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(LA Times)   School shooting massacre averted. List found targeting six elementary school students including one girl because she was annoying. Suspects are two ten-year-olds who brought a gun and knife to school   (articles.latimes.com) divider line 208
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gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-17 10:51:46 PM  
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2013-02-17 11:05:15 PM  
FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.
 
2013-02-17 11:08:22 PM  

BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.


You can pretty much bet that any kid that sets cats on fire is going to end up killing people later in life.
 
2013-02-18 12:06:07 AM  

Dinki: BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.

You can pretty much bet that any kid that sets cats on fire is going to end up killing people later in life.


Pretty much, but people are delusional about kids these days.
 
2013-02-18 12:07:19 AM  

BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.


Glad I wasn't the only one that noticed that.  "They do kid's stuff.  Set the cat on fire.  Rain thermonuclear death over our neighbors.  You know, kid's stuff."
 
2013-02-18 12:08:34 AM  
"I was going to kill her with the knife and [the other boy] was supposed to use the gun to keep anyone from trying to stop me or mess up our plan," the older boy told detectives.

That's purely farked up. Why stab and not just shoot?

The older boy said he had been friends with the girl for several months "but that he hated her now." He said the girl "had recently become rude and would pick on him."

Ah, it's personal.
 
2013-02-18 12:16:04 AM  

BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.


Rural Washington is not right.  It's a state that had to pass a law against having sex with animals because of Mr. Hands.
 
2013-02-18 12:31:39 AM  
"To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. [...]"

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2013-02-18 12:52:19 AM  
How many of these school killers were first bully targets? Like what percentage?

Just curious.
 
2013-02-18 01:11:22 AM  
I blame the knife.
 
2013-02-18 01:40:17 AM  
The assault weapons ban would have prevented this.
 
2013-02-18 01:41:14 AM  
"This was a plan. And it was a plan to kill,"

blurbrain.com
 
2013-02-18 01:42:37 AM  

vygramul: The assault weapons ban would have prevented this.


Nope, but a gun lock and a responsible gun owner might have.

Would love to be a fly on the wall when they haul in whoever's gun this was and ask how this 10 yo stole his gun.
 
2013-02-18 01:46:43 AM  

quatchi: Nope


That was his point.

But nobody has ever pretended that an AWB bill would solve everything.  And it's pretty clear at this point that we can't simply tell gun owners to be more responsible and think we've solved all the rest of the problems.
 
2013-02-18 02:16:14 AM  
Whatever happened to ostracizing, humiliating and making fun of the unpopular?

/back in my day...
 
2013-02-18 02:39:52 AM  
GAT_00: quatchi: Nope

That was his point.

But nobody has ever pretended that an AWB bill would solve everything.  And it's pretty clear at this point that we can't simply tell gun owners to be more responsible and think we've solved all the rest of the problems.


In point of fact I don't give a flying fart about the AWB. I've hoped since the beginning that this was just a chip on the table that will be taken off the table at some point and traded for of more money for mental health care (Which the NRA itself now endorses ,you'll note) and closing the gun sale loophole. The brick and mortar gun guys want to see the loophole closed as it forces more people into their big box ergo the GOP gets to say they stopped the AWB, more crazy folks get help, the loophole gets closed clearing up a grey area that's been rife for abuse and maybe dampening the more gung-ho nutty portions of the gun culture and hte cops get a better database to do their jobs. Some common sense registration stuff would be a cherry on the top there but regardless in that scenario everybody gets to say they've won and things get not perfect but better. This is what I hope.

/It should probably be noted that I'm also hoping for a hot steamy night-long romp with Scar Jo and Rachel Weiss later on this evening but that probably isn't gonna happen.
//I hope for a lot of things.
///Right now I'm hoping there's still a piece of cherry pie inna fridge. Mmmm ...Pie.
 
2013-02-18 02:46:55 AM  
I think I would love to see a ten year old try to shoot a .45
 
2013-02-18 02:48:46 AM  

DarkLancelot: BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.

Glad I wasn't the only one that noticed that.  "They do kid's stuff.  Set the cat on fire.  Rain thermonuclear death over our neighbors.  You know, kid's stuff."


Hell, I was wondering what kind of kid shot BB guns at people's cars, myself...
 
2013-02-18 02:49:13 AM  
I'm going to math class, COVER ME!
 
2013-02-18 02:49:28 AM  

BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.


