Ryan Braun is a f*cking scumbag

You really think Braun is the only one juicing? 90% of MLBers are on something. At the very least. MLB drug testing is a joke and most players get their stuff from sources in other countries.

And as a Brewer fan, the rotation and bullpen concern me. Offense will be fine, but the rotation outside of Gallardo scares me.


Eh, I'm not AS concerned about the rotation as some others. They picked it up (minus now departed Wolf) close to the end of the year.

The bullpen is my biggest worry, and that's an understatement. No excuse for having 29 losses last year because the bullpen couldn't hold a lead.
 
2013-02-18 09:27:34 PM

lacydog: What_Would_Jimi_Do: eagles95: strikeout kind Corey Hart

he ranked 20th in MLB. Adam Dunn is the king, he had 71 more last year. Hart had 23 more AB's also.

Let's also take the time to point out that strikeouts aren't really bad for hitters. They're basically the same as any other out, and advanced statistics has held this for awhile. Whatever advantage is gained by "productive outs" (which are rare anyway), is more than compensated for by the fact that you don't ground into double plays, and you are working the pitcher for better/more pitches. Take a look at Michael Bourn, for instance (as an Indians fan, I've been reading a lot on him). He strikes out a TON, but in all of last season he grounded into a mere two double plays.


This is an on-average thing.  Strikeouts are great for slowass Adam Dunn.  They're bad for Ichiro(well, Ichiro of a few years ago).  Unlike, say, homeruns, there are arguments for and against strikeouts based on the individual hitter.
 
2013-02-18 10:06:49 PM

SpikeStrip: brewers and royals have been stuck in the eighties for quite some time.




I would take the 1980's Royals in a heart beat

/ lifelong Royals fan
// I like what Moore has done.
/// .500 plus this year
 
2013-02-18 10:33:59 PM

bhcompy: lacydog: What_Would_Jimi_Do: eagles95: strikeout kind Corey Hart

he ranked 20th in MLB. Adam Dunn is the king, he had 71 more last year. Hart had 23 more AB's also.

Let's also take the time to point out that strikeouts aren't really bad for hitters. They're basically the same as any other out, and advanced statistics has held this for awhile. Whatever advantage is gained by "productive outs" (which are rare anyway), is more than compensated for by the fact that you don't ground into double plays, and you are working the pitcher for better/more pitches. Take a look at Michael Bourn, for instance (as an Indians fan, I've been reading a lot on him). He strikes out a TON, but in all of last season he grounded into a mere two double plays.

This is an on-average thing.  Strikeouts are great for slowass Adam Dunn.  They're bad for Ichiro(well, Ichiro of a few years ago).  Unlike, say, homeruns, there are arguments for and against strikeouts based on the individual hitter.


I don't know what the fark you guys are talking about. Explain how a high strike-out rate is good again? Avoiding the very rare GIDP? That's lunacy. Strike-outs are bad, for any hitter. It's the only way to get an out without really even having a risk of getting on base. Take Adam Dunn, for example. He struck out 222 times last season. Meanwhile, the leader in GIDP for the entire stretch of 2000-2009 was Miguel Tejada, who had 208 GIDP. Your argument is insane.
 
2013-02-18 10:41:11 PM
Meh, whatever.

Go Brewers.
 
2013-02-18 11:35:23 PM

mrjared: bhcompy: lacydog: What_Would_Jimi_Do: eagles95: strikeout kind Corey Hart

he ranked 20th in MLB. Adam Dunn is the king, he had 71 more last year. Hart had 23 more AB's also.

Let's also take the time to point out that strikeouts aren't really bad for hitters. They're basically the same as any other out, and advanced statistics has held this for awhile. Whatever advantage is gained by "productive outs" (which are rare anyway), is more than compensated for by the fact that you don't ground into double plays, and you are working the pitcher for better/more pitches. Take a look at Michael Bourn, for instance (as an Indians fan, I've been reading a lot on him). He strikes out a TON, but in all of last season he grounded into a mere two double plays.

