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(LA Times)   School shooting massacre averted. List found targeting six elementary school students including one girl because she was annoying. Suspects are two ten-year-olds who brought a gun and knife to school   (articles.latimes.com) divider line 208
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2013-02-18 06:35:41 AM
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Win, Win, Win, Win
 
2013-02-18 06:38:32 AM

quatchi: A link from 2009?


And yep!  A link from 2009!  It's knows an "demonstrating the history of the topic" as opposed to implying that someone just now started saying they support topic XYZ.  Nice try on your end though...
 
2013-02-18 06:46:27 AM

PacManDreaming: BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.

That's what I'm wondering. As kids, we did pretty much everything on that list except set cats or dogs on fire. I think our favorite pastimes, growing up, were throwing snowballs at cars and dirt clods at each other.


We had a boy in our neighborhood who set a cat on fire. All the kids knew not to be anywhere alone with him. IIRC he looked like an angel.
 
2013-02-18 06:49:38 AM

padraig: violentsalvation: I don't know where this 1911 came from, but people need to secure their f*cking guns, goddammit.

And it's a magazine, not a clip, LA Times.

OH MY GOD WHO THE HELL CARES ???


I wanted to hit the SMART button twice. If you know what they're talking about, you've been communicated with. Move on to the real issues. Keerist.
 
2013-02-18 07:02:03 AM
Not one mention of the parents. Because all parents are just doing their best.
 
2013-02-18 07:14:46 AM

unlikely: How many of these school killers were first bully targets? Like what percentage?

Just curious.


That'd be my guess.  Never underestimate how horrible the "annoying" girl is...

/if it's anything like my life, this little girl will grow up to work for a lawmaker in DC and the boys will grow up to sit in a Panera bread with their laptops browsing Fark.
 
2013-02-18 07:15:13 AM
Guns keep your kids safe.
 
2013-02-18 07:43:41 AM

quatchi: "I was going to kill her with the knife and [the other boy] was supposed to use the gun to keep anyone from trying to stop me or mess up our plan," the older boy told detectives.

That's purely farked up. Why stab and not just shoot?

The older boy said he had been friends with the girl for several months "but that he hated her now." He said the girl "had recently become rude and would pick on him."

Ah, it's personal.


Oh man. What's sick is she's probably picking on him b/c she likes him.

/that's what I used to do when I was that age.
 
2013-02-18 07:44:36 AM

super_grass: Children and family of gun owners and NRA supporters deserve be executed on pay-per-view with all the profits going to the relatives of the people being senselessly killed by guns in this country.

I'd watch the hell out of it and laugh myself to sleep every night knowing that those homicidal nut jobs are suffering like their victims.

*sigh*, a person can dream :)


speaking of "homicidal nut jobs"...  I don't think it means what you think it means.
 
2013-02-18 07:44:36 AM
Hmm...I have an 11 yr old.
Normal 11 yr olds do NOT set cats on fire. They do NOT shoot BBs at cars. They most certainly do NOT take weapons to school. I can't see where my 11 yr old would ever even come up with that idea.

My kids have all had bullies. They never took a weapon to school. My current 11 yr old spent the summer writing a book of comebacks.

/Luckily, his bully was expelled from the school.
 
2013-02-18 07:47:42 AM

James F. Campbell: Children who set cats on fire should be executed.

/Not kidding.


Reminds me of Ender's brother... what was his name....?  Peter?
 
2013-02-18 07:49:48 AM

namatad: violentsalvation: I don't know the answer to this question. I don't know where the kid got the gun, so it's hard to apply a solution to this scenario.

nope
the question is NOT given the facts, what should happen.
the question is GIVEN the plausible scenarios, what should happen.

case 1) the gun was left in a public bathroom by the gun's owner. this happens often it seems, at least in fark headlines. What should happen to the gun owner? (my thought is 10-20 hard time)

case 2) the gun is owned by one of the parents of the two children. What should happen to the parent? (my thought is 10-20 hard time)

case 3) someone sold the gun to the child. What should happen to the seller? (my thought is death my hanging ...)

