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2013-02-18 02:43:49 PM
Most everything beyond the asteroid belt will survive the death of our sun, barring some odd event that causes out sun to go through the extremely unlikely event of a supernova. The trick is to make sure that we seed ourselves elsewhere to make sure that WE survive. And to reduce resource use here.
 
2013-02-18 02:48:05 PM
Holy existential crisis, Batman!
 
2013-02-18 02:51:30 PM

tgambitg: Most everything beyond the asteroid belt will survive the death of our sun, barring some odd event that causes out sun to go through the extremely unlikely event of a supernova. The trick is to make sure that we seed ourselves elsewhere to make sure that WE survive. And to reduce resource use here.


Yeah, it's kind of mind blowing to think about. If humanity doesn't figure out a way to settle another planet, we will go extinct. Of course, I would imagine that there's a pretty high probability of us going extinct a few billion years before the sun starts dying. But, I guess it's fun to think about. Or something.
 
2013-02-18 02:51:33 PM
Is Voyager heading  toward the supernova?  HTH did that happen?
 
2013-02-18 02:52:43 PM

Fark In The Duck: Is Voyager heading  toward the supernova?  HTH did that happen?


It got lost.  It was built by men and driven by men.
 
2013-02-18 02:57:28 PM

KiwDaWabbit: tgambitg: Most everything beyond the asteroid belt will survive the death of our sun, barring some odd event that causes out sun to go through the extremely unlikely event of a supernova. The trick is to make sure that we seed ourselves elsewhere to make sure that WE survive. And to reduce resource use here.

Yeah, it's kind of mind blowing to think about. If humanity doesn't figure out a way to settle another planet, we will go extinct. Of course, I would imagine that there's a pretty high probability of us going extinct a few billion years before the sun starts dying. But, I guess it's fun to think about. Or something.


I believe the current thinking is that the Earth will be uninhabitable in about a billion years or so. Plenty of time to do what we've got to do, if it's even possible. It's likely that some other catastrophic event will destroy humanity well before then, though.
 
2013-02-18 02:57:38 PM
Better chance of Voyager I being ripped apart by space debris.
 
2013-02-18 02:58:55 PM
I saw one of the Voyagers get blasted by a Klingon in the 23rd century.

And the Starman guys nabbed another one so they could listen to Kurt Waldhiem DJ a Mozart sonata.

I don't think this artist watches enough SyFy....
 
2013-02-18 02:58:56 PM
That's VGER to you, carbon-based life form.
 
2013-02-18 03:03:59 PM

Fark In The Duck: Is Voyager heading  toward the supernova?  HTH did that happen?



An encounter with a heavier object set Voyager on a very, very, very long elliptical orbit around the Sun?
 
2013-02-18 03:04:21 PM
FTA: From a creative standpoint, Rozema wanted to explore our preconceived perceptions of how the universe appears which are fed to us by existing imagery from sources such NASA or even sci-fi films. By creating a generated universe, Rozema was able to take his own 'camera' to other angles and places within the cosmos.

That's it! The only way to fight National Geographic is with moar National Geographic!
 
2013-02-18 03:04:53 PM

KiwDaWabbit: Yeah, it's kind of mind blowing to think about. If humanity doesn't figure out a way to settle another planet, we will go extinct. Of course, I would imagine that there's a pretty high probability of us going extinct a few billion years before the sun starts dying.


Actually, we only have about a billion years. The sun will get larger and hotter, and at that point it will be too hot to support life on Earth, and the oceans and atmosphere will evaporate.

That's plenty of time to develop FTL travel. Or move to Mars.
 
2013-02-18 03:05:59 PM
If man is still alive
if woman can survive
 
2013-02-18 03:18:17 PM

tgambitg: Most everything beyond the asteroid belt will survive the death of our sun, barring some odd event that causes out sun to go through the extremely unlikely event of a supernova. The trick is to make sure that we seed ourselves elsewhere to make sure that WE survive. And to reduce resource use here.


Why is it important that we survive?
 
2013-02-18 03:19:06 PM
Cochrane, get that warp drive up and running before the Borg figure out how to travel back in time to sabotage your efforts.
 
2013-02-18 03:20:26 PM
Has a front-row seat:

mutantreviewers.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-18 03:27:20 PM

kg2095: tgambitg: Most everything beyond the asteroid belt will survive the death of our sun, barring some odd event that causes out sun to go through the extremely unlikely event of a supernova. The trick is to make sure that we seed ourselves elsewhere to make sure that WE survive. And to reduce resource use here.

