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2013-02-18 09:44:35 AM
as soon as i saw Mathew careening down the road in his new motor, i knew he was doomed. i just stared, thinking...no,...no...but it was too late.
 
2013-02-18 09:49:39 AM
Things will be alright as soon as Branson buries Matthew in the Downton Pet Semetary.
 
2013-02-18 09:52:37 AM
I've come to realize that Downton Abbey is just The Sopranos with better clothes and diction.

/Somebody's gonna get whacked!
 
2013-02-18 10:01:08 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Somebody's gonna get whacked!


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Now that the inheritance is fully controlled by my immediate family again, I can have Carson reinstall these "Brake Cables"
 
2013-02-18 10:02:06 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: I've come to realize that Downton Abbey is just The Sopranos with better clothes and diction.

/Somebody's gonna get whacked!


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-18 10:02:56 AM
My interest in this show ended with Matthew.

I was on the fence when they killed off Sybil.

I'm sorry, but what could've been an interesting character show devolved into a soap-opera-like "who make babby, who get jobb, everyone so frustrated" story that kills off characters as soon as they find some sort of happiness.  Yeah, real life, uh huh.  Enough with the emo crap, British people.
 
2013-02-18 10:09:45 AM
he was driving to fast.  just like T.E. Lawrence.
 
2013-02-18 10:10:44 AM
25.media.tumblr.com
Bates used to be a Nazi, and helped plan the final solution. He is way more bad ass than you know.
 
2013-02-18 10:12:07 AM
I was annoyed because apparently the actor who played Matthew knew he wasn't coming back for season 4 and wouldn't even do guest shots. Julian Fellowes knew this and knew he was going to have to kill Matthew and killed Sybil anyway. Sybil's death was completely unnecessary if he knew he was already going to kill another major character. It was just a cheap way to add drama to a show that's already stuffed to the gills with little dramas with a big drama coming around the bend. 
Also, what kind of jerk leaves an immensely popular show. It's not like Downton is 24 episodes a year. How much time can it possibly take from his schedule?
 
2013-02-18 10:15:24 AM
Anyone else think Dan Stevens gives off a major Cary Elwes vibe?
 
2013-02-18 10:16:02 AM

Ivandrago: I was annoyed because apparently the actor who played Matthew knew he wasn't coming back for season 4 and wouldn't even do guest shots. Julian Fellowes knew this and knew he was going to have to kill Matthew and killed Sybil anyway. Sybil's death was completely unnecessary if he knew he was already going to kill another major character. It was just a cheap way to add drama to a show that's already stuffed to the gills with little dramas with a big drama coming around the bend. 
Also, what kind of jerk leaves an immensely popular show. It's not like Downton is 24 episodes a year. How much time can it possibly take from his schedule?


I thought Sybil's death was also because the actress wanted to leave, figuring that there's a place in the movies for someone whose voice isn't strong enough to fake a decent aristocratic British accent.
 
2013-02-18 10:16:58 AM
Why couldn't have been Lord Grantham? He really wore out any good feeling I had toward him, and he is not interesting enough to be a villain.
 
2013-02-18 10:18:20 AM

Ivandrago: I was annoyed because apparently the actor who played Matthew knew he wasn't coming back for season 4 and wouldn't even do guest shots. Julian Fellowes knew this and knew he was going to have to kill Matthew and killed Sybil anyway. Sybil's death was completely unnecessary if he knew he was already going to kill another major character. It was just a cheap way to add drama to a show that's already stuffed to the gills with little dramas with a big drama coming around the bend. 
Also, what kind of jerk leaves an immensely popular show. It's not like Downton is 24 episodes a year. How much time can it possibly take from his schedule?


From everything i have read. Fellows in a control freak on set and is slowly driving away all of the actors.
 
2013-02-18 10:24:18 AM
Watched it last night for the first time- much too soap operish for me.  Why do babies always equal tragedy in these types of shows?  I know these actors wanted to leave- but come on writers, being a little lazy to use the same convention to kill both of them off, isn't it?  Guess I'll just wait for Parade's End to premiere on HBO next week so that I can talk about how awesome it was with people (much better Edwardian drama concerning an aristocratic family).
 
2013-02-18 10:25:43 AM

DeaH: Why couldn't have been Lord Grantham? He really wore out any good feeling I had toward him, and he is not interesting enough to be a villain.


I think Robert's a great character and has a vital role in the show.  He and Carson are reluctant holdovers from a pre-war age.  However, Carson has the luxury of keeping everything status quo--he's downstairs, removed from a lot of the real world.  Meanwhile, Robert has to be dragged by the nose into the present.  "Your estate is losing money!  You're a lousy businessman and a horrible investor!  You put your goddamn class appearances ahead of your daughter's health!"