/we know that we dont know HOW the kid got the gun. we CAN talk about these 3 scenarios.
/what will happen? probably NOTHING.
/Most likely scenario is parent's gun. kid "stole" it. Gun was not in a safe. Wasnt locked in a drawer or kid got access to key. Didnt have a trigger lock or kid got access to the key.
/Once again, the question is NOT, how did the kid get the gun. IT is what SHOULD we do to reduce the number of these events. Given the 3 scenarios, WHAT should be done?


don't forget the knife - the intended murder weapon. We need to secure them as well. screwdrivers and pencils are next.

/drink the vodak while you can!
 
2013-02-18 07:58:44 AM

Cornelius Dribble: Broken people are a lot less dangerous without guns in their hands.


Based on the assumption they won't choose an equally dangerous method to achieve their goals.

According to this report the initial plan was for a stabbing with the gun as a backup. Debating about whether the lack of a gun, a knife, a club or a rock would have made the situation better is kind of silly when what you really want is for ten year olds to not be offing each other.

I mean, that's what we all want, isn't it?
 
2013-02-18 08:01:12 AM

Giltric: The firearm doesn't create the disregard for human life.
People are broken...address that first before more firearm legislation.


Why not both at the same time?
 
2013-02-18 08:03:02 AM

namatad: violentsalvation: I don't know where this 1911 came from, but people need to secure their f*cking guns, goddammit.

what is the proper punishment for the owner of this gun?
or if the kid bought it, the seller of the gun?

and if the punishment doesnt include 10-50 years in prison or death, how would we actually get people to secure their guns??
currently some people failing completely


The current so-called "justice system" focuses on revenge, not reformation. Support of the death penalty, wars, cops getting away with killing innocent people because it's generally considered a price to pay for getting "bad guys"...

This culture of revenge inevitably filters down to the kids. Deal with it.
 
2013-02-18 08:03:20 AM

omeganuepsilon: phalaeo: BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.

Came in here to point this out.  Setting a cat on fire is just a thing children do?

Some, yes.  Kids to an insurmountable amount of stupid shiat because they don't have a sense of what will happen, and a complete lack of a sense of repercussion, backed by insatiable curiosity.  Same with toys up the nose or a million other retarded things.

Can't even say it's particularly psychotic unless it's an older child.  The indicator for that is how they feel afterward.


No, I'm going to disagree and say setting a cat on fire is a bad thing.  At 10/11, a kid has touched a stove and learned that fire hurts.  Applying that fire to another creature is not something that comes out of curosity.  I might believe setting ants on fire with a magnifying glass was "something kids do," but even then, where are you going to find a magnifying glass these days?
 
2013-02-18 08:07:44 AM

Katolu: An armed teacher could have put those two little farkers down nice and quick. Clearly we need at the very least armed patrols in our elementary schools.


Um, an unarmed teacher did stop them.
 
2013-02-18 08:09:31 AM

Zelron: Giltric: The firearm doesn't create the disregard for human life.
People are broken...address that first before more firearm legislation.

Why not both at the same time?


Because, if we fix the disregard for human life, then people can enjoy recreational shooting and such without using their guns to kill each other, and the firearm legislation will be needless.
 
2013-02-18 08:09:41 AM

Zelron: Katolu: An armed teacher could have put those two little farkers down nice and quick. Clearly we need at the very least armed patrols in our elementary schools.

Um, an unarmed teacher did stop them.


....THIS time.... .

/insert vincent price laugh...
 
2013-02-18 08:14:58 AM

way south: Cornelius Dribble: Broken people are a lot less dangerous without guns in their hands.

Based on the assumption they won't choose an equally dangerous method to achieve their goals.

According to this report the initial plan was for a stabbing with the gun as a backup. Debating about whether the lack of a gun, a knife, a club or a rock would have made the situation better is kind of silly when what you really want is for ten year olds to not be offing each other.

I mean, that's what we all want, isn't it?


Guns are much much more likely to be lethal than any other weapon, as homicide rates from around the world have shown us for years,.But if you've ignored the statistics up until now, there's no sense bringing them up yet again, I suppose.
 