Cats are not worshipped as much in Hillbilly Holler Washington as they are on FARK. Its a regional thing.
 
2013-02-18 02:50:55 AM  
The firearm doesn't create the disregard for human life.
People are broken...address that first before more firearm legislation.
 
2013-02-18 02:51:22 AM  
School authorities said two fifth-grade boys planned to use the weapons to lure another student outside the school and kill her "because she was really annoying."
We are experiencing the end of the US.

Charge the kids and the parents. Charge the school as co-conspirators. Clearly the school allowed the weapons into the school. They must have been part of the plan. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Seriously.

How does this not continue to escalate?
OR is this just national awareness of "minor" events?
How many events like this have there been, by year, for the last 50 years?
How many events like this are never reported and dealt with locally without getting national full blown media nutty?
Over the last 50 years, we can assume that the reporting has changed, right?
 
2013-02-18 02:51:24 AM  
We've all made lists like this. I keep mine off paper, scratch it into my leg.
 
2013-02-18 02:51:27 AM  

quatchi: mental health care (Which the NRA itself now endorses ,you'll note)


...no, they don't.  They just say they do to take the heat off.  But as long as they keep national health organizations and HMOs on their "enemies of the 2nd amendment" watchlist for deigning to have the opinion that perhaps fewer guns would save us millions in healthcare costs, don't believe it for a second.
 
2013-02-18 02:54:32 AM  
WTF Collville, are you trying to make Spokane look good?
 
2013-02-18 02:55:47 AM  
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"The plan was nipped in the bud by other students who saw something and said something," Cashion said.
 
2013-02-18 02:57:20 AM  

namatad: School authorities said two fifth-grade boys planned to use the weapons to lure another student outside the school and kill her "because she was really annoying."
We are experiencing the end of the US.

Charge the kids and the parents. Charge the school as co-conspirators. Clearly the school allowed the weapons into the school. They must have been part of the plan. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Seriously.

How does this not continue to escalate?
OR is this just national awareness of "minor" events?
How many events like this have there been, by year, for the last 50 years?
How many events like this are never reported and dealt with locally without getting national full blown media nutty?
Over the last 50 years, we can assume that the reporting has changed, right?


You forgot to say LOLOLOLOLOL.

Oh wait you got that covered.
 
2013-02-18 02:58:01 AM  

quatchi: "I was going to kill her with the knife and [the other boy] was supposed to use the gun to keep anyone from trying to stop me or mess up our plan," the older boy told detectives.

That's purely farked up. Why stab and not just shoot?

The older boy said he had been friends with the girl for several months "but that he hated her now." He said the girl "had recently become rude and would pick on him."

Ah, it's personal.


Girl troubles
 
2013-02-18 02:59:02 AM  

IlGreven: quatchi: mental health care (Which the NRA itself now endorses ,you'll note)

...no, they don't.  They just say they do to take the heat off.  But as long as they keep national health organizations and HMOs on their "enemies of the 2nd amendment" watchlist for deigning to have the opinion that perhaps fewer guns would save us millions in healthcare costs, don't believe it for a second.


The NRA used their ridiculous amount of power over Congress to prevent for years any studies being done linking mental health and gun violence. I'm aware of that. The enmity there goes back a ways. Just the fact that their shills had to come out and say it's part of the problem is a win at this point in the debate regardless of their actual position on the issue they have ostensibly come out for it.

The left can use that.

But yeah, your point that they are lying sacks of shiat when they say that stands.

I should have clarified.
 
2013-02-18 03:03:45 AM  
To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill.

Put me in the "WTF??" Brigade on this.  This guy was that kid who didn't know the difference between chucking a stone at a cat and setting it on fire.  I bet he looked up dolls' dresses.
 
2013-02-18 03:06:28 AM  
1) take the children from the parents - FOREVER
2) toss the parents in prison - FOREVER (also sterilize them, just in case)
3) the kids should probably be sterilized just to be safe
4) the kids should be moved to another part of the country or planet and never have contact with anyone who was in their life previously

seriously
when do we actually start doing things differently?
or do are we just willingly accepting a certain amount of shrinkage in the system?
 
2013-02-18 03:07:23 AM  
I'm starting to understand why nobody publicizes suicides because of the risk that others will do the same.
 
2013-02-18 03:09:10 AM  
Children who set cats on fire should be executed.

/Not kidding.
 
