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2013-02-18 03:56:56 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: People still believe that crap?

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Poor black kid from a unstable home grows up to graduate Yale get elected to state congress than federal and then becomes a two term President.

Yeah the dream is dead.

Look!!  A single anecdote that proves anyone from anywhere has an equal chance of achieving anything as everyone else!!


Yes, it demonstrates that it is possible to succeed. You are pathetic if you believe that that is the only success story. Herman Cain laughs at you.
 
2013-02-18 03:57:29 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: People still believe that crap?

12349876: It snowed today, global warming is bunk.

/different set of words, same dumb argument


please believe that! please. and if you have any children that will listen to you teach that to them as well. it's all hopeless don't even think of trying.
 
2013-02-18 03:58:26 PM  

Nadie_AZ: The Pew Research Center has found that some 90 percent of Americans believe that the government should do everything it can to ensure equality of opportunity.

I read this, and I am not sure I can believe it. If it were true, then the GOP would be a far more progressive party than it is. Same with the Dems.


There's not really a disconnect here. Most Americans believe in equality of opportunity. Most Republicans will tell you they don't believe in equality of outcomes and that it's an important distinction. This is, of course, foolish. Most democrats don't believe in equality of outcome, we just don't think that people should starve because they've made mistakes, had bad luck, or acted stupidly. The problem is, many Republicans believe we already do have equality of opportunity, despite the fact we do not. The key is not to deride them as heartless monsters that want the poor to fail, the key is to gently educate them to the fact what they were told about opportunity in America is wrong. This is very hard to do, as I'm sure there's a number of them in this very thread insisting we already have it, and hard work is all it takes, and the poor are poor because they suck, and yada yada yada.
 
2013-02-18 03:59:47 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Lionel Mandrake: People still believe that crap?

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Poor black kid from a unstable home grows up to graduate Yale get elected to state congress than federal and then becomes a two term President.

Yeah the dream is dead.

Look!!  A single anecdote that proves anyone from anywhere has an equal chance of achieving anything as everyone else!!

Yes, it demonstrates that it is possible to succeed. You are pathetic if you believe that that is the only success story. Herman Cain laughs at you.


So why aren't you a millionaire?
 
2013-02-18 04:00:00 PM  
According to from the Brookings Institution, only 58 percent of Americans born into the bottom fifth of income earners move out of that category, and just 6 percent born into the bottom fifth move into the top.

So you're telling me that you studied people from 1947 to 2013 and found that 40% of the people born in poverty and ready to retire today experienced no income mobility whatsoever?  Nice way to lie with statistics.  SOMEONE has to make up that bottom quintile, regardless of where wages, quality of life, life expectancy and advancements in technology have increased dramatically.

How do we explain this? Some of it has to do with persistent discrimination. Latinos and African-Americans still get paid less than whites, and women still get paid less than men, even though they in the number of advanced degrees they obtain. Though gender disparities in the workplace are less than they once were, there is still a: women are sorely underrepresented in top corporate positions and constitute a minuscule fraction of C.E.O.'s.

Could it be that many latinos find themselves on the lower end of the wage scale because a large percentage are first-generation immigrant, are ESOL, or have not had generations of access to public school and higher education systems?  Could it also be that Blacks are one or two generations removed from Southern Democrats forbidding them to go to school?  Doesn't matter that since Brown Vs. Board, Income for blacks has doubled, adjusted for inflation.  The Irish, Italians, Jews, Chinese and Japanese were each at their own time the poorest immigrant groups in the country and among the lowest wage earners and were discriminated against just as much as blacks were.  You dont see any Opinion pieces on the plight of the Irish immigrant anymore.

Where men overtake women is around age 30-35 and on to executive level - the obvious answer being that women voluntarily leave the workforce for a time to raise children and then re-enter the workforce some time later on, usually with 3-10 years less experience than their male counterparts.   In the aggregate, it appears as though 'Men make more than women' but only due to executive-level salaries which tend to drag the curve towards men.  Comparing women and men 18-32 reveals that women are more educated than men and make more - as it seems as though it should be.
 
2013-02-18 04:00:09 PM  

Nadie_AZ: The Pew Research Center has found that some 90 percent of Americans believe that the government should do everything it can to ensure equality of opportunity.

