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2013-02-18 09:59:15 PM  

PsiChick: ...pass that shiat on over.


*Cough*..... *HACK*......"ok....here....."
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-18 10:06:29 PM  
The church is in and of itself, the problem with the church. And the pope is the front-man for the entire gig.
Their refusal to acknowledge a massively changed world in need of some direction with some real attempt at building bridges and helping each other is what drove me literally out of the pew and into the car.

PsiChick: /It's supposed to mean his word is the Word of God, because apparently we've never heard of anything influencing the human mind before.

^^^THIS^^^
Because there are more versions of the bible then Sybil had personalities. And of course none of them reflect any influence from the people putting the pages together (riiiiight).
 
2013-02-18 10:13:14 PM  

gja: The church is in and of itself, the problem with the church. And the pope is the front-man for the entire gig.
Their refusal to acknowledge a massively changed world in need of some direction with some real attempt at building bridges and helping each other is what drove me literally out of the pew and into the car.

PsiChick: /It's supposed to mean his word is the Word of God, because apparently we've never heard of anything influencing the human mind before.
^^^THIS^^^
Because there are more versions of the bible then Sybil had personalities. And of course none of them reflect any influence from the people putting the pages together (riiiiight).


Purty sure that's what happened with Paul. I'm religious, so yeah, I'll buy people talking to the Divine, even the Divine going by Yaweh--but HOLY FARK, some of the shiat in that religion, not to mention Paul's rampant asshattery. That, that is what it looks like when something gets lost in translation, even if you're religious.
 
2013-02-18 10:15:32 PM  
He was kind'a shy, on account of his bad eye, but a real nice guy was he.
 
2013-02-18 10:59:37 PM  
I heard he quit because he was seeing people on the side.
 
2013-02-18 11:08:45 PM  

MrEricSir: Just by reading this message, you are an officially ordained Discordian Pope.

You're welcome.

   - MrEricFNORDSir


Get your official Papal ID here
 
2013-02-18 11:31:48 PM  

iheartscotch: xaks: iheartscotch: Noticeably F.A.T.: iheartscotch: Yes, I'm talking about some things that are long past; but, my point still stands. Saying that supporting the Catholic Church is supporting pedophilia is just as ridiculous as saying that supporting the Democratic Party is supporting slavery.

The difference between the church and your examples is that 1) the church is still actively covering up and protecting pedophiles, 2) there doesn't seem to be much separation of the different parts of the church, meaning it's difficult to just support the non-rapey parts without supporting the whole, and 3) the issues seem to be coming from the leadership down, meaning you can't just jettison the bad guys and still leave the rest of the organization. I mean, we're talking about the friggin' pope here. When it comes to leaders, he's the literal second in command. There's only one step higher you can go, and that guy is notoriously difficult to subpoena.

/To borrow your analogy, how do you only cut off the gangrenous limb if you can't tell the difference between the limb and the body? Or, why stop at one limb if the disease has spread everywhere else? Or, how do you cut off the diseased limb without killing the body when the head is the gangrenous part?

Frankly? It was mostly the work of some of the American bishops. They had the responsibility to inform the police the moment accusations became known. They shuffled the pedo priests from diocese to diocese.

I agree; the upper echelon that actually made the decision not to go to the police are also responsible. But, how much did Benedict know and when did he know it? Did the order come down from JPII or one of his handlers to bury it? Who knew what when? It would damage the church, surely; but, as long as one bishop remained; it wouldn't destroy the organization.

The body responsible for tagging, reporting, disciplining, and moving about pedo priests since the 90s was chaired by Pedopope Bennie. JP2 signed a decree that ALL ...


Six months or a year from now, when the newsies are talking about the 'mysterious fire' that destroyed the physical records, or the 'freak earthquake' that levelled a storage bunker, or the "legal action preventing them from disclosing"....

Remember I called it here.

The Catholics you're talking about have been at it for 2000 years. If you don't think they have this kind of shiat planned out ahead of time...
 
