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(LA Times)   School shooting massacre averted. List found targeting six elementary school students including one girl because she was annoying. Suspects are two ten-year-olds who brought a gun and knife to school   (articles.latimes.com) divider line 55
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2013-02-17 11:08:22 PM
7 votes:

BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.


You can pretty much bet that any kid that sets cats on fire is going to end up killing people later in life.
2013-02-18 02:50:55 AM
5 votes:
The firearm doesn't create the disregard for human life.
People are broken...address that first before more firearm legislation.
2013-02-18 06:11:24 AM
4 votes:

violentsalvation: I don't know where this 1911 came from, but people need to secure their f*cking guns, goddammit.

And it's a magazine, not a clip, LA Times.


OH MY GOD WHO THE HELL CARES ???
2013-02-18 07:44:36 AM
3 votes:
Hmm...I have an 11 yr old.
Normal 11 yr olds do NOT set cats on fire. They do NOT shoot BBs at cars. They most certainly do NOT take weapons to school. I can't see where my 11 yr old would ever even come up with that idea.

My kids have all had bullies. They never took a weapon to school. My current 11 yr old spent the summer writing a book of comebacks.

/Luckily, his bully was expelled from the school.
2013-02-18 03:14:44 AM
3 votes:
America is broken.
2013-02-18 03:06:28 AM
3 votes:
1) take the children from the parents - FOREVER
2) toss the parents in prison - FOREVER (also sterilize them, just in case)
3) the kids should probably be sterilized just to be safe
4) the kids should be moved to another part of the country or planet and never have contact with anyone who was in their life previously

seriously
when do we actually start doing things differently?
or do are we just willingly accepting a certain amount of shrinkage in the system?
2013-02-18 01:42:37 AM
3 votes:

vygramul: The assault weapons ban would have prevented this.


Nope, but a gun lock and a responsible gun owner might have.

Would love to be a fly on the wall when they haul in whoever's gun this was and ask how this 10 yo stole his gun.
2013-02-17 11:05:15 PM
3 votes:
FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.
2013-02-18 04:35:05 PM
2 votes:

GAT_00: quatchi: Nope

That was his point.

But nobody has ever pretended that an AWB bill would solve everything.  And it's pretty clear at this point that we can't simply tell gun owners to be more responsible and think we've solved all the rest of the problems.


Kind of like teenagers and sex. We simply can't tell them to be more responsible and think we'll have solved the... wait a second.

 And drug users would never benefit from education over prohobition... hold on.

 It seems education and discussion works for DAMN NEAR EVERYTHING ELSE, but suddenly it doesn't work for firearms because...that would make extra laws and bans unnecessary.

 Okay, got it.
2013-02-18 09:32:13 AM
2 votes:

Farkage: You don't see a difference between the statement of "The NRA is against mental health care" and having someone's rights restored?  Really?  And as I said, the initially quoted article had nothing to do with mental health, did it?  But that is your "Evidence"?  Goalpost moving or just comprehension fail?


Wow, it's sorta like watching a chicken with it's head cut off running around the yard by this point.

If you can't figure out that the NRA giving guns back to people with mental issues and preventing any research into correlations between gun violence and mental illness is proof that the NRA doesn't give a crap about reducing gun violence or mental health then you are either too stupid for words or simple minded troll who can't read.

You are really, really bad at this.
2013-02-18 09:21:48 AM
2 votes:

pyrotek85: I don't see how sabotaging your vehicle is anything but attempted murder.


Well, not that I would want to have my vehicle sabotaged in any way, but there are certainly ways which invoke considerably less potential for fatality.

For instance, up till that point this little bastard has been parking nails against my tires at an angle so that, once my car started rolling, I would puncture them.  Went through two tires before I figured out to check underneath my car every time I went to move it.

It was some time after that we graduated to loosening lugs, apparently.  Again, this was all because I wouldn't let him vandalize and caltrop a yard he had no business being in in the first place.

