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2013-02-18 02:26:42 PM
I would like to know more.
 
2013-02-18 02:44:56 PM
The only good bug is a dead bug.
 
2013-02-18 03:00:42 PM
Is that a Kardashian?
 
2013-02-18 03:06:14 PM

Joelogon: I would like to know more.


Yeah, Subby missed an opportunity.  (Or a mod altered the headline).
 
2013-02-18 03:06:37 PM
It's an ugly planet. A BUG planet! A planet hostile to life-
 
2013-02-18 03:06:41 PM
Global warming?
 
2013-02-18 03:07:39 PM

Joelogon: I would like to know more.


Done in one.
 
2013-02-18 03:07:57 PM

Ed Finnerty: Is that a Kardashian?


No, this is:

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-02-18 03:08:00 PM
KLAATU... BARATA...  NNNN... necktie? nectarine?

something with an "n", I know it...
 
2013-02-18 03:11:40 PM
Just remember to send the battleships at the enemy in a really close formation, so one enemy hit will cripple several ships. Also, don't worry about ammo, it's unlimited. Shoot each bug hundreds of times at least, even after it's been blown to bits.

Now all we need is beer, a football, and an electric violin.
 
2013-02-18 03:13:00 PM
I've been saying that maybe these are meteors knocked to Earth by the big one. Things the size of baseballs and Volvos.
 
2013-02-18 03:13:18 PM
Do you apes want to live forever?
 
2013-02-18 03:13:29 PM
Frankly, I find the idea of a bug that thinks offensive!
 
2013-02-18 03:13:37 PM
images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-02-18 03:13:50 PM
We can ill afford another Klendathu...
 
2013-02-18 03:16:44 PM
I'm from Buenos Aires, and I say kill 'em all!
 
2013-02-18 03:18:33 PM
We must meet this threat with our courage, our valor, indeed with our very lives to ensure that human civilization, not insect, dominates this galaxy *now and always*!
 
2013-02-18 03:18:53 PM

Lord Snoopy's G.P.E.H.: Just remember to send the battleships at the enemy in a really close formation, so one enemy hit will cripple several ships. Also, don't worry about ammo, it's unlimited. Shoot each bug hundreds of times at least, even after it's been blown to bits.

Now all we need is beer, a football, and an electric violin.


And co-ed showers. Lots of co-ed showers.
 
2013-02-18 03:20:58 PM
Wouldnt it be AWESOME if the latest media scare actually led to more funding for nasa?
EVEN if it were just for asteroid defense?
 
2013-02-18 03:22:01 PM
'It's afraid.'
 
2013-02-18 03:22:04 PM

give me doughnuts: Lord Snoopy's G.P.E.H.: Just remember to send the battleships at the enemy in a really close formation, so one enemy hit will cripple several ships. Also, don't worry about ammo, it's unlimited. Shoot each bug hundreds of times at least, even after it's been blown to bits.

Now all we need is beer, a football, and an electric violin.

And co-ed showers. Lots of co-ed showers.


yum yum yum.
 
2013-02-18 03:24:01 PM
 
2013-02-18 03:24:29 PM
It's God just trying to fix the mistake he made when created Adam and Eve.
 
2013-02-18 03:24:50 PM

People_are_Idiots: I've been saying that maybe these are meteors knocked to Earth by the big one. Things the size of baseballs and Volvos.


And you've been wrong.
 
2013-02-18 03:26:01 PM
toomanyposts.files.wordpress.com


Dizzy: Rico, I'm dying.
Johnny Rico: No Diz, you'll be fine.
Dizzy: But it's OK, because I got to have you.
 
2013-02-18 03:26:02 PM
Can we stop talking about the Cuba thing like it was real?

Also, somebody call Dina Meyer, I'll warm up the co-ed shower.....
 
2013-02-18 03:26:54 PM
s3.amazonaws.com
"Yeah one more thing, um... none of them wanna pay taxes again. Ever."
 
2013-02-18 03:28:18 PM

Lord Snoopy's G.P.E.H.: Just remember to send the battleships at the enemy in a really close formation, so one enemy hit will cripple several ships. Also, don't worry about ammo, it's unlimited. Shoot each bug hundreds of times at least, even after it's been blown to bits.

Now all we need is beer, a football, and an electric violin.


I'm allergic to gluten, shiat at football, and clumsy infests my fingers. Got a pastime I can get into?
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-18 03:29:23 PM

Publikwerks: [toomanyposts.files.wordpress.com image 500x281]


Dizzy: Rico, I'm dying.
Johnny Rico: No Diz, you'll be fine.
Dizzy: But it's OK, because I got to have you.


godamit
 
2013-02-18 03:32:58 PM
The asteroid our government blames on Klendathu was an inside job. Wake up, sheeple!
 
2013-02-18 03:36:23 PM

Lord Snoopy's G.P.E.H.: Just remember to send the battleships at the enemy in a really close formation, so one enemy hit will cripple several ships. Also, don't worry about ammo, it's unlimited. Shoot each bug hundreds of times at least, even after it's been blown to bits.

Now all we need is beer, a football, and an electric violin.


That movie was painfully bad.  Which is a shame because the book is virtually tailor made for a big sci fi flick.
 
2013-02-18 03:36:24 PM
If an asteroid comes around again, just send up Will Smith, Michael Ironside, Bruce Willis, Ben Affleck, Tommy Lee Jones, Dean Cain, Brandon Routh and Tom Welling. We'll be fine.
 
2013-02-18 03:37:34 PM
Ftfa: It's a coincidence

No, it's because space debris tends to follow in fairly tight orbits after collisions. It's likely that Earth is plowing into bits of  012 DA14 that broke off due to previous impacts and are now all clustered in roughly the same orbit.

Space is really really farking big. There is an infinitesimally small probability that this is just "coincidence"
 
2013-02-18 03:37:59 PM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Lord Snoopy's G.P.E.H.: Just remember to send the battleships at the enemy in a really close formation, so one enemy hit will cripple several ships. Also, don't worry about ammo, it's unlimited. Shoot each bug hundreds of times at least, even after it's been blown to bits.

Now all we need is beer, a football, and an electric violin.

I'm allergic to gluten, shiat at football, and clumsy infests my fingers. Got a pastime I can get into?


images2.wikia.nocookie.net

Do you kill bugs good?
 
2013-02-18 03:39:42 PM
Meteorologists are strangely silent on all these meteors. Conspiracy?
 
2013-02-18 03:40:29 PM
They have just tested their second meteorite bomb. We can ill afford a meteorite gap with the Russians.
 
2013-02-18 03:41:34 PM
In science, there's an event called a stochastic process. It happens when you have a system that follows a set of rules, but there's a random nature to it as well, making it hard to predict exactly how things will turn out.

That's not a stochastic process, which is a self correcting process.
 
2013-02-18 03:42:55 PM

Bastard Toadflax: Meteorologists are strangely silent on all these meteors. Conspiracy?


