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(The Irish Times)   Yet another lefty politician flies to the US for medical treatment that is supposedly free in their homeland. Bonus: he's also a terrorist and his sympathizers paid for the operation   (irishtimes.com ) divider line
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2013-02-18 11:21:23 AM  
Trolltastic. If only you could have worked gun control in there too.
 
2013-02-18 11:22:16 AM  
More Americans travel to foreign countries for medical treatment than foreigners come to the US for treatment.Medical tourism is an indictment of our system, not a defense.
 
2013-02-18 11:23:05 AM  
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"Terrorist?! Where? I don't see a terrorist, just a likeminded fellow."
 
2013-02-18 11:23:46 AM  
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2013-02-18 11:24:33 AM  
nothingtobegainedhere.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-18 11:25:36 AM  
www.dannymorrison.com
 
2013-02-18 11:25:36 AM  
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Good jaerb, trollmitter
 
2013-02-18 11:31:44 AM  
I thought it was generally agreed upon that one of the good things about our current medical system was that it attracted specialists and highly specialized research due to the rates you could charge.  So while we did want to push costs down and get insurance rates up, keeping those specialists is a goal.
 
2013-02-18 11:32:15 AM  
Note: When money is not an issue and you are paying upfront for medical care then you are experiencing healthcare in the US, not the US healthcare system.
 
2013-02-18 11:39:27 AM  
So Gerry Adams can come to the US for healthcare but some Canadian with a 25 year old marijuana possesion charge from when he was 19 can't go to the Superbowl?  USA! USA! USA!
 
2013-02-18 11:41:16 AM  
60-85 thousand people come to the US for medical treatment every year, it's true.

But 750,000 people have to leave the US every year to get medical treatment.

750k > 60-85k
 
2013-02-18 11:56:54 AM  

Nobodyn0se: 60-85 thousand people come to the US for medical treatment every year, it's true.

But 750,000 people have to leave the US every year to get medical treatment.

750k > 60-85k


Yeah, pay no attention to the busloads of seniors taking "vacations" to Mexico or Canada so they can get medication and still afford things like food and shelter...This one internationally-known guy is coming to America for treatment, therefore our system is way better!!!!
 
2013-02-18 12:18:02 PM  
This argument is so stupid. There are doctors and hospitals that are top of their field. Just because you CAN get something for free, doesn't mean that particular service, or the best of that service, is available where you are. Here in Rochester, MN we get kings and celebrities of all stripe to the Mayo Clinic, not because they just love coming to the frigid north, but because Mayo is a leader in many types of care and they can afford it. Can I get cheaper care elsewhere? Yes I can. Will it be the same quality when treating my congenital heart defect? Nope, I'm staying where I am.
 
2013-02-18 12:24:12 PM  
I guess subby didn't read this part " the medical operation was not the sole purpose of the trip".

It's great that this one guy could have free health care in is country and then came here and got free health care since it was paid for by somebody else. Imagine if he actually lived in the USA and didn't have other people paying for is health care. The story wouldn't have such a happy ending then.

I remember reading a Canadian article about a girl who came to the usa for health care and all of the comments under the article were Canadians wondering why and talking about how great their health care system is.

I know you're TRYING to make the argument that American health care is the best, yet it's not. We're not number one. We're not even number two or three or four . ... we're actually so far down on the list you'd get bored of counting and go google hot bikini girls on the internet before finding us.
 
2013-02-18 12:33:10 PM  
Only €30,000 for an operation in the U.S.?

What did he have?  A tooth extraction?
 
2013-02-18 12:41:50 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Nobodyn0se: 60-85 thousand people come to the US for medical treatment every year, it's true.

But 750,000 people have to leave the US every year to get medical treatment.

750k > 60-85k

750k + 85k > 60


835k > 60

k > 60/835

k > 0.0718562874

/got nothing
 
2013-02-18 12:49:59 PM  
FTA: Gerry Adams to New York last summer where he underwent a medical procedure paid for by a wealthy businessman.

So, subby, are you suggesting that we should force wealthy business people to pay for cutting edge medical procedures for the poor?
 
2013-02-18 12:51:29 PM  

the lord god: [nothingtobegainedhere.files.wordpress.com image 850x580]


You idiot.
 
2013-02-18 12:52:05 PM  

Umeraken Ideut: This argument is so stupid. There are doctors and hospitals that are top of their field. Just because you CAN get something for free, doesn't mean that particular service, or the best of that service, is available where you are. Here in Rochester, MN we get kings and celebrities of all stripe to the Mayo Clinic, not because they just love coming to the frigid north, but because Mayo is a leader in many types of care and they can afford it. Can I get cheaper care elsewhere? Yes I can. Will it be the same quality when treating my congenital heart defect? Nope, I'm staying where I am.


I think the gist of the argument is "Rich people can get excellent health care in America so let's not worry about making sure everyone can get modest healthcare in America."
 