This child, from what I understand, also had a history of torturing animals.  Big shocker, I know.  So when I see a Prosecutor claiming that such acts are "just the sorts of things children do" it kinda makes me wonder about the entire community where these two would-be-murders grew up in- what standards they have, and how much it takes before one "sounds the alarm" that a parent is raising a future sociopath.

It doesn't take a village necessarily, but that doesn't mean the village doesn't leave it's mark on a child at all.
2013-02-18 03:18:42 AM
2 votes:
America, you crazy.
2013-02-18 03:18:39 AM
2 votes:

L.D. Ablo: Whatever happened to ostracizing, humiliating and making fun of the unpopular?

/back in my day...


Still happens. The difference is that kids can't fight back, or rather they are not allowed to push back to a reasonable degree. (Busted lip for example.) So it just builds, and builds, and builds....

Can't learn the boundaries of what is acceptable when you aren't allowed near them.
2013-02-18 03:09:10 AM
2 votes:
Children who set cats on fire should be executed.

/Not kidding.
2013-02-18 03:07:23 AM
2 votes:
I'm starting to understand why nobody publicizes suicides because of the risk that others will do the same.
2013-02-18 12:06:07 AM
2 votes:

Dinki: BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.

You can pretty much bet that any kid that sets cats on fire is going to end up killing people later in life.


Pretty much, but people are delusional about kids these days.
2013-02-18 05:06:53 PM
1 votes:

Dimensio: snocone: Say whutt?

The more than three million Americans who currently own AR-15s must wonder if any of these people know what they're talking about. These guns are not cheap, but they have been the best-selling long arm in this country for some years. Those three million people didn't buy them just to look at or because they are planning to use them to kill their fellow citizens.


The National Shooting Sports Foundation has surveyed the purchasers of AR-15s. The AR-15 is the most commonly used rifle for marksmanship training and competition. Nearly 90% of those who own an AR-15 use it for recreational target shooting; 51% of AR owners are members of shooting clubs and visit the range regularly. The typical AR owner is not a crazed teenage psychopath, but a 35+ year old, married and has some college education.


The popularity of the AR can be traced in part to the fact that it is a semi-automatic version of the rifle used by the men and women of the military. Nearly half of AR owners are veterans, law enforcement officers, or both. It is a configuration they are familiar with and enjoy shooting. My daughter, for example, served two tours in Iraq, one in Afghanistan, and only owns one gun - an AR.


AR 15s are good for hunting. Some buy an AR for home defense and about six percent of buyers are either collectors or varmint hunters. The standard AR is illegal in most states for deer and big game hunting because it is not considered powerful enough to reliably put down deer-sized or larger game, but is used for coyote, wolf and feral pig hunting in many states.


http://www.humanevents.com/2013/01/02/the-ar-15-the-gun-liberals-lo ve- to-hate/">http://www.humanevents.com/2013/01/02/the-ar-15-the-gun-lib erals-love- to-hate/

AR-15 rifles have barrel shrouds. I do not know what barrel shrouds are -- I believe them to be the shoulder things that go up -- but I have been assured that such devices serve no legitimate civilian purpose.


Google it.


Shrouds are variable/optional handholds to keep you from burning yourself on a hot barrel.

Very lethal!
2013-02-18 04:58:45 PM
1 votes:

Satan's Dumptruck Driver: Can't learn the boundaries of what is acceptable when you aren't allowed near them.


You have a problematic attitude that's typical and doesn't help the problem.

"The boundaries of what is acceptable" is not "it's okay to punch him in the face but not shoot him".

"The boundaries of what is acceptable" is "it is not okay to verbally, physically, or sexually assault or harass another person, and no it is not just kids being kids, it's assault and harassment; if it would be a crime when you're 20 it's a crime when you're 10".

