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2013-02-18 06:41:00 PM  
10 votes:
www.mentalhealthy.co.uk

America utterly DESTROYED her career, because she DARED say out loud that the Catholic Church was covering up systematic child sex abuse... in 1992.
2013-02-18 03:45:52 PM  
10 votes:
I have as much authority as the Pope.
I just don't have as many people who believe it.
2013-02-18 04:15:02 PM  
4 votes:
I'm sure when JC founded his church on a rock, he envisioned a church with its own country, bureaucracy and court system. Billions of dollars of assets. Gilded everything. Idol worship. And the power to deny naughty people entrance into heaven.
2013-02-18 04:02:24 PM  
3 votes:
Hearing all this guys health problems now, it sounds like he will be dead before they even pick a new pope.
2013-02-18 03:42:17 PM  
3 votes:
Reported by the Inquisitr? I bet he didn't expect that.
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-18 10:06:29 PM  
2 votes:
The church is in and of itself, the problem with the church. And the pope is the front-man for the entire gig.
Their refusal to acknowledge a massively changed world in need of some direction with some real attempt at building bridges and helping each other is what drove me literally out of the pew and into the car.

PsiChick: /It's supposed to mean his word is the Word of God, because apparently we've never heard of anything influencing the human mind before.

^^^THIS^^^
Because there are more versions of the bible then Sybil had personalities. And of course none of them reflect any influence from the people putting the pages together (riiiiight).
2013-02-18 09:24:32 PM  
2 votes:

BrotherMalcolm: I don't suppose it matters that he was canonized (sp?) in 2005 ish. But the cases started to appear in 1983 and on. The real media explosion around 2001-2003. Not a Rat-boy fan, or even Catholic, but I don't get people's hate for him.


Not canonized.  Saints are canonized.  Deacons, Priests and Bishops are ordained.  Cardinals are appointed or installed.  Popes are elected.
2013-02-18 07:56:29 PM  
2 votes:
It amuses me that so many people are arguing over whether or not the Catholic church should be supported because they actively covered up paedophilia in the preisthood and not whether or not the Church should be supported because they believe in a magical undead Jew on a stick who is his own father and will sometimes grant you wishes and take you to a mystical paradise dimension when you die if you telepathically tell him he's really awesome.

Would it be reasonable to expect a rational person to report child abuse to the authorities? Of course it would, but why would you expect reason from a person so irrational that they believe the fantasies of what were essentially the comic book superheroes of ancient peoples?

I mean sure, don't give the Church your money because they hushed up the kid diddling and all, but more importantly don't give the Church your money because when it comes right down to it they're delusional.
2013-02-18 07:38:08 PM  
2 votes:

AndreMA: piltdown: Because he's been involved in protecting molesters since long before he was made Pope.

Wasn't he also a Hitler Youth, although of undetermined enthusiasm? While that might not be a damning blot, it's certainly not a character reference.


At that time and in that country, membership was compulsory for his age.

*shrug*
2013-02-18 07:32:53 PM  
2 votes:

xaks: iheartscotch: Noticeably F.A.T.: iheartscotch: Yes, I'm talking about some things that are long past; but, my point still stands. Saying that supporting the Catholic Church is supporting pedophilia is just as ridiculous as saying that supporting the Democratic Party is supporting slavery.

The difference between the church and your examples is that 1) the church is still actively covering up and protecting pedophiles, 2) there doesn't seem to be much separation of the different parts of the church, meaning it's difficult to just support the non-rapey parts without supporting the whole, and 3) the issues seem to be coming from the leadership down, meaning you can't just jettison the bad guys and still leave the rest of the organization. I mean, we're talking about the friggin' pope here. When it comes to leaders, he's the literal second in command. There's only one step higher you can go, and that guy is notoriously difficult to subpoena.

/To borrow your analogy, how do you only cut off the gangrenous limb if you can't tell the difference between the limb and the body? Or, why stop at one limb if the disease has spread everywhere else? Or, how do you cut off the diseased limb without killing the body when the head is the gangrenous part?

Frankly? It was mostly the work of some of the American bishops. They had the responsibility to inform the police the moment accusations became known. They shuffled the pedo priests from diocese to diocese.