Why is it important that we survive?


Well, I....uh....

Hm.
 
2013-02-18 03:36:00 PM

kg2095: tgambitg: Most everything beyond the asteroid belt will survive the death of our sun, barring some odd event that causes out sun to go through the extremely unlikely event of a supernova. The trick is to make sure that we seed ourselves elsewhere to make sure that WE survive. And to reduce resource use here.

Why is it important that we survive?


It isn't.
 
2013-02-18 03:50:13 PM

kg2095: tgambitg: Most everything beyond the asteroid belt will survive the death of our sun, barring some odd event that causes out sun to go through the extremely unlikely event of a supernova. The trick is to make sure that we seed ourselves elsewhere to make sure that WE survive. And to reduce resource use here.

Why is it important that we survive?


Because fark you that's why.

/kidding
 
2013-02-18 03:51:17 PM

bingo the psych-o: Fark In The Duck: Is Voyager heading  toward the supernova?  HTH did that happen?


An encounter with a heavier object set Voyager on a very, very, very long elliptical orbit around the Sun?


That's where Rosie O'Donnell went after they cancelled her show...
 
2013-02-18 04:00:26 PM
I gotta admit I was a little moved by this...
 
2013-02-18 04:02:19 PM

Fark In The Duck: Is Voyager heading  toward the supernova?  HTH did that happen?


It did the Asteroids maneuver.

spyhunter007.com
 
2013-02-18 04:09:44 PM

kg2095: tgambitg: Most everything beyond the asteroid belt will survive the death of our sun, barring some odd event that causes out sun to go through the extremely unlikely event of a supernova. The trick is to make sure that we seed ourselves elsewhere to make sure that WE survive. And to reduce resource use here.

Why is it important that we survive?


Well it's really not important that yousurvive.
 
2013-02-18 04:10:26 PM
I have Fark's new auto format crap.
 
2013-02-18 04:11:06 PM

make me some tea: I believe the current thinking is that the Earth will be uninhabitable in about a billion years or so. Plenty of time to do what we've got to do, if it's even possible. It's likely that some other catastrophic event will destroy humanity well before then, though.


If we haven't died off or fallen into savagery, I think that we will likely be able to move the Earth's orbit to keep it in the goldilock's zone. Strap some engines on some large asteroids and send the, on close flybys over the course of a few thousand years to impart more energy into the Earth's orbit, which will slowly move it out farther out in the gravity well as the Sun expands.
 
2013-02-18 04:13:10 PM

Ishkur: KiwDaWabbit: Yeah, it's kind of mind blowing to think about. If humanity doesn't figure out a way to settle another planet, we will go extinct. Of course, I would imagine that there's a pretty high probability of us going extinct a few billion years before the sun starts dying.

Actually, we only have about a billion years. The sun will get larger and hotter, and at that point it will be too hot to support life on Earth, and the oceans and atmosphere will evaporate.

That's plenty of time to develop FTL travel. Or move to Mars.

Yes, because it will be a big difference to move - celestially speaking - 2 steps back from an exploding sun.
 
2013-02-18 04:18:59 PM

kg2095: tgambitg: Most everything beyond the asteroid belt will survive the death of our sun, barring some odd event that causes out sun to go through the extremely unlikely event of a supernova. The trick is to make sure that we seed ourselves elsewhere to make sure that WE survive. And to reduce resource use here.

Why is it important that we survive?


Is there any particular reason we shouldn't try?
 
2013-02-18 04:19:58 PM
There is one problem with that theory in how long Voyager I will last...

www.daviddarling.info
 
2013-02-18 04:21:35 PM
Let see, NASA predicts at it's current speed of 17km/s it would reach the distance of Proxima Centauri (4.25 ly) in roughly 80,000yrs. Giving that the Sun is expected to blow up in roughly 5 billion years that means that Voyager 1 (baring it being shot up by Klingons) will be apporx 14,700 ly from Earth when the Sun goes so sadly it will barely be visible to Voyager 1 if at all.

On a side now, people talking about how we have plenty of time as a civilization before the Sun consumes the Earth in 5 billion years, but actually our time is much shorter since as the Sun slowly swells the Earth will be uninhabitable in about 1 billion years.
 