2013-02-19 12:43:00 AM  

Acharne: I love that when he steps down, he 'loses infallibility'.


In matters of doctrine.

/atheist, but hang with a few papists.
 
2013-02-19 12:57:26 AM  

SpikeStrip: "you must be this swarthy to be pope or his constituents"

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Wait, the guy in the foreground...is that Agent Coulson?
 
2013-02-19 01:26:57 AM  
As much as I've known that the King of Thailand has been king since 1946, I've recently found out that he too has been blind in one eye all these years due to a car accident in his youth.
 
2013-02-19 01:29:56 AM  

xaks: Six months or a year from now, when the newsies are talking about the 'mysterious fire' that destroyed the physical records, or the 'freak earthquake' that levelled a storage bunker, or the "legal action preventing them from disclosing"....

Remember I called it here.

The Catholics you're talking about have been at it for 2000 years. If you don't think they have this kind of shiat planned out ahead of time...


Wow, you've hit new levels of paranoia, my friend. If there's anything the Vatican does, it's keep records. They've still got multiple copies of every torture the Inquisition inflicted, and an accurate record of every Jew they burned; I really don't think they're going to mysteriously vanish anything they've got about this particular scandal. They've been weathering scandals a lot bigger and worse than this one--the Avignon papacy was, for the time, more of a scandal than kiddie-diddling priests will ever be--and survived the Protestant reformation and the Great Schism.

Why? Because nobody can go willy-nilly into the Vatican archives and go rummaging around for details. The Vatican is a sovereign nation with its own laws, and they don't have to give anyone access who they don't want to have access. What's going to happen is they're going to say "Molestation? What molestation?" and the rest of us are going to have to like it, or declare war on the Holy See.
 
2013-02-19 01:40:52 AM  
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2013-02-19 02:14:16 AM  

Gyrfalcon: xaks: Six months or a year from now, when the newsies are talking about the 'mysterious fire' that destroyed the physical records, or the 'freak earthquake' that levelled a storage bunker, or the "legal action preventing them from disclosing"....

Remember I called it here.

The Catholics you're talking about have been at it for 2000 years. If you don't think they have this kind of shiat planned out ahead of time...

Wow, you've hit new levels of paranoia, my friend. If there's anything the Vatican does, it's keep records. They've still got multiple copies of every torture the Inquisition inflicted, and an accurate record of every Jew they burned; I really don't think they're going to mysteriously vanish anything they've got about this particular scandal. They've been weathering scandals a lot bigger and worse than this one--the Avignon papacy was, for the time, more of a scandal than kiddie-diddling priests will ever be--and survived the Protestant reformation and the Great Schism.

Why? Because nobody can go willy-nilly into the Vatican archives and go rummaging around for details. The Vatican is a sovereign nation with its own laws, and they don't have to give anyone access who they don't want to have access. What's going to happen is they're going to say "Molestation? What molestation?" and the rest of us are going to have to like it, or declare war on the Holy See.


Expect to see the records on this opened up in, oh, about the year 2500 or so, when it's a distant historical curiosity.
 
2013-02-19 02:57:48 AM  

iheartscotch: Noticeably F.A.T.: iheartscotch: Yes, I'm talking about some things that are long past; but, my point still stands. Saying that supporting the Catholic Church is supporting pedophilia is just as ridiculous as saying that supporting the Democratic Party is supporting slavery.

The difference between the church and your examples is that 1) the church is still actively covering up and protecting pedophiles, 2) there doesn't seem to be much separation of the different parts of the church, meaning it's difficult to just support the non-rapey parts without supporting the whole, and 3) the issues seem to be coming from the leadership down, meaning you can't just jettison the bad guys and still leave the rest of the organization. I mean, we're talking about the friggin' pope here. When it comes to leaders, he's the literal second in command. There's only one step higher you can go, and that guy is notoriously difficult to subpoena.