I agree; the upper echelon that actually made the decision not to go to the police are also responsible. But, how much did Benedict know and when did he know it? Did the order come down from JPII or one of his handlers to bury it? Who knew what when? It would damage the church, surely; but, as long as one bishop remained; it wouldn't destroy the organization.

The body responsible for tagging, reporting, disciplining, and moving about pedo priests since the 90s was chaired by Pedopope Bennie. JP2 signed a decree that ALL pedo claims went directly to Bennie, and ONLY to Bennie.

When he conveniently 'passes' or 'retires' or whatever happens, he will conveniently disappear the lions share of the evidence, information, and / or data at all linking the Catholic church as an institution from the baby buggering of the last 30 years, and all who ever had a claim filed (or even just reported and not formally filed).

He's the one man that knows ALL of it, and has been the one man, for decades. When he dies, so does the proof.


Indeed? Or is Benedict really a fall guy? Those records won't just disappear. The Vatican has records dating back over a thousand years; some in its original context. I imagine they are gathering dust on a hard drive/ in a filing cabinet somewhere.

The difficulty is; the Vatican is its own country; completely independent of any other power. Thus, most of its major players would have diplomatic immunity. The Vatican could give them up; but, probably won't. The countries of the world could declare them persona non-grata until they give up the info and the conspirators; but, that probably won't happen either.

/ which makes an elderly, possibly dying former pope the perfect fall guy; thus ridding the church of blame.
2013-02-18 07:32:32 PM  
2 votes:
Just by reading this message, you are an officially ordained Discordian Pope.

You're welcome.

   - MrEricFNORDSir
2013-02-18 05:01:13 PM  
2 votes:

OldManDownDRoad: [www.depa.net.au image 387x600]


Isn't that where the phrase 'turn a blind eye' originated?



"I really can not see the signal"

Adm. Horatio Nelson
2013-02-18 04:52:32 PM  
2 votes:

ha-ha-guy: At one point was supposedly 24/7, but I guess that presented some problems, so now it is only when making rulings or publishing works.


It was never 24/7.  It wasn't even defined as church dogma until the late 1800's.
2013-02-18 03:56:39 PM  
2 votes:
www.depa.net.au
2013-02-18 03:44:46 PM  
2 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: ha-ha-guy: God is not being kind to his chosen mouthpiece.

/I've always wanted a Pope to go out with a heart attack during a major speech or mass

I always hoped for a lightning bolt, myself


a57.foxnews.com
Lightning bolts are too Greek. Yaweh likes his fire and brimstone.
2013-02-18 03:43:33 PM  
2 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: ha-ha-guy: God is not being kind to his chosen mouthpiece.

/I've always wanted a Pope to go out with a heart attack during a major speech or mass

I always hoped for a lightning bolt, myself


For bonus points, the bolt needs to hit about 5 seconds after the Pope says something homophobic.
2013-02-19 12:43:00 AM  
1 votes:

Acharne: I love that when he steps down, he 'loses infallibility'.


In matters of doctrine.

/atheist, but hang with a few papists.
2013-02-18 11:08:45 PM  
1 votes:

MrEricSir: Just by reading this message, you are an officially ordained Discordian Pope.

You're welcome.

   - MrEricFNORDSir


Get your official Papal ID here
2013-02-18 10:13:14 PM  
1 votes:

gja: The church is in and of itself, the problem with the church. And the pope is the front-man for the entire gig.
Their refusal to acknowledge a massively changed world in need of some direction with some real attempt at building bridges and helping each other is what drove me literally out of the pew and into the car.

PsiChick: /It's supposed to mean his word is the Word of God, because apparently we've never heard of anything influencing the human mind before.
^^^THIS^^^
Because there are more versions of the bible then Sybil had personalities. And of course none of them reflect any influence from the people putting the pages together (riiiiight).


Purty sure that's what happened with Paul. I'm religious, so yeah, I'll buy people talking to the Divine, even the Divine going by Yaweh--but HOLY FARK, some of the shiat in that religion, not to mention Paul's rampant asshattery. That, that is what it looks like when something gets lost in translation, even if you're religious.
2013-02-18 09:29:24 PM  
1 votes:
If you keep doing that, you'll go blind.