2013-02-18 03:11:31 AM  
When questioned separately shortly after the weapons were discovered, the boys admittedtheir plot, authorities said. "I was going to kill her with the knife and [the other boy] was supposed to use the gun to keep anyone from trying to stop me or mess up our plan," the older boy told detectives.

WHAT THE fark PARENTS?!!!
1) you NEVER EVER talk to the cops
2) did the "detectives" talk to the kids without the parents present? No parents = all charges will be dropped.
3) parents let the kids talk? ARE YOU INSANE??

ok, I stand by earlier posting.
remove the kids, life prison for the parents
 
2013-02-18 03:11:39 AM  
Children and family of gun owners and NRA supporters deserve be executed on pay-per-view with all the profits going to the relatives of the people being senselessly killed by guns in this country.

I'd watch the hell out of it and laugh myself to sleep every night knowing that those homicidal nut jobs are suffering like their victims.

*sigh*, a person can dream :)
 
2013-02-18 03:13:02 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: I think I would love to see a ten year old try to shoot a .45


Yeah, my thought as well.  And Remington 1911?  Thought that was just Colt.

While nothing came of this incident, it still may be a good idea to put these two in a comfortable cage for the rest of their lives.

If we dont, and they finally go ahead and cause actual damage when they're 20 year old tweakers, people will ask why these two nut-bags werent coralled earlier.
 
2013-02-18 03:14:06 AM  

L.D. Ablo: Whatever happened to ostracizing, humiliating and making fun of the unpopular?

/back in my day...


Everyone victimized by people like you went crazy and bought guns.
 
2013-02-18 03:14:44 AM  
America is broken.
 
2013-02-18 03:15:52 AM  

super_grass: Children and family of gun owners and NRA supporters deserve be executed on pay-per-view with all the profits going to the relatives of the people being senselessly killed by guns in this country.

I'd watch the hell out of it and laugh myself to sleep every night knowing that those homicidal nut jobs are suffering like their victims.

*sigh*, a person can dream :)



You need new material.
 
2013-02-18 03:17:57 AM  

TomD9938: super_grass: Children and family of gun owners and NRA supporters deserve be executed on pay-per-view with all the profits going to the relatives of the people being senselessly killed by guns in this country.

I'd watch the hell out of it and laugh myself to sleep every night knowing that those homicidal nut jobs are suffering like their victims.

*sigh*, a person can dream :)


You need new material.


You need better ways to compensate for you lack of manhood.
 
2013-02-18 03:18:23 AM  

TomD9938: Uchiha_Cycliste: I think I would love to see a ten year old try to shoot a .45

Yeah, my thought as well.  And Remington 1911?  Thought that was just Colt.

While nothing came of this incident, it still may be a good idea to put these two in a comfortable cage for the rest of their lives.

If we dont, and they finally go ahead and cause actual damage when they're 20 year old tweakers, people will ask why these two nut-bags werent coralled earlier.


Maybe, maybe not, What if they are just little shiats because of bad parents and we can get them better guardians? Otherwise you my be right.

\I imagine a little kid shooting a .45 to be a slap-sticky good time.
 
2013-02-18 03:18:39 AM  

L.D. Ablo: Whatever happened to ostracizing, humiliating and making fun of the unpopular?

/back in my day...


Still happens. The difference is that kids can't fight back, or rather they are not allowed to push back to a reasonable degree. (Busted lip for example.) So it just builds, and builds, and builds....

Can't learn the boundaries of what is acceptable when you aren't allowed near them.
 
2013-02-18 03:18:42 AM  
America, you crazy.
 
2013-02-18 03:19:05 AM  

Smoking GNU: America is broken.


Have you tried turning it off and on again?
 
2013-02-18 03:20:01 AM  
The real story here is that our educational system is NOT failing. 10-year-olds organized enough to make lists? C'mon, it's gotta make yo u proud.
 
2013-02-18 03:21:34 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I'm starting to understand why nobody publicizes suicides because of the risk that others will do the same.


sort of
but it also means that we dont do anything to change the system.

suicide - reporting on suicides without doing anything to deal with the underlying issues behind suicides ... well
at least if we start reporting them, there might be hope that we would deal with the health issue

mass shootings - is there any evidence that reporting leads to an increase? there will always be copycats and attention whores. my guess is that they dont really need the news to get ideas for their mass shooting or suicide missions. tv shows and movies should be enough ...

same for rape and murder and abuse and gay and the list goes on
without reporting on problems, problems never get fixed

perfect example is police corruption. how many police shootings happen each year which are never investigated properly. Of all the shootings, what percentage lead to an officer being charged AND convicted? What percentage SHOULD be charged? probably much higher that what happens ...
 
