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(Pro Football Talk)   Designer of the Dallas Cowboys star logo dies age 89. Cleveland Browns still continue to leave their helmets blank so no one knows where they are from   (profootballtalk.nbcsports.com) divider line 42
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2013-02-18 09:30:12 AM
So before this guy, no one had ever seen a five pointed star?
 
2013-02-18 09:37:17 AM
The Browns have that guy who got cut from the Rice Crispies box.
 
2013-02-18 09:37:25 AM

beerrun: So before this guy, no one had ever seen a five pointed star?


Well, it's a certain size, you see.  And the colors...  don't forget the colors.  There's two, I think.
 
2013-02-18 09:42:40 AM
We're likely updating our uniforms to... well, to SOMETHING for the 2014 season.  The blank helmets will stay though, because Browns fans are hungup on "tradition" that died when the real team moved to Baltimore.

Personally I'd vote for a new logo (whatever it may be) on one side of the helmet a la our "rivals"/overlords the Steelers... perhaps on the other side though.  I think that gives nods to tradition (blank side), rivalry (one side), and anti-Steelers-ism (logo on other side).

media.cleveland.com

/I like these fan-made ones, including the updated elf logo
//oh I'm sorry, was this a Browns thread?  We get so few that aren't picking on Weeden
///*sob*
 
2013-02-18 09:51:32 AM
i think a big block C on the helmets would look nice, something like Syracuse's
something simple
 
2013-02-18 09:54:17 AM

LSUMJ: i think a big block C on the helmets would look nice, something like Syracuse's
something simple


Too similar to da Bears
 
2013-02-18 09:57:15 AM
Pretty sure God designed stars, subby. Intelligently.
 
2013-02-18 10:03:50 AM
Can you really fault the Browns?
 
2013-02-18 10:13:18 AM

The Dreaded Rear Admiral: We're likely updating our uniforms to... well, to SOMETHING for the 2014 season.  The blank helmets will stay though, because Browns fans are hungup on "tradition" that died when the real team moved to Baltimore.

Personally I'd vote for a new logo (whatever it may be) on one side of the helmet a la our "rivals"/overlords the Steelers... perhaps on the other side though.  I think that gives nods to tradition (blank side), rivalry (one side), and anti-Steelers-ism (logo on other side).

[media.cleveland.com image 799x679]

/I like these fan-made ones, including the updated elf logo
//oh I'm sorry, was this a Browns thread?  We get so few that aren't picking on Weeden
///*sob*


For what it's worth, I agree with your sentiment. The Browns' look is synonymous with decades of failure, it's stuck in the 60s, and the team needs a new identity.  Sometimes you have to let tradition go and forge a new direction.  As a Broncos fan, I can relate; we were all very upset when the classic look was discarded for the current look, but since the classic look was synonymous with four absolutely brutal Super Bowl losses and decades of shame, it was time to change it up.  And hell, we immediately won two Super Bowls.

Not saying that's what would happen with the Browns, but it sure couldn't hurt.
 
2013-02-18 10:13:50 AM

beerrun: So before this guy, no one had ever seen a five pointed star?


Not in Texas, apparently.
 
2013-02-18 10:27:25 AM

lifeboat: beerrun: So before this guy, no one had ever seen a five pointed star?

Well, it's a certain size, you see.  And the colors...  don't forget the colors.  There's two, I think.


And orientation... he could have had that star turned in any of 360 degrees.

//Granted, after 72 degrees it's just wasted effort...
 
2013-02-18 10:28:04 AM
And also, nothing says COWBOY quite like a star.
 
2013-02-18 10:39:31 AM

beerrun: So before this guy, no one had ever seen a five pointed star?


He didn't design "a star," he designed the logo. Yes, it's a star. With a white stripe & another blue stripe. It is one of the most recognizable & unchanged logos in all of sports.

stonicus: And also, nothing says COWBOY quite like a star.


Texas. We like our stars. They are big & bright. I'm having a hard time coming up with a professional Texas team without a star in its logo. The Rockets don't have one, but rockets go to space, so close enough.
 
2013-02-18 10:54:00 AM
img843.imageshack.us
 
2013-02-18 10:55:31 AM

The Dreaded Rear Admiral: We're likely updating our uniforms to... well, to SOMETHING for the 2014 season.  The blank helmets will stay though, because Browns fans are hungup on "tradition" that died when the real team moved to Baltimore.

Personally I'd vote for a new logo (whatever it may be) on one side of the helmet a la our "rivals"/overlords the Steelers... perhaps on the other side though.  I think that gives nods to tradition (blank side), rivalry (one side), and anti-Steelers-ism (logo on other side).