Told you so.
2013-02-18 08:24:09 PM  
1 votes:
My dream vacation: Vatican City, with a pass-key, a monk's disguise, and a map. During the conclave would be so awesome!
2013-02-18 07:22:53 PM  
1 votes:

ha-ha-guy: Acharne: ha-ha-guy: God is not being kind to his chosen mouthpiece.

/I've always wanted a Pope to go out with a heart attack during a major speech or mass

I love that when he steps down, he 'loses infallibility'. A term I found hilarious ever since John Paul II fell down the stairs and injured himself. "But he's infallible!!"

Hahahaha..... ok... well I think its HILARIOUS.


please don't judge me

Sadly these days the Pope is only infallible when speaking on religious issues and exercising his office.  At one point was supposedly 24/7, but I guess that presented some problems, so now it is only when making rulings or publishing works.


I've heard about this.

What a cop out.
2013-02-18 07:19:02 PM  
1 votes:

BullBearMS: [dl.dropbox.com image 279x279]


Regardless of Ratzinger's proclivities or culpability, that GIF is awesome.
2013-02-18 06:43:53 PM  
1 votes:

epoch_destroi: "Benedict, 85, has had an assortment of health challenges during his time as head of the Catholic Church which resulted for one thing in a secret procedure to install a pacemaker and later a new battery."

WTF!Seriously? I thought only middle school students and GED grads were guilty of this.

Does anybody else find this an incredibly confusingly written sentence?

Benedict, the 85 year old leader of the Catholic church, has been plagued with various health issues which have included the unreported installation of a pacemaker and later, a replacement battery.

Got nothing
2013-02-18 06:42:20 PM  
1 votes:

Noticeably F.A.T.: iheartscotch: Yes, I'm talking about some things that are long past; but, my point still stands. Saying that supporting the Catholic Church is supporting pedophilia is just as ridiculous as saying that supporting the Democratic Party is supporting slavery.

The difference between the church and your examples is that 1) the church is still actively covering up and protecting pedophiles, 2) there doesn't seem to be much separation of the different parts of the church, meaning it's difficult to just support the non-rapey parts without supporting the whole, and 3) the issues seem to be coming from the leadership down, meaning you can't just jettison the bad guys and still leave the rest of the organization. I mean, we're talking about the friggin' pope here. When it comes to leaders, he's the literal second in command. There's only one step higher you can go, and that guy is notoriously difficult to subpoena.

/To borrow your analogy, how do you only cut off the gangrenous limb if you can't tell the difference between the limb and the body? Or, why stop at one limb if the disease has spread everywhere else? Or, how do you cut off the diseased limb without killing the body when the head is the gangrenous part?


Frankly? It was mostly the work of some of the American bishops. They had the responsibility to inform the police the moment accusations became known. They shuffled the pedo priests from diocese to diocese.

I agree; the upper echelon that actually made the decision not to go to the police are also responsible. But, how much did Benedict know and when did he know it? Did the order come down from JPII or one of his handlers to bury it? Who knew what when? It would damage the church, surely; but, as long as one bishop remained; it wouldn't destroy the organization.
2013-02-18 06:28:42 PM  
1 votes:

Jument: I wondering why God didn't power his pacemaker. Or his heart, for that matter. Surely if you need a pacemaker, that's God's way of telling you that you're supposed to die? I hate religion. It's all just such a crock of shiat.


The funny thing is the technology for a pacemaker is okay. But the technology for birth control is not.

How is the line drawn I wonder?

My impression is the rule of thumb is that if rich, lazy old white guys benefit from it, there is nothing against it in the Bible. If women, poor people, young people, or non-white people benefit from it, there will be a way of reading some line somewhere in the Bible that will be against it, if you sort of squint and reinvent the meaning of all the words involved in the phrase while taking it complete out of context
2013-02-18 06:27:03 PM  
1 votes:

iheartscotch: When criticizing someone for grammar; it might be best to spell your criticism without using numbers in the place of words.