In your opinion, the bullied needs to learn the boundaries.  In actually, it's the bully that needs to learn them.
2013-02-18 01:19:57 PM
1 votes:

quatchi: GAT_00: quatchi: Nope

That was his point.

But nobody has ever pretended that an AWB bill would solve everything.  And it's pretty clear at this point that we can't simply tell gun owners to be more responsible and think we've solved all the rest of the problems.

In point of fact I don't give a flying fart about the AWB. I've hoped since the beginning that this was just a chip on the table that will be taken off the table at some point and traded for of more money for mental health care (Which the NRA itself now endorses ,you'll note) and closing the gun sale loophole. The brick and mortar gun guys want to see the loophole closed as it forces more people into their big box ergo the GOP gets to say they stopped the AWB, more crazy folks get help, the loophole gets closed clearing up a grey area that's been rife for abuse and maybe dampening the more gung-ho nutty portions of the gun culture and hte cops get a better database to do their jobs. Some common sense registration stuff would be a cherry on the top there but regardless in that scenario everybody gets to say they've won and things get not perfect but better. This is what I hope.

/It should probably be noted that I'm also hoping for a hot steamy night-long romp with Scar Jo and Rachel Weiss later on this evening but that probably isn't gonna happen.
//I hope for a lot of things.
///Right now I'm hoping there's still a piece of cherry pie inna fridge. Mmmm ...Pie.


See this right here is the problem.... It seems like all any anti's know about guns is what the media has told them. Putting aside that the "gun show loophole" is not, the real problem is that studies have shown that almost no criminals (under 1% IIRC) get their firearms directly from this "loophole" and that no more get them indirectly through this "loophole" (strawman purchase for instance) than they do from any other source. In addition almost all of that ~1% would still get firearms through other means without this loophole. So basically you are talking about farking* over 150,000,000 private citizens in order to stop, less than 1000 gun crimes per year, of which only a dozen or two would involve people actually getting shot, and of which only a couple people would die (and some of the people shot or killed would be criminals!). Also there is the question of what this "loophole" really is.... and I guarantee that 95% of anti's can't even define it correctly even though it is incredibly simple to understand.

Almost all gun control laws are what I like to call "pre-crime" laws.... Laws that make something that is otherwise harmless, or even beneficial, illegal because on incredibly rare occasions it is part of the precursor actions of an actual crime. Pre-crime laws don't stop, or even slow, criminals except on the rare occasions they are caught by luck violating the pre-crime before they commit a real crime, but this is very very rare, and in the meantime these laws make life much harder for law abiding citizens, to the point that some otherwise law abiding citizens who make a simple mistake end up convicted under these laws, thus offsetting the societal benefit entirely. For instance, going to a school and shooting people with a gun is obviously a crime, but the federal government has also made it a crime to come within 1000 feet of a school with a gun (with each state able to make their own exceptions). Prior to this law being created guns went near, and in, schools tens of thousands of times per day without issue at least 99.9999% (this is not hyperbole) of the time, and they actually still do today (at least the near part). This law does nothing to stop school shootings, and turns thousands of law abiding citizens, usually unknowingly, into criminals every day. It is a do-nothing but harm, pre-crime law. Same as an any law to shut down the so called "gun show loopholes". 99.999% of the time firearms sold privately by law abiding citizens are not used in a crime by the new owner. Yet for some reason we are going to make this otherwise legal and harmless action into a crime, or charge people to do it legally? It makes less than no sense. These pre-crime laws are no different than outlawing alcohol for everyone because drinking it is occasionally the precursor to a crime. As a matter of fact doing that makes FAR more sense than requiring NICS checks for private gun sales because it would actually stop far more deaths and injuries, and would very directly do so.

