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(Oregon Live)   Republicans choose to spend their political capital by: C) Trying to overturn a school ban on Native American mascots   (oregonlive.com) divider line 35
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2013-02-18 07:53:35 AM
5 votes:
C'mon Indians have no political clout in this country. If you going to denigrate an ethnic group, they're the ones to go with. Right now the repubs can't make fun of blacks or Latinos, much as they'd like to, and they're simply not happy unless they're allowed to feel superior to some despised group or another. Bad enough there's a black president, the repubs now have to pander to the help if they want to win elections. In fact, the modern conservative is going through a severe case of contempt withdrawal. Will nobody think of the racists?
2013-02-18 06:44:49 AM
5 votes:
Dickheads on the prowl again in Oregon. Decent people stand up for tolerance & respect and get shouted at by edgy "conservatives".

Nothing new under the sun.
2013-02-18 06:56:48 AM
4 votes:
As a person with 1/4 Apache heritage through my grandmother, I tend to find most Native American mascots as an honor towards the fighting spirit of the Native Americans. They are the ones who gave us the term "brave" after all, and to brush aside their fearlessness and bravery shown against a stronger and better armed "enemy" should not be forgotten.

Of course one thing I notice what seems to be forgotten is it was the white European Christian settlers that many on the political "right" consider as "traditional Americans", who were the "enemy" stealing the Native Americans' land and attempting a genocide of their culture and people. It is fighting them that gave Native Americans the image of being fearless warriors. I'll bet if you made the teaching of that fact to the student body as a condition of reinstituting the Native American mascots, the Republicans would balk.

That being said, this is just another "wedge issue" that even if the Republicans win absolutely nothing will be accomplished. People will continue to be unemployed, schools will continue to be underfunded, homelessness will continue, crime will not be reduced, etc. This seems to be the Republican's M.O. Go after issues that do nothing to fix the problems you can blame on the "liberal strawman", but allows you to score political points and divide the populace.

With Republicans today It is not about making our nation a better place to live, but rather scorring political points to win the next election while not upsetting their wealthy donors/handlers.
2013-02-18 06:35:43 AM
4 votes:
That laser-like focus on jobs strikes again, I see.
2013-02-18 09:00:04 AM
3 votes:

GoldSpider: Dracolich: It's really racist. These kinds of things may be easier to see from the other side. If you tell us your heritage, we can assist by using it to try to offend you.

I'll be honest, I'm not genuinely offended by the "Fighting Irish" (the championship game notwithstanding) but I'm sure I could muster some outrage if there was some money in it for me.


"Being Irish, I guess I should resent the Notre Dame nickname, "The Fighting Irish." After all, how long do you think nicknames like "The Bargaining Jews" or "The Murdering Italians" would last? Only the ironic Irish could be so naively honest. I get the feeling that Notre Dame came real close to naming itself "The farkin' Drunken, Thick-skulled, Brawling, Short-dicked Irish." - George Carlin
2013-02-18 06:55:52 AM
3 votes:

shotglasss: Shouldn't we just leave this fake debate about Indians to a fake Indian like Elezabeth Warren?


It makes me smile that you clods still have chafed asses over this...

And that's Senator Elizabeth Warren to you, clod.
2013-02-18 08:04:00 AM
2 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: ndividuals or even the entire tribe feel harmed by the existence of the mascot, then they can always sue.

They won't always win, but they have the right to sue.


They should not have to sue. People should start by showing some basic respect for another group's heritage. Or is that too much to ask for?

Then again, these are Republicans we are discussing.
2013-02-18 07:50:13 AM
2 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: heavymetal: So it is in many ways the voters' fault.  Rather than holding their legislators acountable they allow themselve's to get "sucked in" to these political games and become pawns rather than participants in the political process.  But Hell, that is almost the whole farking country nowadays.  No wonder wh can't have nioce things.  Sigh................................

Yes. No. It's impossible to pin the blame on any one party here. Whether it be the voters or the Democrats or the Republicans. The voters can only vote for those who they are presented with. They are only ever presented with a rosy picture of the candidates, and many with their hands in the pie aren't going to vote against their own interests.