/ just sayin


It wasn't a grammar critique, and it wasn't really spelling - I was performing an avant-garde mockery of your logical deficiencies disguised as a spelling check disguised as a spelling fail disguised as twitterspeak. I understand if it was too much for you.
2013-02-18 06:25:45 PM  
1 votes:
dl.dropbox.com
2013-02-18 06:05:14 PM  
1 votes:
If you give me $1,000,000,000, I too can feed a lot of people for, say, $500,000,000.  Deal?
2013-02-18 06:01:20 PM  
1 votes:

JFC: Incarcerate the half-blind child-rapist protecting farker.


him and his entire band of molesting and molester protector ilk worldwide.
2013-02-18 06:00:48 PM  
1 votes:

piltdown: Because he's been involved in protecting molesters since long before he was made Pope.


Wasn't he also a Hitler Youth, although of undetermined enthusiasm? While that might not be a damning blot, it's certainly not a character reference.
2013-02-18 05:44:24 PM  
1 votes:

Inflatable Rhetoric: iheartscotch: Inflatable Rhetoric: iheartscotch: vudukungfu: Inflatable Rhetoric: If you give the church a cent, you're saying child rape is OK with you.
Put them out of business, and in prison.

agreed

With that logic; you shouldn't buy anything from Germany, Japan, Russia or China. Because of past atrocities.

With that logic; you shouldn't support the Democratic Party. Because of slavery.

/ That would be absolutely silly.

No, it wouldn't, and your analogy is weak.

How so?

For many years the Germans refused to acknolage the second world war. Many, to this day, skate over the actions of the Japanise towards the Chinese. The Russians have never made public the numbers that Stalin's purges cost them. And china refuses to acknolage that they are a human rights violator. The Democratic Party is the party that succeeded.

As organizations/countries; are they somehow less responsible for their actions than the catholic church?

Yes, I'm talking about some things that are long past; but, my point still stands. Saying that supporting the Catholic Church is supporting pedophilia is just as ridiculous as saying that supporting the Democratic Party is supporting slavery.

/ if a limb is gangrenous; do you cut off the whole body?

The church claims some special relationship with god, that makes it different.  The standards are higher, as they should be.  The whole body might not be corrupt, but the head is, so cut that off.

All the church claims to provide as its "product" is ludicrous.  They can't prove any connection with any god, or any reason to believe that they've gotten anyone into heaven.  They are useless and should be disbanded.  Taxing them would be a start.


I agree; the church should hold itself to a higher standard. I agree that the actions of some of the leaders of the church are despicable. I agree that they, probably, should be taxed.

However..

Should the many be sentenced for the crimes of the few? Can you prove that they don't have the ear of some great invisible sky wizard? I would say that the church does provide a service. They feed the starving, they cloth the naked and they give the elderly a hope for eternity. Should an organization that has survived for 2000 years, done innumerable acts of kindness, and inspired the greatest artists ever; be disbanded for the acts of a few?

/ I'm not saying some in the church don't deserve punishment; far from it.
2013-02-18 05:33:37 PM  
1 votes:

iheartscotch: i don't know past/present


lrn2dictionary
2013-02-18 05:28:05 PM  
1 votes:

iheartscotch: Inflatable Rhetoric: iheartscotch: vudukungfu: Inflatable Rhetoric: If you give the church a cent, you're saying child rape is OK with you.
Put them out of business, and in prison.

agreed

With that logic; you shouldn't buy anything from Germany, Japan, Russia or China. Because of past atrocities.

With that logic; you shouldn't support the Democratic Party. Because of slavery.

/ That would be absolutely silly.

No, it wouldn't, and your analogy is weak.

How so?

For many years the Germans refused to acknolage the second world war. Many, to this day, skate over the actions of the Japanise towards the Chinese. The Russians have never made public the numbers that Stalin's purges cost them. And china refuses to acknolage that they are a human rights violator. The Democratic Party is the party that succeeded.

As organizations/countries; are they somehow less responsible for their actions than the catholic church?

Yes, I'm talking about some things that are long past; but, my point still stands. Saying that supporting the Catholic Church is supporting pedophilia is just as ridiculous as saying that supporting the Democratic Party is supporting slavery.