2013-02-18 03:22:33 AM  
But that's actually NOT as concrete as it sounds.  Kids like to fantasize about lots of stuff, including violence.  Certainly actually having a gun is a bad sign, but it's not conclusive that they were really going to do it.
 
2013-02-18 03:22:48 AM  

Dinki: BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.

You can pretty much bet that any kid that sets cats on fire is going to end up killing people later in life.


Yeah, this. Torturing animals is not a normal activity.
 
2013-02-18 03:23:51 AM  

super_grass: Children and family of gun owners and NRA supporters deserve be executed on pay-per-view with all the profits going to the relatives of the people being senselessly killed by guns in this country.

I'd watch the hell out of it and laugh myself to sleep every night knowing that those homicidal nut jobs are suffering like their victims.

*sigh*, a person can dream :)


I have always argued that the death penalty should happen at noon on the stairs in front of city hall, broadcast live and free for everyone to see.
You want it to be a deterrent, people should actually see it.

/but but but
 
2013-02-18 03:24:41 AM  

super_grass: Children and family of gun owners and NRA supporters deserve be executed on pay-per-view with all the profits going to the relatives of the people being senselessly killed by guns in this country.

I'd watch the hell out of it and laugh myself to sleep every night knowing that those homicidal nut jobs are suffering like their victims.

*sigh*, a person can dream :)


Well that's a perfectly reasonable position. Best of luck to you on making it a reality.
 
2013-02-18 03:24:53 AM  

GranoblasticMan: Smoking GNU: America is broken.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?


Power consumption is horrible and all the drivers are bad.
 
2013-02-18 03:26:05 AM  

Oznog: But that's actually NOT as concrete as it sounds.  Kids like to fantasize about lots of stuff, including violence.  Certainly actually having a gun is a bad sign, but it's not conclusive that they were really going to do it.


certainly there should be the death penalty for the owner of the gun. period.
sorry but if you late-term abortion brings your gun to school, you die. period.
it would at least make guns owners a tiny bit more serious about gun safety and maybe keeping guns out of the hands of 10 year olds ...

/of course, this will lead to children setting up their parents in order to get their parents killed
 
2013-02-18 03:26:18 AM  
Maybe she shouldn't have been so annoying.
 
2013-02-18 03:26:40 AM  

GranoblasticMan: Smoking GNU: America is broken.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?


oh
that is awesome
 
2013-02-18 03:27:28 AM  
The only thing that can stop a bad kid with a gun is a good kid with a gun

/I'm not too late, am I?
 
2013-02-18 03:27:57 AM  

GranoblasticMan: Smoking GNU: America is broken.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?


Didn't russia try that in the 70s?
 
2013-02-18 03:28:35 AM  

super_grass: Children and family of gun owners and NRA supporters deserve be executed on pay-per-view with all the profits going to the relatives of the people being senselessly killed by guns in this country.

I'd watch the hell out of it and laugh myself to sleep every night knowing that those homicidal nut jobs are suffering like their victims.

*sigh*, a person can dream :)


Hah! Why don't you just senselessly kill them yourself and cut out the middle man?

I'm betting that you are too lazy. Or a coward. A smarter person would have come up with something better.

0/10
 
2013-02-18 03:29:10 AM  

super_grass: You need better ways to compensate for you lack of manhood.


*outraged return volley!*

Uchiha_Cycliste: What if they are just little shiats because of bad parents and we can get them better guardians?


If they're found to be not genuinely deranged, absolutely.

GranoblasticMan: Smoking GNU: America is broken.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?



Funny-Clicky
 
2013-02-18 03:29:33 AM  
I don't know where this 1911 came from, but people need to secure their f*cking guns, goddammit.

And it's a magazine, not a clip, LA Times.
 
2013-02-18 03:31:32 AM  

violentsalvation: I don't know where this 1911 came from, but people need to secure their f*cking guns, goddammit.

And it's a magazine, not a clip, LA Times.


The LA Times is actually a newspaper
 
2013-02-18 03:35:51 AM  

BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.


That's what I'm wondering. As kids, we did pretty much everything on that list except set cats or dogs on fire. I think our favorite pastimes, growing up, were throwing snowballs at cars and dirt clods at each other.
 
