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2013-02-18 10:42:13 AM  

BostonEMT: swangoatman: .... BUT that would mean giving over portion of the control to locals and that is where you farkers would have the problem.

Meh - the problem THERE is that the "locals" often have extreme views on certain things - be it Jesus-Land, or Hippy-Land. I think schooling should be left to things that are FACT - so you can leave the experimental/theory stuff until AFTER the kid is old enough to decide for themselves - without Minister FSM coercing them to one side or the other...

/I live in a redneck, rural county with a huge liberal arts university, so I'd get a kick...


Thats not a problem..it is actually a solution. Seeing the results of these much smaller "zones" will enable the educators at the local assemblies to compare what is and is not working. Since these assemblies are closer than a big state convention the likelihood of crossover types of people is there. Then as these assemblies gather information they disseminate them at conventions. No one is force to take the information and use it ,but there would be an interchange of ideas.
At least that is how it has been working in the MY WORLD i created. Would you join me?
 
2013-02-18 10:47:27 AM  
Don't those kids know this is against the law? Enforce the existing laws! That will stop them. Now. After we caught them already  Or something.
 
2013-02-18 11:06:20 AM  

quatchi: IlGreven: quatchi: mental health care (Which the NRA itself now endorses ,you'll note)

...no, they don't.  They just say they do to take the heat off.  But as long as they keep national health organizations and HMOs on their "enemies of the 2nd amendment" watchlist for deigning to have the opinion that perhaps fewer guns would save us millions in healthcare costs, don't believe it for a second.

The NRA used their ridiculous amount of power over Congress to prevent for years any studies being done linking mental health and gun violence. I'm aware of that. The enmity there goes back a ways. Just the fact that their shills had to come out and say it's part of the problem is a win at this point in the debate regardless of their actual position on the issue they have ostensibly come out for it.

The left can use that.

But yeah, your point that they are lying sacks of shiat when they say that stands.

I should have clarified.


Bwahahaha, the NRA is one of the smallest lobbies in washington, it's not even in the top 50. Where the NRA gets it's power isn't with money, but with several million people who want democrats to fark off and leave their guns alone.
 
2013-02-18 11:07:12 AM  

snocone: Say whutt?

The more than three million Americans who currently own AR-15s must wonder if any of these people know what they're talking about. These guns are not cheap, but they have been the best-selling long arm in this country for some years. Those three million people didn't buy them just to look at or because they are planning to use them to kill their fellow citizens.


The National Shooting Sports Foundation has surveyed the purchasers of AR-15s. The AR-15 is the most commonly used rifle for marksmanship training and competition. Nearly 90% of those who own an AR-15 use it for recreational target shooting; 51% of AR owners are members of shooting clubs and visit the range regularly. The typical AR owner is not a crazed teenage psychopath, but a 35+ year old, married and has some college education.


The popularity of the AR can be traced in part to the fact that it is a semi-automatic version of the rifle used by the men and women of the military. Nearly half of AR owners are veterans, law enforcement officers, or both. It is a configuration they are familiar with and enjoy shooting. My daughter, for example, served two tours in Iraq, one in Afghanistan, and only owns one gun - an AR.


AR 15s are good for hunting. Some buy an AR for home defense and about six percent of buyers are either collectors or varmint hunters. The standard AR is illegal in most states for deer and big game hunting because it is not considered powerful enough to reliably put down deer-sized or larger game, but is used for coyote, wolf and feral pig hunting in many states.


http://www.humanevents.com/2013/01/02/the-ar-15-the-gun-liberals-lo ve- to-hate/">http://www.humanevents.com/2013/01/02/the-ar-15-the-gun-lib erals-love- to-hate/


AR-15 rifles have barrel shrouds. I do not know what barrel shrouds are -- I believe them to be the shoulder things that go up -- but I have been assured that such devices serve no legitimate civilian purpose.
 
2013-02-18 11:22:15 AM  

GUTSU: Bwahahaha, the NRA is one of the smallest lobbies in washington, it's not even in the top 50. Where the NRA gets it's power isn't with money, but with several million people who want democrats to fark off and leave their guns alone.


In a nutshell...this!
 
2013-02-18 11:26:11 AM  
Gee I wonder where they got the idea? Probably one of the guns whispered it to them right?
 