[media.cleveland.com image 799x679]

/I like these fan-made ones, including the updated elf logo
//oh I'm sorry, was this a Browns thread?  We get so few that aren't picking on Weeden
///*sob*


That elf logo is hideous.  He looks like Quasimodo and he is about to fumble..actually that makes it the perfect Browns logo...carry on
 
2013-02-18 11:17:26 AM

ExpressPork: That elf logo is hideous. He looks like Quasimodo and he is about to fumble


I like how his arm seems to be rotated 180 degrees in the wrong direction.
 
2013-02-18 11:24:55 AM
What a real Cleveland Browns helmet looks like:

www.americansportscollectibles.com
 
2013-02-18 11:28:07 AM

MikeSass: What a real Cleveland Browns helmet looks like:

[www.americansportscollectibles.com image 500x500]


Too soon, man. Too soon.
 
2013-02-18 11:58:11 AM

ExpressPork: The Dreaded Rear Admiral: We're likely updating our uniforms to... well, to SOMETHING for the 2014 season.  The blank helmets will stay though, because Browns fans are hungup on "tradition" that died when the real team moved to Baltimore.

Personally I'd vote for a new logo (whatever it may be) on one side of the helmet a la our "rivals"/overlords the Steelers... perhaps on the other side though.  I think that gives nods to tradition (blank side), rivalry (one side), and anti-Steelers-ism (logo on other side).

[media.cleveland.com image 799x679]

/I like these fan-made ones, including the updated elf logo
//oh I'm sorry, was this a Browns thread?  We get so few that aren't picking on Weeden
///*sob*

That elf logo is hideous.  He looks like Quasimodo and he is about to fumble..actually that makes it the perfect Browns logo...carry on


Ouch.

I dunno. I like it. It's not for everyone I admit, but few team logos are universally praised and the ones that are only are so because they've existed for decades. The Browns at least need -A- logo. The helmet by itself as a logo is just awful.
 
2013-02-18 12:08:25 PM
Haslam has proved that he doesn't care much about the whining of the fans...  He sold the naming rights to the stadium, as well as putting a roof on it, he fired all the coaches...

As long as he doesn't move the team to another city, Cleveland fans really have no right to complain... Things haven't worked right since Marty Schottenheimer was the coach... so a guy doing things his own way can't be any worse.
 
2013-02-18 12:17:59 PM

The Dreaded Rear Admiral: ExpressPork: The Dreaded Rear Admiral: We're likely updating our uniforms to... well, to SOMETHING for the 2014 season.  The blank helmets will stay though, because Browns fans are hungup on "tradition" that died when the real team moved to Baltimore.

Personally I'd vote for a new logo (whatever it may be) on one side of the helmet a la our "rivals"/overlords the Steelers... perhaps on the other side though.  I think that gives nods to tradition (blank side), rivalry (one side), and anti-Steelers-ism (logo on other side).

[media.cleveland.com image 799x679]

/I like these fan-made ones, including the updated elf logo
//oh I'm sorry, was this a Browns thread?  We get so few that aren't picking on Weeden
///*sob*

That elf logo is hideous.  He looks like Quasimodo and he is about to fumble..actually that makes it the perfect Browns logo...carry on

Ouch.

I dunno. I like it. It's not for everyone I admit, but few team logos are universally praised and the ones that are only are so because they've existed for decades. The Browns at least need -A- logo. The helmet by itself as a logo is just awful.


The new uniforms should include a helmet the blank helmet logo on it. It's meta.

Seriously though. The Browns don't have a real logo, a real mascot, or a real QB.
 
2013-02-18 12:27:23 PM

T.rex: Haslam has proved that he doesn't care much about the whining of the fans...  He sold the naming rights to the stadium, as well as putting a roof on it, he fired all the coaches...

As long as he doesn't move the team to another city, Cleveland fans really have no right to complain... Things haven't worked right since Marty Schottenheimer was the coach... so a guy doing things his own way can't be any worse.


When was the last time the team fielded a squad even close to the salary cap?

If that doesn't change, I'd be an unhappy fan. Especially considering that the new owner has already made a questionable coaching pick, and is now leaving daily operations to go back to being a truck stop CEO.
 
2013-02-18 12:31:17 PM

MikeSass: What a real Cleveland Browns helmet looks like:

[www.americansportscollectibles.com image 500x500]


BWAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!

+1
 
2013-02-18 12:35:01 PM
Will the Eskridge viewing feature TO standing on his body in the casket?
 