Also I notice the cosmetologists are mum. Curiouser and curiouser...
 
2013-02-18 03:44:36 PM
mlkshk.com
The goddamn bugs whacked us Johnny!
 
2013-02-18 03:45:43 PM
I know how to deal with asteroids: Preparation H. Lots and lots of preparation H.
 
2013-02-18 03:46:19 PM
Thread fails without Dina Meyer
images.wikia.com
 
2013-02-18 03:46:25 PM
Am I the only one who figured that the asteroid impact in Starship Troopers wasn't caused by the insects?  Seriously, traveling across the galaxy at sub-light speeds would take very, very long, meaning the asteroid would have been launched long before humans and bugs had ever met.
 
2013-02-18 03:49:29 PM

namatad: Wouldnt it be AWESOME if the latest media scare actually led to more funding for nasa?
EVEN if it were just for asteroid defense?


 i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-18 03:49:31 PM

Odd Bird: Thread fails without Dina Meyer
[images.wikia.com image 409x544]


I always thought Dina Meyer was waaaay hotter than Denise Richards.

\I'm dizzy for Dizzy
 
2013-02-18 03:50:35 PM
You're it until you're dead or I find someone better

- michael ironside

Happy to see so many people enjoyed the movie everyone loves to trash. Personally I greatly enjoyed armageddon AND starship troopers. If they could get the original cast I'd love to see a sequel to armageddon - minus bruce willis of course. But this time, please, no aerosmith.
 
2013-02-18 03:51:12 PM
GET OUT OF HERE NOW!!!!!
 
2013-02-18 03:51:51 PM

State_College_Arsonist: Am I the only one who figured that the asteroid impact in Starship Troopers wasn't caused by the insects?  Seriously, traveling across the galaxy at sub-light speeds would take very, very long, meaning the asteroid would have been launched long before humans and bugs had ever met.


You could not have chosen a worse movie about which to air your plot hole displeasure.
 
2013-02-18 03:52:14 PM
Starship Troupers thread without shower scene pics?

www.hotflick.net

FARK, I am disappoint.
 
2013-02-18 03:53:11 PM

Albert911emt: Odd Bird: Thread fails without Dina Meyer
[images.wikia.com image 409x544]

I always thought Dina Meyer was waaaay hotter than Denise Richards.

\I'm dizzy for Dizzy


Red on the head, crazy fun in the bed.
 
2013-02-18 03:53:25 PM

State_College_Arsonist: Am I the only one who figured that the asteroid impact in Starship Troopers wasn't caused by the insects?  Seriously, traveling across the galaxy at sub-light speeds would take very, very long, meaning the asteroid would have been launched long before humans and bugs had ever met.


And the moon has a giant space station with huge turrets on it. And there are ships patrolling earth orbit, and one ship encounters the asteroid but apparently does nothing to calculate the path of this uncharted object/is unable to put in at the nearest port in time to get their hands on a working transmitter after being damaged.

My above joke aside, it's heavily implied.

Verhoeven was probably referencing popular conspiracy theories, such as the idea that FDR "let Pearl Harbor happen," since the whole film is a satire of militarism and propaganda flicks.
 
2013-02-18 03:53:55 PM
Damn it all to hell, I love that movie. I know it is a piece of god awful schlock but I love it.

/the only good bug is a dead bug
//liked the book too, though it is hard to consider the film and it related
 
2013-02-18 03:54:51 PM
♫  K-K-K-K-K-Klendathu,

I think that's where I'm going to ♫
 
2013-02-18 03:56:33 PM

Macular Degenerate: Ftfa: It's a coincidence

No, it's because space debris tends to follow in fairly tight orbits after collisions. It's likely that Earth is plowing into bits of  012 DA14 that broke off due to previous impacts and are now all clustered in roughly the same orbit.

Space is really really farking big. There is an infinitesimally small probability that this is just "coincidence"


Because People in power are Stupid: That's not a stochastic process, which is a self correcting process.


nerdcoretheology.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-18 04:02:33 PM

FarkingReading: People_are_Idiots: I've been saying that maybe these are meteors knocked to Earth by the big one. Things the size of baseballs and Volvos.

And you've been wrong.


No one proved it yet. It's not as bad as the big one hitting, but just because the big meteor's not gonna hit doesn't mean the little brothers and sisters it plays with won't

/still no reason to panic yet.
 
2013-02-18 04:08:34 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Can we stop talking about the Cuba thing like it was real?

Also, somebody call Dina Meyer, I'll warm up the co-ed shower.....


www.gulum.net
 
2013-02-18 04:10:27 PM

js34603: Damn it all to hell, I love that movie. I know it is a piece of god awful schlock but I love it.

/the only good bug is a dead bug
//liked the book too, though it is hard to consider the film and it related


Agreed 100%. I watch it once a year or so to this day.
 
2013-02-18 04:14:24 PM

Mad_Radhu: Albert911emt: Odd Bird: Thread fails without Dina Meyer
[images.wikia.com image 409x544]

I always thought Dina Meyer was waaaay hotter than Denise Richards.

\I'm dizzy for Dizzy

Red on the head, crazy fun in the bed.


Plus she was Batgirl...

bruehoyt.com
 
2013-02-18 04:14:43 PM

js34603: Damn it all to hell, I love that movie. I know it is a piece of god awful schlock but I love it.

/the only good bug is a dead bug
//liked the book too, though it is hard to consider the film and it related


It was a great turn your brain off and enjoy movie1
 
2013-02-18 04:15:12 PM

Macular Degenerate: Ftfa: It's a coincidence

No, it's because space debris tends to follow in fairly tight orbits after collisions. It's likely that Earth is plowing into bits of  012 DA14 that broke off due to previous impacts and are now all clustered in roughly the same orbit.

Space is really really farking big. There is an infinitesimally small probability that this is just "coincidence"


I'm pretty sure someone somewhere said that DA14 and the Russian one were travelling in different directions, so they couldn't have been "roughly in the same orbit".

Also, "an infinitesimally small probability" is still a possibility. And why it doesn't happen more often.
 
2013-02-18 04:16:40 PM

Macular Degenerate: Ftfa: It's a coincidence

No, it's because space debris tends to follow in fairly tight orbits after collisions. It's likely that Earth is plowing into bits of  012 DA14 that broke off due to previous impacts and are now all clustered in roughly the same orbit.

Space is really really farking big. There is an infinitesimally small probability that this is just "coincidence"


Did you read the article?

I agree that what you say is possible. In fact, I made the same points about the events Friday when people were saying it had to be coincidence. I do think there are cases where an asteroid or comet might, say, break up as it slingshots past a gas giant or the sun or something. I imagine the pieces would travel like shot from a shotgun; as more time passes and the distance from the breakup event grows: the pieces would spread out more and more (much as the pattern from a shotgun blast is measured in feet at 25 yards but in mere inches at 10 feet). But the pieces would still be travelling in roughly the same direction. Sure, as eons pass, so many outside forces will work on the fragments that they'll eventually not be considered a group any more.