2013-02-18 11:26:45 AM  

super_grass: Children and family of gun owners and NRA supporters deserve be executed on pay-per-view with all the profits going to the relatives of the people being senselessly killed by guns in this country.

I'd watch the hell out of it and laugh myself to sleep every night knowing that those homicidal nut jobs are suffering like their victims.

*sigh*, a person can dream :)


Ladies and gentlemen, THIS is what a homicidal psychopath sounds like. You get the whole "Fantasizing about killing a certain demographic in creative ways" mixed in with "No sense of conscience regarding personal wrongdoing". You are a sick person that needs to take up permanent residence in the nearest mental institution.

/see how you've become the very thing you claim to hate?
 
2013-02-18 11:37:31 AM  

James F. Campbell: Children who set cats on fire should be executed.

/Not kidding.


there are many avenues to fark with you on this

instead, i'd like to ask: where is the line drawn?

ever use a magnifying glass to fry an ant?

plink a bird with a bb rifle ?

hunting in general ?
 
2013-02-18 11:46:26 AM  

Zelron: Katolu: An armed teacher could have put those two little farkers down nice and quick. Clearly we need at the very least armed patrols in our elementary schools.

Um, an unarmed teacher did stop them.


I guess I need to recalibrate my sarcasm output...
 
2013-02-18 11:47:08 AM  

inner ted: James F. Campbell: Children who set cats on fire should be executed.

/Not kidding.

there are many avenues to fark with you on this

instead, i'd like to ask: where is the line drawn?

ever use a magnifying glass to fry an ant?

plink a bird with a bb rifle ?

hunting in general ?


Burning ants with a magnifying glass may be indicative of psychotic tendencies. Further investigation is warranted, however.

Hunting for subsistence or for pest control is typically not.
 
2013-02-18 12:10:25 PM  

andynz81: America, you crazy.


This times a billion. WTF is it with all the crazy lately?
 
2013-02-18 12:21:33 PM  

Dimensio: inner ted: James F. Campbell: Children who set cats on fire should be executed.

/Not kidding.

there are many avenues to fark with you on this

instead, i'd like to ask: where is the line drawn?

ever use a magnifying glass to fry an ant?

plink a bird with a bb rifle ?

hunting in general ?

Burning ants with a magnifying glass may be indicative of psychotic tendencies. Further investigation is warranted, however.

Hunting for subsistence or for pest control is typically not.


what 'further investigation' do you feel is warranted in such a case?

also: would you feel compelled to investigate a hunter who 'enjoyed' it too much ??
how would you know?
would they fill out a survey after every kill or would you just be checking them for boners?
 
2013-02-18 12:30:42 PM  

BigBurrito: FTA:

"To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.


This is what bothered me most in the article, and I'm pleased to see it came up in the very Weeners. Maybe I shouldn't be disgusted with all of humanity yet.
 
2013-02-18 12:32:02 PM  
...WHO THE HELL LET THEM GET THEIR HANDS ON A GUN ?!?!?
 
2013-02-18 12:32:03 PM  

Dimensio: R-15 rifles have barrel shrouds. I do not know what barrel shrouds are -- I believe them to be the shoulder things that go up -- but I have been assured that such devices serve no legitimate civilian purpose.


Uhhh....no, actually.  Most do not have a barrel shroud.  All come with a handguard, but most do not come with a barrel shroud.  As for the "shoulder things that go up"  I have no idea what you mean, but if the barrel is anywhere near your shoulder, you are doing it wrong.
 
2013-02-18 12:33:40 PM  

SkunkWerks: pyrotek85: I don't see how sabotaging your vehicle is anything but attempted murder.

Well, not that I would want to have my vehicle sabotaged in any way, but there are certainly ways which invoke considerably less potential for fatality.

For instance, up till that point this little bastard has been parking nails against my tires at an angle so that, once my car started rolling, I would puncture them.  Went through two tires before I figured out to check underneath my car every time I went to move it.

It was some time after that we graduated to loosening lugs, apparently.  Again, this was all because I wouldn't let him vandalize and caltrop a yard he had no business being in in the first place.

This child, from what I understand, also had a history of torturing animals.  Big shocker, I know.  So when I see a Prosecutor claiming that such acts are "just the sorts of things children do" it kinda makes me wonder about the entire community where these two would-be-murders grew up in- what standards they have, and how much it takes before one "sounds the alarm" that a parent is raising a future sociopath.