2013-02-18 04:28:13 PM

dennysgod: On a side now, people talking about how we have plenty of time as a civilization before the Sun consumes the Earth in 5 billion years, but actually our time is much shorter since as the Sun slowly swells the Earth will be uninhabitable in about 1 billion years.


Oh great, we're f*cked.
 
2013-02-18 04:29:57 PM

shanrick: If man is still alive
if woman can survive


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-EHSOCLbgM
 
2013-02-18 04:30:02 PM

Farkomatic: Yes, because it will be a big difference to move - celestially speaking - 2 steps back from an exploding sun.


The Sun isn't the type of star that really explodes, per se. There's a point when it'll turn into a planetary nebula, but that's a much less violent process than a supernova (though the Earth is still totally screwed).

What I can't help but wonder is what will happen to the gas giants. Jupiter, for example, doesn't have quite enough mass to collapse into a star in its own right, but it's close: might it scoop up enough mass from the nebula to make that transition?
 
2013-02-18 04:38:13 PM

dennysgod: On a side now, people talking about how we have plenty of time as a civilization before the Sun consumes the Earth in 5 billion years, but actually our time is much shorter since as the Sun slowly swells the Earth will be uninhabitable in about 1 billion years.


Not even that long. A fifteen percent increase in solar energy output is enough to make the Earth barren. Estimates as to that range from 100 million to 250 million years.

MORGAN FREEMAN TOLD ME SO.
 
2013-02-18 04:38:33 PM
Mad_Radhu:
If we haven't died off or fallen into savagery, I think that we will likely be able to move the Earth's orbit to keep it in the goldilock's zone. Strap some engines on some large asteroids and send the, on close flybys over the course of a few thousand years to impart more energy into the Earth's orbit, which will slowly move it out farther out in the gravity well as the Sun expands.

You seriously think the barely-evolved monkeys, slaves to our raging limbic systems, will make it to becoming a mid-Type-1 civilization?  We'll be lucky if we make it past Type 0 at all.
 
2013-02-18 04:38:57 PM

Ishkur: KiwDaWabbit: Yeah, it's kind of mind blowing to think about. If humanity doesn't figure out a way to settle another planet, we will go extinct. Of course, I would imagine that there's a pretty high probability of us going extinct a few billion years before the sun starts dying.

Actually, we only have about a billion years. The sun will get larger and hotter, and at that point it will be too hot to support life on Earth, and the oceans and atmosphere will evaporate.

That's plenty of time to develop FTL travel. Or move to Mars.


That only delays the inevitable. Eventually, we'll succumb to the heat death of the universe unless we figure out a way to travel to other universes or create new ones.

Hmmm, that make me wonder if the Big Bang was started to allow another race of very old beings to survive their own universe winding down.
 
2013-02-18 04:49:51 PM
At our current rate, the sun will be uninhabitable in only 100 years!
 
2013-02-18 04:55:08 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: There is one problem with that theory in how long Voyager I will last...

[www.daviddarling.info image 800x357]


I was trying to decide to post that or not since it was actually a Pioneer...
 
2013-02-18 04:56:11 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: There is one problem with that theory in how long Voyager I will last...

[www.daviddarling.info image 800x357]


s12.postimage.org
 
2013-02-18 04:58:41 PM

kg2095: tgambitg: Most everything beyond the asteroid belt will survive the death of our sun, barring some odd event that causes out sun to go through the extremely unlikely event of a supernova. The trick is to make sure that we seed ourselves elsewhere to make sure that WE survive. And to reduce resource use here.

Why is it important that we survive?


Whether it happens in a hundred years or a thousand years or a million years, eventually our Sun will grow cold and go out. When that happens, it won't just take us. It'll take Marilyn Monroe, and Lao-Tzu, and Einstein, and Morobuto, and Buddy Holly, and Aristophanes, and - all of this - all of this - was for nothing. Unless we go to the stars.
 
2013-02-18 05:00:09 PM

tgambitg: Most everything beyond the asteroid belt will survive the death of our sun, barring some odd event that causes out sun to go through the extremely unlikely event of a supernova. The trick is to make sure that we seed ourselves elsewhere to make sure that WE survive. And to reduce resource use here.


Do you think evolution has stopped for us? Are you sure anything remotely resembling humans will be around in 4 billion years? And are you really concerned about this "we", but I'm sure you're against life extension.
 