I read this, and I am not sure I can believe it. If it were true, then the GOP would be a far more progressive party than it is. Same with the Dems.


People are all for doing  something about inequality of opportunity, in the abstract.  They're just not in favor of doing anything specific about it.
 
2013-02-18 04:01:14 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Lionel Mandrake: People still believe that crap?
12349876: It snowed today, global warming is bunk.

/different set of words, same dumb argument

please believe that! please. and if you have any children that will listen to you teach that to them as well. it's all hopeless don't even think of trying.


That's not the point.  The point is the hope is a lot less than it used to be.  One person can do it, one person has always been able to do it, but one person's experience has nothing to do with what's going on at the societal level.
 
2013-02-18 04:01:34 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Lionel Mandrake: People still believe that crap?
12349876: It snowed today, global warming is bunk.

/different set of words, same dumb argument

please believe that! please. and if you have any children that will listen to you teach that to them as well. it's all hopeless don't even think of trying.


Wow.  This is how you interpreted what I said?

What a horrible world you must live in.
 
2013-02-18 04:02:21 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Lionel Mandrake: People still believe that crap?

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Poor black kid from a unstable home grows up to graduate Yale get elected to state congress than federal and then becomes a two term President.

Yeah the dream is dead.

Look!!  A single anecdote that proves anyone from anywhere has an equal chance of achieving anything as everyone else!!

Yes, it demonstrates that it is possible to succeed. You are pathetic if you believe that that is the only success story. Herman Cain laughs at you.


I thought you had me on ignore.

Please put me back on.
 
2013-02-18 04:02:48 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: Fact is it is harder to become middle class these days. Graduating from high school and getting a job in a factory isn't the middle class path it once was.


No, but nor does it require a college degree either.  Continuing to insist our kids put themselves into debt pursuing a degree of dubious worth is a measurable disservice.
 
2013-02-18 04:02:50 PM  
Poor people earning over 180,000 bucks a year.
disclaimer: this graphic is from some douche who wants you to think that the black folk on it don't pay taxes.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-18 04:02:50 PM  

MontanaDave: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Poor black kid from a unstable home grows up to graduate Yale get elected to state congress than federal and then becomes a two term President.

Yeah the dream is dead.

Obama attended: Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law School. He taught at the University of Chicago Law School. Yale was not part of his educational background.


i50.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-18 04:04:11 PM  

sheep snorter: Poor people earning over 180,000 bucks a year.
disclaimer: this graphic is from some douche who wants you to think that the black folk on it don't pay taxes.


[i.imgur.com image 614x408]


That graphic is a fascinating view into what Republicans think is a cross-section of modern America.
 
2013-02-18 04:05:27 PM  
I love it when the liberals bring this argument forward.  Any time someone claims this, the immediate response is "La, la, la!" followed by "I can't hear you."  You repeat this until the Democrats have been shamed and acknowledge the error of their ways.  You repeat this until the Democrats realize they have wasted their time trying to argue with you.
 
2013-02-18 04:06:24 PM  

Mike_LowELL: I love it when the liberals bring this argument forward.  Any time someone claims this, the immediate response is "La, la, la!" followed by "I can't hear you."  You repeat this until the Democrats have been shamed and acknowledge the error of their ways.  You repeat this until the Democrats realize they have wasted their time trying to argue with you.


You're a monster, Mike. A MOOOOOONNNSTTTEEERRRRRRRR!
 
2013-02-18 04:07:10 PM  
fta President Obama's second Inaugural Address used soaring language to reaffirm America's commitment to the dream of equality of opportunity

5th grade english is now "soaring"?
 
2013-02-18 04:07:36 PM  

o5iiawah: According to from the Brookings Institution, only 58 percent of Americans born into the bottom fifth of income earners move out of that category, and just 6 percent born into the bottom fifth move into the top.

So you're telling me that you studied people from 1947 to 2013 and found that 40% of the people born in poverty and ready to retire today experienced no income mobility whatsoever?  Nice way to lie with statistics.  SOMEONE has to make up that bottom quintile, regardless of where wages, quality of life, life expectancy and advancements in technology have increased dramatically.


Word. Poor people be rich. I hear they got fridges and everything.
 