It doesn't take a village necessarily, but that doesn't mean the village doesn't leave it's mark on a child at all.


I can see leaving you with flat tires in the morning not being attempted murder, but what did he think was going to happen by loosening but not completely removing lug nuts? The intent had to be for them to come off while the vehicle was in motion, I can't see how'd they argue otherwise. Did anything ever happen after you called the police on him?
 
2013-02-18 12:35:13 PM  

craig328: quatchi: vygramul: The assault weapons ban would have prevented this.

Nope, but a gun lock and a responsible gun owner might have.

Would love to be a fly on the wall when they haul in whoever's gun this was and ask how this 10 yo stole his gun.

Gun lock?  You mean a kid that would steal a gun wouldn't figure out how to steal a frickin' key to unlock it with?

Maybe if the key itself had a lock, right?


You could go with a gun combination lock.  No keys!
 
2013-02-18 12:35:49 PM  

metal_gear: ...WHO THE HELL LET THEM GET THEIR HANDS ON A GUN ?!?!?


It was legally bought by the older girl.
 
2013-02-18 12:46:04 PM  

vygramul: craig328: quatchi: vygramul: The assault weapons ban would have prevented this.

Nope, but a gun lock and a responsible gun owner might have.

Would love to be a fly on the wall when they haul in whoever's gun this was and ask how this 10 yo stole his gun.

Gun lock?  You mean a kid that would steal a gun wouldn't figure out how to steal a frickin' key to unlock it with?

Maybe if the key itself had a lock, right?

You could go with a gun combination lock.  No keys!



EGAD!  That's it man!  You've just solved gun violence!
 
2013-02-18 01:19:16 PM  

mikaloyd: BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.

Cats are not worshipped as much in Hillbilly Holler Washington as they are on FARK. Its a regional thing.


if you think torturing any animal is ok, then you are a sociopath as well.
 
2013-02-18 01:19:57 PM  

quatchi: GAT_00: quatchi: Nope

That was his point.

But nobody has ever pretended that an AWB bill would solve everything.  And it's pretty clear at this point that we can't simply tell gun owners to be more responsible and think we've solved all the rest of the problems.

In point of fact I don't give a flying fart about the AWB. I've hoped since the beginning that this was just a chip on the table that will be taken off the table at some point and traded for of more money for mental health care (Which the NRA itself now endorses ,you'll note) and closing the gun sale loophole. The brick and mortar gun guys want to see the loophole closed as it forces more people into their big box ergo the GOP gets to say they stopped the AWB, more crazy folks get help, the loophole gets closed clearing up a grey area that's been rife for abuse and maybe dampening the more gung-ho nutty portions of the gun culture and hte cops get a better database to do their jobs. Some common sense registration stuff would be a cherry on the top there but regardless in that scenario everybody gets to say they've won and things get not perfect but better. This is what I hope.

/It should probably be noted that I'm also hoping for a hot steamy night-long romp with Scar Jo and Rachel Weiss later on this evening but that probably isn't gonna happen.
//I hope for a lot of things.
///Right now I'm hoping there's still a piece of cherry pie inna fridge. Mmmm ...Pie.


See this right here is the problem.... It seems like all any anti's know about guns is what the media has told them. Putting aside that the "gun show loophole" is not, the real problem is that studies have shown that almost no criminals (under 1% IIRC) get their firearms directly from this "loophole" and that no more get them indirectly through this "loophole" (strawman purchase for instance) than they do from any other source. In addition almost all of that ~1% would still get firearms through other means without this loophole. So basically you are talking about farking* over 150,000,000 private citizens in order to stop, less than 1000 gun crimes per year, of which only a dozen or two would involve people actually getting shot, and of which only a couple people would die (and some of the people shot or killed would be criminals!). Also there is the question of what this "loophole" really is.... and I guarantee that 95% of anti's can't even define it correctly even though it is incredibly simple to understand.

