I just have to disagree with the headline, as the tracks they cut together were Tony Sheridan tracks, with the Beatles not credited as they were simply hired guns.

NP: "My Bonnie"

Here's hoping the new Pope names himself after the right two Beatles this time.

/Tony-Bert or George-Ringo, but we know he can't be Pete

Does this mean we'll be treated to yet another catalog re-release of the Beratles, now featuring 2 minutes of never before footage of Ringo picking his nose in the recording studio because he didn't realize the tape was still rolling?

I read about this via my local Craigslist Musicians forum.  Someone posting as his guitar player posted a brief obituary.

/CSB?

MightyPez: the Beratles,

That would be awesome.

MightyPez: Does this mean we'll be treated to yet another catalog re-release of the Beratles, now featuring 2 minutes of never before footage of Ringo picking his nose in the recording studio because he didn't realize the tape was still rolling?

No, as the Tony Sheridan masters are owned by someone other than the Beatles.

I know you're trolling, but the Beatles catalog has only been remastered/rerelased twice: once in 1987, when it was released on CD and again in the last couple of years.

Compare that to something like the Rolling Stones Records catalog, which has been rerealsed at least four times (each time they've changed record companies) in the last 25 years.  And that doesn't include the masters ABKCO own.

Dwight_Yeast: I just have to disagree with the headline, as the tracks they cut together were Tony Sheridan tracks, with the Beatles not credited as they were simply hired guns.

The first single, My Bonnie b/w The Saints, was credited to "Tony Sheridan and the Beat Brothers" on first release in Germany (1961). The UK release was credited as "Tony Sheridan and the Beatles" (1962).

(Everything else, including the US release of My Bonnie, dates from after the Beatles were famous, so naturally is credited to them in some form).

czetie: (Everything else, including the US release of My Bonnie, dates from after the Beatles were famous, so naturally is credited to them in some form).

...and for the last fifty(!) years, all the Tony Sheridan tracks have been mislabeled (intentionally) as "The Beatles featuring tony sheridan" in order to sell records.

Dwight_Yeast: I know you're trolling, but the Beatles catalog has only been remastered/rerelased twice: once in 1987, when it was released on CD and again in the last couple of years.

Trolling my ass, every 3-4 years someone decides to release something Beatles related and it's advertised/talked about for months.

Dwight_Yeast: czetie: (Everything else, including the US release of My Bonnie, dates from after the Beatles were famous, so naturally is credited to them in some form).

...and for the last fifty(!) years, all the Tony Sheridan tracks have been mislabeled (intentionally) as "The Beatles featuring tony sheridan" in order to sell records.

...or even "The Beatles and guests".

But to be completely pedantic, yes, Subby's headline *is* misleading -- it would be more accurate to say that the Beatles were the backing band on Tony Sheridan's track (and were credited as such).

MightyPez: Trolling my ass, every 3-4 years someone decides to release something Beatles related and it's advertised/talked about for months.

Ah, well that would be completely different from "yet another catalog re-release of the Beratles ".

Yes, the Beatles organization tries to have something new ready around Thanksgiving every year, so that they make money at Christmas.  They have to get consent from all all representatives (Paul, Ringo, Yoko and Olivia) so it doesn't happen every year, and there are certain projects which are consistently stonewalled (Let it Be).  But other than the "1" collection, which was released over a decade ago, I can't think of anything they've put out that simply rehashed old material, the way RCA does with the Elvis masters, for instance.

Dwight_Yeast: MightyPez: Trolling my ass, every 3-4 years someone decides to release something Beatles related and it's advertised/talked about for months.

Ah, well that would be completely different from "yet another catalog re-release of the Beratles ".

Yes, the Beatles organization tries to have something new ready around Thanksgiving every year, so that they make money at Christmas.  They have to get consent from all all representatives (Paul, Ringo, Yoko and Olivia) so it doesn't happen every year, and there are certain projects which are consistently stonewalled (Let it Be).  But other than the "1" collection, which was released over a decade ago, I can't think of anything they've put out that simply rehashed old material, the way RCA does with the Elvis masters, for instance.

Ah yes, answering hyperbole with pedantry.

MightyPez: Ah yes, answering hyperbole with pedantry.

So you were trolling.  Good to know.

MightyPez: Dwight_Yeast: MightyPez: Trolling my ass, every 3-4 years someone decides to release something Beatles related and it's advertised/talked about for months.

Ah, well that would be completely different from "yet another catalog re-release of the Beratles ".

Yes, the Beatles organization tries to have something new ready around Thanksgiving every year, so that they make money at Christmas.  They have to get consent from all all representatives (Paul, Ringo, Yoko and Olivia) so it doesn't happen every year, and there are certain projects which are consistently stonewalled (Let it Be).  But other than the "1" collection, which was released over a decade ago, I can't think of anything they've put out that simply rehashed old material, the way RCA does with the Elvis masters, for instance.

Ah yes, answering hyperbole with pedantry.

Actually, I would call Dwight's response very informative and on point.  In fact, I'd say he was remarkably patient in this response to your issues, and through the dialog I actually learned a little something, maybe you did too.