/To borrow your analogy, how do you only cut off the gangrenous limb if you can't tell the difference between the limb and the body? Or, why stop at one limb if the disease has spread everywhere else? Or, how do you cut off the diseased limb without killing the body when the head is the gangrenous part?

Frankly? It was mostly the work of some of the American bishops. They had the responsibility to inform the police the moment accusations became known. They shuffled the pedo priests from diocese to diocese.

I agree; the upper echelon that actually made the decision not to go to the police are also responsible. But, how much did Benedict know and when did he know it? Did the order come down from JPII or one of his handlers to bury it? Who knew what when? It would damage the church, surely; but, as long as one bishop remained; it wouldn't destroy the organization.


Wrong. Irish schools were also to blame. In fact as far as I can tell every religious boarding school from before a couple decades ago have been show to have been centers of child abuse, particularly sexual abuse. It isn't just the Catholics. Look at the stories from the Indian boarding schools in the US, almost all of them run by various denominations. Some of them the rates of abuse were estimated at 75% and that's just the sexual abuse.

The difference is that those schools were shut down years ago, and the Catholic priests were still abusing when the stories started coming to light. My understanding is that the Irish schools, for example, were shuttered before official allegations were made by victims.
 
2013-02-19 05:30:25 AM  

BolloxReader: The difference is that those schools were shut down years ago


// went to anglican boarding school (Dilworth, Auckland New Zealand), and that one is STILL running
/ our priest was still working there 20 years after I escaped from that shiathole it was my unfulfilled dream to kill that man
 
2013-02-19 06:43:02 AM  

iheartscotch: vudukungfu: Inflatable Rhetoric: If you give the church a cent, you're saying child rape is OK with you.
Put them out of business, and in prison.

agreed

With that logic; you shouldn't buy anything from Germany, Japan, Russia or China. Because of past atrocities.

With that logic; you shouldn't support the Democratic Party. Because of slavery.

/ That would be absolutely silly.


Um, you seem to be having trouble with the difference between "past" and "ongoing coverup of current".
 
2013-02-19 06:49:49 AM  

Lsherm: BrotherMalcolm: I don't suppose it matters that he was canonized (sp?) in 2005 ish. But the cases started to appear in 1983 and on. The real media explosion around 2001-2003. Not a Rat-boy fan, or even Catholic, but I don't get people's hate for him.

Not canonized.  Saints are canonized.  Deacons, Priests and Bishops are ordained.  Cardinals are appointed or installed.  Popes are elected.


I've heard the word 'installed' used for a pope, too.
Makes me think it's like installing a dishwasher, you know, hooking up the electrical and plumbing, and bolting him to the cabinetry.
 
2013-02-19 06:51:03 AM  

iheartscotch: Inflatable Rhetoric: iheartscotch: vudukungfu: Inflatable Rhetoric: If you give the church a cent, you're saying child rape is OK with you.
Put them out of business, and in prison.

agreed

With that logic; you shouldn't buy anything from Germany, Japan, Russia or China. Because of past atrocities.

With that logic; you shouldn't support the Democratic Party. Because of slavery.

/ That would be absolutely silly.

No, it wouldn't, and your analogy is weak.

How so?

For many years the Germans refused to acknolage the second world war. Many, to this day, skate over the actions of the Japanise towards the Chinese. The Russians have never made public the numbers that Stalin's purges cost them. And china refuses to acknolage that they are a human rights violator. The Democratic Party is the party that succeeded.

As organizations/countries; are they somehow less responsible for their actions than the catholic church?

Yes, I'm talking about some things that are long past; but, my point still stands. Saying that supporting the Catholic Church is supporting pedophilia is just as ridiculous as saying that supporting the Democratic Party is supporting slavery.

/ if a limb is gangrenous; do you cut off the whole body?


Your points, in order, are:  True but irrelevant, true, but ignore official apologies, and false.  Go read Bloodlands; it relies on newly-opened Soviet-era archives, among other things.