Almost all gun control laws are what I like to call "pre-crime" laws.... Laws that make something that is otherwise harmless, or even beneficial, illegal because on incredibly rare occasions it is part of the precursor actions of an actual crime. Pre-crime laws don't stop, or even slow, criminals except on the rare occasions they are caught by luck violating the pre-crime before they commit a real crime, but this is very very rare, and in the meantime these laws make life much harder for law abiding citizens, to the point that some otherwise law abiding citizens who make a simple mistake end up convicted under these laws, thus offsetting the societal benefit entirely. For instance, going to a school and shooting people with a gun is obviously a crime, but the federal government has also made it a crime to come within 1000 feet of a school with a gun (with each state able to make their own exceptions). Prior to this law being created guns went near, and in, schools tens of thousands of times per day without issue at least 99.9999% (this is not hyperbole) of the time, and they actually still do today (at least the near part). This law does nothing to stop school shootings, and turns thousands of law abiding citizens, usually unknowingly, into criminals every day. It is a do-nothing but harm, pre-crime law. Same as an any law to shut down the so called "gun show loopholes". 99.999% of the time firearms sold privately by law abiding citizens are not used in a crime by the new owner. Yet for some reason we are going to make this otherwise legal and harmless action into a crime, or charge people to do it legally? It makes less than no sense. These pre-crime laws are no different than outlawing alcohol for everyone because drinking it is occasionally the precursor to a crime. As a matter of fact doing that makes FAR more sense than requiring NICS checks for private gun sales because it would actually stop far more deaths and injuries, and would very directly do so.

*What do I mean by farking over? Let me detail it for you:

Chances are this gun check system would not be free, so that is $20 or more (most likely) lost to the check without hardly any crimes being stopped. This is also (as with most gun control laws all of which directly or indirectly increase the cost of ownership) discriminatory towards poor people. Single mom, bad neighborhood, criminals broke in to the house twice in the last year already? Just saving $200 for a crappy gun to protect her children could take most of a year. Add in paying a NCIS check fee and a requirement to purchase a safe, and suddenly it is more like 18 months before she can get a gun.
Any system of this nature will require gun registration to work. Without registration the only way to enforce this law is with stings, which takes a lot of time and effort on the part of the police for minimal effect. This is a very large part of why people are so strongly against checks for private sales. Anyone not blinded by anti-gun hysteria knows that the inevitable result of the laws will be registration, and historically registration has ALWAYS lead to confiscation, and confiscation eventually (varying from immediately to 50 years, but always eventually) to the loss of other rights.
In fact, the loss of rights thing is already built into some of these laws. For instance in Washington State they have a bill under consideration to require private sales to go through this kind of check. Appended to this law are also requirements to secure firearms and to allow a once-yearly check by the local sheriff to ensure the firearms are present and secured properly. In other words, in order to exercise your second amendment rights you will have to give up your 4th amendment rights.... WTF????
 
2013-02-18 01:28:22 PM  

Cornelius Dribble: Guns are much much more likely to be lethal than any other weapon


...said the person who has never seen what a knife can do. Seriously, if you think a gun can kill you any deader than a knife can, you're sadly mistaken. A firearm just makes it easier to kill someone from a distance.

This video is kinda cheesy, but it does give somewhat of a good idea as to how dangerous knives can be(NSFW, some gore and there's some crappy Death Metal in some parts).
 
2013-02-18 01:34:57 PM  

Smoking GNU: America is broken.


If we would stop making the people who do these horrible things famous then these things would happen much much less often. Giving them and their acts attention is exactly what drives others SEEKING ATTENTION to do these things. Without the attention there will almost never be sufficient motivation for anyone to actually do these kinds of things.
 
2013-02-18 01:42:58 PM  
Euthanize the defective little freaks.
 
2013-02-18 01:56:45 PM  

craig328: vygramul: craig328: quatchi: vygramul: The assault weapons ban would have prevented this.

Nope, but a gun lock and a responsible gun owner might have.

Would love to be a fly on the wall when they haul in whoever's gun this was and ask how this 10 yo stole his gun.

Gun lock?  You mean a kid that would steal a gun wouldn't figure out how to steal a frickin' key to unlock it with?

Maybe if the key itself had a lock, right?

You could go with a gun combination lock.  No keys!


EGAD!  That's it man!  You've just solved gun violence!


All we need now is for Congress to regulate the lock.

/That should keep them busy...
 
2013-02-18 02:05:18 PM  

vygramul: craig328: vygramul: craig328: quatchi: vygramul: The assault weapons ban would have prevented this.

Nope, but a gun lock and a responsible gun owner might have.

Would love to be a fly on the wall when they haul in whoever's gun this was and ask how this 10 yo stole his gun.

Gun lock?  You mean a kid that would steal a gun wouldn't figure out how to steal a frickin' key to unlock it with?