*What do I mean by farking over? Let me detail it for you:

Chances are this gun check system would not be free, so that is $20 or more (most likely) lost to the check without hardly any crimes being stopped. This is also (as with most gun control laws all of which directly or indirectly increase the cost of ownership) discriminatory towards poor people. Single mom, bad neighborhood, criminals broke in to the house twice in the last year already? Just saving $200 for a crappy gun to protect her children could take most of a year. Add in paying a NCIS check fee and a requirement to purchase a safe, and suddenly it is more like 18 months before she can get a gun.
Any system of this nature will require gun registration to work. Without registration the only way to enforce this law is with stings, which takes a lot of time and effort on the part of the police for minimal effect. This is a very large part of why people are so strongly against checks for private sales. Anyone not blinded by anti-gun hysteria knows that the inevitable result of the laws will be registration, and historically registration has ALWAYS lead to confiscation, and confiscation eventually (varying from immediately to 50 years, but always eventually) to the loss of other rights.
In fact, the loss of rights thing is already built into some of these laws. For instance in Washington State they have a bill under consideration to require private sales to go through this kind of check. Appended to this law are also requirements to secure firearms and to allow a once-yearly check by the local sheriff to ensure the firearms are present and secured properly. In other words, in order to exercise your second amendment rights you will have to give up your 4th amendment rights.... WTF????
2013-02-18 12:32:03 PM
1 votes:

Dimensio: R-15 rifles have barrel shrouds. I do not know what barrel shrouds are -- I believe them to be the shoulder things that go up -- but I have been assured that such devices serve no legitimate civilian purpose.


Uhhh....no, actually.  Most do not have a barrel shroud.  All come with a handguard, but most do not come with a barrel shroud.  As for the "shoulder things that go up"  I have no idea what you mean, but if the barrel is anywhere near your shoulder, you are doing it wrong.
2013-02-18 12:30:42 PM
1 votes:

BigBurrito: FTA:

"To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.


This is what bothered me most in the article, and I'm pleased to see it came up in the very Weeners. Maybe I shouldn't be disgusted with all of humanity yet.
2013-02-18 12:10:25 PM
1 votes:

andynz81: America, you crazy.


This times a billion. WTF is it with all the crazy lately?
2013-02-18 11:26:45 AM
1 votes:

super_grass: Children and family of gun owners and NRA supporters deserve be executed on pay-per-view with all the profits going to the relatives of the people being senselessly killed by guns in this country.

I'd watch the hell out of it and laugh myself to sleep every night knowing that those homicidal nut jobs are suffering like their victims.

*sigh*, a person can dream :)


Ladies and gentlemen, THIS is what a homicidal psychopath sounds like. You get the whole "Fantasizing about killing a certain demographic in creative ways" mixed in with "No sense of conscience regarding personal wrongdoing". You are a sick person that needs to take up permanent residence in the nearest mental institution.

/see how you've become the very thing you claim to hate?
2013-02-18 11:06:20 AM
1 votes:

quatchi: IlGreven: quatchi: mental health care (Which the NRA itself now endorses ,you'll note)

...no, they don't.  They just say they do to take the heat off.  But as long as they keep national health organizations and HMOs on their "enemies of the 2nd amendment" watchlist for deigning to have the opinion that perhaps fewer guns would save us millions in healthcare costs, don't believe it for a second.

The NRA used their ridiculous amount of power over Congress to prevent for years any studies being done linking mental health and gun violence. I'm aware of that. The enmity there goes back a ways. Just the fact that their shills had to come out and say it's part of the problem is a win at this point in the debate regardless of their actual position on the issue they have ostensibly come out for it.

The left can use that.

But yeah, your point that they are lying sacks of shiat when they say that stands.

I should have clarified.


Bwahahaha, the NRA is one of the smallest lobbies in washington, it's not even in the top 50. Where the NRA gets it's power isn't with money, but with several million people who want democrats to fark off and leave their guns alone.
2013-02-18 10:25:32 AM
1 votes:
Say whutt?

The more than three million Americans who currently own AR-15s must wonder if any of these people know what they're talking about. These guns are not cheap, but they have been the best-selling long arm in this country for some years. Those three million people didn't buy them just to look at or because they are planning to use them to kill their fellow citizens.