I thought your scenario might possibly be the case last week before the facts were presented. As the article states the objects were travelling on different orbital paths: different enough that I think it VERY unlikey they were related. Still possible? Sure. Humans don't KNOW sh*t in the scheme of things. No way to really know without examining a piece of each rock (and then a stastically significant number of other asteroids, too)?

Why not be open to evidence and open to changing your opinion when evidence contrary to said opinion presents itself?

On Friday I thought there was a decent chance they were related. At that point in time I knew nothing of their orbits. But I knew that evidence of their original vectors was probably forthcoming and that would allow me to make a more educated decision about the matter. Now that information is available I think the chance they were related is very, very small indeed.

Science, how does it work?
 
2013-02-18 04:19:36 PM

People_are_Idiots: FarkingReading: People_are_Idiots: I've been saying that maybe these are meteors knocked to Earth by the big one. Things the size of baseballs and Volvos.

And you've been wrong.

No one proved it yet. It's not as bad as the big one hitting, but just because the big meteor's not gonna hit doesn't mean the little brothers and sisters it plays with won't

/still no reason to panic yet.


Are you a people?
 
2013-02-18 04:22:17 PM

Snarfangel: They have just tested their second meteorite bomb. We can ill afford a meteorite gap with the Russians.


Huh? We launched the first ones ourselves. Didn't you read what that Russian diplomat said about our meteor weapons test?
 
2013-02-18 04:28:53 PM
- "To fight the bug, we must first understand the bug."
- "But how, Sky Marshal?"
- "Co-ed showers."
- "As you command!"
 
2013-02-18 04:36:47 PM
All is proceeding according to Skynet's plan.

i.imgur.com

/what do you think it was really doing up there?
 
2013-02-18 04:44:17 PM
sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-02-18 04:48:30 PM

Macular Degenerate: Ftfa: It's a coincidence

No, it's because space debris tends to follow in fairly tight orbits after collisions. It's likely that Earth is plowing into bits of  012 DA14 that broke off due to previous impacts and are now all clustered in roughly the same orbit.

Space is really really farking big. There is an infinitesimally small probability that this is just "coincidence"


The orbit of the Russian meteor was nothing like the orbit of the near-miss asteroid. If you reject the idea that these things were causally unrelated (i.e., a coincidence) then "hurled by angry space bugs" is no less plausible than "two bits of the same space rock ended up in radically different orbits but passed by or hit the earth within a couple days of each other."

I mean, yeah, the Perseids and the Geminids and the Leonids are all the result of stuff flaking off their respective comets. Astronomers know all about that stuff. But they're pretty much unanimous that this isn't that.

On the other hand, almost any explanation would be more  interesting than "it's a coincidence," so I'm going to keep an open mind about the Klendathu theory.
 
2013-02-18 04:51:02 PM
Why does everyone get that RoboCop is supposed to be funny, but almost nobody understands that Starship Troopers was yet another piece of satire?
 
2013-02-18 04:51:21 PM

LonMead: KLAATU... BARATA...  NNNN... necktie? nectarine?

something with an "n", I know it...


Just cough when you say it.  Nobody will notice the difference.
 
2013-02-18 04:53:08 PM
 
2013-02-18 04:53:19 PM
Oh. My. God.

3.bp.blogspot.com

The Palestinians have made it to space.
 
2013-02-18 04:54:41 PM
As far as I can discern, the chances of a meteor striking the Earth are exactly the same as they were a week ago...

And there was NO meteor strike over Cuba.
 
2013-02-18 04:55:33 PM

People_are_Idiots: I've been saying that maybe these are meteors knocked to Earth by the big one. Things the size of baseballs and Volvos.


upload.wikimedia.org
No, somebody's just playing pool.

Get a vindaloo ready, just in case.
 
2013-02-18 04:57:44 PM
It is really amusing that there seems to be so many of these things happening within days/weeks of each other.  But I agree with the author.  It's just coincidence.

During the last meteor shower, (Leonids, I think), my son and I were out there watching.  We saw a couple of little streaks, nothing to brag about.  Then we decided it was too cold to stay out there any longer.  Just as that decision was made, an enormous bright streak with a sizeable front to it flew, across the sky.  It was awesome.  Both of us were floored.  "Well, that was worth waiting for!!"

The only thing I've ever seen that was as impressive as that was a really BIG chuck of rock that came tumbling down on fire.  It was moving really slow by meteor standards, and it took a long time to burn out.  That was cool.
 
2013-02-18 05:00:41 PM

Cyno01: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x850]


That fox news screencap cannot be a real thing.
 
2013-02-18 05:11:20 PM
Typical coincidence theorist.

He left out about 3 others which were larger than usual that happened recently. It's harder to believe it's all some coincidence than that we're simply moving through a patch of them. Occam's razor and all.
 
2013-02-18 05:15:48 PM
Klendathu, or the Loonies are catapulting rocks our way to promote their socialist agenda.

Mannie & Rico's Roughnecks together...combining unlimited bug-piercing rounds and Hong-Kong bucks.
 
2013-02-18 05:21:16 PM

Bastard Toadflax: Meteorologists are strangely silent on all these meteors. Conspiracy?


Awesome. +1
 
2013-02-18 05:24:20 PM

lockers: Cyno01: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x850]

That fox news screencap cannot be a real thing.


It isn't, although CNN anchor Deb Feyerick really did ask Bill Nye the Science Guy, "Is this an effect of, perhaps, of global warming or is this just some meteoric occasion?"
 
2013-02-18 05:27:02 PM

minnesotaboy: Starship Troupers thread without shower scene pics?

[www.hotflick.net image 720x540]

FARK, I am disappoint.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-18 05:28:50 PM

LesserEvil: minnesotaboy: Starship Troupers thread without shower scene pics?

[www.hotflick.net image 720x540]

FARK, I am disappoint.

[i.imgur.com image 599x466]


You don't happen to have the original of that pic, do you?
 
2013-02-18 05:29:10 PM
Yeah, well who cares what they think in Nepal?
 
2013-02-18 05:29:52 PM

LonMead: LesserEvil: minnesotaboy: Starship Troupers thread without shower scene pics?

[www.hotflick.net image 720x540]

FARK, I am disappoint.

[i.imgur.com image 599x466]

You don't happen to have the original of that pic, do you?


Sure...

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-18 05:32:15 PM
Oh, and
cdn2.holytaco.com

nom... nomnomnom... nom...
 
2013-02-18 05:34:52 PM
It's a plot by the skinnies
 
2013-02-18 05:49:50 PM

js34603: Damn it all to hell, I love that movie. I know it is a piece of god awful schlock but I love it.