Maybe if the key itself had a lock, right?

You could go with a gun combination lock.  No keys!


EGAD!  That's it man!  You've just solved gun violence!

All we need now is for Congress to regulate the lock.

/That should keep them busy...


Meh.  They'll come up with a law that has us having to register the combinations.

//you can have my gun when you can pry left-21, right-45, left18 from my cold dead hands
 
2013-02-18 02:06:33 PM  

DarkLancelot: BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.

Glad I wasn't the only one that noticed that.  "They do kid's stuff.  Set the cat on fire.  Rain thermonuclear death over our neighbors.  You know, kid's stuff."


So that stood out to someone else too huh lol.

Cruelty is cruelty.
 
2013-02-18 02:10:58 PM  

Skraeling: DarkLancelot: BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.

Glad I wasn't the only one that noticed that.  "They do kid's stuff.  Set the cat on fire.  Rain thermonuclear death over our neighbors.  You know, kid's stuff."

So that stood out to someone else too huh lol.

Cruelty is cruelty.


Torturing animals as a child does not bode well for adulthood.
 
2013-02-18 02:13:41 PM  

PacManDreaming: BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.

That's what I'm wondering. As kids, we did pretty much everything on that list except set cats or dogs on fire. I think our favorite pastimes, growing up, were throwing snowballs at cars and dirt clods at each other.


I think what the psychologist was saying was that, for a ten-year-old, that's probably the most evil that they should be able to comprehend. Which I have to say I'd agree with; part of me is thinking that, if they hadn't gotten caught, the kid would have, at most, pulled the knife and tried to stab the girl before stopping.

The rest of me is wondering if anyone's sent social workers to those houses or given the kids psych screenings yet, because something's pretty damn farked up in those kids brains.
 
2013-02-18 02:25:22 PM  

PacManDreaming: Cornelius Dribble: Guns are much much more likely to be lethal than any other weapon

...said the person who has never seen what a knife can do. Seriously, if you think a gun can kill you any deader than a knife can, you're sadly mistaken. A firearm just makes it easier to kill someone from a distance.

This video is kinda cheesy, but it does give somewhat of a good idea as to how dangerous knives can be(NSFW, some gore and there's some crappy Death Metal in some parts).


Yeah knives scare me more than guns. If I was forced to choose I'd probably take getting shot once with a handgun vs a single stab or slash of a knife. Obviously neither are good, but a blade is much larger than a bullet, it's more likely to sever blood vessels whereas a bullet's damage is more focused, better chance of it missing something critical. Rifle cartridges however tend to be more disruptive to surrounding tissue.
 
2013-02-18 02:42:55 PM  

pyrotek85: PacManDreaming: Cornelius Dribble: Guns are much much more likely to be lethal than any other weapon

...said the person who has never seen what a knife can do. Seriously, if you think a gun can kill you any deader than a knife can, you're sadly mistaken. A firearm just makes it easier to kill someone from a distance.

This video is kinda cheesy, but it does give somewhat of a good idea as to how dangerous knives can be(NSFW, some gore and there's some crappy Death Metal in some parts).

Yeah knives scare me more than guns. If I was forced to choose I'd probably take getting shot once with a handgun vs a single stab or slash of a knife. Obviously neither are good, but a blade is much larger than a bullet, it's more likely to sever blood vessels whereas a bullet's damage is more focused, better chance of it missing something critical. Rifle cartridges however tend to be more disruptive to surrounding tissue.


Not so much rifle rounds but the type of round (ball, JHP, etc) and the caliber not to mention where it hits.  Any round will punch a hole and then either ricochet off bone and maybe shatter or maybe not.  The hollow points though deliver all that momentum energy into the wound cavity and THAT would be far worse than any blade would likely do to you.
 
2013-02-18 02:57:47 PM  

mikaloyd: BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.

Cats are not worshipped as much in Hillbilly Holler Washington as they are on FARK. Its a regional thing.


Hey, watch it! Eastern Washington shouldn't even be considered part of Washington.
 
2013-02-18 02:58:16 PM  

pyrotek85: Did anything ever happen after you called the police on him?


The police sat down and had a nice chat with both he and his mother.  I am uncertain if any formal charges were ever brought (though I gave every indication that I felt they should be brought).  Chances are it was the first time anyone had ever brought this much heat down on him at once.

