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(Guardian)   Mistrust between Sunni and Shia reaches boiling point in Pakistan. So much for their peace and love of 'I've got you babe'   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 8
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2013-02-18 10:21:55 AM
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I feel sorry for those trapped in the violence over there.  I worked closely with several Pakistanis in my previous job.  All of them were very level-headed, well educated and some of the nicest and most generous people I've met.  When I visited Karachi in April 2012, the city was suffering from a series of general strikes called by the various political parties.  This usually meant no bus or taxi service and the office was sparsely populated.  No real violence or safety issues during these strikes.  A few buses were burned, but that was about it.  I returned in September and all was quiet until the youtube protests started several days after the rest of the region.  Then things got weird.  The live TV feed had footage of the police firing on the protesters and retreating towards the US consulate.  That's when I left.  3 days of violent protests ensued, followed by a national day of peaceful protest (which it was compared to the previous days).  What I noticed were the protesters were the chronically impoverished who had been worked into a froth by their religious leaders.  The line between political party and religious sects were rather blurry.  My co-workers were not part of this and were ashamed that the situation had degraded so.

While I'm no expert, I had conversations with my co-workers about the situation prior to the September violence and their thoughts were that part of the problem is the rampant endemic corruption in the government.  Another part of the problem is that it is easy for the religious leaders to influence the under-educated and chronically poor that their situation is because the West is oppressing them.  I would bet my right nut that 99% of the protesters in Karachi in mid September had never seen the youtube video in question, and 98% of them had never seen youtube.  I'm not sure if more than a handful of them have even seen the internet.  There is some crushing poverty in that part of the world.  It was a major inconvenience when the political parties were calling strikes to protest each other.  It was a question of my safety as an American when the youtube protests started and western interests were at risk, but it was still an "us against the west" mentality.  Now it's Shia versus Sunni -- it will not get better.  It's no longer "the government factions are corrupt" or "the west is oppressing us".  They've gone back to the original operating system code now.  This will not end well.

I hope that my Pakistani friends and former co-workers and their families stay safe.
2013-02-18 12:44:44 PM
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Tyrone Slothrop: vudukungfu: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Big surprise.  They've only been slitting each others throats since the 12th century.

Like good followers of Allah.
Definitely the sort of maniac you want to give aid to and welcome into your country.
If you are FAKING CRAZY.

It's really no different than Protestants and Catholics. One group thinks than the invisible sky wizard only talks to a select group of people, and the other group thinks the wizard talks to everyone.


This.  I asked my Iraqi pastor the difference between sunni and shia.  He said Protestants and Catholics.  Wasn't expecting an answer like that.  He was shia originally, then atheist, evangelical.

At one time his tribe was negotiating with another tribe on something that would benefit them both.  The talks failed.  He said, I knew we couldn't make it because we can't even agree when we both benefit.
2013-02-18 12:12:44 PM
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My rule for civilization:

If you're still fighting as "tribes" in the 21st Century, then the rest of the world doesn't need you. Hurry up and annihilate each other so the rest of us all get more food.
2013-02-18 10:54:18 AM
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vudukungfu: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Big surprise.  They've only been slitting each others throats since the 12th century.

Like good followers of Allah.
Definitely the sort of maniac you want to give aid to and welcome into your country.
If you are FAKING CRAZY.


It's really no different than Protestants and Catholics. One group thinks than the invisible sky wizard only talks to a select group of people, and the other group thinks the wizard talks to everyone.
2013-02-18 10:31:59 AM
1 votes:
I don't understand... how can this be?

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2013-02-18 09:54:44 AM
1 votes:
What a bunch of dumbasses.

Seriously. We'd be better off avoiding that whole region of the world as much as possible.
2013-02-18 09:39:47 AM
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Lt. Cheese Weasel: Big surprise.  They've only been slitting each others throats since the 12th century.


The best case scenario for the world? Sunni and Shia go full nuclear retard on one another.
2013-02-18 08:23:13 AM
1 votes:
Big surprise.  They've only been slitting each others throats since the 12th century.
 
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