The National Shooting Sports Foundation has surveyed the purchasers of AR-15s. The AR-15 is the most commonly used rifle for marksmanship training and competition. Nearly 90% of those who own an AR-15 use it for recreational target shooting; 51% of AR owners are members of shooting clubs and visit the range regularly. The typical AR owner is not a crazed teenage psychopath, but a 35+ year old, married and has some college education.


The popularity of the AR can be traced in part to the fact that it is a semi-automatic version of the rifle used by the men and women of the military. Nearly half of AR owners are veterans, law enforcement officers, or both. It is a configuration they are familiar with and enjoy shooting. My daughter, for example, served two tours in Iraq, one in Afghanistan, and only owns one gun - an AR.


AR 15s are good for hunting. Some buy an AR for home defense and about six percent of buyers are either collectors or varmint hunters. The standard AR is illegal in most states for deer and big game hunting because it is not considered powerful enough to reliably put down deer-sized or larger game, but is used for coyote, wolf and feral pig hunting in many states.


http://www.humanevents.com/2013/01/02/the-ar-15-the-gun-liberals-lo ve- to-hate/">http://www.humanevents.com/2013/01/02/the-ar-15-the-gun-lib erals-love- to-hate/
2013-02-18 08:03:20 AM
1 votes:

omeganuepsilon: phalaeo: BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.

Came in here to point this out.  Setting a cat on fire is just a thing children do?

Some, yes.  Kids to an insurmountable amount of stupid shiat because they don't have a sense of what will happen, and a complete lack of a sense of repercussion, backed by insatiable curiosity.  Same with toys up the nose or a million other retarded things.

Can't even say it's particularly psychotic unless it's an older child.  The indicator for that is how they feel afterward.


No, I'm going to disagree and say setting a cat on fire is a bad thing.  At 10/11, a kid has touched a stove and learned that fire hurts.  Applying that fire to another creature is not something that comes out of curosity.  I might believe setting ants on fire with a magnifying glass was "something kids do," but even then, where are you going to find a magnifying glass these days?
2013-02-18 06:00:38 AM
1 votes:
Farkage: quatchi: Farkage: IlGreven: quatchi: mental health care (Which the NRA itself now endorses ,you'll note)

...no, they don't.  They just say they do to take the heat off.  But as long as they keep national health organizations and HMOs on their "enemies of the 2nd amendment" watchlist for deigning to have the opinion that perhaps fewer guns would save us millions in healthcare costs, don't believe it for a second.

And exactly what makes you say that??  Why would you honestly believe they are against mental health care???

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/the-blockade-on-scie nc e-on-gun-violence/

It's not that scientists are uninterested in gun research or don't know how to study guns' connection to violence.  It's rather that the N.R.A. has blocked most efforts at serious gun research, going so far as to restrict access to the highly informative data available from Justice Department traces of guns used in crimes.  As The Times reported, "Scientists in the field and former officials with the government agency that used to finance the great bulk of this research say the influence of the National Rife Association has all but choked off money for such work."

As a result, things still stand pretty much as they were in 2004.  There is no scientific consensus on the best approach to limiting gun violence, and the N.R.A. is blocking work that might well lead to such a consensus.

This.


You quoted an opinion blog as "facts"??  That was a liberal-biased opinion about "gun research".  How about if you try reading this and give another shot at answering my question, mkay?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-2923101.html

A link from 2009?

Sure let's see what ya got...

From your link...

The NRA did win concessions.

The bill would automatically restore the purchasing rights of veterans who were diagnosed with mental problems as part of the process of obtaining disability benefits. LaPierre said the Clinton administration put about 80,000 such veterans into the background check system.