Because it was a child that also provided the eye-witness account of the tampering, some ambiguity was claimed there as well in the boy's defense.

I never did find out what came of it ultimately.  I'm guessing that the cops, much like the prosecutor in this case, eventually shrugged their shoulders and said "it's just a thing that kids sometimes do," and let him off easy.  Haven't seen his name in the paper, yet.   He'd be about in his early 20's now.

Again, if the "village" isn't willing to do more than shrug stuff like this off, you've got a systemic problem there.
 
2013-02-18 03:08:41 PM  

pyrotek85: Yeah knives scare me more than guns. If I was forced to choose I'd probably take getting shot once with a handgun vs a single stab or slash of a knife. Obviously neither are good, but a blade is much larger than a bullet, it's more likely to sever blood vessels whereas a bullet's damage is more focused, better chance of it missing something critical.


I think you're ignorant of the statistical reality. Handguns, far and away, are responsible for the most deaths by assault in the United States. Source ("Homicide by weapon type")
 
2013-02-18 03:18:40 PM  

James F. Campbell: pyrotek85: Yeah knives scare me more than guns. If I was forced to choose I'd probably take getting shot once with a handgun vs a single stab or slash of a knife. Obviously neither are good, but a blade is much larger than a bullet, it's more likely to sever blood vessels whereas a bullet's damage is more focused, better chance of it missing something critical.

I think you're ignorant of the statistical reality. Handguns, far and away, are responsible for the most deaths by assault in the United States. Source ("Homicide by weapon type")


I meant scared of the kind of damage they can inflict. I know guns are responsible for more deaths because that's what people use in this age. They do offer advantages that knives don't and they're still pretty good at killing people obviously.
 
2013-02-18 03:58:49 PM  

GAT_00: quatchi: Nope

That was his point.

But nobody has ever pretended that an AWB bill would solve everything.  And it's pretty clear at this point that we can't simply tell gun owners to be more responsible and think we've solved all the rest of the problems.


So, Project Exile.  Mandatory 5 years in jail on top of the other penalties, if you use a gun in a crime.  Worked in Virginia, Sarah Brady _AND_ the NRA supported it.  Crime went down double-digit-percentages.  Later re-named "Project Safe Neighborhoods" and defunded by the Obama administration.
 
2013-02-18 04:11:38 PM  

mikaloyd: BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.

Cats are not worshipped as much in Hillbilly Holler Washington as they are on FARK. Its a regional thing.


I have a some family up in rural Washington, and I can vouch for this statement.

Up to the point where someone sets a cat on fire, my family would shoot that child, if only because flaming cats tend to spread fire and it's a pain to put out.
 
2013-02-18 04:35:05 PM  

GAT_00: quatchi: Nope

That was his point.

But nobody has ever pretended that an AWB bill would solve everything.  And it's pretty clear at this point that we can't simply tell gun owners to be more responsible and think we've solved all the rest of the problems.


Kind of like teenagers and sex. We simply can't tell them to be more responsible and think we'll have solved the... wait a second.

 And drug users would never benefit from education over prohobition... hold on.

 It seems education and discussion works for DAMN NEAR EVERYTHING ELSE, but suddenly it doesn't work for firearms because...that would make extra laws and bans unnecessary.

 Okay, got it.
 
2013-02-18 04:47:38 PM  

super_grass: Children and family of gun owners and NRA supporters deserve be executed on pay-per-view with all the profits going to the relatives of the people being senselessly killed by guns in this country.

I'd watch the hell out of it and laugh myself to sleep every night knowing that those homicidal nut jobs are suffering like their victims.

*sigh*, a person can dream :)


I'm going to take a wild guess that you live in a city and have never had to worry about wild animals....

Or you've never hunted to put food on your family's table.

 Or you've never had someone attack you.

There are plenty of reasons why someone might own a gun for their personal safety. Especially women.

 And while most of them are fairly indifferent to whether or not you personally want to own a gun yourself, the fact that you would rather execute people instead of allowing them to use guns in a positive and useful manner is rather psychotic.

/Of course, you just admitted to wanting to kill all police officers and soldiers too. So that's about par for the course then.
 
2013-02-18 04:55:44 PM  

cuzsis: And drug users would never benefit from education over prohobition


I'm very pro-Hobbiton.

www.filmfreakcentral.net

cuzsis: It seems education and discussion works for DAMN NEAR EVERYTHING ELSE, but suddenly it doesn't work for firearms


Suddenly?
 