This is an on-average thing.  Strikeouts are great for slowass Adam Dunn.  They're bad for Ichiro(well, Ichiro of a few years ago).  Unlike, say, homeruns, there are arguments for and against strikeouts based on the individual hitter.

I don't know what the fark you guys are talking about. Explain how a high strike-out rate is good again? Avoiding the very rare GIDP? That's lunacy. Strike-outs are bad, for any hitter. It's the only way to get an out without really even having a risk of getting on base. Take Adam Dunn, for example. He struck out 222 times last season. Meanwhile, the leader in GIDP for the entire stretch of 2000-2009 was Miguel Tejada, who had 208 GIDP. Your argument is insane.


The idea is that a strikeout is, more or less, no worse than any other out.  Double plays are pretty rare, but a lot of thinking is that strikeouts are especially bad, because they look ugly and seem to be complete failures.  If a guy hits well, having a lot of strikeouts as well isn't a problem.
 
2013-02-19 12:04:38 AM

The5thElement: eagles95: The5thElement: Corey Hart's problem is that he's never seen a slider he didn't like.

I enjoy starting my hatred of him early in the season. By June i'm usually burned out and moved on to hating the bullpen. That being said, he will have a 3month stretch where he goes batshiat nuts and kills the ball every game.

Yup. Then he'll balance it out by hitting about .210 the other 3 months.


Could be worse - he could be Geoff Jenkins, who usually hit .500 for one month and .190 the rest of the year.  So many fans liked him;  I thought he was garbaggio.

Hart occasionally gets this hitch in his swing where he overstrides.  When he gets it, he goes cold.  Then he fixes it and all is well again.
 
2013-02-19 12:05:15 AM
I feel bad for Gamel but the Brewers' fortunes weren't really riding on him anyway.
 
2013-02-19 12:12:52 AM

mrjared: I don't know what the fark you guys are talking about. Explain how a high strike-out rate is good again? Avoiding the very rare GIDP? That's lunacy. Strike-outs are bad, for any hitter. It's the only way to get an out without really even having a risk of getting on base. Take Adam Dunn, for example. He struck out 222 times last season. Meanwhile, the leader in GIDP for the entire stretch of 2000-2009 was Miguel Tejada, who had 208 GIDP. Your argument is insane.


You're making a common error. Strike outs are bad, yes, because outs are bad. But if a hitter is going to make an out, a strikeout is only slightly worse than "generic ball-in-play out."

How much worse? Well, there's a few ways to look at that. One of the most exhaustive is by looking at each of the 27 possible "base-out state." So you look at "bases empty, 0 outs", "bases empty, 1 out" all the way up to "bases loaded, 2 out." You can see a rough version of that chart here:

http://www.tangotiger.net/lwtsrobo.html

The columns to look at are the last two. Note that the parentheses indicate "negative runs." So you immediately see that there are some cases where a K is better, others were they are roughly equal, and the rest has BIPouts as being slightly (but generally not significantly) better.

Now, not all base-states are created equal. We're far more likely to see "bases empty 0 outs" than "runner on third, 1 out." So you CAN go through and average all these together, but you end up with numbers so close there's generally no reason to differentiate. I BELIEVE that, on average, a K is about .02 runs worse than a BIPout, but I can't find anything to back that up at the moment.

tl;dr, if all we know about two players is that they have identical OBPs (meaning they create outs at the same rate) and one strikes out significantly more than the other, we'd assume that the high strikeout guy was worth maybe a run or two less than the low K guy.

But, there's a bit more to it. High K players tend to walk a bit more, get slightly fewer hits, but hit more HR. So, given two players with identical OBPs (let's say .350), we'd expect the high K guy to hit more like .275/.350/.450 and the low K guy to hit more like, .290/.350/.430 (obviously, I just pulled those numbers out of nowhere). In that case, the first guy is actually worth more runs than the second, even though we said earlier he was probably like 2 runs worse.