Robert:  "But...but...the cricket match!  And I heard about this guy Ponzi!"
 
2013-02-18 10:33:36 AM

brigid_fitch: DeaH: Why couldn't have been Lord Grantham? He really wore out any good feeling I had toward him, and he is not interesting enough to be a villain.

I think Robert's a great character and has a vital role in the show.   He and Carson are reluctant holdovers from a pre-war age.  However, Carson has the luxury of keeping everything status quo--he's downstairs, removed from a lot of the real world.  Meanwhile, Robert has to be dragged by the nose into the present.  "Your estate is losing money!  You're a lousy businessman and a horrible investor!  You put your goddamn class appearances ahead of your daughter's health!"

Robert:  "But...but...the cricket match!  And I heard about this guy Ponzi!"


I love the juxtaposition between the two.
 
2013-02-18 10:33:45 AM
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Where's Dick Sargent when you need him??
 
2013-02-18 10:33:48 AM
It made my panties moist.
 
2013-02-18 10:34:27 AM
I can forgive Matthew's death pretty easily as the actor wanted to leave the show. Much more forgivable than say GRRM killing off all the interesting characters until it gets to the point where you really don't give a shiat who sits on the Iron Throne.

Fellowes made Thomas into a sympathetic character in the last couple of episodes. That bit of the story was pretty amazing to watch.
 
2013-02-18 10:40:09 AM

theurge14: My interest in this show ended with Matthew.

I was on the fence when they killed off Sybil.

I'm sorry, but what could've been an interesting character show devolved into a soap-opera-like "who make babby, who get jobb, everyone so frustrated" story that kills off characters as soon as they find some sort of happiness.  Yeah, real life, uh huh.  Enough with the emo crap, British people.


If you watch Game of Thrones and you don't like characters getting killed off you might want to skip season 3.
 
2013-02-18 10:41:16 AM
I don't watch it, but a friend of mine described this season as:

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2013-02-18 10:42:49 AM

mark12A: [www.nndb.com image 255x252]
Where's Dick Sargent when you need him??


Dead?  Now, Ted McGinley.......
 
2013-02-18 10:43:46 AM

bborchar: Watched it last night for the first time- much too soap operish for me.  Why do babies always equal tragedy in these types of shows?  I know these actors wanted to leave- but come on writers, being a little lazy to use the same convention to kill both of them off, isn't it?  Guess I'll just wait for Parade's End to premiere on HBO next week so that I can talk about how awesome it was with people (much better Edwardian drama concerning an aristocratic family).


You're goign to be let down. Parade's End  wasn't nearly as good as I hoped it would be.
 
2013-02-18 10:47:20 AM

brigid_fitch: DeaH: Why couldn't have been Lord Grantham? He really wore out any good feeling I had toward him, and he is not interesting enough to be a villain.

I think Robert's a great character and has a vital role in the show.  He and Carson are reluctant holdovers from a pre-war age.  However, Carson has the luxury of keeping everything status quo--he's downstairs, removed from a lot of the real world.  Meanwhile, Robert has to be dragged by the nose into the present.  "Your estate is losing money!  You're a lousy businessman and a horrible investor!  You put your goddamn class appearances ahead of your daughter's health!"

Robert:  "But...but...the cricket match!  And I heard about this guy Ponzi!"


I do see what you're saying. And I agree that he was an important prop for the transition to the Jazz Age. But he was a prop, not a person. There was so much of Robert not being smart enough this season that, frankly, I am completely over him. I get that we need to see the transitions. But Robert is done. Thank God. (Although with Mathew gone, next season will give us an opportunity to see Robert pull the same ole over and over again. If that is the case...no.  Frankly, I think Manor House had a far better representation of why the Edwardian were their very own death warrant in the modern age.)
 
2013-02-18 10:48:11 AM
Downton Abbey-Sons of Anarchy crossover show, perhaps.

"They took our baby!"
 
2013-02-18 10:48:19 AM

astro716: I thought Sybil's death was also because the actress wanted to leave, figuring that there's a place in the movies for someone whose voice isn't strong enough to fake a decent aristocratic British accent.


Sorry, but she's too hot to have to bother with silly accents.
 
2013-02-18 10:49:20 AM
What was Fellowes supposed to do.  Both actors wanted out of the show.  His choices were to kill them or contrive some story to explain their absences ("Matthew is away tending to business.  Forever!"  "Sybil is in Zaire feeding hungry children!").  The latter option would have doomed the Branson and Mary characters, who are central.