2013-02-18 04:58:45 PM  

Satan's Dumptruck Driver: Can't learn the boundaries of what is acceptable when you aren't allowed near them.


You have a problematic attitude that's typical and doesn't help the problem.

"The boundaries of what is acceptable" is not "it's okay to punch him in the face but not shoot him".

"The boundaries of what is acceptable" is "it is not okay to verbally, physically, or sexually assault or harass another person, and no it is not just kids being kids, it's assault and harassment; if it would be a crime when you're 20 it's a crime when you're 10".

In your opinion, the bullied needs to learn the boundaries.  In actually, it's the bully that needs to learn them.
 
2013-02-18 05:06:53 PM  

Dimensio: snocone: Say whutt?

The more than three million Americans who currently own AR-15s must wonder if any of these people know what they're talking about. These guns are not cheap, but they have been the best-selling long arm in this country for some years. Those three million people didn't buy them just to look at or because they are planning to use them to kill their fellow citizens.


The National Shooting Sports Foundation has surveyed the purchasers of AR-15s. The AR-15 is the most commonly used rifle for marksmanship training and competition. Nearly 90% of those who own an AR-15 use it for recreational target shooting; 51% of AR owners are members of shooting clubs and visit the range regularly. The typical AR owner is not a crazed teenage psychopath, but a 35+ year old, married and has some college education.


The popularity of the AR can be traced in part to the fact that it is a semi-automatic version of the rifle used by the men and women of the military. Nearly half of AR owners are veterans, law enforcement officers, or both. It is a configuration they are familiar with and enjoy shooting. My daughter, for example, served two tours in Iraq, one in Afghanistan, and only owns one gun - an AR.


AR 15s are good for hunting. Some buy an AR for home defense and about six percent of buyers are either collectors or varmint hunters. The standard AR is illegal in most states for deer and big game hunting because it is not considered powerful enough to reliably put down deer-sized or larger game, but is used for coyote, wolf and feral pig hunting in many states.


http://www.humanevents.com/2013/01/02/the-ar-15-the-gun-liberals-lo ve- to-hate/">http://www.humanevents.com/2013/01/02/the-ar-15-the-gun-lib erals-love- to-hate/

AR-15 rifles have barrel shrouds. I do not know what barrel shrouds are -- I believe them to be the shoulder things that go up -- but I have been assured that such devices serve no legitimate civilian purpose.


Google it.


Shrouds are variable/optional handholds to keep you from burning yourself on a hot barrel.

Very lethal!
 
2013-02-18 05:12:06 PM  
I'll just leave this here

UN Maps Show US High In Gun Ownership
Published on http://www.ammoland.com/2013/02/u-n-maps-show-u-s-high-in-gun-ownershi p-low-in-homicides/" rel="bookmark" sab="70">Tuesday, February 12, 2013
 
2013-02-18 05:15:09 PM  
 
2013-02-18 06:54:06 PM  

snocone: Shrouds are variable/optional handholds to keep you from burning yourself on a hot barrel.

Very lethal!


It's a shroud.

A SHROUD.

SHROUD!

If that's not ALL ABOUT death, I don't know WHAT is.
 
2013-02-18 07:36:23 PM  

Farkage: quatchi: Farkage: IlGreven: quatchi: mental health care (Which the NRA itself now endorses ,you'll note)

...no, they don't.  They just say they do to take the heat off.  But as long as they keep national health organizations and HMOs on their "enemies of the 2nd amendment" watchlist for deigning to have the opinion that perhaps fewer guns would save us millions in healthcare costs, don't believe it for a second.

And exactly what makes you say that??  Why would you honestly believe they are against mental health care???

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/the-blockade-on-scie nc e-on-gun-violence/

It's not that scientists are uninterested in gun research or don't know how to study guns' connection to violence.  It's rather that the N.R.A. has blocked most efforts at serious gun research, going so far as to restrict access to the highly informative data available from Justice Department traces of guns used in crimes.  As The Times reported, "Scientists in the field and former officials with the government agency that used to finance the great bulk of this research say the influence of the National Rife Association has all but choked off money for such work."

As a result, things still stand pretty much as they were in 2004.  There is no scientific consensus on the best approach to limiting gun violence, and the N.R.A. is blocking work that might well lead to such a consensus.