That being said, high K players tend to age "quicker" than low K guys, so you may not want them on a long term contract, especially the older ones. But in general, you don't really need to worry about them.
 
2013-02-19 01:00:48 AM
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2013-02-19 01:05:01 AM

The Bestest: animesucks: not paying prince fielder that ridiculous contract is still a smart move

If the Tigers didn't panic over V-Mart going down, Fielder wouldn't have gotten the contract he did.


I appreciate the Tigers panic it made for a much more interesting October around here.

Eat'm up Tigers.
 
2013-02-19 01:34:40 AM
Brewers gave the right guy the big contract. Too bad he got busted cheating, but that honestly doesn't bother me much. I'd rather have a forever tainted Braun than a rapidly declining Fielder.
 
2013-02-19 07:35:05 AM

The5thElement: Corey Hart's problem is that he's never seen a slider he didn't like.


Lol ain't that the truth ...
 
2013-02-19 11:38:57 AM

DeWayne Mann: mrjared: I don't know what the fark you guys are talking about. Explain how a high strike-out rate is good again? Avoiding the very rare GIDP? That's lunacy. Strike-outs are bad, for any hitter. It's the only way to get an out without really even having a risk of getting on base. Take Adam Dunn, for example. He struck out 222 times last season. Meanwhile, the leader in GIDP for the entire stretch of 2000-2009 was Miguel Tejada, who had 208 GIDP. Your argument is insane.

You're making a common error. Strike outs are bad, yes, because outs are bad. But if a hitter is going to make an out, a strikeout is only slightly worse than "generic ball-in-play out."

How much worse? Well, there's a few ways to look at that. One of the most exhaustive is by looking at each of the 27 possible "base-out state." So you look at "bases empty, 0 outs", "bases empty, 1 out" all the way up to "bases loaded, 2 out." You can see a rough version of that chart here:

http://www.tangotiger.net/lwtsrobo.html

The columns to look at are the last two. Note that the parentheses indicate "negative runs." So you immediately see that there are some cases where a K is better, others were they are roughly equal, and the rest has BIPouts as being slightly (but generally not significantly) better.

Now, not all base-states are created equal. We're far more likely to see "bases empty 0 outs" than "runner on third, 1 out." So you CAN go through and average all these together, but you end up with numbers so close there's generally no reason to differentiate. I BELIEVE that, on average, a K is about .02 runs worse than a BIPout, but I can't find anything to back that up at the moment.

tl;dr, if all we know about two players is that they have identical OBPs (meaning they create outs at the same rate) and one strikes out significantly more than the other, we'd assume that the high strikeout guy was worth maybe a run or two less than the low K guy.

But, there's a bit more to it. High K players t ...


There is a pretty big difference between a K not being significantly worse than a regular out, and a K being good. A K is not good because it is necessarily and out. Putting the ball in play can often lead to an out, but also not. You could get a hit, or some other luck thing could happen and you end up on base. A guy with a high OBP is a guy with a high OBP, sure...but a guy with a high K rate usually has a lower OBP. Regardless, even if the guy with a high K rate has a high OBP, you STILL want him to lower that K rate because it almost always means he'll get on base more.
 
2013-02-19 11:55:34 AM

mrjared: There is a pretty big difference between a K not being significantly worse than a regular out, and a K being good. A K is not good because it is necessarily and out. Putting the ball in play can often lead to an out, but also not. You could get a hit, or some other luck thing could happen and you end up on base. A guy with a high OBP is a guy with a high OBP, sure...but a guy with a high K rate usually has a lower OBP. Regardless, even if the guy with a high K rate has a high OBP, you STILL want him to lower that K rate because it almost always means he'll get on base more.


You're making an assumption with no real basis. There's almost no real correlation between strikeout rate and OBP:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2617

Now, there can be benefits to striking out less in the future, but probably not quite on the level you're thinking:

http://www.tangotiger.net/strikeout.html

All together, though, it's pretty apparent that strikeouts are not a big deal for hitters, at least not until they get older.
 