/the only good bug is a dead bug
//liked the book too, though it is hard to consider the film and it related


Only stupid people think that's a bad movie. Sure, some parts are less than plausible. For example, the first time they encounter a spider thing, it takes 8 troopers their entire magazines to bring it down. Then at the end, when Johnny and Carmen are fleeing the bug tunnel and the other dying dude stays behind to cover their retreat, he's killing bugs with one shot. So some of the action scenes are crap, but the satire and political commentary... Yes, narrator, I would like to know more.
 
2013-02-18 05:55:55 PM

s1ugg0: That movie was painfully bad.



The movie was a brilliant piece of satire depicting the first few years of "the war on terror," post 9/11. The fact that it came out a few years before only makes it that much more eerie (eerier?).
 
2013-02-18 06:17:17 PM

NathanAllen: Why does everyone get that RoboCop is supposed to be funny, but almost nobody understands that Starship Troopers was yet another piece of satire?


Everybody's seen RoboCop but almost nobody's read Heinlein.
 
2013-02-18 06:27:13 PM

Gyrfalcon: NathanAllen: Why does everyone get that RoboCop is supposed to be funny, but almost nobody understands that Starship Troopers was yet another piece of satire?

Everybody's seen RoboCop but almost nobody's read Heinlein.


There's a reason for that.
 
2013-02-18 06:30:36 PM
Happy to see so many people enjoyed the movie everyone loves to trash. Personally I greatly enjoyed armageddon AND starship troopers.

I also enjoyed Lost in Space.  Sci-Fi doesn't have to be cerebral.

/NTTAWWT
 
2013-02-18 06:31:41 PM

LesserEvil: LonMead: LesserEvil: minnesotaboy: Starship Troupers thread without shower scene pics?

[www.hotflick.net image 720x540]

FARK, I am disappoint.

[i.imgur.com image 599x466]

You don't happen to have the original of that pic, do you?

Sure...

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 300x375]


Yep, still hilarious.
 
2013-02-18 06:32:39 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-18 06:36:23 PM

Amos Quito: Oh. My. God.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x269]

The Palestinians have made it to space.


www.moneyandshit.com
 
2013-02-18 06:37:07 PM

BullBearMS: Happy to see so many people enjoyed the movie everyone loves to trash. Personally I greatly enjoyed armageddon AND starship troopers.

I also enjoyed Lost in Space.  Sci-Fi doesn't have to be cerebral.

/NTTAWWT


How can you think ST wasn't cerebral? Oh wait, the co-ed showers, of course.
 
2013-02-18 06:38:55 PM
Everyone is doing their part. Are you?
 
2013-02-18 06:50:46 PM
"Mr. Rico!"


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-18 06:52:14 PM

LesserEvil: LonMead: LesserEvil: minnesotaboy: Starship Troupers thread without shower scene pics?

[www.hotflick.net image 720x540]

FARK, I am disappoint.

[i.imgur.com image 599x466]

You don't happen to have the original of that pic, do you?

Sure...

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 300x375]


That's STILL funny to me - it shouldn't be, but it is.  Maybe it's just the dumb smile on his face, I don't know.
 
2013-02-18 07:07:14 PM

LesserEvil: LonMead: LesserEvil: minnesotaboy: Starship Troupers thread without shower scene pics?

[www.hotflick.net image 720x540]

FARK, I am disappoint.

[i.imgur.com image 599x466]

You don't happen to have the original of that pic, do you?

Sure...

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 300x375]


The Fast Break Dunk of Fark.
 
2013-02-18 07:14:01 PM
Wake me when Ghidorah gets here.
 
2013-02-18 07:21:37 PM
It's afraid.

IT'S AFRAID!!
 
2013-02-18 07:24:03 PM

mat catastrophe: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 720x480]


You mean I wear this shiat on my head, to protect me from the shiat hitting my head?

/less funny than the original
 
2013-02-18 07:26:23 PM

Macular Degenerate: Ftfa: It's a coincidence

No, it's because space debris tends to follow in fairly tight orbits after collisions. It's likely that Earth is plowing into bits of  012 DA14 that broke off due to previous impacts and are now all clustered in roughly the same orbit.

Space is really really farking big. There is an infinitesimally small probability that this is just "coincidence"


Clustered around the same orbit but coming from opposite directions from totally different orbits...you really don't have a farking clue what you are talking about, do you?
 
2013-02-18 07:26:44 PM

Cyno01: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x850]


No...that has to....that has to be photoshopped.  It has to be, right?  There's no way that is real.  I mean...really?  Oh god, please tell me that's not real.
 
2013-02-18 07:27:18 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Then at the end, when Johnny and Carmen are fleeing the bug tunnel and the other dying dude stays behind to cover their retreat, he's killing bugs with one shot.


While i agree the book and movie are unrelated the scource material in the book alludes to learning that bugs have a nerve centre that can be shot out.

State_College_Arsonist: Seriously, traveling across the galaxy at sub-light speeds would take very, very long, meaning the asteroid would have been launched long before humans and bugs had ever met.


In the book it seems allot more like it actually was the bugs. They are presented as a much more formidable and organized in the book. They are even capable of forming alliances which is why at the start of the book the troopers are terrorizing an alien world.

The movie made it into some false flag facist thing. The bugs in the book i absolutely believe launched an asteroid at the earth. Both sides seemed entirely capable of faster than light speeds and space travel.
 
2013-02-18 07:29:18 PM
Oh thank god, it's a shop:   Linky
 
2013-02-18 07:40:52 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Ed Finnerty: Is that a Kardashian?

No, this is:

[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 400x393]


Goddammit, do you know how hard it is to clean bits of cheese out of a keyboard?
 
2013-02-18 07:45:23 PM

Jensaarai: The asteroid our government blames on Klendathu was an inside job. Wake up, sheeple!


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-02-18 07:45:24 PM

Lor M. Ipsum: Oh thank god, it's a shop:   Linky


Ah, Poe strikes again at Fox News.  Too bad they are too thick to ever be embarrassed by it.
 
2013-02-18 07:57:06 PM

JohnBigBootay: Personally I greatly enjoyed armageddon AND starship troopers. If they could get the original cast I'd love to see a sequel to armageddon - minus bruce willis of course.


Hard to do that without Bear ....  http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0003817/?ref_=tt_cl_t9

: (
 
2013-02-18 08:08:01 PM

NathanAllen: Why does everyone get that RoboCop is supposed to be funny, but almost nobody understands that Starship Troopers was yet another piece of satire?


I genuinely had no idea that RoboCop was supposed to be funny.

Starship Troopers is a good movie because it works just as well for when you're 11 (ZOMG LASERS AND BOOBIES) as when you're 33 (ha ha, satirical critique of fascism AND BOOBIES).
 
2013-02-18 08:11:51 PM
That Russian meteor vid was sweet. The sonic boom rattled that guy's skull.
 
2013-02-18 08:13:20 PM
While I watch the movie a lot, I still dislike the fact that in the book Dizzy was a dude. No Rico didn't fark him like in the movie.