This.

You quoted an opinion blog as "facts"??  That was a liberal-biased opinion about "gun research".  How about if you try reading this and give another shot at answering my question, mkay?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-2923101.html


gbge.aclu.org
 
2013-02-18 08:10:32 PM  

SkunkWerks: cuzsis: And drug users would never benefit from education over prohobition

I'm very pro-Hobbiton.

[www.filmfreakcentral.net image 450x300]

cuzsis: It seems education and discussion works for DAMN NEAR EVERYTHING ELSE, but suddenly it doesn't work for firearms

Suddenly?


Massively off topic, but hilarious. Thanks! :)
 
gja
2013-02-18 09:22:20 PM  

super_grass: TomD9938: super_grass: Children and family of gun owners and NRA supporters deserve be executed on pay-per-view with all the profits going to the relatives of the people being senselessly killed by guns in this country.

I'd watch the hell out of it and laugh myself to sleep every night knowing that those homicidal nut jobs are suffering like their victims.

*sigh*, a person can dream :)


You need new material.

You need better ways to compensate for you lack of manhood.


And there it is gentlefolk. The inevitable "penile size" reference so ineptly used when desperation sets in.

Advocating the violent murder of men, women and children based on some loose affiliations with an interest group?
So, sociopathic behavior with extreme vendetta bents is good in your view?
What you have written is disgusting and portrays you as likely worse than those whose deaths you would so willingly drool over.
Perhaps some soul searching is in order for you. You may want to rethink what you have written.

I will pray you have the most excellent luxury of never having to pick up arms and actually protect either yourself or one you love or care for.
Nobody has ever, nor will ever, do so with a gleeful smile. It is an intensely stressful and terrible thing to have to do.
You seem to be quite looking forward to doling out retribution you deem righteous in your views.
God complex much?
 
2013-02-19 07:51:50 AM  

Giltric: stonicus: Giltric: Zelron: Giltric: The firearm doesn't create the disregard for human life.
People are broken...address that first before more firearm legislation.

Why not both at the same time?

Because millions of responsible gun owners shouldn't be punished due to those who are irresponsible.

I agree... just because one jackass is going to be irresponsible with <choose one from list below> shouldn't mean I can't have any.

a chunk of plutonium
LSD
heroine
bath salts
mustard gas
a bengal tiger as a pet
grenades
an EMP generator
huge bonfires in my backyard
(list could go on and on and on...)

Would you be in favor of mandatory breathalyzer ignition locks on all cars?
How about people who made good financial choices when it came to buying a home bailing out those who didn't?

The bailout/mortgage thing might be a bad example...because people on the left LOVE free shiat and being absolved of responsibility.


at least carrots/green beans will still be legal, right???

then it's a paradise
where's my gun
 
2013-02-19 02:14:43 PM  

Darke: James F. Campbell: Children who set cats on fire should be executed.

/Not kidding.

Reminds me of Ender's brother... what was his name....?  Peter?


Yep, that was Peter Wiggin.  I'm a big fanatic of the Enders Game series and think the story could apply here.
Peter was the first-born of the Wiggin family, and he had a monitor from the government watching him to see if he could grow up to lead the human army to defeat some aliens.  But he was too aggressive and power-hungry, so the monitor was removed and he was kicked out of the program.

Next Ender was born, and all of a sudden Peter was no longer the golden boy.  He didn't get the attention he felt he deserved, it was clear that his parents loved Ender more, and Peter was somewhat warped by it.  He started bullying Ender because he was jealous, he flayed squirrels to try to figure out how they worked, and even while maintaining the appearance of a healthy innocent boy, became a bit of a monster.

Another case of a kid starved for attention, feeling unloved, and bitter about the other happy people, who ends up turning to cruelty, violence, and bullying.
Should child protective services take the kinds in this article away from their parents?  Through either neglect or bad parenting, they might be raising some dangerous little humans...

Either way, I think there should be a law:  If you have a gun and don't secure it and someone else gets it.  YOU are responsible for whatever happens to that gun.  The adult who owned that 1911, all of a sudden they are charged with bringing a gun into a school (even though some kid did it).  That's probably several years in prison?  Someone steals your poorly secured gun and shoots someone, YOU are charged with murder too.  Pass that law, where you are responsible for whatever your gun does, and people will start securing their firearms.
 
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