You're not very good at this, are you?
2013-02-18 05:53:05 AM
1 votes:

quatchi: Farkage: IlGreven: quatchi: mental health care (Which the NRA itself now endorses ,you'll note)

...no, they don't.  They just say they do to take the heat off.  But as long as they keep national health organizations and HMOs on their "enemies of the 2nd amendment" watchlist for deigning to have the opinion that perhaps fewer guns would save us millions in healthcare costs, don't believe it for a second.

And exactly what makes you say that??  Why would you honestly believe they are against mental health care???

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/the-blockade-on-scie nc e-on-gun-violence/

It's not that scientists are uninterested in gun research or don't know how to study guns' connection to violence.  It's rather that the N.R.A. has blocked most efforts at serious gun research, going so far as to restrict access to the highly informative data available from Justice Department traces of guns used in crimes.  As The Times reported, "Scientists in the field and former officials with the government agency that used to finance the great bulk of this research say the influence of the National Rife Association has all but choked off money for such work."

As a result, things still stand pretty much as they were in 2004.  There is no scientific consensus on the best approach to limiting gun violence, and the N.R.A. is blocking work that might well lead to such a consensus.

This.


You quoted an opinion blog as "facts"??  That was a liberal-biased opinion about "gun research".  How about if you try reading this and give another shot at answering my question, mkay?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-2923101.html
2013-02-18 05:42:37 AM
1 votes:
Farkage: IlGreven: quatchi: mental health care (Which the NRA itself now endorses ,you'll note)

...no, they don't.  They just say they do to take the heat off.  But as long as they keep national health organizations and HMOs on their "enemies of the 2nd amendment" watchlist for deigning to have the opinion that perhaps fewer guns would save us millions in healthcare costs, don't believe it for a second.


And exactly what makes you say that??  Why would you honestly believe they are against mental health care???

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/the-blockade-on-scie nc e-on-gun-violence/

It's not that scientists are uninterested in gun research or don't know how to study guns' connection to violence.  It's rather that the N.R.A. has blocked most efforts at serious gun research, going so far as to restrict access to the highly informative data available from Justice Department traces of guns used in crimes.  As The Times reported, "Scientists in the field and former officials with the government agency that used to finance the great bulk of this research say the influence of the National Rife Association has all but choked off money for such work."

As a result, things still stand pretty much as they were in 2004.  There is no scientific consensus on the best approach to limiting gun violence, and the N.R.A. is blocking work that might well lead to such a consensus.


This.
2013-02-18 05:28:33 AM
1 votes:

super_grass: Children and family of gun owners and NRA supporters deserve be executed on pay-per-view with all the profits going to the relatives of the people being senselessly killed by guns in this country.

I'd watch the hell out of it and laugh myself to sleep every night knowing that those homicidal nut jobs are suffering like their victims.

*sigh*, a person can dream :)


And they say only right-wingers are bigots.
2013-02-18 04:57:11 AM
1 votes:

GranoblasticMan: Smoking GNU: America is broken.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?


No, but Chris Dorner did.
2013-02-18 04:53:39 AM
1 votes:

jtown: Kids these days.  When I was that age, if a girl was mean, you thew mud at her.  Same if you liked her.  Mud was the go-to at 10.


Are kids still alowed to throw mud at kids who are mean to them?

Are they allowed to do anything to kids who are mean to them?  Other than telling the teacher, I mean.

How does a ten year old timebomb respect his anger any more?
2013-02-18 04:36:21 AM
1 votes:
And so begins the copy-cats. With all the attention people get from school shootings, we should see a lot more of these.
2013-02-18 03:57:47 AM
1 votes:

namatad: violentsalvation: I don't know where this 1911 came from, but people need to secure their f*cking guns, goddammit.

what is the proper punishment for the owner of this gun?
or if the kid bought it, the seller of the gun?

and if the punishment doesnt include 10-50 years in prison or death, how would we actually get people to secure their guns??
currently some people failing completely


I don't know the answer to this question. I don't know where the kid got the gun, so it's hard to apply a solution to this scenario.