2013-02-18 03:36:19 AM  

super_grass: Children and family of gun owners and NRA supporters deserve be executed on pay-per-view with all the profits going to the relatives of the people being senselessly killed by guns in this country.

I'd watch the hell out of it and laugh myself to sleep every night knowing that those homicidal nut jobs are suffering like their victims.

*sigh*, a person can dream :)


Don't you just like...wanna.. I dunno...shoot us?

super_grass: You need better ways to compensate for you lack of manhood.


Nice projection, you're afraid of inanimate objects, but it's our manhood in question. OK.
 
2013-02-18 03:38:23 AM  
Kids these days.  When I was that age, if a girl was mean, you thew mud at her.  Same if you liked her.  Mud was the go-to at 10.
 
2013-02-18 03:43:28 AM  

violentsalvation: I don't know where this 1911 came from, but people need to secure their f*cking guns, goddammit.


what is the proper punishment for the owner of this gun?
or if the kid bought it, the seller of the gun?

and if the punishment doesnt include 10-50 years in prison or death, how would we actually get people to secure their guns??
currently some people failing completely
 
2013-02-18 03:43:48 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: violentsalvation: I don't know where this 1911 came from, but people need to secure their f*cking guns, goddammit.

And it's a magazine, not a clip, LA Times.

The LA Times is actually a newspaper


Aaaah yeah, one of those newsprint things I unfold all over the desk to disassemble and clean my guns on. My dog reads them on the potty while she's in the middle of an indoor accident. Pretty useful stuff.
 
2013-02-18 03:44:37 AM  

jtown: Kids these days.  When I was that age, if a girl was mean, you thew mud at her.  Same if you liked her.  Mud was the go-to at 10.


Where was all this mud coming from??
 
2013-02-18 03:47:27 AM  

BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.


Someone really needs to put a tail on this guy. I think there's a 10% chance he's got bodies buried under his chrysanthemums; a 33% chance he's molesting livestock. Something's wrong with him or possibl y his own kids.
 
2013-02-18 03:47:40 AM  
An armed teacher could have put those two little farkers down nice and quick. Clearly we need at the very least armed patrols in our elementary schools.
 
2013-02-18 03:48:59 AM  

GranoblasticMan: Smoking GNU: America is broken.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?


Sandy Hook, Sandy Bridge, same same
 
2013-02-18 03:53:50 AM  
This is a direct result of the media coverage that floods all news channels after an unfortunate tragedy occurs.
 
2013-02-18 03:57:17 AM  
I realize that all children are unique and precious snowflakes who are already perfect in every way and just need space and nurturing to find themselves, but I can't help but think that maybe beating these little dickweeds until they sh*t their pants and bleed and vomit and need stitches might help them along.  Just planting seeds.
 
2013-02-18 03:57:47 AM  

namatad: violentsalvation: I don't know where this 1911 came from, but people need to secure their f*cking guns, goddammit.

what is the proper punishment for the owner of this gun?
or if the kid bought it, the seller of the gun?

and if the punishment doesnt include 10-50 years in prison or death, how would we actually get people to secure their guns??
currently some people failing completely


I don't know the answer to this question. I don't know where the kid got the gun, so it's hard to apply a solution to this scenario.

I've mentioned the idea of tax credits for approved and properly installed guns safes. I don't know if that is a good idea or not, but it never seemed to elicit much of a discussion. Regardless it all boils down to common sense and responsible gun ownership, and lately we aren't seeing enough of either. And that human stupidity will always be the weakness in any decent idea.
 
2013-02-18 03:58:47 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: violentsalvation: I don't know where this 1911 came from, but people need to secure their f*cking guns, goddammit.

And it's a magazine, not a clip, LA Times.

The LA Times is actually a newspaper


That was pretty good
 
2013-02-18 04:00:57 AM  

Xexi: This is a direct result of the media coverage that floods all news channels after an unfortunate tragedy occurs.


More likely a direct result of shiatty parenting. Also piss-poor government regulation.
 
2013-02-18 04:27:18 AM  

Giltric: The firearm doesn't create the disregard for human life.
People are broken...address that first before more firearm legislation.


Bingo! and it starts right at the top, with our blood thirsty WashDC Daddy Warbucks Military reigning hell all over the place non-stop since before most of us were born. it's glorified in movies, it's daily propaganda, it's a damn shame. human life has no value to our fearless clown shoe wearing leaders. it starts at the top and trickles down. it's nice to live in the USA; i'm thankful i'm not in one of the many countries where death and destruction has been our calling card, or drones buzz overhead looking to take out another target. rich powerful american families make big bucks off human suffering. sick sad world.
 