/good book, I recommend it
 
2013-02-18 08:21:37 PM

LonMead: KLAATU... BARATA...  NNNN... necktie? nectarine?

something with an "n", I know it...


done in nine
 
2013-02-18 08:27:56 PM

neuroflare: While I watch the movie a lot, I still dislike the fact that in the book Dizzy was a dude. No Rico didn't fark him like in the movie.

/good book, I recommend it


I prefer the book to the movie. For armored bug-hunts I prefer Armor by John Steakley.

That's just me of course, your mileage may vary.
 
2013-02-18 08:32:24 PM

Publikwerks: [toomanyposts.files.wordpress.com image 500x281]


Dizzy: Rico, I'm dying.
Johnny Rico: No Diz, you'll be fine.
Dizzy: But it's OK, because I got to have you.


Step aside kiddies...

images3.wikia.nocookie.net

And they ain't no bugs... They're Zerg.
 
2013-02-18 08:32:27 PM

Lord Snoopy's G.P.E.H.: Just remember to send the battleships at the enemy in a really close formation, so one enemy hit will cripple several ships. Also, don't worry about ammo, it's unlimited. Shoot each bug hundreds of times at least, even after it's been blown to bits.

Now all we need is beer, a football, and an electric violin.


Yeah, it's too bad there isn't any room to maneuver in space.
 
2013-02-18 08:34:50 PM

A Shambling Mound: For armored bug-hunts I prefer Armor by John Steakley.


I second this opinion. I think it was a lot better, in fact.
 
2013-02-18 08:36:14 PM
"In a word: nope. It's coincidence. "


Counterpoint:
dl.dropbox.com

If you want to loosen up the purse strings of the public to fund asteroid research, stop trying to  downplay the threats that exist.
Instead, scare the shiat out of people as often as you can at every (rare) opportunity. The people expect bad news and the media is ready to inflate any claim you make.  Just give in to the dark side and do it!

/We've seen this work for a number of other issues. If you can put enough fear in the populace, they'll clamor for a solution whether they need it or not.
/Keep being reasonable = Keep getting your funding requests kicked down the road.
 
2013-02-18 08:36:50 PM

A Shambling Mound: neuroflare: While I watch the movie a lot, I still dislike the fact that in the book Dizzy was a dude. No Rico didn't fark him like in the movie.

/good book, I recommend it

I prefer the book to the movie. For armored bug-hunts I prefer Armor by John Steakley.

That's just me of course, your mileage may vary.


I wish there was the movie technology when the movie was made to put them in proper powered armor suits, instead of just infantry. I don't call them mobile infantry because mobile infantry have powered armor with jump jets dammit! That and I want to know just what a skinny look like.
 
2013-02-18 08:37:55 PM

A Shambling Mound: For armored bug-hunts I prefer Armor by John Steakley.


Never read it, but book-wise starship troopers is not an armored bug-hunt, really.
 
2013-02-18 08:38:14 PM

LesserEvil: LonMead: LesserEvil: minnesotaboy: Starship Troupers thread without shower scene pics?

[www.hotflick.net image 720x540]

FARK, I am disappoint.

[i.imgur.com image 599x466]

You don't happen to have the original of that pic, do you?

Sure...

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 300x375]


I swear.  Just asking for the original of the Rock pic has become a meme itself.  I don't think I've wandered into a thread with a Rock "Hey Guys" pic without somebody asking for the original.
 
2013-02-18 08:41:08 PM

Skyrmion: A Shambling Mound: For armored bug-hunts I prefer Armor by John Steakley.

I second this opinion. I think it was a lot better, in fact.


Armor was a great book, but some of the plot twists (in the Felix section) were pretty well telegraphed, ie

Engineer: this concrete is strong but masks our sensors
 
2013-02-18 08:58:48 PM

A Shambling Mound: I prefer the book to the movie. For armored bug-hunts I prefer Armor by John Steakley.


Agreed, Armor needs to be made into a movie. A 2 parter, in fact.
And if they ever do, all fans talk it up as much as you can before CNN and all can trash it.
 
2013-02-18 09:10:02 PM

neuroflare: A Shambling Mound: For armored bug-hunts I prefer Armor by John Steakley.

Never read it, but book-wise starship troopers is not an armored bug-hunt, really.


Um, yes, yes it is. They didnt use drop ships, they dropped in suits. And engaged the bugs, in said powered armoured suits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Infantry_(Starship_Troopers)
 
2013-02-18 09:11:34 PM

A Shambling Mound: neuroflare: While I watch the movie a lot, I still dislike the fact that in the book Dizzy was a dude. No Rico didn't fark him like in the movie.

/good book, I recommend it

I prefer the book to the movie. For armored bug-hunts I prefer Armor by John Steakley.

That's just me of course, your mileage may vary.


"He sounds like a single man."
"But he drinks like a goddam couple!"
 
2013-02-18 09:14:37 PM

alienated: neuroflare: A Shambling Mound: For armored bug-hunts I prefer Armor by John Steakley.

Never read it, but book-wise starship troopers is not an armored bug-hunt, really.

Um, yes, yes it is. They didnt use drop ships, they dropped in suits. And engaged the bugs, in said powered armoured suits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Infantry_(Starship_Troopers)


Husdon thought it was gonna be just another bug-hunt, and look what happened to him.

And he was short, man.
 
2013-02-18 09:14:45 PM

Kurmudgeon: A Shambling Mound: I prefer the book to the movie. For armored bug-hunts I prefer Armor by John Steakley.

Agreed, Armor needs to be made into a movie. A 2 parter, in fact.
And if they ever do, all fans talk it up as much as you can before CNN and all can trash it.


At least they made Vampire$ into a movie.

/Cannot understand why he didn't write more books
 
2013-02-18 09:18:17 PM
Yeah dizzy bit the dust at the end of the prologue. Hes just a fellow trooper who kicks the can. There is LITERALLY (Because its a book! amirite?) no exposition regarding the character "dizzy"

It was too bad they couldn't have just picked a different name for their movie character.
 
2013-02-18 09:22:10 PM

alienated: neuroflare: A Shambling Mound: For armored bug-hunts I prefer Armor by John Steakley.

Never read it, but book-wise starship troopers is not an armored bug-hunt, really.

Um, yes, yes it is. They didnt use drop ships, they dropped in suits. And engaged the bugs, in said powered armoured suits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Infantry_(Starship_Troopers)


you missed the post before it. Yeah it's there, but there's a hell of a lot of non-combat. Context, man!
 
2013-02-18 09:26:05 PM
In other power-armor-marine story news, I just noticed they are making a movie of All You Need is Kill.

With Tom Cruise.
 
2013-02-18 09:27:46 PM

neuroflare: alienated: neuroflare: A Shambling Mound: For armored bug-hunts I prefer Armor by John Steakley.

Never read it, but book-wise starship troopers is not an armored bug-hunt, really.