2013-02-19 02:46:24 PM

DeWayne Mann: mrjared: ***snip***


When will you learn?  If you strikeout a bunch, you aren't getting it done.  If you aren't getting it done, then you should get it done because that's the only way to get it dunn.  Numbers don't matter if you're getting it done, calculator boy.
 
2013-02-19 04:39:30 PM

roc6783: DeWayne Mann: mrjared: ***snip***

When will you learn?  If you strikeout a bunch, you aren't getting it done.  If you aren't getting it done, then you should get it done because that's the only way to get it dunn.  Numbers don't matter if you're getting it done, calculator boy.


Remember kids: if you swing wildly at the first pitch and weakly pop it up with the bases loaded & 2 out, well, AT LEAST YOU TRIED. A for effort.

But if you instead strike out looking on a borderline pitch on a full count, you're basically the baseball version of Hitler.

(By the way, I bring this up a lot, but I LOVE comparing Ichiro, who everyone around here ADORES, and Adam Dunn, who is generally despised. Ichiro's career OBP: .365. Dunn's: .370)
 
2013-02-19 04:45:51 PM

DeWayne Mann: roc6783: DeWayne Mann: mrjared: ***snip***

(By the way, I bring this up a lot, but I LOVE comparing Ichiro, who everyone around here ADORES, and Adam Dunn, who is generally despised. Ichiro's career OBP: .365. Dunn's: .370)


Ya, but Dunn strikes out a lot and so is worse.

//Not sure if you saw it, but my new favorite factoid is that Prince Fielder has more inside the park home runs than Rickey Henderson.
 
2013-02-19 04:57:46 PM

roc6783: DeWayne Mann: roc6783: DeWayne Mann: mrjared: ***snip***

(By the way, I bring this up a lot, but I LOVE comparing Ichiro, who everyone around here ADORES, and Adam Dunn, who is generally despised. Ichiro's career OBP: .365. Dunn's: .370)

Ya, but Dunn strikes out a lot and so is worse.

//Not sure if you saw it, but my new favorite factoid is that Prince Fielder has more inside the park home runs than Rickey Henderson.


Pretty nifty. I was a fan of the various things you could do with David Ortiz and his triples. For instance, there's this article: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/23/david-ortiz-has-managed- a -triple-in-11-straight-seasons/

Too bad he didn't hit one last year.
 
2013-02-19 05:06:05 PM

DeWayne Mann: By the way, I bring this up a lot, but I LOVE comparing Ichiro, who everyone around here ADORES, and Adam Dunn, who is generally despised. Ichiro's career OBP: .365. Dunn's: .370


That's because Ichiro's career OBP is that high because he doesn't strike out.  His BABIP was well above average for many years because of his skillset.  Baseball is entertainment, and Ichiro is/was entertaining because of his style of play.  Dunn...  well, chicks dig the long ball, but he doesn't hit enough of them to make up for the lack of entertainment the rest of the time.
 
2013-02-19 05:11:09 PM

bhcompy: That's because Ichiro's career OBP is that high because he doesn't strike out.


And Dunn's career OBP is higher because he does strike out.

Fun game.

bhcompy: Baseball is entertainment


Man, all this time I was told baseball was about winning....and strictly in terms of hitting, Dunn helps you do that more than Ichiro.
 
2013-02-19 05:11:35 PM

bhcompy: DeWayne Mann: By the way, I bring this up a lot, but I LOVE comparing Ichiro, who everyone around here ADORES, and Adam Dunn, who is generally despised. Ichiro's career OBP: .365. Dunn's: .370

That's because Ichiro's career OBP is that high because he doesn't strike out.  His BABIP was well above average for many years because of his skillset.  Baseball is entertainment, and Ichiro is/was entertaining because of his style of play.  Dunn...  well, chicks dig the long ball, but he doesn't hit enough of them to make up for the lack of entertainment the rest of the time.


So in other words, Ichiro gets it done?
 
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