2013-02-18 08:19:09 AM

way south: Cornelius Dribble: Broken people are a lot less dangerous without guns in their hands.

Based on the assumption they won't choose an equally dangerous method to achieve their goals.

According to this report the initial plan was for a stabbing with the gun as a backup. Debating about whether the lack of a gun, a knife, a club or a rock would have made the situation better is kind of silly when what you really want is for ten year olds to not be offing each other.

I mean, that's what we all want, isn't it?


Yes.  That's what we want.  In the interim, we'd also like to make it harder for kids to off each other.  Guns are more powerful and better for killing.  That's why we send soldiers out with guns and knives instead of just knives.

I think the problem is complex and no one solution will solve it.  Limit the damage that kids can do, mental health care and screenings.  I think psychopathy is easier to identify in children than in adults because by the time one is an adult they're better at disguising their lack of empathy.
 
2013-02-18 08:20:34 AM

GAT_00: quatchi: Nope

That was his point.

But nobody has ever pretended that an AWB bill would solve everything.  And it's pretty clear at this point that we can't simply tell gun owners to be more responsible and think we've solved all the rest of the problems.


I'm pro gun rights and against any AWB bill - but all of that being said, I think that if a gun owner's gun is stolen and used in the commission of a crime, and if it can be proven that the gun was stolen due to negligence on the part of the gun owner, then the gun owner should face some kind of criminal charge. Maybe some degree of being an accessory to the commission of the crime or something.
 
2013-02-18 08:22:27 AM

Cornelius Dribble: way south: Cornelius Dribble: Broken people are a lot less dangerous without guns in their hands.

Based on the assumption they won't choose an equally dangerous method to achieve their goals.

According to this report the initial plan was for a stabbing with the gun as a backup. Debating about whether the lack of a gun, a knife, a club or a rock would have made the situation better is kind of silly when what you really want is for ten year olds to not be offing each other.

I mean, that's what we all want, isn't it?

Guns are much much more likely to be lethal than any other weapon, as homicide rates from around the world have shown us for years,.But if you've ignored the statistics up until now, there's no sense bringing them up yet again, I suppose.


So, the argument really is: well, we don't care if people attack and injure each other, we just care if they're able to  kill each other.  Got it. So let's not fix the problem, let's just make it harder to quickly kill and leave people injured and traumatized instead.

/that argument makes no farking sense whatsoever.
 
2013-02-18 08:24:58 AM

digitalrain: GAT_00: quatchi: Nope

That was his point.

But nobody has ever pretended that an AWB bill would solve everything.  And it's pretty clear at this point that we can't simply tell gun owners to be more responsible and think we've solved all the rest of the problems.

I'm pro gun rights and against any AWB bill - but all of that being said, I think that if a gun owner's gun is stolen and used in the commission of a crime, and if it can be proven that the gun was stolen due to negligence on the part of the gun owner, then the gun owner should face some kind of criminal charge. Maybe some degree of being an accessory to the commission of the crime or something.


This. If the gun owner failed to secure his weapons and they were taken and used in a crime, then the gun owner should be held liable, with the proviso that if the gun owner did everything possible to secure his weapons, and immediately notified police upon finding them missing, that liability be waived.
 
2013-02-18 08:27:02 AM

Smoking GNU: America is broken.


Have you checked to make sure it's plugged in?
 
2013-02-18 08:28:27 AM
The best solution is to shrink the size of ,or even if possible, abolish completely , large schools. it is unnatural, unhealthy and not producing the results desired to house for 8-10 hours a day this many children under one roof. The ideal way would be to have true neighborhood learning centers with several teachers with less than 50 kids per center. five times a year the learning centers would have assembly days with several dozen centers meeting for a week for kids to meet and greet. Once a year have a large convention of learning centers. After the kids finish 10 years they then can be shuffled into college or work directed technical schools . This is how it is done in my imaginary world and there has never been one murder,rape or teacher bang-a-thon ever. BUT that would mean giving over portion of the control to locals and that is where you farkers would have the problem.
 