Your point about China IS correct...an ethical person should try to avoid doing business with China AND the Vatican.

Your point about the Democrats is about 130 years out of date, but I'll give you a C for effort.

You're missing the point that by extending current diplomatic immunity, the Vatican is continuing the criminal child abuse problem, and directly rewarding the perpetrators and those who abetted them.
 
2013-02-19 06:54:52 AM  

Lsherm: ha-ha-guy: At one point was supposedly 24/7, but I guess that presented some problems, so now it is only when making rulings or publishing works.

It was never 24/7.  It wasn't even defined as church dogma until the late 1800's.


Yes, but they used terms that had been around for hundreds of years:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility#Dogmatic_definition _o f_1870

Not like this was some new-fangled modern idea.
 
2013-02-19 06:59:11 AM  

BrotherMalcolm: I don't suppose it matters that he was canonized (sp?) in 2005 ish. But the cases started to appear in 1983 and on. The real media explosion around 2001-2003. Not a Rat-boy fan, or even Catholic, but I don't get people's hate for him.


I think people have an inherent dislike for hypocrites...I know I do.

Don't set yourself up as a moral arbiter, and then shelter pedophiles and their enablers.

Personally, I've been appalled by the Vatican since they pinned a gold medal on Krupp for 'service to humanity'...after his slave labor conviction at Nuremburg.

You screw one goat...
 
2013-02-19 07:36:28 AM  
Hearing aids? Blind in one eye?

THAT'S why he's stepping down! He's going out on the professional pinball circuit!
 
2013-02-19 09:51:00 AM  
Religion = Superstition + $$$$$

All you need to know about that.
 
2013-02-19 01:26:57 PM  
Inflatable Rhetoric: Catholic Religion = Superstition + $$$$$ + pedophilia

All you need to know about that.

FTFY
 
2013-02-21 02:49:27 PM  

iheartscotch: vudukungfu: Inflatable Rhetoric: If you give the church a cent, you're saying child rape is OK with you.
Put them out of business, and in prison.

agreed

With that logic; you shouldn't buy anything from Germany, Japan, Russia or China. Because of past atrocities.

With that logic; you shouldn't support the Democratic Party. Because of slavery.


If the people responsible for those atrocities were still in charge, damn right it'd be logical.
 
2013-02-21 10:23:45 PM  

PunGent: Lsherm: ha-ha-guy: At one point was supposedly 24/7, but I guess that presented some problems, so now it is only when making rulings or publishing works.

It was never 24/7.  It wasn't even defined as church dogma until the late 1800's.

Yes, but they used terms that had been around for hundreds of years:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility#Dogmatic_definition _o f_1870

Not like this was some new-fangled modern idea.


But it wasn't ever meant to be 24/7, as in the Pope would never make a mistake.  There are less than ten instances of what scholars consider infallibility and only two that meet the official definition.

It never meant the Pope couldn't make a mistake, which is what idiots, Southern Baptists, and militant fark atheists keep trying to peddle in an attempt to further their own cause.
 
2013-02-21 10:28:35 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Lsherm: BrotherMalcolm: I don't suppose it matters that he was canonized (sp?) in 2005 ish. But the cases started to appear in 1983 and on. The real media explosion around 2001-2003. Not a Rat-boy fan, or even Catholic, but I don't get people's hate for him.

Not canonized.  Saints are canonized.  Deacons, Priests and Bishops are ordained.  Cardinals are appointed or installed.  Popes are elected.

I've heard the word 'installed' used for a pope, too.
Makes me think it's like installing a dishwasher, you know, hooking up the electrical and plumbing, and bolting him to the cabinetry.


The Pope gets installed after he is elected.  Cardinals are not necessarily voted on, so they are usually referred to as "installed."  There are offices that Cardinals have to be elected to, and they are installed into those as well.

Ordination is the last sacrament, installation or appointment is paperwork.
 
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