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(io9)   Artist's vision of Voyager I outliving the death of our sun   (io9.com) divider line 111
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2013-02-19 08:19:11 AM  

Ed Grubermann: Ishkur: KiwDaWabbit: Yeah, it's kind of mind blowing to think about. If humanity doesn't figure out a way to settle another planet, we will go extinct. Of course, I would imagine that there's a pretty high probability of us going extinct a few billion years before the sun starts dying.

Actually, we only have about a billion years. The sun will get larger and hotter, and at that point it will be too hot to support life on Earth, and the oceans and atmosphere will evaporate.

That's plenty of time to develop FTL travel. Or move to Mars.

Or shove a huge fusion ramjet into the atmosphere of Neptune and drag the earth to the outer solar system.


Sounds like a good idea, meatsicle.
 
2013-02-19 10:44:51 AM  

Doc Daneeka: The one constant in the biological universe is change.


Horseshoe crabs didn't get the memo, I guess.
 
2013-02-19 11:04:41 AM  
At first I was having a hard-time getting past the scientific inaccuracy, so the science nerd in me hated this.  Then the canned, generic upbeat music you hear in every "meaningful" video clip these days coupled with the cliched, quick-shot montage near the end got the art dork side of me pissed off.

Very rare when I find something that I can hate on both levels.  If that's what the creator was going for, bravo.  You succeeded beyond expectation.
 
2013-02-19 03:53:49 PM  

dragonchild: Doc Daneeka: The one constant in the biological universe is change.

Horseshoe crabs didn't get the memo, I guess.


THIS. Evolution doesn't just keep happening to a species for shiats and giggles. Once a species like cockroaches or alligators hit on a good survival gimmick, they tend to stick with it and not change that much over millions of years. Humans have hit on the best survival gimmick of them all, and the only selection that we'll likely see is of the artificial kind if genetic engineering ever becomes widespread and acceptable.
 
2013-02-19 05:10:34 PM  

kg2095: tgambitg: Most everything beyond the asteroid belt will survive the death of our sun, barring some odd event that causes out sun to go through the extremely unlikely event of a supernova. The trick is to make sure that we seed ourselves elsewhere to make sure that WE survive. And to reduce resource use here.

Why is it important that we survive?


So far as we know, we're the only part of the universe that's capable of looking at the other parts are appreciate them. Even if there are others, it's an extremely rare thing and our own perspective would remain unique.

Now, perhaps there's no objectively sound reason that I can offer you starting from axiomatic first principles (which isn't surprising given how hard it is to say anything meaningful when you do that), but I would certainly contend that this is a sufficient reason to hope that we'll persist.
 
2013-02-19 05:12:11 PM  

burning_bridge: At first I was having a hard-time getting past the scientific inaccuracy, so the science nerd in me hated this.  Then the canned, generic upbeat music you hear in every "meaningful" video clip these days coupled with the cliched, quick-shot montage near the end got the art dork side of me pissed off.

Very rare when I find something that I can hate on both levels.  If that's what the creator was going for, bravo.  You succeeded beyond expectation.


Given that the author took pains to note that it wasn't supposed to be scientifically accurate, it seems a bit harsh to ding him on that. It's a bit like complaining that zombie movies do a really unrealistic job depicting necropathy.
 
2013-02-19 09:00:29 PM  

KiwDaWabbit: tgambitg: Most everything beyond the asteroid belt will survive the death of our sun, barring some odd event that causes out sun to go through the extremely unlikely event of a supernova. The trick is to make sure that we seed ourselves elsewhere to make sure that WE survive. And to reduce resource use here.

Yeah, it's kind of mind blowing to think about. If humanity doesn't figure out a way to settle another planet, we will go extinct. Of course, I would imagine that there's a pretty high probability of us going extinct a few billion years before the sun starts dying. But, I guess it's fun to think about. Or something.


You know that the universe itself will die, including everything in it, right? There is no such thing as escaping extinction, only postponing it.
 
2013-02-19 11:47:02 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: kg2095: tgambitg: Most everything beyond the asteroid belt will survive the death of our sun, barring some odd event that causes out sun to go through the extremely unlikely event of a supernova. The trick is to make sure that we seed ourselves elsewhere to make sure that WE survive. And to reduce resource use here.

Why is it important that we survive?

So far as we know, we're the only part of the universe that's capable of looking at the other parts are appreciate them. Even if there are others, it's an extremely rare thing and our own perspective would remain unique.

Now, perhaps there's no objectively sound reason that I can offer you starting from axiomatic first principles (which isn't surprising given how hard it is to say anything meaningful when you do that), but I would certainly contend that this is a sufficient reason to hope that we'll persist.


But why is that important?  In the end the whole universe will be cold and dead, so anything that was important will no longer be so.
 
2013-02-20 06:26:35 AM  

LoneWolf343: There is no such thing as escaping extinction, only postponing it.


Yeah but a civilization not bothering to escape the death of its home planet vs. lasting until heat death is a time scale difference equivalent to a newborn that goes on a hunger strike because it decided on day farking one of its life that "there is no such thing as escaping death, only postponing it".  That's giving up a bit on the early side.
 
2013-02-20 10:54:23 AM  

dragonchild: LoneWolf343: There is no such thing as escaping extinction, only postponing it.

Yeah but a civilization not bothering to escape the death of its home planet vs. lasting until heat death is a time scale difference equivalent to a newborn that goes on a hunger strike because it decided on day farking one of its life that "there is no such thing as escaping death, only postponing it".  That's giving up a bit on the early side.


Really? You couldn't possibly anticipate any acceptable middle ground between "live forever" and "kill yourself now?"
 
2013-02-21 01:05:21 AM  
What's important is that we existed, and that we tried to learn.

We have the middle ground, and it's HERE, right NOW.

Let's not waste it by throwing our hands up from a misplaced and erroneous sense of futility.

We, as a species, potentially have billions of years yet ahead of us.

Let's try to live up to that as individuals, despite our comparatively tiny lifespans.
 
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