2013-02-18 01:01:35 PM  

Umeraken Ideut: This argument is so stupid. There are doctors and hospitals that are top of their field. Just because you CAN get something for free, doesn't mean that particular service, or the best of that service, is available where you are. Here in Rochester, MN we get kings and celebrities of all stripe to the Mayo Clinic, not because they just love coming to the frigid north, but because Mayo is a leader in many types of care and they can afford it. Can I get cheaper care elsewhere? Yes I can. Will it be the same quality when treating my congenital heart defect? Nope, I'm staying where I am.


So they go to the Mayo Clinic looking for a Miracle Trip?
 
2013-02-18 01:02:26 PM  

dehehn: Umeraken Ideut: This argument is so stupid. There are doctors and hospitals that are top of their field. Just because you CAN get something for free, doesn't mean that particular service, or the best of that service, is available where you are. Here in Rochester, MN we get kings and celebrities of all stripe to the Mayo Clinic, not because they just love coming to the frigid north, but because Mayo is a leader in many types of care and they can afford it. Can I get cheaper care elsewhere? Yes I can. Will it be the same quality when treating my congenital heart defect? Nope, I'm staying where I am.

I think the gist of the argument is "Rich people can get excellent health care in America so let's not worry about making sure everyone can get modest healthcare in America."


AKA the "I got mine, fark you!" argument.
 
2013-02-18 01:24:06 PM  
on an unrelated note, we had a blizzard recently, therefore global warming is also a liberal boogeyman.

/threadjack or analogy?
//or trollin'?
 
2013-02-18 01:36:18 PM  

NewWorldDan: So Gerry Adams can come to the US for healthcare but some Canadian with a 25 year old marijuana possesion charge from when he was 19 can't go to the Superbowl?  USA! USA! USA!


I was unaware that watching football was a necessity.
 
2013-02-18 02:11:31 PM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Note: When money is not an issue and you are paying upfront for medical care then you are experiencing healthcare in the US, not the US healthcare system.


That's actually a very good point and I think it bears repeating... Healthcare in the US is fine, the system that surrounds it is irredeemably broken.
 
2013-02-18 02:13:15 PM  
This is in retaliation for Payton Manning's Euro procedure...
 
2013-02-18 03:02:39 PM  
One man's terrorist etc etc etc.
 
2013-02-18 03:18:25 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: NewWorldDan: So Gerry Adams can come to the US for healthcare but some Canadian with a 25 year old marijuana possesion charge from when he was 19 can't go to the Superbowl?  USA! USA! USA!

I was unaware that watching football was a necessity.


Then you're obviously not a Real American!

/sarc
 
2013-02-18 03:19:06 PM  

Nobodyn0se: 60-85 thousand people come to the US for medical treatment every year, it's true.

But 750,000 people have to leave the US every year to get medical treatment.

750k > 60-85k


Cite? And does that include just getting prescriptions filled, and bargain cosmetic surgery?
 
2013-02-18 03:53:46 PM  
If money is no object, the US has some of the best health care the world has to offer.  Just be sure to bring plenty of cash.  Low eight figures should do it nicely.
 
2013-02-18 06:10:48 PM  
Just to reiterate: We have the BEST healthcare in the world, not the most available. But most people don't need the best healthcare on a daily basis.
 
2013-02-18 07:36:11 PM  

yelmrog: One man's terrorist etc etc etc.


Is still a terrorist when he orders the bombing of school kids walking home with their mothers and then gets another bomb to blow up when the emergency responders turn up. Of course of Al Queda uses those tactics and someone came on here defending them, they get called a jackass for it.

Nowadays though the IRA are more into money laundering and drug smuggling, while just a few of the breakaway wings doing more terror related stuff.
 
2013-02-18 08:59:30 PM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Note: When money is not an issue and you are paying upfront for medical care then you are experiencing healthcare in the US, not the US healthcare system.


Marcus Aurelius: If money is no object, the US has some of the best health care the world has to offer.  Just be sure to bring plenty of cash.  Low eight figures should do it nicely.


Gyrfalcon: Just to reiterate: We have the BEST healthcare in the world, not the most available. But most people don't need the best healthcare on a daily basis.


THIS, THIS, and THIS.  I'm so sick of hearing this stupid line, especially coming from people who are an injury or even moderately serious illness away from bankruptcy at minimum, and probably bankruptcy followed by premature death due to their asses getting dumped on the street for dead as soon as they can't make payments and their insurance company finds a way to fark them.
 
2013-02-18 10:49:55 PM  

grokca: Umeraken Ideut: This argument is so stupid. There are doctors and hospitals that are top of their field. Just because you CAN get something for free, doesn't mean that particular service, or the best of that service, is available where you are. Here in Rochester, MN we get kings and celebrities of all stripe to the Mayo Clinic, not because they just love coming to the frigid north, but because Mayo is a leader in many types of care and they can afford it. Can I get cheaper care elsewhere? Yes I can. Will it be the same quality when treating my congenital heart defect? Nope, I'm staying where I am.