2013-02-18 01:32:18 PM
Someone had to design that? It's a farking star
 
2013-02-18 01:51:55 PM
Cleveland Browns still continue to leave their helmets blank so no one knows where they are from

Baltimore?
 
2013-02-18 01:55:52 PM

abhorrent1: Someone had to design that? It's a farking star


Chicago's just a C, Green Bay's just a G, Indy's just a horseshoe, and New Orleans is just a Fleur-de-Lis.
 
2013-02-18 02:17:17 PM

The Dreaded Rear Admiral: but few team logos are universally praised and the ones that are only are so because they've existed for decades.


Oh you mean like the Cowboys
 
2013-02-18 02:21:02 PM
Also, there is this thing that someone sent me a while back. It is AWESOME

All the NFL logos from forever. Guess who's had their current logo the longest.

Go on. Guess.
 
2013-02-18 02:42:02 PM

Di Atribe: Also, there is this thing that someone sent me a while back. It is AWESOME

All the NFL logos from forever. Guess who's had their current logo the longest.

Go on. Guess.


How is the raiders logo even different at the end there? Because from what I can see, they're the same. Slight grey color shift?

Same question about the last 2 Steeler logos.
 
2013-02-18 02:42:10 PM

Di Atribe: Also, there is this thing that someone sent me a while back. It is AWESOME

All the NFL logos from forever. Guess who's had their current logo the longest.

Go on. Guess.


Very cool graph...I had no idea that the original 49ers original logo was so full of win!


farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-02-18 02:43:49 PM

Di Atribe: The Dreaded Rear Admiral: but few team logos are universally praised and the ones that are only are so because they've existed for decades.

Oh you mean like the Cowboys


Hey man, not knocking the Cowboys. They may be fargin cocksmokers, but they have sweet sweet unis.
 
2013-02-18 03:28:31 PM

Di Atribe: All the NFL logos from forever. Guess who's had their current logo the longest.


The Dallas Texans original logo is what people actually think of when they think of Texas.

Also, I'm making this up but it might be right - if the Redskins' logo got flipped backwards and the feathers weren't as stiff because of the strike (it was only used that year), then that's amazing and I like it. Except it seems really weird that they went to the R early in the '70s and then said "ah, you know what? Let's put that Native American fella back in the logo. That seems like a great idea."
 
2013-02-18 03:41:41 PM

IAmRight: The Dallas Texans original logo is what people actually think of when they think of Texas.


Ummmmm....

i27.photobucket.com

I don't think that's right.
 
2013-02-18 07:52:57 PM

Di Atribe: Also, there is this thing that someone sent me a while back. It is AWESOME

All the NFL logos from forever. Guess who's had their current logo the longest.

Go on. Guess.


That's kinda cool, but I'd say several are from 1960 or so. Adding a line or something simple is a change, but I wouldn't say it's drastic enough to call it different.
Green Bay put a yellow outline on. Same logo.  Cowboys outlined a star, but I'd call it a bigger change. Mainly because if I saw the two Dallas logos on different days I'd remember them being different. Who'd notice the Packers change if they're not beside eachother?

Dolphins have had the same logo forever with a few tweaks or updates.
I'd consider the Cards to have 4 changed logos, then tweaked the same logo twice, then redesign the logo most recently. That last one, along with the recent Falcons change, treading the line between update & redesign.

I like over-thinking shiat like this.
Changed
Redesigned - same concept, but enough change to be immediately noticeable
Updated - same logo but with better lines, colors, etc. Not immediately noticeable
Tweaked - can't distinguish unless new & old are side-by-side.
No Change
 
2013-02-18 09:03:38 PM

bionicjoe: Di Atribe: Also, there is this thing that someone sent me a while back. It is AWESOME

All the NFL logos from forever. Guess who's had their current logo the longest.

Go on. Guess.

That's kinda cool, but I'd say several are from 1960 or so. Adding a line or something simple is a change, but I wouldn't say it's drastic enough to call it different.
Green Bay put a yellow outline on. Same logo.  Cowboys outlined a star, but I'd call it a bigger change. Mainly because if I saw the two Dallas logos on different days I'd remember them being different. Who'd notice the Packers change if they're not beside eachother?

Dolphins have had the same logo forever with a few tweaks or updates.
I'd consider the Cards to have 4 changed logos, then tweaked the same logo twice, then redesign the logo most recently. That last one, along with the recent Falcons change, treading the line between update & redesign.