I've mentioned the idea of tax credits for approved and properly installed guns safes. I don't know if that is a good idea or not, but it never seemed to elicit much of a discussion. Regardless it all boils down to common sense and responsible gun ownership, and lately we aren't seeing enough of either. And that human stupidity will always be the weakness in any decent idea.
2013-02-18 03:57:17 AM
1 votes:
I realize that all children are unique and precious snowflakes who are already perfect in every way and just need space and nurturing to find themselves, but I can't help but think that maybe beating these little dickweeds until they sh*t their pants and bleed and vomit and need stitches might help them along.  Just planting seeds.
2013-02-18 03:47:27 AM
1 votes:

BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.


Someone really needs to put a tail on this guy. I think there's a 10% chance he's got bodies buried under his chrysanthemums; a 33% chance he's molesting livestock. Something's wrong with him or possibl y his own kids.
2013-02-18 03:38:23 AM
1 votes:
Kids these days.  When I was that age, if a girl was mean, you thew mud at her.  Same if you liked her.  Mud was the go-to at 10.
2013-02-18 03:36:19 AM
1 votes:

super_grass: Children and family of gun owners and NRA supporters deserve be executed on pay-per-view with all the profits going to the relatives of the people being senselessly killed by guns in this country.

I'd watch the hell out of it and laugh myself to sleep every night knowing that those homicidal nut jobs are suffering like their victims.

*sigh*, a person can dream :)


Don't you just like...wanna.. I dunno...shoot us?

super_grass: You need better ways to compensate for you lack of manhood.


Nice projection, you're afraid of inanimate objects, but it's our manhood in question. OK.
2013-02-18 03:31:32 AM
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violentsalvation: I don't know where this 1911 came from, but people need to secure their f*cking guns, goddammit.

And it's a magazine, not a clip, LA Times.


The LA Times is actually a newspaper
2013-02-18 03:29:33 AM
1 votes:
I don't know where this 1911 came from, but people need to secure their f*cking guns, goddammit.

And it's a magazine, not a clip, LA Times.
2013-02-18 03:28:35 AM
1 votes:

super_grass: Children and family of gun owners and NRA supporters deserve be executed on pay-per-view with all the profits going to the relatives of the people being senselessly killed by guns in this country.

I'd watch the hell out of it and laugh myself to sleep every night knowing that those homicidal nut jobs are suffering like their victims.

*sigh*, a person can dream :)


Hah! Why don't you just senselessly kill them yourself and cut out the middle man?

I'm betting that you are too lazy. Or a coward. A smarter person would have come up with something better.

0/10
2013-02-18 03:26:05 AM
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Oznog: But that's actually NOT as concrete as it sounds.  Kids like to fantasize about lots of stuff, including violence.  Certainly actually having a gun is a bad sign, but it's not conclusive that they were really going to do it.


certainly there should be the death penalty for the owner of the gun. period.
sorry but if you late-term abortion brings your gun to school, you die. period.
it would at least make guns owners a tiny bit more serious about gun safety and maybe keeping guns out of the hands of 10 year olds ...

/of course, this will lead to children setting up their parents in order to get their parents killed
2013-02-18 03:23:51 AM
1 votes:

super_grass: Children and family of gun owners and NRA supporters deserve be executed on pay-per-view with all the profits going to the relatives of the people being senselessly killed by guns in this country.

I'd watch the hell out of it and laugh myself to sleep every night knowing that those homicidal nut jobs are suffering like their victims.

*sigh*, a person can dream :)


I have always argued that the death penalty should happen at noon on the stairs in front of city hall, broadcast live and free for everyone to see.
You want it to be a deterrent, people should actually see it.

/but but but
2013-02-18 03:22:33 AM
1 votes:
But that's actually NOT as concrete as it sounds.  Kids like to fantasize about lots of stuff, including violence.  Certainly actually having a gun is a bad sign, but it's not conclusive that they were really going to do it.
2013-02-18 03:19:05 AM
1 votes:

Smoking GNU: America is broken.