So they go to the Mayo Clinic looking for a Miracle Trip?


www.flyertalk.com
 
2013-02-19 01:58:43 AM  

Slaxl: the lord god: [nothingtobegainedhere.files.wordpress.com image 850x580]

You idiot.


Proud of my support. Proud of my relatives in prison for their struggle. Proud I made you mad.
 
2013-02-19 04:43:55 AM  

the lord god: Slaxl: the lord god: [nothingtobegainedhere.files.wordpress.com image 850x580]

You idiot.

Proud of my support. Proud of my relatives in prison for their struggle. Proud I made you mad.


You are proud to support terrorist organisations who attack civilian targets?  Noted.
 
2013-02-19 05:05:38 AM  

the lord god: Slaxl: the lord god: [nothingtobegainedhere.files.wordpress.com image 850x580]

You idiot.

Proud of my support. Proud of my relatives in prison for their struggle. Proud I made you mad.


While I'd be proud of relatives who participated in a noble cause, are you proud of the ones who actually did something; or are you proud of the ones who kept on shooting after the IRA declared a cease-fire because they weren't REALLY the IRA?

In other words, were they in it to free Ulster, or were they in it to kill Brits? There's a difference.
 
2013-02-19 03:53:00 PM  

the lord god: Slaxl: the lord god: [nothingtobegainedhere.files.wordpress.com image 850x580]

You idiot.

Proud of my support. Proud of my relatives in prison for their struggle. Proud I made you mad.


Don't misinterpret disappointment for anger. My personal view is 'bad stuff happened, but we have to move on, otherise peace if impossible. You can't keep bringing up crap from the past. Let the people speak. If N. Ireland wants independence them I'm 100% behind them. There's no point in trying to make a fight out of it, otherwise more people will die. Why would you want that? You are an idiot for glorifying the republican struggle while ignoring the reality of the situation. I don't write this for you, because you probably won't understand it, but the other readers will understand my point. If we stop fighting, reason prevails.
 
2013-02-19 07:54:25 PM  
the lord god:

My family in County Louth are cursed with Gerry Adams as a carpetbagger TD. I have an uncle from Belfast who fled the Troubles as a young adult. He met my aunt in London and now lives in the Republic. He is not grateful to the IRA for being driven out. And yes, he was raised a Catholic.

You want to know why the Irish are so gung-ho about the EU and seem to do everything in their power to please Brussels and Strasbourg? Simple---anybody with any brains long ago figured out that Irish independence was a terrible mistake.  Once it is accepted that direct rule from London was the best government Ireland ever had, you can see why direct rule from Brussels is accepted by the Irish so easily. Even most Catholics in Ulster have figured out that Home Rule isn't worth it. At the moment a referendum on re-unification of the North with the Republic would get a YES vote of 20 percent at most.

 Home Rule was Rome Rule. That was the idea. The only people who benefitted from Irish independence were parish-pump politicans who'd have been mediocrities at best in a real country, and their sponsors in the Catholic clergy, who were effectively above the law until the Nineties, ran the madrassahs that passed for the Republic's education system (where Bible stories were taught as history as recently as the Eighties---trust me, I was there) and saw that Ireland's media was among the most tightly controlled in the capitalist world. Anybody else who could leave did. In retrospect it's a wonder they didn't demand emigrants get exit visas and build a Berlin Wall on the Irish border.

By rights the first item on the Irish government's agenda after the plain people of Ireland finally turned on the Church was to ask London's terms for re-unification, and send the Irish Catholic Republic the way of the German Democratic one. The awful truth was that if you wanted to know what Northern Ireland had to look forward to in a United Ireland, you'd have been better off listening to Ian Paisley than Sinn Fein. The Pope is not actually antichrist, of course, but for all the damage the Catholic hierarchy did in the Republic of Ireland, he might as well have been.

It was plastic paddies in North America, most of whom would have had the sense to see through an obvious front organization for the Soviet Union, who were only too happy to give money to obvious IRA fronts so they could keep killing decent people who had the nerve to not want to be lorded over by the Catholic Church. People like you and Mr. Flynn (a well-educated man with the sense to know better) are the reason the Troubles went on as long as they did, long after the street violence of the Sixties had burned itself out everywhere else in the developed world. Without American money the Provos couldn't have managed more than the occasional car bomb (much like the "Real IRA" and "Continuity IRA" today). Sinn Fein only got serious about a ceasefire when President Clinton saw that the money was finally cut off.

If there's indeed a hell I hope you and Mr. Flynn both burn there with Provisional Sinn Fein and the rest of the plastic paddies.

No, really.
 
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