Um, yes, yes it is. They didnt use drop ships, they dropped in suits. And engaged the bugs, in said powered armoured suits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Infantry_(Starship_Troopers)

you missed the post before it. Yeah it's there, but there's a hell of a lot of non-combat. Context, man!


I re-read your op and stand corrected. I thought you said you had never read ST. My mistake.
And yes, a lot of non combat but, folks like splosions and stuff in films ...
 
2013-02-18 09:30:02 PM
s3.postimage.org
 
2013-02-18 09:36:06 PM

alienated: neuroflare: alienated: neuroflare: A Shambling Mound: For armored bug-hunts I prefer Armor by John Steakley.

Never read it, but book-wise starship troopers is not an armored bug-hunt, really.

Um, yes, yes it is. They didnt use drop ships, they dropped in suits. And engaged the bugs, in said powered armoured suits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Infantry_(Starship_Troopers)

you missed the post before it. Yeah it's there, but there's a hell of a lot of non-combat. Context, man!

I re-read your op and stand corrected. I thought you said you had never read ST. My mistake.
And yes, a lot of non combat but, folks like splosions and stuff in films ...


In hindsight, I should have bolded the book title
 
2013-02-18 09:43:39 PM

Macular Degenerate: Ftfa: It's a coincidence

No, it's because space debris tends to follow in fairly tight orbits after collisions. It's likely that Earth is plowing into bits of  012 DA14 that broke off due to previous impacts and are now all clustered in roughly the same orbit.

Space is really really farking big. There is an infinitesimally small probability that this is just "coincidence"


Not so much coincidence but now media pandering. Last summer there was another meteor spotted in Cal. if I remember correctly. In the past meteors barely made the news or ended up buried near the end of the broadcast, however now every video of a meteor is getting attention because it is the 'it' topic. If the Russian meteor happened over the mid ocean chances are nothing would have made it in the news about any of these sightings.
 
2013-02-18 10:18:30 PM

Publikwerks: [toomanyposts.files.wordpress.com image 500x281]


Dizzy: Rico, I'm dying.
Johnny Rico: No Diz, you'll be fine.
Dizzy: But it's OK, because I got to have you.


all i can see are teath
 
2013-02-18 10:38:36 PM

alienated: neuroflare: A Shambling Mound: For armored bug-hunts I prefer Armor by John Steakley.

Never read it, but book-wise starship troopers is not an armored bug-hunt, really.

Um, yes, yes it is. They didnt use drop ships, they dropped in suits. And engaged the bugs, in said powered armoured suits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Infantry_(Starship_Troopers)


Dude, you're basically saying Utopia was a travelogue.
 
2013-02-18 10:52:42 PM

Publikwerks: Dizzy: Rico, I'm dying.
Johnny Rico: No Diz, you'll be fine.
Dizzy: But it's OK, because I got to have you.


"Ma'am, I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but your daughter was in a terrible car accident. We rushed her to the hospital, but she didn't survive."
"Oh, no! Please... please tell me that she got to fark Casper van Dien before she died."
"I'm sorry. We did everything we could, but he couldn't get there in time."
"NOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
 
2013-02-18 11:03:39 PM

Lt_Ryan: however now every video of a meteor is getting attention because it is the 'it' topic.


The big bright ones have always gotten attention. Used to hear about maybe one a year, perhaps caught on CCTV or a dashcam, and that's what all these recent ones are. Usually the most common ones are the brief little streaks in the sky, like we see with the annual meteor showers, but that's not what people are seeing and filming now, or what the media is making a big deal about. To have so many big ones in such a short period is unusual. It's not beyond the realm of coincidence, but it's still more likely we're moving through a group of them. Or hopefully moved through a group of them, and they have no plans of returning.
 
2013-02-18 11:38:19 PM

vrax: Lor M. Ipsum: Oh thank god, it's a shop:   Linky

Ah, Poe strikes again at Fox News.  Too bad they are too thick to ever be embarrassed by it.


While I'm glad that was a shop, I had no trouble at all believing it was genuine.  After one of their 'news anchors' referred to a gesture between Obama and his wife as a "terrorist fist bump" nothing out of that schlock factory surprises me anymore.
 
2013-02-19 12:14:05 AM

namatad: Wouldnt it be AWESOME if the latest media scare actually led to more funding for nasa?
EVEN if it were just for asteroid defense?


www.scottdecker.com

50million should do it.
 
2013-02-19 12:37:58 AM

namatad: Wouldnt it be AWESOME if the latest media scare actually led to more funding for nasa?
EVEN if it were just for asteroid defense?


We need a real XCOM
 
2013-02-19 12:41:16 AM

MemeSlave: Gyrfalcon: NathanAllen: Why does everyone get that RoboCop is supposed to be funny, but almost nobody understands that Starship Troopers was yet another piece of satire?

Everybody's seen RoboCop but almost nobody's read Heinlein.

There's a reason for that.


RoboCop can be watched with the brain turned off. Heinlein can't be read that way. Even his Juveniles require a certain amount of smarts.
 
2013-02-19 01:52:31 AM
First off, what the hell is wrong with her tits? Every time I see that shower scene it freaks me out. They're like, flat, or something. It's weird.

I actually liked the movie apart from those weird tits. It's campy and fun. In my mind the book and movie are not related because, let's face it, they have almost nothing in common with one another.
 
2013-02-19 01:59:39 AM

Skyrmion: In other power-armor-marine story news, I just noticed they are making a movie of All You Need is Kill.

With Tom Cruise.


It does have Bill paxton, though.
 
2013-02-19 02:11:34 AM

AdrienVeidt: Dude, you're basically saying Utopia was a travelogue.


What you are smoking, wanna share ?
No, I am just saying that the book had some elements that even the first time I read it made me think "how can i film that?" and when the film came out, some 30 years later, i had a sad.
No Rodger Young Music, no powered suits, no meeting his dad who enlisted and was transfered into Ricos Roughnecks ....
I still like the film, in a way  but i wish it had a different name is all.
I wont go into Heinleins political views as they do not match mine, but damn, so of the guys books still hold up. Can you grok that ?
/the last book i quoted from  is a waste of paper and energy to make it a book, imho.
 
2013-02-19 02:12:53 AM
* so of = some of. oops. Would you like to know more ?
 
2013-02-19 02:21:53 AM
I realize tis jokey thread but.

poor appreciation of stochastic events
 
2013-02-19 03:57:34 AM
api.ning.com
 
2013-02-19 04:56:50 AM

sexorcisst: [api.ning.com image 350x355]


That is the funniest picture that I have seen for 96 hours. Well played.

Someone should add a tag to this person, imho . Why ? Why not. Look at that pic.
 
2013-02-19 06:05:52 AM
geektyrant.com

Klendathu .. barretta .. necktie?
 
2013-02-19 07:03:00 AM

s1ugg0: Lord Snoopy's G.P.E.H.: Just remember to send the battleships at the enemy in a really close formation, so one enemy hit will cripple several ships. Also, don't worry about ammo, it's unlimited. Shoot each bug hundreds of times at least, even after it's been blown to bits.