2013-02-18 04:08:14 PM  

Notabunny: 5th grade english is now "soaring"?


To our public, yes.

Sad, isn't it?
 
2013-02-18 04:08:56 PM  

Wendy's Chili: Word. Poor people be rich. I hear they got fridges and everything.


So people dont enjoy a remarkably higher standard of living as opposed to what they may have been born into 65 years ago?
 
2013-02-18 04:09:24 PM  

sheep snorter: Poor people earning over 180,000 bucks a year.
disclaimer: this graphic is from some douche who wants you to think that the black folk on it don't pay taxes.


[i.imgur.com image 614x408]


Let's see:
Single parent making $250,000 -- 1.2% more income in taxes
Single person making $230,000 -- 1.2% more
Family making $650,000 -- 3.3% more

Yeah.  Sucks to be them.
 
2013-02-18 04:10:33 PM  
Just to be clear, this is what tenpoundsofcheese and The Stealth Hippopotamus are defending, and I am calling BS:

"We are true to our creed when a little girl born into the bleakest poverty knows that she has the same chance to succeed as anybody else, because she is an American; she is free, and she is equal, not just in the eyes of God but also in our own."~ Barack Obama

I just think it's hilarious that those guys are defending 0bama.

Now, I shall bold the parts I don't agree with:

"We are true to our creed when a little girl born into the bleakest poverty knows that she has the same chance to succeed as anybody else, because she is an American; she is free, and she is equal, not just in the eyes of God but also in our own."

Can
a little girl born into the bleakest poverty become enormously successful?  Hell yes!

Does she have "the same chance" as little Georgie Bush?  F*CK NO.
 
2013-02-18 04:10:57 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Poor black kid from a unstable home grows up to graduate Yale get elected to state congress than federal and then becomes a two term President.

Yeah the dream is dead.


The outlier is not the rule.
 
2013-02-18 04:13:23 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Just to be clear, this is what tenpoundsofcheese and The Stealth Hippopotamus are defending, and I am calling BS:

"We are true to our creed when a little girl born into the bleakest poverty knows that she has the same chance to succeed as anybody else, because she is an American; she is free, and she is equal, not just in the eyes of God but also in our own."~ Barack Obama

I just think it's hilarious that those guys are defending 0bama.

Now, I shall bold the parts I don't agree with:

"We are true to our creed when a little girl born into the bleakest poverty knows that she has the same chance to succeed as anybody else, because she is an American; she is free, and she is equal, not just in the eyes of God but also in our own."

Can a little girl born into the bleakest poverty become enormously successful?  Hell yes!

Does she have "the same chance" as little Georgie Bush?  F*CK NO.


To quothe the profit Rock:

"We're a nation of B and C students. But let's keep it real, a black C student can run no company, a black C student can't run no Burger King, meanwhile the white C student just happens to be The President of The United States of America."
 
2013-02-18 04:13:27 PM  

12349876: That's not the point. The point is the hope is a lot less than it used to be. One person can do it, one person has always been able to do it, but one person's experience has nothing to do with what's going on at the societal level.


That is exactly the point, that is the tip of the point. If we don't believe it it can never be. Have you ever heard of a self fulfilling proficiency?! Yeah I know we have someone on the biggest and loudest soap box in the country telling you you cant do it. I know that. But if there ever was an example of someone beating long odds it's him! (And yes I messed up, it was Harvard Law Review.). You can do it. Your kids can do it. Everyone can do it. You may or may not become the super wealthy but you can improve your station and push your family up the ladder. Maybe you are shooting for more of a change than is realistic? Going from emigrate to midclass is a huge jump but it can be done by one family push one kid into a good school. Now mid class to millionaire is a hard jump. But the sure way not to do it is to be negative and never try.
 
2013-02-18 04:14:15 PM  

o5iiawah: Wendy's Chili: Word. Poor people be rich. I hear they got fridges and everything.

So people dont enjoy a remarkably higher standard of living as opposed to what they may have been born into 65 years ago?


Are you saying that income inequality is only an issue when the lower classes reach a standard of living that was defined over half a century ago?
 