/ if a limb is gangrenous; do you cut off the whole body?


The church claims some special relationship with god, that makes it different.  The standards are higher, as they should be.  The whole body might not be corrupt, but the head is, so cut that off.

All the church claims to provide as its "product" is ludicrous.  They can't prove any connection with any god, or any reason to believe that they've gotten anyone into heaven.  They are useless and should be disbanded.  Taxing them would be a start.
2013-02-18 05:26:14 PM  
1 votes:

iheartscotch: acknolage


That spelling is an atrocity against the human race.
2013-02-18 05:22:06 PM  
1 votes:

Acharne: ha-ha-guy: God is not being kind to his chosen mouthpiece.

/I've always wanted a Pope to go out with a heart attack during a major speech or mass

I love that when he steps down, he 'loses infallibility'. A term I found hilarious ever since John Paul II fell down the stairs and injured himself. "But he's infallible!!"

Hahahaha..... ok... well I think its HILARIOUS.


please don't judge me


Papal infallibility has only been invoked a couple of times: That Mary was born without original sin and that she was assumed into heaven. Neither of these appear in the Bible, but Catholic tradition over the millennia gave them the force of doctrine which Popes later articulated. Nobody thinks the Pope is right all the time, but when one makes a specific ex cathedra statement (basically the Pope has to say, "this is an infallible position"), Catholics must accept it.
2013-02-18 05:01:37 PM  
1 votes:
I sorta hope there's a God, and he looks something like this:

www.alicia-logic.com

And he waits at the Heavenly Gates with a few surprises for the newly-arrived.

Muslim suicide bomber: "Where's my 72 virgins?"

Supreme Being: "You were sadly misinformed. However, given your interest in sex, we do have a nice position open in a barrel on board the Flying Dutchman. And we do have some pork fat to help you get accustomed to things."

Former Pope: "Hey, what happened to all my jewels and robes?"

Supreme Being: "Silly man. Did you not see that bit in The Book about taking care of the poor? However, I do have a spot open in the Pearly Gates McDonalds, where you can try to make your rent in the Hereafter. Blow it just once, and off to the fiery pit you go."
2013-02-18 04:45:56 PM  
1 votes:
Well, his mother did warn him.
2013-02-18 04:38:39 PM  
1 votes:

epoch_destroi: "Benedict, 85, has had an assortment of health challenges during his time as head of the Catholic Church which resulted for one thing in a secret procedure to install a pacemaker and later a new battery."

Does anybody else find this an incredibly confusingly written sentence?


Journalism is dead, as near as I can tell.

I wondering why God didn't power his pacemaker. Or his heart, for that matter. Surely if you need a pacemaker, that's God's way of telling you that you're supposed to die? I hate religion. It's all just such a crock of shiat.
2013-02-18 04:12:55 PM  
1 votes:

ha-ha-guy: Acharne: ha-ha-guy: God is not being kind to his chosen mouthpiece.

/I've always wanted a Pope to go out with a heart attack during a major speech or mass

I love that when he steps down, he 'loses infallibility'. A term I found hilarious ever since John Paul II fell down the stairs and injured himself. "But he's infallible!!"

Hahahaha..... ok... well I think its HILARIOUS.


please don't judge me

Sadly these days the Pope is only infallible when speaking on religious issues and exercising his office.  At one point was supposedly 24/7, but I guess that presented some problems, so now it is only when making rulings or publishing works.


Actually, the Pope is not considered infallible even when speaking on religious issues.  Only certain special statements of dogma are considered infallible.  Benedict has not issued any such statements during his time as Pope.
2013-02-18 03:58:05 PM  
1 votes:
Eh, his body is checking out. He might as well too. That must've been the thinking behind his decision to quit.
2013-02-18 03:41:23 PM  
1 votes:
God is not being kind to his chosen mouthpiece.

/I've always wanted a Pope to go out with a heart attack during a major speech or mass
2013-02-18 03:33:43 PM  
1 votes:
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

RIP
2013-02-18 02:58:32 PM  
1 votes:
You misspelled "brown", Subby.
 
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