It's now set up where Branson has a very interesting character arc, going from idealist revolutionary to practical employer and benevolent, reluctant aristocrat.  As a recovering idealist, I can relate.

Mary gets to struggle with forced independence in a world that is changing rapidly.  Add Rose to the mix and you get some very interesting story possibilities.

It's a drama.  I say enough with the hand-wringing and bring on the next season!
 
2013-02-18 10:55:35 AM
Buzzfeed is rather close to io9 levels of shiattiness.
 
2013-02-18 10:56:14 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Downton Abbey-Sons of Anarchy crossover show, perhaps.

"They took our baby!"


I would watch this.  I would love to see Tig get a hold of Lady Edith.
 
2013-02-18 11:00:56 AM

Carth: bborchar: Watched it last night for the first time- much too soap operish for me.  Why do babies always equal tragedy in these types of shows?  I know these actors wanted to leave- but come on writers, being a little lazy to use the same convention to kill both of them off, isn't it?  Guess I'll just wait for Parade's End to premiere on HBO next week so that I can talk about how awesome it was with people (much better Edwardian drama concerning an aristocratic family).

You're goign to be let down. Parade's End  wasn't nearly as good as I hoped it would be.


I own the blu-rays- I loved it.  It wasn't exactly what I expected, and the first episode and a half are a little uneven.  But after that the story really starts rolling IMO, and I just loved how deep the characters were.  You want to hate Sylvia, but occasionally she showed some vulnerability that showed that she was just as much of a victim of society as Christopher was.  She's such a master manipulator that even the audience is taken in at some points.  I love when characters have multiple layers to their personalities- that's why I was disappointed with Downton Abbey.  It could just be a consequence of having too many characters (and yes, I think there are too many), but it's also lazy writing.  Branson is probably the most complex character on that show, and that's because he is the only one who has been thrown into a situation that he doesn't know how to navigate.  Everyone else seems to be so comfortable in their roles that they sleepwalk right through them.  Maybe Matthew's death with change that, but I doubt it.  Sybil's death seems to have only really affected Branson- everyone else seems to have gotten over it fairly quickly.
 
2013-02-18 11:07:05 AM

some_beer_drinker: as soon as i saw Mathew careening down the road in his new motor, i knew he was doomed. i just stared, thinking...no,...no...but it was too late.


It was so obvious it pissed me off.  Particularly the back and forth cuts between happy family talking about how things are going awesome now - finally! - and Matthew.

Howie Spankowitz: What was Fellowes supposed to do.  Both actors wanted out of the show.  His choices were to kill them or contrive some story to explain their absences ("Matthew is away tending to business.  Forever!"  "Sybil is in Zaire feeding hungry children!").  The latter option would have doomed the Branson and Mary characters, who are central.

It's now set up where Branson has a very interesting character arc, going from idealist revolutionary to practical employer and benevolent, reluctant aristocrat.  As a recovering idealist, I can relate.

Mary gets to struggle with forced independence in a world that is changing rapidly.  Add Rose to the mix and you get some very interesting story possibilities.

It's a drama.  I say enough with the hand-wringing and bring on the next season!


The foreshadowing leading up to Matthew's death was obvious in retrospect.  And you're right, the actor wanted out and Matthew sure as hell wasn't going to leave Mary.  I just think the death scene could have been executed (sorry) better.

Sybil's death was done well.  As for not affecting the other characters, didn't the Cora/Lord Grantham death blaming things go on through the next episode?  And Cora referenced Sybil when talking about Rose?  Eh, whatever.

I like Branson too.  The SO is a (second gen) Irish former socialist (still believes in the ideals but a bit disillusioned about the movement), so apparently I've got a type.
 
2013-02-18 11:19:01 AM

DeaH: I do see what you're saying. And I agree that he was an important prop for the transition to the Jazz Age. But he was a prop, not a person. There was so much of Robert not being smart enough this season that, frankly, I am completely over him. I get that we need to see the transitions. But Robert is done. Thank God. (Although with Mathew gone, next season will give us an opportunity to see Robert pull the same ole over and over again. If that is the case...no. Frankly, I think Manor House had a far better representation of why the Edwardian were their very own death warrant in the modern age.)


I think he's going to be much more flexible this coming season because of what "Shrimpie" told him in last nights episode. Robert, up until that point, thought that Matthew and Tom's management of Downton and the modernization was going to be the ruin of the family and the estate. He didn't really appreciate what had happened until someone of his own class, that he'd growing up with, who even had a doppelganger household, told him that he was utterly broke. That he might have even saved his fortune had he modernized like Robert did. I'm thinking he's going to take this validation and let the business end of the estate handle itself in Banson's capable hands. It depends on how he deals with the family appreciating modern art, jazz music, and Edith's pending shenanigans.
 