2013-02-18 04:15:02 PM  
FTFA: Today, the United States has less equality of opportunity than almost any other advanced industrial country. Study after study has exposed the myth that America is a land of opportunity....there is near-universal consensus that inequality of opportunity is indefensible. The Pew Research Center (PDF) has found that some 90 percent of Americans believe that the government should do everything it can to ensure equality of opportunity.

i.imgur.com


BUT I WAS COMPLETELY ASSURED BY A RICH FATASS
ELITIST THAT THIS WAS ALL JUST GIVEAWAYS TO THE POOR!!

 
2013-02-18 04:16:03 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: People still believe that crap?



Well ... everyone still wants to believe that crap.

When you give the Obama quote in tfa a more careful reading than subby apparently did -- ""We are true to our creed when a little girl born into the bleakest poverty knows that she has the same chance to succeed as anybody else, because she is an American; she is free, and she is equal, not just in the eyes of God but also in our own" -- the point he's making is that since upward mobility's so difficult these days, we're obviously not being true to our ideals and the challenge is to fix the problem. It's a more diplomatic turn of phrase than "WTF, you stupid Republicans, how can you claim that America's so farking great when your tax cutting and austerity, your cheapskate attitude to funding education from pre-kindergarten on up through post-graduate, are all turning this into a third world country??!?", which would be a satisfying thing to hear from him one of these days...
 
2013-02-18 04:16:30 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: 12349876: That's not the point. The point is the hope is a lot less than it used to be. One person can do it, one person has always been able to do it, but one person's experience has nothing to do with what's going on at the societal level.

That is exactly the point, that is the tip of the point. If we don't believe it it can never be. Have you ever heard of a self fulfilling proficiency?! Yeah I know we have someone on the biggest and loudest soap box in the country telling you you cant do it. I know that. But if there ever was an example of someone beating long odds it's him! (And yes I messed up, it was Harvard Law Review.). You can do it. Your kids can do it. Everyone can do it. You may or may not become the super wealthy but you can improve your station and push your family up the ladder. Maybe you are shooting for more of a change than is realistic? Going from emigrate to midclass is a huge jump but it can be done by one family push one kid into a good school. Now mid class to millionaire is a hard jump. But the sure way not to do it is to be negative and never try.


So we should ignore reality, pretend there are no problems and tell ourselves happy stories rather than trying to improve things?
 
2013-02-18 04:16:59 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: To quothe the profit Rock:

"We're a nation of B and C students. But let's keep it real, a black C student can run no company, a black C student can't run no Burger King, meanwhile the white C student just happens to be The President of The United States of America."


Rock can't no speak English good and yet he is multimillionaire.  Go figure
 
2013-02-18 04:17:13 PM  
According to the criteria set by the author, no president for the last century has remembered or followed their oath.  Yes, including the Republican ones.  Yes, including your beloved Regan.  Where's your anger for them?  Why suddenly have a narrow constitutional-libertarian view now?  What's different about today than the rest of your adult life?

Oh, that's right - you don't like this guy.  Crawl back in a hole, you disingenuous fark.
 
2013-02-18 04:18:18 PM  

Heresiarch: Are you saying that income inequality is only an issue when the lower classes reach a standard of living that was defined over half a century ago?


i.imgur.com

You can have my vacuum tube AM radio when you pry it from my cold, dead, ass-poor Jap-bloodstained hands.
 
2013-02-18 04:19:08 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: To quothe the profit Rock:

"We're a nation of B and C students. But let's keep it real, a black C student can run no company, a black C student can't run no Burger King, meanwhile the white C student just happens to be The President of The United States of America."

Rock can't no speak English good and yet he is multimillionaire.  Go figure


He doesn't speak the King's, but that doesn't diminish the quality or content of what he has to say. That's why he's a millionaire. Your English may be flawless, but believe me, it isn't doing you a damn bit of good.
 
2013-02-18 04:21:27 PM  

Khellendros: According to the criteria set by the author, no president for the last century has remembered or followed their oath.  Yes, including the Republican ones.  Yes, including your beloved Regan.  Where's your anger for them?


Anger for them will do nothing except distract people who can fix the problems.

There is only one person in the White House now who can do something about it.

We learned this from the "Buck Stops There President" whose policies to fix the economy boil down to "Blame Bush", "Oh those meany House GOP members".
 