2013-02-18 04:27:22 AM  

Iplaybass: Xexi: This is a direct result of the media coverage that floods all news channels after an unfortunate tragedy occurs.

More likely a direct result of shiatty parenting. Also piss-poor government regulation.


psychologists feel otherwise
 
2013-02-18 04:30:07 AM  
People, lock up your gotdam guns. 

....that is all......
 
2013-02-18 04:36:21 AM  
And so begins the copy-cats. With all the attention people get from school shootings, we should see a lot more of these.
 
2013-02-18 04:53:39 AM  

jtown: Kids these days.  When I was that age, if a girl was mean, you thew mud at her.  Same if you liked her.  Mud was the go-to at 10.


Are kids still alowed to throw mud at kids who are mean to them?

Are they allowed to do anything to kids who are mean to them?  Other than telling the teacher, I mean.

How does a ten year old timebomb respect his anger any more?
 
2013-02-18 04:57:11 AM  

GranoblasticMan: Smoking GNU: America is broken.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?


No, but Chris Dorner did.
 
2013-02-18 05:01:31 AM  

BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.


Came in here to point this out.  Setting a cat on fire is just a thing children do?
 
2013-02-18 05:06:39 AM  

namatad: 1) take the children from the parents - FOREVER
2) toss the parents in prison - FOREVER (also sterilize them, just in case)
3) the kids should probably be sterilized just to be safe
4) the kids should be moved to another part of the country or planet and never have contact with anyone who was in their life previously

seriously
when do we actually start doing things differently?
or do are we just willingly accepting a certain amount of shrinkage in the system?


Well, the system IS cold.
 
2013-02-18 05:12:19 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: TomD9938: Uchiha_Cycliste: I think I would love to see a ten year old try to shoot a .45

Yeah, my thought as well.  And Remington 1911?  Thought that was just Colt.

While nothing came of this incident, it still may be a good idea to put these two in a comfortable cage for the rest of their lives.

If we dont, and they finally go ahead and cause actual damage when they're 20 year old tweakers, people will ask why these two nut-bags werent coralled earlier.

Maybe, maybe not, What if they are just little shiats because of bad parents and we can get them better guardians? Otherwise you my be right.


Probably too late, since they were already about to act on it, the sociopaths.
 
2013-02-18 05:13:01 AM  
A friend grew  up in the projects in Cleveland and they used to go have cap gun fights at the greyhound bus station to scare the folks that happened to be waiting for connecting buses.  One time an officer with a dog managed to get there faster than they were expecting and as they were running away, the dog got away from its keeper and followed the kids into the projects where the cops wouldn't go without lots of reinforcement.  Apparently the dog found a kid that usually sat quietly mumbling to himself and the kid set the dog on fire.
 
2013-02-18 05:19:52 AM  

phalaeo: BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.

Came in here to point this out.  Setting a cat on fire is just a thing children do?


Some, yes.  Kids to an insurmountable amount of stupid shiat because they don't have a sense of what will happen, and a complete lack of a sense of repercussion, backed by insatiable curiosity.  Same with toys up the nose or a million other retarded things.

Can't even say it's particularly psychotic unless it's an older child.  The indicator for that is how they feel afterward.
 
2013-02-18 05:28:33 AM  

super_grass: Children and family of gun owners and NRA supporters deserve be executed on pay-per-view with all the profits going to the relatives of the people being senselessly killed by guns in this country.

I'd watch the hell out of it and laugh myself to sleep every night knowing that those homicidal nut jobs are suffering like their victims.

*sigh*, a person can dream :)


And they say only right-wingers are bigots.
 
2013-02-18 05:32:19 AM  

IlGreven: quatchi: mental health care (Which the NRA itself now endorses ,you'll note)

...no, they don't.  They just say they do to take the heat off.  But as long as they keep national health organizations and HMOs on their "enemies of the 2nd amendment" watchlist for deigning to have the opinion that perhaps fewer guns would save us millions in healthcare costs, don't believe it for a second.


And exactly what makes you say that??  Why would you honestly believe they are against mental health care???
 