2013-02-18 05:02:38 PM

Mad_Radhu: Eventually, we'll succumb to the heat death of the universe unless we figure out a way to travel to other universes or create new ones.


Heat death isn't something even a civilization should be worried about.  That's on the scale of trillions of years.

However, it would be sad if we got as far as becoming aware of our place in the universe, only to decline and perish with the rest of life on this planet because we simply didn't make good use of the ample time we had.
 
2013-02-18 05:07:38 PM

Lord Farkwad: DarkSoulNoHope: There is one problem with that theory in how long Voyager I will last...

[www.daviddarling.info image 800x357]

[s12.postimage.org image 600x450]


What episode is that from?
 
2013-02-18 05:08:29 PM
graphics8.nytimes.com
 
2013-02-18 05:09:04 PM

ShadowLAnCeR: Lord Farkwad: DarkSoulNoHope: There is one problem with that theory in how long Voyager I will last...

[www.daviddarling.info image 800x357]

[s12.postimage.org image 600x450]

What episode is that from?


My guess is The Inner Light
 
2013-02-18 05:09:23 PM

Cyno01: DarkSoulNoHope: There is one problem with that theory in how long Voyager I will last...

[www.daviddarling.info image 800x357]

I was trying to decide to post that or not since it was actually a Pioneer...


s9.postimage.org
 
2013-02-18 05:11:40 PM

make me some tea: KiwDaWabbit: tgambitg: Most everything beyond the asteroid belt will survive the death of our sun, barring some odd event that causes out sun to go through the extremely unlikely event of a supernova. The trick is to make sure that we seed ourselves elsewhere to make sure that WE survive. And to reduce resource use here.

Yeah, it's kind of mind blowing to think about. If humanity doesn't figure out a way to settle another planet, we will go extinct. Of course, I would imagine that there's a pretty high probability of us going extinct a few billion years before the sun starts dying. But, I guess it's fun to think about. Or something.

I believe the current thinking is that the Earth will be uninhabitable in about a billion years or so. Plenty of time to do what we've got to do, if it's even possible. It's likely that some other catastrophic event will destroy humanity well before then, though.


My money's on super volcano.
 
2013-02-18 05:12:37 PM

ShadowLAnCeR: Lord Farkwad: DarkSoulNoHope: There is one problem with that theory in how long Voyager I will last...

[www.daviddarling.info image 800x357]

[s12.postimage.org image 600x450]

What episode is that from?




http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_Inner_Light_%28episode%29
 
2013-02-18 05:29:43 PM
by the time the sun goes supernova space Indiana Jones will have saved the voyager from space Nazi's and placed it into a space museum where it belongs.
 
2013-02-18 05:33:44 PM

ArtosRC: dennysgod: On a side now, people talking about how we have plenty of time as a civilization before the Sun consumes the Earth in 5 billion years, but actually our time is much shorter since as the Sun slowly swells the Earth will be uninhabitable in about 1 billion years.

Not even that long. A fifteen percent increase in solar energy output is enough to make the Earth barren. Estimates as to that range from 100 million to 250 million years.

MORGAN FREEMAN TOLD ME SO.


Current best estimates are something like 600 - 700 million years before larger life forms are no longer sustainable due to CO2 being sequestered into the ground because of increased heat from the sun.  That would kill off all the plants. Oddly enough anthropological caused release of CO2 (should we last long enough) would prevent this. Yes I note the irony of the causes of global warming.  Bad now. Good way way later.
 
2013-02-18 05:40:48 PM

dennysgod: Let see, NASA predicts at it's current speed of 17km/s it would reach the distance of Proxima Centauri (4.25 ly) in roughly 80,000yrs. Giving that the Sun is expected to blow up in roughly 5 billion years that means that Voyager 1 (baring it being shot up by Klingons) will be apporx 14,700 ly from Earth when the Sun goes so sadly it will barely be visible to Voyager 1 if at all.

On a side now, people talking about how we have plenty of time as a civilization before the Sun consumes the Earth in 5 billion years, but actually our time is much shorter since as the Sun slowly swells the Earth will be uninhabitable in about 1 billion years.


Your math is way off.

In 5 billion years Voyager 1 will be roughly 250,000 light years away from Earth, well outside the Galaxy.  Assuming it continues at constant velocity all that time.  At 4.25 ly per 80000yr, that's 1ly per ~18823 years.  5,000,000,000 / 18,823 = ~265,632.
 
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