2013-02-18 11:25:03 AM

LeafyGreens: I can forgive Matthew's death pretty easily as the actor wanted to leave the show. Much more forgivable than say GRRM killing off all the interesting characters until it gets to the point where you really don't give a shiat who sits on the Iron Throne.

Fellowes made Thomas into a sympathetic character in the last couple of episodes. That bit of the story was pretty amazing to watch.


It was *better* to watch because there were hints of him having a heart before.  Particularly with the blind soldier at the hospital.  Maybe just then.

/guess who has two thumbs and who stayed inside sick all this weekend while watching a lot of Downton?
 
2013-02-18 11:27:04 AM
Anyone else see Rose and Branson hooking up next season?
 
2013-02-18 11:27:48 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Downton Abbey-Sons of Anarchy crossover show, perhaps.

"They took our baby!"


I made a Doctor Who-Downton Abbey crossover joke in an IRC and some humorless Whovian took issue.  Dunno, but IMO Daleks are just what Downton needs.
 
2013-02-18 11:28:54 AM

Tax Boy: HotIgneous Intruder: Somebody's gonna get whacked!

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Now that the inheritance is fully controlled by my immediate family again, I can have Carson reinstall these "Brake Cables"


As Byron once said: "Mo money, Mo quandaries".
 
2013-02-18 11:29:31 AM

Pincy: Anyone else see Rose and Branson hooking up next season?


Yep  I said this last night to my wife.  Rose will be trouble for Branson   My other weird theory is that Branson and Mary will marry for the good of the family line.
 
2013-02-18 11:34:41 AM

StrikitRich: Things will be alright as soon as Branson buries Matthew in the Downton Pet Semetary.

stays shirtless for all of season 4.

FTFM.
 
2013-02-18 11:36:46 AM

Ivandrago: I was annoyed because apparently the actor who played Matthew knew he wasn't coming back for season 4 and wouldn't even do guest shots. Julian Fellowes knew this and knew he was going to have to kill Matthew and killed Sybil anyway. Sybil's death was completely unnecessary if he knew he was already going to kill another major character. It was just a cheap way to add drama to a show that's already stuffed to the gills with little dramas with a big drama coming around the bend. 
Also, what kind of jerk leaves an immensely popular show. It's not like Downton is 24 episodes a year. How much time can it possibly take from his schedule?


I was upset at Sybil's death as well.  However, I did read that the actress, Jessica Brown-Findlay, wanted to do other things.  Dan Stevens is currently starring on Broadway with Jessica Chastain.  Not all actors want to portray the same character for 10+ years.
 
2013-02-18 11:42:46 AM

StrikitRich: I made a Doctor Who-Downton Abbey crossover joke in an IRC and some humorless Whovian took issue. Dunno, but IMO Daleks are just what Downton needs.


So, the Doctor plops down in front of the estate, sees a forlorn Edith (it could be any point in the show) and exclaim "C'mon Blondie!"

Her column certainly would be more interesting after that.
 
2013-02-18 12:09:42 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: some_beer_drinker: as soon as i saw Mathew careening down the road in his new motor, i knew he was doomed. i just stared, thinking...no,...no...but it was too late.

It was so obvious it pissed me off.  Particularly the back and forth cuts between happy family talking about how things are going awesome now - finally! - and Matthew.

Howie Spankowitz: What was Fellowes supposed to do.  Both actors wanted out of the show.  His choices were to kill them or contrive some story to explain their absences ("Matthew is away tending to business.  Forever!"  "Sybil is in Zaire feeding hungry children!").  The latter option would have doomed the Branson and Mary characters, who are central.

It's now set up where Branson has a very interesting character arc, going from idealist revolutionary to practical employer and benevolent, reluctant aristocrat.  As a recovering idealist, I can relate.

Mary gets to struggle with forced independence in a world that is changing rapidly.  Add Rose to the mix and you get some very interesting story possibilities.

It's a drama.  I say enough with the hand-wringing and bring on the next season!

The foreshadowing leading up to Matthew's death was obvious in retrospect.  And you're right, the actor wanted out and Matthew sure as hell wasn't going to leave Mary.  I just think the death scene could have been executed (sorry) better.


I agree to an extent.  Of course, the whole ironic tragedy thing has been done to death (sorry), but he's got to get killed somehow and it would have been even more contrived had he dies in some falling down a mine shaft or getting shot in the face or getting shot in the face while hunting kind of way.  Car accident.  Plausible, tragic, quick, done.  I can see why they did it this way.