I like over-thinking shiat like this.
Changed
Redesigned - same concept, but enough change to be immediately noticeable
Updated - same logo but with better lines, colors, etc. Not immediately noticeable
Tweaked - can't distinguish unless new & old are side-by-side.
No Change


I can't tell the difference between Patriots '65-'70 and Patriots '71-'92.  Anyone care to enlighten me?
 
2013-02-18 09:20:51 PM

Slow To Return: bionicjoe: Di Atribe: Also, there is this thing that someone sent me a while back. It is AWESOME

All the NFL logos from forever. Guess who's had their current logo the longest.

Go on. Guess.

That's kinda cool, but I'd say several are from 1960 or so. Adding a line or something simple is a change, but I wouldn't say it's drastic enough to call it different.
Green Bay put a yellow outline on. Same logo.  Cowboys outlined a star, but I'd call it a bigger change. Mainly because if I saw the two Dallas logos on different days I'd remember them being different. Who'd notice the Packers change if they're not beside eachother?

Dolphins have had the same logo forever with a few tweaks or updates.
I'd consider the Cards to have 4 changed logos, then tweaked the same logo twice, then redesign the logo most recently. That last one, along with the recent Falcons change, treading the line between update & redesign.

I like over-thinking shiat like this.
Changed
Redesigned - same concept, but enough change to be immediately noticeable
Updated - same logo but with better lines, colors, etc. Not immediately noticeable
Tweaked - can't distinguish unless new & old are side-by-side.
No Change

I can't tell the difference between Patriots '65-'70 and Patriots '71-'92.  Anyone care to enlighten me?


Just a minor color change of the red, blue, and skin tone, from what I can tell.
 
2013-02-18 09:28:30 PM

Slow To Return: I can't tell the difference between Patriots '65-'70 and Patriots '71-'92.  Anyone care to enlighten me?


Nothing.  Actually, you'll notice that there's a few teams that moved or some such shiat that have that going on (Tennessee Oilers, LA Rams, etc.).  The Patriots became the "New England" Patriots in 1971, think that's about it.

bionicjoe: Di Atribe: Also, there is this thing that someone sent me a while back. It is AWESOME

All the NFL logos from forever. Guess who's had their current logo the longest.

Go on. Guess.

That's kinda cool, but I'd say several are from 1960 or so. Adding a line or something simple is a change, but I wouldn't say it's drastic enough to call it different.
Green Bay put a yellow outline on. Same logo.  Cowboys outlined a star, but I'd call it a bigger change. Mainly because if I saw the two Dallas logos on different days I'd remember them being different. Who'd notice the Packers change if they're not beside eachother?

Dolphins have had the same logo forever with a few tweaks or updates.
I'd consider the Cards to have 4 changed logos, then tweaked the same logo twice, then redesign the logo most recently. That last one, along with the recent Falcons change, treading the line between update & redesign.

I like over-thinking shiat like this.
Changed
Redesigned - same concept, but enough change to be immediately noticeable
Updated - same logo but with better lines, colors, etc. Not immediately noticeable
Tweaked - can't distinguish unless new & old are side-by-side.
No Change


This too.  The Colts haven't ever changed their *helmet* logos, just stopped using the bucking colt logo.  It's a bit of a matter of semantics with a lot of those.

\random side note on that: Never noticed before that the original Chief logo is in the same pose as the original Texan logo, just different persons/weapons.
 
2013-02-19 12:45:21 AM

lifeboat: beerrun: So before this guy, no one had ever seen a five pointed star?

Well, it's a certain size, you see.  And the colors...  don't forget the colors.  There's two, I think.


I was going to say that at the very least the Soviet Union, Betsy Ross... and perhaps Mohammed might want to have a word.
 
2013-02-19 11:19:48 AM

Di Atribe: Also, there is this thing that someone sent me a while back. It is AWESOME

All the NFL logos from forever. Guess who's had their current logo the longest.

Go on. Guess.


Da Bears?
 
2013-02-19 01:04:53 PM

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: Di Atribe: Also, there is this thing that someone sent me a while back. It is AWESOME

All the NFL logos from forever. Guess who's had their current logo the longest.

Go on. Guess.

Da Bears?


NO
 
2013-02-19 01:53:25 PM

Slow To Return: I can't tell the difference between Patriots '65-'70 and Patriots '71-'92.  Anyone care to enlighten me?


I have the same problem with the Raiders. The last two are the same, so are they just skipping the LA Raiders altogether? If so it's odd to do that. The Colts, Cards & Rams moved, and the Browns are really 2 different franchises.
 
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