Now all we need is beer, a football, and an electric violin.

That movie was painfully bad.  Which is a shame because the book is virtually tailor made for a big sci fi flick.


Yes, yes it was...yet each of the sequels made the movie before them look like farkin' Shakespeare.
 
2013-02-19 07:33:51 AM

CygnusDarius: And they ain't no bugs... They're Zerg.


images1.wikia.nocookie.net

"Zerg? How cute."
 
2013-02-19 08:29:34 AM
What a logical fallacy hitting a planet might look like:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-19 09:19:27 AM
A Starship Troopers thread and no mention of Roughnecks... Best Starship Troopers series ever! The only thing I wish they did was finish the last 4 episodes of the Earth Campaign. Just 4 more episodes and we could of had an epic conclusion.
 
2013-02-19 10:59:49 AM

mikefinch: Mike Chewbacca: Then at the end, when Johnny and Carmen are fleeing the bug tunnel and the other dying dude stays behind to cover their retreat, he's killing bugs with one shot.

While i agree the book and movie are unrelated the scource material in the book alludes to learning that bugs have a nerve centre that can be shot out.

State_College_Arsonist: Seriously, traveling across the galaxy at sub-light speeds would take very, very long, meaning the asteroid would have been launched long before humans and bugs had ever met.

In the book it seems allot more like it actually was the bugs. They are presented as a much more formidable and organized in the book. They are even capable of forming alliances which is why at the start of the book the troopers are terrorizing an alien world.

The movie made it into some false flag facist thing. The bugs in the book i absolutely believe launched an asteroid at the earth. Both sides seemed entirely capable of faster than light speeds and space travel.


Iirc in the book the Bugs just "paste" B.A. (and San Francisco, and Pluto, where Carl dies)...no mention of how they did it, exactly.  Probably big nukes from spaceships, though...not rocks.

Of course, if you've got a stardrive, you can probably accelerate a rock to where it ACTS like a nuke...
 
2013-02-19 11:23:50 AM

PunGent: mikefinch: Mike Chewbacca: Then at the end, when Johnny and Carmen are fleeing the bug tunnel and the other dying dude stays behind to cover their retreat, he's killing bugs with one shot.

While i agree the book and movie are unrelated the scource material in the book alludes to learning that bugs have a nerve centre that can be shot out.

State_College_Arsonist: Seriously, traveling across the galaxy at sub-light speeds would take very, very long, meaning the asteroid would have been launched long before humans and bugs had ever met.

In the book it seems allot more like it actually was the bugs. They are presented as a much more formidable and organized in the book. They are even capable of forming alliances which is why at the start of the book the troopers are terrorizing an alien world.

The movie made it into some false flag facist thing. The bugs in the book i absolutely believe launched an asteroid at the earth. Both sides seemed entirely capable of faster than light speeds and space travel.

Iirc in the book the Bugs just "paste" B.A. (and San Francisco, and Pluto, where Carl dies)...no mention of how they did it, exactly.  Probably big nukes from spaceships, though...not rocks.

Of course, if you've got a stardrivegravity, you can probably accelerate a rock to where it ACTS like a nuke...


Big enough rocks don't have to be moving very quickly in order to do comparable up-front damage.

There's no lingering radiation, but OTOH there's a buttload of dust and ash in the air messing with temperature levels.  So the ongoing effects are equally crappy.

Personally, I like to think they just had one REALLY big specially-genebred bug who volunteered to take a deep breath and leap out of the orbiter.
 
2013-02-19 01:39:43 PM
Hated the movie, loved the book. Seriously, the only redeeming thing about the movie was NPH. Do yourself a favor and read the book.

/why must I always poke the bear
//book was still better
 
2013-02-19 02:51:16 PM

alienated: I wont go into Heinleins political views as they do not match mine, but damn, so of the guys books still hold up. Can you grok that ?
/the last book i quoted from is a waste of paper and energy to make it a book, imho.


Thank you for that. I love Starship Troopers and talked it up a few years back when i was trying to get my sister to read something better than twilight. Well my family decided i must like Heinlein so they gave me a few of his other books (stranger in a strange land included) for Christmas.

How disappointing. His lopsided naive ideas about human society in the future could give Ayn Rand a run for her money.

I was entirely underwhelmed by the rest of his stuff. Naive idealistic and just turd like. Ayn Rand actually does come to mind as his books aswell all seem to be soapboxes for his half baked philosophy.

His books remind me of lines in TNG like "back in the 20th century people still used 'money' -- how primitive!" It belittles the ways of the past without ever understanding the root cause of the behavior or creating a plausible alternate.
 
2013-02-19 04:08:58 PM

One of Those Deaf Mutes: Hated the movie, loved the book. Seriously, the only redeeming thing about the movie was NPH. ***snip***


When is NPH not the best part of anything in which he is involved?  Never, in case you didn't know.
 
2013-02-19 06:14:23 PM

mikefinch: was entirely underwhelmed by the rest of his stuff. Naive idealistic and just turd like. Ayn Rand actually does come to mind as his books aswell all seem to be soapboxes for his half baked philosophy.


Perhaps you would care to quote something from those books that is more retarded than the bipartisan NDAA which allows politicians to throw Americans into military prisons until the end of the "war on terror" without any sort of charges or a trial?

Or the bipartisan "war on drugs"?

Or the bipartisan "war on terror"?
 
2013-02-20 01:10:39 AM

BullBearMS: Perhaps you would care to quote something from those books that is more retarded than the bipartisan NDAA which allows politicians to throw Americans into military prisons until the end of the "war on terror" without any sort of charges or a trial?
Or the bipartisan "war on drugs"?
Or the bipartisan "war on terror"?


Its naive and its idealistic. He writes a future without any connection to reality. He is so out to lunch regarding some ideas that it boggles the mind. Sci fi is supposed to be atleast a bit believable.

Heinleins descriptions of the future society being so open and libertine sounded as out to lunch as the SDA church elders telling me one day the catholic church would one day outlaw going to church on Saturday and make it an actual crime not to be catholic.

Its garbage that wasn't thought through. Plain and simple. I BELIEVE something like the NDAA exists. That makes sense -- its allot harder for me to believe that somewhere in the future we all became socialist libertines.
 
2013-02-20 02:23:12 AM

mikefinch: Mike Chewbacca: Then at the end, when Johnny and Carmen are fleeing the bug tunnel and the other dying dude stays behind to cover their retreat, he's killing bugs with one shot.

While i agree the book and movie are unrelated the scource material in the book alludes to learning that bugs have a nerve centre that can be shot out.

State_College_Arsonist: Seriously, traveling across the galaxy at sub-light speeds would take very, very long, meaning the asteroid would have been launched long before humans and bugs had ever met.

In the book it seems allot more like it actually was the bugs. They are presented as a much more formidable and organized in the book. They are even capable of forming alliances which is why at the start of the book the troopers are terrorizing an alien world.