Sybil's death was done well.  As for not affecting the other characters, didn't the Cora/Lord Grantham death blaming things go on through the next episode?  And Cora referenced Sybil when talking about Rose?  Eh, whatever.

I like Branson too.  The SO is a (second gen) Irish former socialist (still believes in the ideals but a bit disillusioned about the movement), so apparently I've got a type.


Really great acting in last night's episode by both Allen Leech and Phyllis Logan (who is underrated and always excellent in this role) at the end.  I married an MBA.  I'm her former Irish socialist.
 
2013-02-18 12:14:20 PM

Lee's_Austin: Anyone else think Dan Stevens gives off a major Cary Elwes vibe?


That's what the show needs. Cary farking Elwes.

I'd never stop watching. Never.
 
2013-02-18 12:26:29 PM

Pincy: Anyone else see Rose and Branson hooking up next season?


No.  Branson and Thomas.

/NTTAWWT
 
2013-02-18 12:29:13 PM

Galileo's Daughter: Ivandrago:
I was upset at Sybil's death as well.  However, I did read that the actress, Jessica Brown-Findlay, wanted to do other things.  Dan Stevens is currently starring on Broadway with Jessica Chastain.  Not all actors want to portray the same character for 10+ years.


That Broadway show closed a little over a week ago.  I'm curious what Dan Stevens will do now.
 
2013-02-18 12:36:09 PM

Mad Scientist: Galileo's Daughter: Ivandrago:
I was upset at Sybil's death as well.  However, I did read that the actress, Jessica Brown-Findlay, wanted to do other things.  Dan Stevens is currently starring on Broadway with Jessica Chastain.  Not all actors want to portray the same character for 10+ years.

That Broadway show closed a little over a week ago.  I'm curious what Dan Stevens will do now.


Leading man good looks.  Acting chops.  More range and likability than Hugh Grant (pre-whore).  I could see him as a lead in romantic comedies or as a dashing villain in a Bond or Bourne flick.
 
2013-02-18 12:51:54 PM

KatjaMouse: StrikitRich: I made a Doctor Who-Downton Abbey crossover joke in an IRC and some humorless Whovian took issue. Dunno, but IMO Daleks are just what Downton needs.

So, the Doctor plops down in front of the estate, sees a forlorn Edith (it could be any point in the show) and exclaim "C'mon Blondie!"

Her column certainly would be more interesting after that.


And her grandchild would be a young, Sarah Jane Smith.

And now you know, the rest of the story.
 
2013-02-18 12:54:26 PM

Galileo's Daughter: Dan Stevens is currently starring on Broadway with Jessica Chastain. Not all actors want to portray the same character for 10+ years.


I saw the production last month. It was very good and I was really glad to have caught it when I did.
 
2013-02-18 01:11:27 PM

KatjaMouse: StrikitRich: I made a Doctor Who-Downton Abbey crossover joke in an IRC and some humorless Whovian took issue. Dunno, but IMO Daleks are just what Downton needs.

So, the Doctor plops down in front of the estate, sees a forlorn Edith (it could be any point in the show) and exclaim "C'mon Blondie!"

Her column certainly would be more interesting after that.


Exactly
 
2013-02-18 01:38:07 PM

KatjaMouse: DeaH: I do see what you're saying. And I agree that he was an important prop for the transition to the Jazz Age. But he was a prop, not a person. There was so much of Robert not being smart enough this season that, frankly, I am completely over him. I get that we need to see the transitions. But Robert is done. Thank God. (Although with Mathew gone, next season will give us an opportunity to see Robert pull the same ole over and over again. If that is the case...no. Frankly, I think Manor House had a far better representation of why the Edwardian were their very own death warrant in the modern age.)

I think he's going to be much more flexible this coming season because of what "Shrimpie" told him in last nights episode. Robert, up until that point, thought that Matthew and Tom's management of Downton and the modernization was going to be the ruin of the family and the estate. He didn't really appreciate what had happened until someone of his own class, that he'd growing up with, who even had a doppelganger household, told him that he was utterly broke. That he might have even saved his fortune had he modernized like Robert did. I'm thinking he's going to take this validation and let the business end of the estate handle itself in Banson's capable hands. It depends on how he deals with the family appreciating modern art, jazz music, and Edith's pending shenanigans.


If that's the way it goes, I could live with that. And poor, poor Edith.
 
2013-02-18 01:39:26 PM
If you watch Game of Thrones and you don't like characters getting killed off you might want to skip season 3.


/Stockpiling tissue for GoT Season 3
/Sherlock, Downton Abbey, and Game of Thrones threaten to dehydrate me
 
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