2013-02-18 08:34:51 AM

swangoatman: .... BUT that would mean giving over portion of the control to locals and that is where you farkers would have the problem.


Meh - the problem THERE is that the "locals" often have extreme views on certain things - be it Jesus-Land, or Hippy-Land. I think schooling should be left to things that are FACT - so you can leave the experimental/theory stuff until AFTER the kid is old enough to decide for themselves - without Minister FSM coercing them to one side or the other...

/I live in a redneck, rural county with a huge liberal arts university, so I'd get a kick...
 
2013-02-18 08:49:20 AM
FTA: "School authorities said two fifth-grade boys planned to use the weapons to lure another student outside the school..."

So...  was she the sort of girl that could be lured by the promise of weapons?

FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

I would argue that any child that sets a cat on fire "just because" has higher "aspirations" in life- of the sort that would horrify most people.  Most Psychologists would agree.  Maybe there's something wrong with your definition of "innocuous pranks" my dear Prosecutor.

CSB: I once had a twelve-year-old loosen the lug nuts on both of my front tires, then replace the hubcaps, simply because I objected to him breaking glass in our back yard which was:

a) frequented by toddlers and other children younger than six.
b) wasn't his goddamn yard in the first place.

I'd been driving on the pike that day, with two very young children and one other person in that car with me.  I'd been driving at high speeds.  Fortunately I noticed the wobble fairly quickly and got the hell off the highway to check it out.  If I'd lost one or both of my front wheels, that very well could have gotten one or more of us killed.  I'd later get the testimony from one of the neighbor's children that he had, indeed, done just that.

When confronted, the twelve-year-old's mother had the following to say:

"Not MY son!"

I told her I had little interest in what she thought her son was and was not capable of- as her perception of it was clearly warped and likely more than a little responsible for how this little monster had gotten to be that way in the first place.  Then I called the cops on the little bastard and his negligent twat of a mother.

Moral of the story: children like this don't grow up that way in a vacuum.
 
2013-02-18 08:55:09 AM
I sincerely hope the kids are not tried as adults, and that all of the children involved get help.
 
2013-02-18 08:59:59 AM

SkunkWerks: FTA: "School authorities said two fifth-grade boys planned to use the weapons to lure another student outside the school..."

So...  was she the sort of girl that could be lured by the promise of weapons?

FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

I would argue that any child that sets a cat on fire "just because" has higher "aspirations" in life- of the sort that would horrify most people.  Most Psychologists would agree.  Maybe there's something wrong with your definition of "innocuous pranks" my dear Prosecutor.

CSB: I once had a twelve-year-old loosen the lug nuts on both of my front tires, then replace the hubcaps, simply because I objected to him breaking glass in our back yard which was:

a) frequented by toddlers and other children younger than six.
b) wasn't his goddamn yard in the first place.

I'd been driving on the pike that day, with two very young children and one other person in that car with me.  I'd been driving at high speeds.  Fortunately I noticed the wobble fairly quickly and got the hell off the highway to check it out.  If I'd lost one or both of my front wheels, that very well could have gotten one or more of us killed.  I'd later get the testimony from one of the neighbor's children that he had, indeed, done just that.

When confronted, the twelve-year-old's mother had the following to say:

"Not MY son!"

I told her I had little interest in what she thought her son was and was not capable of- as her perception of it was clearly warped and likely more than a little responsible for how this little monster had gotten to be that way in the first place.  Then I called the cops on the little bastard and his negligent twat of a mother.

Moral of the story: children like this don't grow up that way in a vacuum.


Holy crap, I hope they locked the little bastard up. I don't see how sabotaging your vehicle is anything but attempted murder.
 
2013-02-18 09:06:17 AM
Don't parents talk to their kids anymore?  Hell, do they even parent their kids anymore or just leave them with the xBox?  It may be good to try to teach them that killing other people is a bad thing...and there are better ways to handle conflicts than to stab or shoot people.
 
2013-02-18 09:14:48 AM

Cornelius Dribble: way south: Cornelius Dribble: Broken people are a lot less dangerous without guns in their hands.