2013-02-18 04:21:33 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: To quothe the profit Rock:

"We're a nation of B and C students. But let's keep it real, a black C student can run no company, a black C student can't run no Burger King, meanwhile the white C student just happens to be The President of The United States of America."

Rock can't no speak English good and yet he is multimillionaire.  Go figure


So why aren't you a multimillionaire already?
 
2013-02-18 04:25:47 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Does she have "the same chance" as little Georgie Bush? F*CK NO.


does she have the same chance to become President as a Bush? No. You're right about that. But she does have an equal chance of success. There has never been nor will there ever be a society were everyone is completely likely to gain access to the halls of power. But one persons definition of success isn't the same as the other. Not everyone is working become the POTUS.

And if we do fill her head with dreams what's the worst case scenario? She only goes to a good college and not an Ivy League?! She only make the state congress and not the federal?!
 
2013-02-18 04:25:48 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: To quothe the profit Rock:

"We're a nation of B and C students. But let's keep it real, a black C student can run no company, a black C student can't run no Burger King, meanwhile the white C student just happens to be The President of The United States of America."

Rock can't no speak English good and yet he is multimillionaire.  Go figure


Racist
 
2013-02-18 04:25:57 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Rock can't no speak English good


Pricipal . Caught sayof comic that has stoped releventing " See, told ya so" Is Rock millionaire or not. 10lbsofcheese Says yes. NY Times Looking for Horatio Alger -OR- "hello, I am  single to salute Pew Research Center and wait for American Dream again"
 
2013-02-18 04:27:05 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: 12349876: That's not the point. The point is the hope is a lot less than it used to be. One person can do it, one person has always been able to do it, but one person's experience has nothing to do with what's going on at the societal level.

That is exactly the point, that is the tip of the point. If we don't believe it it can never be. Have you ever heard of a self fulfilling proficiency?! Yeah I know we have someone on the biggest and loudest soap box in the country telling you you cant do it. I know that. But if there ever was an example of someone beating long odds it's him! (And yes I messed up, it was Harvard Law Review.). You can do it. Your kids can do it. Everyone can do it. You may or may not become the super wealthy but you can improve your station and push your family up the ladder. Maybe you are shooting for more of a change than is realistic? Going from emigrate to midclass is a huge jump but it can be done by one family push one kid into a good school. Now mid class to millionaire is a hard jump. But the sure way not to do it is to be negative and never try.


Let's take your point as given: that it is currently possible for a single individual to move out of the income level(s) of their parent(s). As you admit in the post above, it's pretty long odds for the President to have come from a working-class background - especially from a society-level perspective. You obviously don't think that those odds constitute a problem. Given all of that, I'd like to pose a question for you.

At what point does it become a problem? If you take the poorest of the poor, and they have less than a 10% shot of being able to get to middle-class, is that a problem? Where would you define the thresholds of probability for inter-generational income mobility such that below those numbers, there might be an issue? Further, how would you go about solving that issue?
 
2013-02-18 04:27:18 PM  
All those Chinese, Latinos, Black people who would have had so much more opportunity in America 100 years ago.

Those poor, poor bastards.
 
2013-02-18 04:27:46 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: tenpoundsofcheese: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: To quothe the profit Rock:

"We're a nation of B and C students. But let's keep it real, a black C student can run no company, a black C student can't run no Burger King, meanwhile the white C student just happens to be The President of The United States of America."

Rock can't no speak English good and yet he is multimillionaire.  Go figure

He doesn't speak the King's, but that doesn't diminish the quality or content of what he has to say.


It does make him a crappy role model.
 
2013-02-18 04:28:44 PM  

Somacandra: tenpoundsofcheese: Rock can't no speak English good

Pricipal . Caught sayof comic that has stoped releventing " See, told ya so" Is Rock millionaire or not. 10lbsofcheese Says yes. NY Times Looking for Horatio Alger -OR- "hello, I am  single to salute Pew Research Center and wait for American Dream again"


Funy!
 
2013-02-18 04:29:00 PM  
If only there were massive government programs aimed at helping poor people and giving them an opportunity to succeed and build a better life. If something like that was put in place a generation ago we would have less disadvantaged now.
 