Dwight_Yeast: MightyPez: Ah yes, answering hyperbole with pedantry.

So you were trolling.  Good to know.

It's interesting on Fark that "Hyperbole I don't like" is dismissed as trolling. It's a common staple of the politics tab, to be sure. But it's creeping into other facets of the site.

I mean you yourself said something is released by the organization every year from a group that hasn't made anything original in 40 years. But instead of admitting this right away, we focus on the wording of a hyperbolic statement that echoed the reality of the yearly releases and call it trolling.

The funny part is I don't actually have any problems with the Beatles. They were never my favorite grou, but their impact on music and culture as a whole can't be dismissed. But christ, their fans can be raging sycophantic assholes.

Why such a specific headline? Was there some other Beatles single with a non-Beatle singing lead on it? Or any other Beatles songs with some other non-Beatle lead singer other than Sheridan?

I have this LP of the Sheridan recordings. Not that good.

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I remember it being terrible, and then I found this this morning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l1pJ9mSTsI

whoever remastered it did a hell of a job!

Robert1966: Why such a specific headline? Was there some other Beatles single with a non-Beatle singing lead on it? Or any other Beatles songs with some other non-Beatle lead singer other than Sheridan?

Well, to be pedantic about it, "The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill" on the White Album has Yoko singing lead on one line ("Not when he looked so fierce!"), but it was never released as a single.

Robert1966: Why such a specific headline? Was there some other Beatles single with a non-Beatle singing lead on it? Or any other Beatles songs with some other non-Beatle lead singer other than Sheridan?

Yeah, it could have been phrased a lot more elegantly, e.g. "Tony Sheridan, the only singer to release a record with the Beatles as his backing band, ..."

Dwight_Yeast: I just have to disagree with the headline, as the tracks they cut together were Tony Sheridan tracks, with the Beatles not credited as they were simply hired guns.

NP: "My Bonnie"

Yep...it's like calling My Aim Is True a Clover album that just happens to have some dude named Elvis Costello singing on it.

Also with John, Paul and George but, like the Sheridan sessions, not Ringo:

Cargo: ZeroCorpse: I was going to say Bill Campbell (Faul) counts, but technically, he was a Beatle longer than Paul, since he replaced Paul in 1966 and went on from there.

Oh, come on... You KNOW you believe it.

I know I'll be ridiculed but I really would like to know the story behind that whole thing.  Granted, it could just be all weird coincidences that we're projecting our own beliefs on to, but the entire "list of clues" is really pretty bizarre.  And even unsettling at times.

(E.g., if you listen to the "Cranberry sauce" line at the end of Strawberry Fields on 45 RPM, it actually, clearly says, "I buried Paul."  Why the hell did they do that?)

Here's the wikipedia article about it. I think it's a fun part of the Beatles' mythology, but I never believed any of it. If the Beatles really were trying to cover up the death of one of their members, why would they provide such silly clues to allow anyone to figure it out?

Sheridan was incorrectly reported to have died while performing for American troops during the Vietnam War, after some members of his band were killed by enemy fire.

I've played some rough gigs, but DAYUM

Cargo: There are even theories about that.  Which is my whole point, I guess--why go through all of it (if there's anything really there at all)?

Sorry.  I just have always found the whole thing fascinating.

It is! I think it's a great example of people's desire to find meaning in randomness. A big part of it probably stems from the fact that the Beatles themselves didn't offer a lot of insight into their work until much later, and even when they did, there was this skepticism that their inspiration couldn't possibly have been that mundane (Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds inspired by something as simple as Julian Lennon's drawing of his classmate? No way - a song that amazing and trippy HAD TO have some deeper message).

So at the height of their popularity, people were really grasping at straws to try to find all kinds of secret meanings in their work. And I think the Beatles were just sort of bewildered and amused that people applied all kinds of sophisticated analysis to their lyrics. John said at one point that he deliberately wrote I Am the Walrus with a bunch of nonsense verses to confuse people who were studying his lyrics to find some deeper meaning. They did stuff like that to mess with people who were taking them too seriously.

They always said if they had any message at all as a band, it was just peace and love. That was it - nothing complicated or crazy.

I thought it was funny when Paul released his Paul is Live album in the early '90s that he had all kinds of references to the Paul is Dead clues on the album cover. :)

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R.I.P. John Sheridan

Even after all these years, whenever I read the name Sheridan, I always hear it in Peter Jurasik's voice in my head. I think I need help soonish.

Back on topic, whatever happened to Billy Shears?

Hoopy Frood: Also with John, Paul and George but, like the Sheridan sessions, not Ringo:

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I'm fairly certain I own that

peewinkle: Sheridan was incorrectly reported to have died while performing for American troops during the Vietnam War, after some members of his band were killed by enemy fire.

I've played some rough gigs, but DAYUM

Everyone's a critic.

Dwight_Yeast: I just have to disagree with the headline, as the tracks they cut together were Tony Sheridan tracks, with the Beatles not credited as they were simply hired guns.

NP: "My Bonnie"

The Beatles were credited. My childhood friend inherited that 45 from his brother - rockabilly versions or My Bonnie on one side and When The Saints Go Marching In. Label said Tony Sheridan with The Beatles.