Based on the assumption they won't choose an equally dangerous method to achieve their goals.

According to this report the initial plan was for a stabbing with the gun as a backup. Debating about whether the lack of a gun, a knife, a club or a rock would have made the situation better is kind of silly when what you really want is for ten year olds to not be offing each other.

I mean, that's what we all want, isn't it?

Guns are much much more likely to be lethal than any other weapon, as homicide rates from around the world have shown us for years,.But if you've ignored the statistics up until now, there's no sense bringing them up yet again, I suppose.

Guns aren't the most lethal weapon, statistically speaking.
The highest casualty incidents usually involve arson or explosives.   Homicide rates from around the world have shown that gun bans only work in already low crime areas.Its like saying that painting your car white prevents birds from pooping on it, but then you only choose white cars parked in garages to prove your case.Again, this was a planned stabbing. You've got two violent little farkwits ready to cause a tragedy and your thought is that removing the gun would have made everything better.Humans don't work that way.
 
2013-02-18 09:21:48 AM

pyrotek85: I don't see how sabotaging your vehicle is anything but attempted murder.


Well, not that I would want to have my vehicle sabotaged in any way, but there are certainly ways which invoke considerably less potential for fatality.

For instance, up till that point this little bastard has been parking nails against my tires at an angle so that, once my car started rolling, I would puncture them.  Went through two tires before I figured out to check underneath my car every time I went to move it.

It was some time after that we graduated to loosening lugs, apparently.  Again, this was all because I wouldn't let him vandalize and caltrop a yard he had no business being in in the first place.

This child, from what I understand, also had a history of torturing animals.  Big shocker, I know.  So when I see a Prosecutor claiming that such acts are "just the sorts of things children do" it kinda makes me wonder about the entire community where these two would-be-murders grew up in- what standards they have, and how much it takes before one "sounds the alarm" that a parent is raising a future sociopath.

It doesn't take a village necessarily, but that doesn't mean the village doesn't leave it's mark on a child at all.
 
2013-02-18 09:22:10 AM
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Picture of annoying girl...
 
2013-02-18 09:24:33 AM
"To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do

WTF, if this is really what "normal" 10 and 11 year old are expected do today then American society is really to sick to survive and Ragnarok can't come soon enough.

I know that kids do stupid things, I did a lot of stupid "here hold my beer" moments (but w/o beer) but save a few abandon barns any damage done was either to myself or my friends, oh and my car I had in HS, but as far as my parents are concerned I hit a deer ;-)
 
2013-02-18 09:24:34 AM

super_grass: Children and family of gun owners and NRA supporters deserve be executed on pay-per-view with all the profits going to the relatives of the people being senselessly killed by guns in this country.

I'd watch the hell out of it and laugh myself to sleep every night knowing that those homicidal nut jobs are suffering like their victims.

*sigh*, a person can dream :)


I recommend that you consult a psychiatrist regarding your psychotic tendencies.
 
2013-02-18 09:32:13 AM

Farkage: You don't see a difference between the statement of "The NRA is against mental health care" and having someone's rights restored?  Really?  And as I said, the initially quoted article had nothing to do with mental health, did it?  But that is your "Evidence"?  Goalpost moving or just comprehension fail?


Wow, it's sorta like watching a chicken with it's head cut off running around the yard by this point.

If you can't figure out that the NRA giving guns back to people with mental issues and preventing any research into correlations between gun violence and mental illness is proof that the NRA doesn't give a crap about reducing gun violence or mental health then you are either too stupid for words or simple minded troll who can't read.

You are really, really bad at this.
 
2013-02-18 09:36:54 AM

quatchi: vygramul: The assault weapons ban would have prevented this.

Nope, but a gun lock and a responsible gun owner might have.

Would love to be a fly on the wall when they haul in whoever's gun this was and ask how this 10 yo stole his gun.


Gun lock?  You mean a kid that would steal a gun wouldn't figure out how to steal a frickin' key to unlock it with?

Maybe if the key itself had a lock, right?
 