2013-02-18 04:29:00 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: And if we do fill her head with dreams what's the worst case scenario? She only goes to a good college and not an Ivy League?! She only make the state congress and not the federal?!


i.imgur.com

Hmmm. I think it would depend on which slave plantation your racist pal Rush Limbaugh said she was raised on.
 
2013-02-18 04:29:24 PM  

Somacandra: tenpoundsofcheese: Rock can't no speak English good

Pricipal . Caught sayof comic that has stoped releventing " See, told ya so" Is Rock millionaire or not. 10lbsofcheese Says yes. NY Times Looking for Horatio Alger -OR- "hello, I am  single to salute Pew Research Center and wait for American Dream again"


Well-played, sir.
 
2013-02-18 04:30:57 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Lionel Mandrake: Does she have "the same chance" as little Georgie Bush? F*CK NO.

does she have the same chance to become President as a Bush? No. You're right about that. But she does have an equal chance of success. There has never been nor will there ever be a society were everyone is completely likely to gain access to the halls of power. But one persons definition of success isn't the same as the other. Not everyone is working become the POTUS.

And if we do fill her head with dreams what's the worst case scenario? She only goes to a good college and not an Ivy League?! She only make the state congress and not the federal?!


I'm glad you agree.

Apology accepted.
 
2013-02-18 04:32:00 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Khellendros: According to the criteria set by the author, no president for the last century has remembered or followed their oath.  Yes, including the Republican ones.  Yes, including your beloved Regan.  Where's your anger for them?

Anger for them will do nothing except distract people who can fix the problems.

There is only one person in the White House now who can do something about it.

We learned this from the "Buck Stops There President" whose policies to fix the economy boil down to "Blame Bush", "Oh those meany House GOP members".


No, the policies of this President to fix the major farks up of the last administration has been heavily thwarted by the GOP House Members. Blame for most of our current economic situation lies almost directly on the shoulders of the GOP, Bush the lesser included.

The old "the Democrats haven't fix our fark ups fast enough so vote for us" didn't work in the last November, you should try a new boogieman.
 
2013-02-18 04:32:07 PM  

yelmrog: tenpoundsofcheese: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: To quothe the profit Rock:

"We're a nation of B and C students. But let's keep it real, a black C student can run no company, a black C student can't run no Burger King, meanwhile the white C student just happens to be The President of The United States of America."

Rock can't no speak English good and yet he is multimillionaire.  Go figure

So why aren't you a multimillionaire already?


Well he is most certainly a potatonaire.
 
2013-02-18 04:33:39 PM  

max_pooper: tenpoundsofcheese: Khellendros: According to the criteria set by the author, no president for the last century has remembered or followed their oath.  Yes, including the Republican ones.  Yes, including your beloved Regan.  Where's your anger for them?

Anger for them will do nothing except distract people who can fix the problems.

There is only one person in the White House now who can do something about it.

We learned this from the "Buck Stops There President" whose policies to fix the economy boil down to "Blame Bush", "Oh those meany House GOP members".

No, the policies of this President to fix the major farks up of the last administration has been heavily thwarted by the GOP House Members. Blame for most of our current economic situation lies almost directly on the shoulders of the GOP, Bush the lesser included.

The old "the Democrats haven't fix our fark ups fast enough so vote for us" didn't work in the last November, you should try a new boogieman.


He's apparently convinced himself that Obama is Emperor or something.
 
2013-02-18 04:34:55 PM  

ManRay: If only there were massive government programs aimed at helping poor people and giving them an opportunity to succeed and build a better life. If something like that was put in place a generation ago we would have less disadvantaged now.


In some ways, things indeed were getting better after WWII and the postwar boom into the Great Society era until the 1980's and the economic squander/blowback from the Vietnam War. Not for most black families without any inherited capital to build on, but for some.

i.imgur.com

Then the income differential really hit. You can't expect some compensatory programs to replace the job of actually governing well.
 
2013-02-18 04:35:24 PM  

Somacandra: The Stealth Hippopotamus: And if we do fill her head with dreams what's the worst case scenario? She only goes to a good college and not an Ivy League?! She only make the state congress and not the federal?!

[i.imgur.com image 598x104]


Do you know what Rush was responding to when he said that?

/regardless of the context it was still a stupid thing to say
 
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