Have you tried turning it off and on again?
2013-02-18 03:14:06 AM
1 votes:

L.D. Ablo: Whatever happened to ostracizing, humiliating and making fun of the unpopular?

/back in my day...


Everyone victimized by people like you went crazy and bought guns.
2013-02-18 02:51:27 AM
1 votes:

quatchi: mental health care (Which the NRA itself now endorses ,you'll note)


...no, they don't.  They just say they do to take the heat off.  But as long as they keep national health organizations and HMOs on their "enemies of the 2nd amendment" watchlist for deigning to have the opinion that perhaps fewer guns would save us millions in healthcare costs, don't believe it for a second.
2013-02-18 02:51:22 AM
1 votes:
School authorities said two fifth-grade boys planned to use the weapons to lure another student outside the school and kill her "because she was really annoying."
We are experiencing the end of the US.

Charge the kids and the parents. Charge the school as co-conspirators. Clearly the school allowed the weapons into the school. They must have been part of the plan. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Seriously.

How does this not continue to escalate?
OR is this just national awareness of "minor" events?
How many events like this have there been, by year, for the last 50 years?
How many events like this are never reported and dealt with locally without getting national full blown media nutty?
Over the last 50 years, we can assume that the reporting has changed, right?
2013-02-18 02:39:52 AM
1 votes:
GAT_00: quatchi: Nope

That was his point.

But nobody has ever pretended that an AWB bill would solve everything.  And it's pretty clear at this point that we can't simply tell gun owners to be more responsible and think we've solved all the rest of the problems.


In point of fact I don't give a flying fart about the AWB. I've hoped since the beginning that this was just a chip on the table that will be taken off the table at some point and traded for of more money for mental health care (Which the NRA itself now endorses ,you'll note) and closing the gun sale loophole. The brick and mortar gun guys want to see the loophole closed as it forces more people into their big box ergo the GOP gets to say they stopped the AWB, more crazy folks get help, the loophole gets closed clearing up a grey area that's been rife for abuse and maybe dampening the more gung-ho nutty portions of the gun culture and hte cops get a better database to do their jobs. Some common sense registration stuff would be a cherry on the top there but regardless in that scenario everybody gets to say they've won and things get not perfect but better. This is what I hope.

/It should probably be noted that I'm also hoping for a hot steamy night-long romp with Scar Jo and Rachel Weiss later on this evening but that probably isn't gonna happen.
//I hope for a lot of things.
///Right now I'm hoping there's still a piece of cherry pie inna fridge. Mmmm ...Pie.
2013-02-18 01:46:43 AM
1 votes:

quatchi: Nope


That was his point.

But nobody has ever pretended that an AWB bill would solve everything.  And it's pretty clear at this point that we can't simply tell gun owners to be more responsible and think we've solved all the rest of the problems.
2013-02-18 01:41:14 AM
1 votes:
"This was a plan. And it was a plan to kill,"

blurbrain.com
2013-02-18 01:40:17 AM
1 votes:
The assault weapons ban would have prevented this.
2013-02-18 12:31:39 AM
1 votes:
"To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. [...]"

i3.kym-cdn.com
2013-02-18 12:08:34 AM
1 votes:
"I was going to kill her with the knife and [the other boy] was supposed to use the gun to keep anyone from trying to stop me or mess up our plan," the older boy told detectives.

That's purely farked up. Why stab and not just shoot?

The older boy said he had been friends with the girl for several months "but that he hated her now." He said the girl "had recently become rude and would pick on him."

Ah, it's personal.
2013-02-18 12:07:19 AM
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BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.


Glad I wasn't the only one that noticed that.  "They do kid's stuff.  Set the cat on fire.  Rain thermonuclear death over our neighbors.  You know, kid's stuff."
 
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