It's a cultural thing. The people feel very disconnected with the government, seeing it as this monstrous 'other' that either helps pay the bills or is a heavy handed good squad. Tie that with a two party system that guarantees that independent voices are drowned out, and you've built a system that doesn't promote engagement with local government. Not many people are going to get involved if it looks like a waste of time. Only the very vain and the very driven put themselves up for candidacy.

It's not solvable. And that's fine with me, if the local government isn't a bunch of busybodies looking to wield their power at the expense of the locals, which is what I see the mascot ban as.



And what of the Native American "locals"? Should they be ignored?
2013-02-18 07:21:43 AM
2 votes:

Dracolich: AverageAmericanGuy: heavymetal: With Republicans today It is not about making our nation a better place to live, but rather scorring political points to win the next election while not upsetting their wealthy donors/handlers.

And the move to ban the mascots made the nation better to live in? Because from here it looks like cheap political point grabbing.

It's really racist.  These kinds of things may be easier to see from the other side.  If you tell us your heritage, we can assist by using it to try to offend you.


Good point also.  While what is considered to be "offensive" can be often debated, it is amusing how the Republicans always seem to take the side which wants to continue offending or oppressing. Then they wonder why their party seems to have the image problem they do regarding minorities and women despite all the Rubio's, Jimdal's, Cains, and Bachmans they march out.
2013-02-18 07:12:21 AM
2 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: heavymetal: With Republicans today It is not about making our nation a better place to live, but rather scorring political points to win the next election while not upsetting their wealthy donors/handlers.

And the move to ban the mascots made the nation better to live in? Because from here it looks like cheap political point grabbing.


It's really racist.  These kinds of things may be easier to see from the other side.  If you tell us your heritage, we can assist by using it to try to offend you.
2013-02-18 06:19:11 AM
2 votes:
Oh, FFS? Really? Really really?

I thought the "you can keep the team names but have to give up the mascots" thing was a decent compromise.

Rep. Sherri Sprenger (R-Scio), said she plans to introduce a bill in the House that would allow just that. Under her proposal, if a school district with a Native American mascot could reach an agreement with the local tribal government, they could apply for a waiver. If the school and the tribe fail to reach an agreement, the rule would stand.

WTF is this happening?

Roseburg High School, where Kruse played football in his teens, abandoned its Indian mascot more than a decade ago in deference to the Cow Creek Band of Umpqua Tribe of Indians, but kept the name.

Ok, got it.
2013-02-20 04:23:41 AM
1 votes:

RanDomino: The Irish have been allowed into the gated community of Whiteness. 90 years ago you could have made an argument that the Minnesota Vikings was racist because of the contemporary anti-Finn racism. These things aren't problems anymore because the referenced population has been giving all the economic and social privilege of whiteness.


Finns weren't vikings.
2013-02-18 02:35:49 PM
1 votes:

shotglasss: keylock71: shotglasss: Shouldn't we just leave this fake debate about Indians to a fake Indian like Elezabeth Warren?

It makes me smile that you clods still have chafed asses over this...

And that's Senator Elizabeth Warren to you, clod.

I like your butthurt over the way I pointed out what a liar she is.


Didn't she never mention it until Republicans literally made up that she'd maybe used it on an application once, my brother Fred who's in Canada totally swears so?

Yup. What a liar.
2013-02-18 12:39:19 PM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: Dr Dreidel: "Redskins" is not offensive by itself. "Redskins", when linked with the image of a Native American, is. If you need this explained to you, maybe don't take a PR job just yet. Or HR. Or anything where you may be working with people of other ethnicities.

The only people who seem to be consistently upset by "Redskins" are non-Native Americans with a pathological guilt complex.


You sure?

// it ain't all Jewish kids like me
// some Native people don't care (and one leaders specifically says "We have bigger things to worry about"), but the fact that some do means we should at least strongly consider a change
// in what sense is it not insulting, though? To use a formerly-popular epithet as a team mascot/name?
2013-02-18 11:45:15 AM
1 votes:

Fluorescent Testicle: IAmRight: So in the real world, no one really uses it except the Irish.

It's a relatively common nickname here in Australia. Of course, "Australia" and "Casual racism" might as well be synonymous...


Heh... I guess so.