2013-02-18 09:39:20 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: I think I would love to see a ten year old try to shoot a .45


Oh?  Why?  My 10 year old son has shot my Glock .45 along with my 13 year old daughter when she was 12.  They're both quite good shots with it.

Neither wet their pants while doing so either.
 
2013-02-18 10:03:37 AM

Cornelius Dribble: Broken people are a lot less dangerous without guns in their hands.


Gacy, Bundy, Dahmer, Bianchi and Buono, Ridgway, Rifkin, Knowles......

I'd wager broken people use their hands more than a firearm. Especially since a majority of firearm homicides are business related...ie drug trade related.
 
2013-02-18 10:09:32 AM

SkunkWerks: pyrotek85: I don't see how sabotaging your vehicle is anything but attempted murder.

Well, not that I would want to have my vehicle sabotaged in any way, but there are certainly ways which invoke considerably less potential for fatality.

For instance, up till that point this little bastard has been parking nails against my tires at an angle so that, once my car started rolling, I would puncture them.  Went through two tires before I figured out to check underneath my car every time I went to move it.

It was some time after that we graduated to loosening lugs, apparently.  Again, this was all because I wouldn't let him vandalize and caltrop a yard he had no business being in in the first place.

This child, from what I understand, also had a history of torturing animals.  Big shocker, I know.  So when I see a Prosecutor claiming that such acts are "just the sorts of things children do" it kinda makes me wonder about the entire community where these two would-be-murders grew up in- what standards they have, and how much it takes before one "sounds the alarm" that a parent is raising a future sociopath.

It doesn't take a village necessarily, but that doesn't mean the village doesn't leave it's mark on a child at all.


Best trick:
glue a tiny pebble into the valve stem cap.
Slow leak is produced.
When mechanic removes cap to inflate tire and check for leaks, no leak.
Mechanic puts cap back on and rolls tire out to car.
Tire flat again next morning.
No serious damage.
 
2013-02-18 10:12:46 AM

Zelron: Giltric: The firearm doesn't create the disregard for human life.
People are broken...address that first before more firearm legislation.

Why not both at the same time?


Because millions of responsible gun owners shouldn't be punished due to those who are irresponsible.
 
2013-02-18 10:13:25 AM

GranoblasticMan: Smoking GNU: America is broken.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?


This is what happens when you fail to reboot routinely.

You know, we could do 24/7 monitor of Congresscritters,,,
 
2013-02-18 10:23:17 AM

quatchi: Farkage: You don't see a difference between the statement of "The NRA is against mental health care" and having someone's rights restored?  Really?  And as I said, the initially quoted article had nothing to do with mental health, did it?  But that is your "Evidence"?  Goalpost moving or just comprehension fail?

Wow, it's sorta like watching a chicken with it's head cut off running around the yard by this point.

If you can't figure out that the NRA giving guns back to people with mental issues and preventing any research into correlations between gun violence and mental illness is proof that the NRA doesn't give a crap about reducing gun violence or mental health then you are either too stupid for words or simple minded troll who can't read.

You are really, really bad at this.


Initial statement: "The NRA is against mental health but just recently started supporting it".  Me: "What makes you say that?"  You:  "Here's an opinion blog"  Me: "Here's an actual news article from 2009 that proves otherwise". You: "But..but...gun violence investigation!!!"  Me: "But that isn't being against mental health, is it?"  You: Deeerp.
Dude, there is nothing wrong with someone getting their rights restored.  It shouldn't be automatic, but to say that someone is being allowed to own a firearm that at one point had issues in the past is a pretty stupid thing to do.  Should someone that got a DWI 20 years ago and no longer drrinks at all be allowed to have a license now?  If not, you better go out there and lobby to get the millions of pieces of sh*t off the road.  According to your logic at least.
Try to keep up with the adults, okay?
 
2013-02-18 10:24:48 AM

Giltric: Zelron: Giltric: The firearm doesn't create the disregard for human life.
People are broken...address that first before more firearm legislation.

Why not both at the same time?

Because millions of responsible gun owners shouldn't be punished due to those who are irresponsible.


