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(MSNBC)   California AD says coach Mike Montgomery's two-handed shove of a player during a game is "unacceptable"   (nbcsports.msnbc.com) divider line 19
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2013-02-18 02:06:38 PM
Did we expect her to say that it was farking sweet but he should have thrown a haymaker and put the player in a camel clutch?
 
2013-02-18 02:26:28 PM
the coddled generation, everybody.
 
2013-02-18 02:27:52 PM
I don't watch college sports, but do coaches at the level generally agree that shoving your players is an approved coaching tactic to motivate a player?  Perhaps I should start this with my kid's Babe Ruth baseball team.  Just start shoving them.

$5 says he beats his kids or wife.
 
2013-02-18 02:30:06 PM

SpikeStrip: the coddled generation, everybody.


That would be true if the player was upset at just being yelled at, but all bets are off when you put your hands on someone in anger.

Anymore generalizations you want to throw out while we are at it?
 
2013-02-18 02:36:27 PM
What's that?  The player is a human adult and said it's water under the bridge?  Okay.  Moving on.
 
2013-02-18 02:36:49 PM
because if your a college football player your still a child,

but if your 14 and kill someone your an adult
 
2013-02-18 03:03:05 PM

JolobinSmokin: because if your a college football player your still a child,

but if your 14 and kill someone your an adult


You're (note spelling) an idiot. But you do have a point about age and double standards.
 
2013-02-18 03:07:59 PM

LucklessWonder: JolobinSmokin: because if your a college football player your still a child,

but if your 14 and kill someone your an adult

You're (note spelling) an idiot. But you do have a point about age and double standards.


you're, sorry heil Nazi
 
2013-02-18 03:30:47 PM

DaintySavage: SpikeStrip: the coddled generation, everybody.

That would be true if the player was upset at just being yelled at, but all bets are off when you put your hands on someone in anger.

Anymore generalizations you want to throw out while we are at it?


that was less than a love tap. a lot less than knight and reed. snowflake generation.
 
2013-02-18 03:37:08 PM
That probably wasn't among the top 100 in most violent pushes Crabbe took on the court in the 40 minutes of the game. Yeesh. His teammates got him more. A shove has the intent of knocking someone down or back. That was just to get his attention because he clearly didn't have his head in the game.
 
2013-02-18 03:38:50 PM

SpikeStrip: DaintySavage: SpikeStrip: the coddled generation, everybody.

That would be true if the player was upset at just being yelled at, but all bets are off when you put your hands on someone in anger.

Anymore generalizations you want to throw out while we are at it?

that was less than a love tap. a lot less than knight and reed. snowflake generation.


Want to blame a generation?  Blame parents.  Today's kids are as competitive as ever.
 
2013-02-18 04:00:41 PM
If it were 'unacceptable', the coach would be gone.
 
2013-02-18 04:50:23 PM
shiat happens
 
2013-02-18 05:33:26 PM
Woody Hayes would not be impressed.
 
2013-02-18 05:36:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RQ74cAZT1M

Here's the video...and I think the coach crossed the line for basketball.  There are a million ways he could have lit the kid up without popping him like that.

Trust me...I'm not against lighting kids up, especially college kids...they are old enough to take it, but Montgomery doesn't need to pop him like that.

You get in his face and ask him if he wants to show up, you can push his button and question his manhood, whatever...but pushing him like that is unnecessary.

Of course, it this was football, nobody would have said anything...
 
2013-02-18 05:49:02 PM

Dafatone: SpikeStrip: DaintySavage: SpikeStrip: the coddled generation, everybody.

That would be true if the player was upset at just being yelled at, but all bets are off when you put your hands on someone in anger.

Anymore generalizations you want to throw out while we are at it?

that was less than a love tap. a lot less than knight and reed. snowflake generation.

Want to blame a generation?  Blame parents.  Today's kids are as competitive as ever.


I would 100% wholeheartedly agree.  I coach HS football and the kids haven't changed a bit since I was a HS kid.  They are just as competitive, tough, etc. as we were...you get them on the field, away from their enabling, "I want to be your friend vs. your parent" idiot Moms and Dads and they are fine.

The parents?  OMG, that's a completely different topic.  Sure there were pushy parents who thought their kid was the second coming of Jordan or Montana and they should get all the playing time, etc....you'll always have those disillusioned parents...but when I played, those parents were just annoying and everyone ignored them.  Now those same idiots will petition the school board, hire an attorney and get a good coach fired or at least create tons of drama.

Depending on your AD and how much or little backbone he or she has or doesn't have...is such a big deal to high school coaches these days because of these idiot parents.  Thankfully, I have the greatest High School AD in the world.  He tells the parents that playing time is 100% the job of the coach and as long as I keep him informed, he has my back every time.
 
2013-02-18 05:51:37 PM

Coach_J: Dafatone: SpikeStrip: DaintySavage: SpikeStrip: the coddled generation, everybody.

That would be true if the player was upset at just being yelled at, but all bets are off when you put your hands on someone in anger.

Anymore generalizations you want to throw out while we are at it?

that was less than a love tap. a lot less than knight and reed. snowflake generation.

Want to blame a generation?  Blame parents.  Today's kids are as competitive as ever.

I would 100% wholeheartedly agree.  I coach HS football and the kids haven't changed a bit since I was a HS kid.  They are just as competitive, tough, etc. as we were...you get them on the field, away from their enabling, "I want to be your friend vs. your parent" idiot Moms and Dads and they are fine.

The parents?  OMG, that's a completely different topic.  Sure there were pushy parents who thought their kid was the second coming of Jordan or Montana and they should get all the playing time, etc....you'll always have those disillusioned parents...but when I played, those parents were just annoying and everyone ignored them.  Now those same idiots will petition the school board, hire an attorney and get a good coach fired or at least create tons of drama.

Depending on your AD and how much or little backbone he or she has or doesn't have...is such a big deal to high school coaches these days because of these idiot parents.  Thankfully, I have the greatest High School AD in the world.  He tells the parents that playing time is 100% the job of the coach and as long as I keep him informed, he has my back every time.


Exactly.  I was a kid in the 90s, so right around when the "participation trophy" thing that old tough guys whine about was starting.

In 9 year old rec basketball, we didn't keep score.  But the kids always knew what the score was, and who won or lost.
 
2013-02-18 10:25:58 PM
Bobby Knight makes a game face at this whole episode.
 
2013-02-20 03:04:54 AM
I was actually watching this game and I'm torn on this. Montgomery's statements are contradictory. First he says "his motivation worked;" then (presumably after a condo with the AD) he says his emotions got away from him. Watching the game, it looked like anger. If it was a contrived effort to motivate his star player, it's somewhat acceptable that he pushed, though I think both he and Crabbe were surprised at how hard he pushed him. If it was out of anger or whatever other emotion, it's definitely not ok. It's one thing to push a guy in a celebratory fashion, or as a means of immediate communication as in "go that way." It's an entirely different thing to push someone after a couple blown defensive assignments. As a Cal alum, I hope to see Crabbe back next year.
 
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