Didn't an Australian MP recently say that jail is good for Aboriginals because it sobers them up?
2013-02-18 11:41:38 AM
1 votes:

IAmRight: So in the real world, no one really uses it except the Irish.


It's a relatively common nickname here in Australia. Of course, "Australia" and "Casual racism" might as well be synonymous...
2013-02-18 11:10:06 AM
1 votes:
RanDomino:

I don't know about them specifically, but it doesn't affect my point that it's no coincidence that the other major category of mascots and team names is animals.

Also have Senators, Cavaliers, Cornhuskers, Sooners, Quakers, Trojans. Spartans, Mountaineers, Boilermakers, Midshipmen, Black Knights, Scarlet Knights, Tar Heels, Rebels, Generals.  I can keep going
2013-02-18 10:33:55 AM
1 votes:

pxsteel: Hang On Voltaire: LarryDan43: Look, nothing honors our native people Scandinavian people more than a drunken white frat boy Midwesterner dressed up like a Native American Chief Viking and  dancing around blowing a huge horn on a basketball court. football field

Hi, middle aged white guy here.  I have never understood how the Seminole, Redskins, Apaches, tomahawk chop, braves..... could be racist.  I always saw these things as symbols of strenght and bravery.  So what if a  Midwesterner dressed up like a Native American Chief Viking and  dancing around blowing a huge horn on a basketball court. football field.

Isn't Imitation the sincerest form of flattery.

/it was a sad day when my school had to change from the Warchiefs to the Colts.


Seminoles and Apache... those are debatable... but REDSKINS?  Why not just name a team "The Negroes" and see how well that plays out...
2013-02-18 10:21:16 AM
1 votes:

quatchi: Oh, FFS? Really? Really really?

I thought the "you can keep the team names but have to give up the mascots" thing was a decent compromise.

Rep. Sherri Sprenger (R-Scio), said she plans to introduce a bill in the House that would allow just that. Under her proposal, if a school district with a Native American mascot could reach an agreement with the local tribal government, they could apply for a waiver. If the school and the tribe fail to reach an agreement, the rule would stand.

WTF is this happening?

Roseburg High School, where Kruse played football in his teens, abandoned its Indian mascot more than a decade ago in deference to the Cow Creek Band of Umpqua Tribe of Indians, but kept the name.

Ok, got it.


Oh, Roseburg.

The place where this is a road sign, and down the road the fundies have put a "Noah's Ark" tourist trap at the entrance to a nature park that highlights a bit of evolution

Fark that part of Oregon.

//Ok, the red parts of Oregon as so conservative a Texan would say "Woah partner, calm down"
2013-02-18 09:24:04 AM
1 votes:
I'm kinda torn on the whole mascot issue. While I understand that some mascots are caricatures which can be offensive, a mascot is a symbol for people to rally behind, and an ideal to aspire towards.

As a person of Nordic decent, I'm not offended by the Minessota Vikings, even though the actual mascot image is a cartoonish caricature of an actual viking warrior. I guess what I'm trying to say is that while I understand that a mascot derrived from a culture can be offensive, I'm not sold on the idea that it necessarily is.

Maybe mascot design should be handled the same way the dress code is where I work: Don't get sent to HR. Wear whatever you like, but show basic respect for your fellow human beings, don't actively try to be offensive, and if people are offended by what you've chosen, make some adjustments to your choices.
2013-02-18 08:36:28 AM
1 votes:
Look, nothing honors our native people more than a drunken white frat boy dressed up like a Native American Chief and dancing around a basketball court.
2013-02-18 08:26:24 AM
1 votes:

mksmith: Dracolich: AverageAmericanGuy: heavymetal: With Republicans today It is not about making our nation a better place to live, but rather scorring political points to win the next election while not upsetting their wealthy donors/handlers.

And the move to ban the mascots made the nation better to live in? Because from here it looks like cheap political point grabbing.

It's really racist.  These kinds of things may be easier to see from the other side.  If you tell us your heritage, we can assist by using it to try to offend you.

Presumably, the GOP wouldn't object if some white, Christian school wanted to have a "Darky" mascot, either. I wonder if there's a special committee whose job is identifying new groups to offend.