I agree... just because one jackass is going to be irresponsible with <choose one from list below> shouldn't mean I can't have any.

a chunk of plutonium
LSD
heroine
bath salts
mustard gas
a bengal tiger as a pet
grenades
an EMP generator
huge bonfires in my backyard
(list could go on and on and on...)
 
2013-02-18 10:25:32 AM
Say whutt?

The more than three million Americans who currently own AR-15s must wonder if any of these people know what they're talking about. These guns are not cheap, but they have been the best-selling long arm in this country for some years. Those three million people didn't buy them just to look at or because they are planning to use them to kill their fellow citizens.


The National Shooting Sports Foundation has surveyed the purchasers of AR-15s. The AR-15 is the most commonly used rifle for marksmanship training and competition. Nearly 90% of those who own an AR-15 use it for recreational target shooting; 51% of AR owners are members of shooting clubs and visit the range regularly. The typical AR owner is not a crazed teenage psychopath, but a 35+ year old, married and has some college education.


The popularity of the AR can be traced in part to the fact that it is a semi-automatic version of the rifle used by the men and women of the military. Nearly half of AR owners are veterans, law enforcement officers, or both. It is a configuration they are familiar with and enjoy shooting. My daughter, for example, served two tours in Iraq, one in Afghanistan, and only owns one gun - an AR.


AR 15s are good for hunting. Some buy an AR for home defense and about six percent of buyers are either collectors or varmint hunters. The standard AR is illegal in most states for deer and big game hunting because it is not considered powerful enough to reliably put down deer-sized or larger game, but is used for coyote, wolf and feral pig hunting in many states.


http://www.humanevents.com/2013/01/02/the-ar-15-the-gun-liberals-lo ve- to-hate/">http://www.humanevents.com/2013/01/02/the-ar-15-the-gun-lib erals-love- to-hate/
 
2013-02-18 10:30:07 AM

stonicus: Giltric: Zelron: Giltric: The firearm doesn't create the disregard for human life.
People are broken...address that first before more firearm legislation.

Why not both at the same time?

Because millions of responsible gun owners shouldn't be punished due to those who are irresponsible.

I agree... just because one jackass is going to be irresponsible with <choose one from list below> shouldn't mean I can't have any.

a chunk of plutonium
LSD
heroine
bath salts
mustard gas
a bengal tiger as a pet
grenades
an EMP generator
huge bonfires in my backyard
(list could go on and on and on...)


Heroine you can have if you find you and she agrees with it.  Heroin, not so much.

Bath salts at literally any drugstore you care to name.

Bengal tiger?  Only if you can do magic and not wear Heinz 57 as aftershave.

Huge bonfires?  Why not?  Depends on where you live, I suppose.

Your breathless list of scary things you shouldn't have said more about you than you probably thought it would.
 
2013-02-18 10:30:23 AM

stonicus: Giltric: Zelron: Giltric: The firearm doesn't create the disregard for human life.
People are broken...address that first before more firearm legislation.

Why not both at the same time?

Because millions of responsible gun owners shouldn't be punished due to those who are irresponsible.

I agree... just because one jackass is going to be irresponsible with <choose one from list below> shouldn't mean I can't have any.

a chunk of plutonium
LSD
heroine
bath salts
mustard gas
a bengal tiger as a pet
grenades
an EMP generator
huge bonfires in my backyard
(list could go on and on and on...)


Would you be in favor of mandatory breathalyzer ignition locks on all cars?
How about people who made good financial choices when it came to buying a home bailing out those who didn't?

The bailout/mortgage thing might be a bad example...because people on the left LOVE free shiat and being absolved of responsibility.
 
2013-02-18 10:41:44 AM

craig328: Your breathless list of scary things you shouldn't have said more about you than you probably thought it would.


Weren't supposed to be scary.  Just a list of things that can be quite useful is used properly, and quite harmful if used irresponsibly.
 
2013-02-18 10:41:52 AM
Giltric: 
 breathalyzer ignition locks

Umm, a myth.
Can defeat with a balloon.
The quest for one that is not easily defeated goes on.
 
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