The movie made it into some false flag facist thing. The bugs in the book i absolutely believe launched an asteroid at the earth. Both sides seemed entirely capable of faster than light speeds and space travel.


I'm pretty sure that the book never even says it was an asteroid or rock. It just says "The Bugs plastered Buenos Ares". I always assumed then jumped a fleet in-system and managed to get a ship past the defenses and dropped a really big nuke.

And the movie had....bug farts. That went into space. and killed ships. all without driving the farting bug about 40m into the bedrock from recoil! Not to mention orbital ass-tracking abilities

/Movie sucked.
//Book rocked.
///OK, the movie had good boobage. I'll give it that.
 
2013-02-20 07:03:44 AM

mikefinch: BullBearMS: Perhaps you would care to quote something from those books that is more retarded than the bipartisan NDAA which allows politicians to throw Americans into military prisons until the end of the "war on terror" without any sort of charges or a trial?
Or the bipartisan "war on drugs"?
Or the bipartisan "war on terror"?

Its naive and its idealistic. He writes a future without any connection to reality. He is so out to lunch regarding some ideas that it boggles the mind. Sci fi is supposed to be atleast a bit believable.

Heinleins descriptions of the future society being so open and libertine sounded as out to lunch as the SDA church elders telling me one day the catholic church would one day outlaw going to church on Saturday and make it an actual crime not to be catholic.

Its garbage that wasn't thought through. Plain and simple. I BELIEVE something like the NDAA exists. That makes sense -- its allot harder for me to believe that somewhere in the future we all became socialist libertines.


Again, quote something from the book that backs up your assertions.

All you've proven so far is that you are butthurt that Heinlein's politics aren't your own.

Since our current two parties are doing things right now that are much more retarded than anything Heinlein wrote about, you'll have to be specific.

You have actually read the stuff you're complaining about, haven't you?
 
2013-02-20 05:37:55 PM

BullBearMS: All you've proven so far is that you are butthurt that Heinlein's politics aren't your own.

Since our current two parties are doing things right now that are much more retarded than anything Heinlein wrote about, you'll have to be specific.

You have actually read the stuff you're complaining about, haven't you?


But it is about the politics. Its all about the politics. Its all about his way of thinking.

Here's an example -- its a bit weak though. In SST to vote you must participate in a government work program. It is essentially conscription for a vote and its facist. I know some people are fine with that way of thinking but to me its just a different way of constricting the electorate towards those in your favor.

His books are shlocked with values systems that really aren't sustainable. He leans heavily towards eugenics... He seems to favour worlds where sex is much more accepted but you women are almost always written as subservient to the men. He writes of worlds without war where everyone carries a gun like the old west. His society is to haughty for war but not to fancy for shooting eachother in the street?

I like allot of the subject matter. I just find the worlds he builds to be a bit soapboxy.

I don't believe societies would EVER end up behaving in the manners he writes (not in any lasting fashion) and it (for me atleast) really detracts from the story when im rolling my eyes every second page.

Those are examples -- the conscription in SST and the eugenics present in MANY of his other stories. Or the requirement for women to marry multiple partners no the moon? I know its supposed to be about genes in short supply but im going to suggest 95% of people ARENT cool with polygamy. And i dont think thats a social thing i think thats evolution.
 
2013-02-21 06:15:41 PM

mikefinch: In SST to vote you must participate in a government work program. It is essentially conscription for a vote and its facist.


You seem to be under the impression that just because an author includes a concept in one fictional novel, they must be in favor of that concept.

Stephen King is not in favor of people being brutally murdered, but you'd have a much easier time trying to prove he does from his body of work, since people are brutally murdered in a whole lot of King's books.

How many of Heinlein's books included the concept that you must take part in public service before being allowed to vote? One.

If this was something Heinlein seriously wanted to advocate for, it would have cropped up in more than one of his works.

mikefinch: He leans heavily towards eugenics...


Examples? In Friday, the protagonist was a genetically engineered female spy, but the society she was part of greatly looked down on those who were genetically modified.

mikefinch: women are almost always written as subservient to the men


He was a product of an era where women had only recently been given the right to vote. Frankly, it's shocking that so many of his works featured strong, intelligent female protagonists, like the aforementioned Friday.

For his era, he was actually quite forward thinking.

mikefinch: Or the requirement for women to marry multiple partners no the moon? I know its supposed to be about genes in short supply


Yes, that is indeed simple genetics.

Heinlein enjoyed messing with America when it came to our culture's odd social hangups, and sexuality is certainly one area where we are backwards compared to other cultures. It's our big puritan hangover.

He also spent quite a lot of time making fun of various religions.

mikefinch: I don't believe societies would EVER end up behaving in the manners he writes


His peers in the Sci-Fi writing world certainly gave him every award imaginable, so they don't agree with your assessment.
You can be all captain hindsight if you like, but Heinlein's peers didn't see anything wrong with his imagination.
 
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BullBearMS: His peers in the Sci-Fi writing world certainly gave him every award imaginable, so they don't agree with your assessment.
You can be all captain hindsight if you like, but Heinlein's peers didn't see anything wrong with his imagination


I reserve the right to think most sci-fi writers have a thumb up their ass.

BullBearMS: You seem to be under the impression that just because an author includes a concept in one fictional novel, they must be in favor of that concept.


Heinlein was QUITE in favor of the societies he wrote about. The guy was a nudist that liked to practice open relationships -- i would say thats a clear support of those concepts.

BullBearMS: Heinlein enjoyed messing with America when it came to our culture's odd social hangups, and sexuality is certainly one area where we are backwards compared to other cultures. It's our big puritan hangover.


See -- i dont think of it as a big puritan hangover. I dont think its that backwards compared to other cultures. Sexuality is more taboo in general maybe but monogamy and sexual possessiveness have been (through history and still today across the world) the norm. I see no reason for it to change.  I think humans naturally align to monogamous straight relationships. There are outliers but the simple fact of the matter is our brains are hardwired to compete sexually and no social revolution is going to change millions of years of monkey rage embedded into our brains.

BullBearMS: Examples? In Friday, the protagonist was a genetically engineered female spy, but the society she was part of greatly looked down on those who were genetically modified.


Beyond This Horizon

BullBearMS: How many of Heinlein's books included the concept that you must take part in public service before being allowed to vote? One.


as i said -- it was a weak example -- but his books often feature a large segment of the populations that dont get a say in politics. Im not entirely sure it was something he supported, but i would say political repression is a huge theme in his books. And i dont mind that. He gets political oppression quite well (it was the cold war afterall...) But i think he gets other aspects of human society terribly. He bought into allot of libertine ideas that exploded in the 60's. He was writing for hippies

And hippies are the most naive and out of touch people you can meet. They couldn't play devils advocate if their lives depended on it.

Im sorry -- i love SST and he came up with mountains of cool sci fi ideas, but when i read the books my eyes roll.
 
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