I wonder what the GOP would say to having "Reagan the clumsy and absent-minded lap dog" for a mascot.
2013-02-18 08:05:33 AM
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: Dracolich: You're trying to view it from someone else's perspective, but you're still not able to get outside of your own head.  This is fairly typical.  You believe that just because you personally could get over something that everyone in that position should have to.  Do you see the flaw?  Let's imagine that this caricature that you're using has kids.  Should they have to put up with it because you could?  Perhaps everyone in the world should have to endure insults, wouldn't that be a great place to live?

So the power of government should step in and eliminate school mascots? LOL. You've completely lost all sense of scale.


Oh look, you edited out the word "coward."  I guess I did offend you after all.  So, tell me, why can you edit out "coward" and they can't edit out a mascot?
2013-02-18 07:56:12 AM
1 votes:

clambam: C'mon Indians have no political clout in this country. If you going to denigrate an ethnic group, they're the ones to go with. Right now the repubs can't make fun of blacks or Latinos, much as they'd like to, and they're simply not happy unless they're allowed to feel superior to some despised group or another. Bad enough there's a black president, the repubs now have to pander to the help if they want to win elections. In fact, the modern conservative is going through a severe case of contempt withdrawal. Will nobody think of the racists?



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2013-02-18 07:54:47 AM
1 votes:
Fluorescent Testicle: It's a farkin' samsquanch!

Bubbles rules!

He gets to live when the Sasquatchs ride up and take over this silly country.

/Someone is gonna hafta take care of all the kitties.
2013-02-18 07:38:55 AM
1 votes:
I sort of like the ring of the Oregon Diarrhoeal Smallpoxian Patriots as a mascot name.

I wonder of the GOP derpmeisters could work with that name instead?

That would be the shiat.


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2013-02-18 07:36:20 AM
1 votes:

quatchi: And I'm an 8 1/2 foot tall sasquatch, good to meet you.


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It's a farkin' samsquanch!
2013-02-18 07:28:06 AM
1 votes:
AverageAmericanGuy: I  am a black from Nashville, Tennessee.

And I'm an 8 1/2 foot tall sasquatch, good to meet you.
2013-02-18 07:22:49 AM
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: Dracolich: AverageAmericanGuy: Dracolich: AverageAmericanGuy: heavymetal: With Republicans today It is not about making our nation a better place to live, but rather scorring political points to win the next election while not upsetting their wealthy donors/handlers.

And the move to ban the mascots made the nation better to live in? Because from here it looks like cheap political point grabbing.

It's really racist.  These kinds of things may be easier to see from the other side.  If you tell us your heritage, we can assist by using it to try to offend you.

I am a black from Nashville, Tennessee.

It's interesting that you could get that wrong.  What are you afraid of?

Are you afraid of offending me? LOL. Give it your best shot.


You've already lost this one.  It's pretty clear that you weren't willing to put out real information by the decoy information that you used.  This means you're a coward.
2013-02-18 07:15:34 AM
1 votes:

veedeevadeevoodee: Keep this crap off the sports tab, pls.


At least we're talking actual sports and not wrasslin'.
2013-02-18 07:04:45 AM
1 votes:
Keep this crap off the sports tab, pls.
2013-02-18 06:53:21 AM
1 votes:
Republicans have political capital???
2013-02-18 06:50:12 AM
1 votes:
Among right-wingers this is also a 'thing' here in Wisconsin -- there's a teabagger legislative agenda wishlist out there for the current session and IIRC somewhere in the top ten items they'd like to accomplish is overturning Wisconsin's ban on Native American-related team nicknames, buried in there among the other things like emasculating appeals courts, making it harder to vote, etc.
2013-02-18 06:50:07 AM
1 votes:

Fluorescent Testicle: That laser-like focus on jobs strikes again, I see.


Are you saying bringing those Mascot Jobs back won't turn Oregon's economy completely around?

Wow, you're pretty cynical.

*clicks on profile*

Okay, scratch the cynical part.

/Yes, just being silly now.
//It's 3:49 and the mods are still awake so I can't post ponies. >.<
///Also I'm out of pie.
2013-02-18 06:35:54 AM
1 votes:
Well, I suppose it's an upgrade from trying to force women to have trans-vaginal ultrasounds or convincing people that rape is a "gift from god"...
 
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