2013-02-18 05:36:10 AM  

violentsalvation: I don't know the answer to this question. I don't know where the kid got the gun, so it's hard to apply a solution to this scenario.


nope
the question is NOT given the facts, what should happen.
the question is GIVEN the plausible scenarios, what should happen.

case 1) the gun was left in a public bathroom by the gun's owner. this happens often it seems, at least in fark headlines. What should happen to the gun owner? (my thought is 10-20 hard time)

case 2) the gun is owned by one of the parents of the two children. What should happen to the parent? (my thought is 10-20 hard time)

case 3) someone sold the gun to the child. What should happen to the seller? (my thought is death my hanging ...)

/we know that we dont know HOW the kid got the gun. we CAN talk about these 3 scenarios.
/what will happen? probably NOTHING.
/Most likely scenario is parent's gun. kid "stole" it. Gun was not in a safe. Wasnt locked in a drawer or kid got access to key. Didnt have a trigger lock or kid got access to the key.
/Once again, the question is NOT, how did the kid get the gun. IT is what SHOULD we do to reduce the number of these events. Given the 3 scenarios, WHAT should be done?
 
2013-02-18 05:42:37 AM  
Farkage: IlGreven: quatchi: mental health care (Which the NRA itself now endorses ,you'll note)

...no, they don't.  They just say they do to take the heat off.  But as long as they keep national health organizations and HMOs on their "enemies of the 2nd amendment" watchlist for deigning to have the opinion that perhaps fewer guns would save us millions in healthcare costs, don't believe it for a second.


And exactly what makes you say that??  Why would you honestly believe they are against mental health care???

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/the-blockade-on-scie nc e-on-gun-violence/

It's not that scientists are uninterested in gun research or don't know how to study guns' connection to violence.  It's rather that the N.R.A. has blocked most efforts at serious gun research, going so far as to restrict access to the highly informative data available from Justice Department traces of guns used in crimes.  As The Times reported, "Scientists in the field and former officials with the government agency that used to finance the great bulk of this research say the influence of the National Rife Association has all but choked off money for such work."

As a result, things still stand pretty much as they were in 2004.  There is no scientific consensus on the best approach to limiting gun violence, and the N.R.A. is blocking work that might well lead to such a consensus.


This.
 
2013-02-18 05:48:22 AM  

violentsalvation: I don't know where this 1911 came from, but people need to secure their f*cking guns, goddammit.

And it's a magazine, not a clip, LA Times.


Ah, see while i would normally agree with you on the whole clip/magazine terminology usage, i discovered recently WHY the media uses the term clip MOST of the time... If you pay close attention you will hear them use the term magazine from time to time, and this used to make me think that there were some smarter journalists out there... then i saw the same journalist use the wrong term during another segment at a later date... This caught my attention, and i started looking into it...

The answer:  The media uses the term "Magazine" and "Magazine fed" when they are talking about "assault weapons", aka, Scary Looking Guns, and use the term "Clip" when the gun in question isn't on the Scary Looking Guns list... Listen for them to say "A magazine fed assault rifle" when something like an AR or AK is used in next tragic event...
 
2013-02-18 05:53:05 AM  

quatchi: Farkage: IlGreven: quatchi: mental health care (Which the NRA itself now endorses ,you'll note)

...no, they don't.  They just say they do to take the heat off.  But as long as they keep national health organizations and HMOs on their "enemies of the 2nd amendment" watchlist for deigning to have the opinion that perhaps fewer guns would save us millions in healthcare costs, don't believe it for a second.

And exactly what makes you say that??  Why would you honestly believe they are against mental health care???

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/the-blockade-on-scie nc e-on-gun-violence/

It's not that scientists are uninterested in gun research or don't know how to study guns' connection to violence.  It's rather that the N.R.A. has blocked most efforts at serious gun research, going so far as to restrict access to the highly informative data available from Justice Department traces of guns used in crimes.  As The Times reported, "Scientists in the field and former officials with the government agency that used to finance the great bulk of this research say the influence of the National Rife Association has all but choked off money for such work."

As a result, things still stand pretty much as they were in 2004.  There is no scientific consensus on the best approach to limiting gun violence, and the N.R.A. is blocking work that might well lead to such a consensus.

This.


You quoted an opinion blog as "facts"??  That was a liberal-biased opinion about "gun research".  How about if you try reading this and give another shot at answering my question, mkay?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-2923101.html
 
2013-02-18 06:00:38 AM  
Farkage: quatchi: Farkage: IlGreven: quatchi: mental health care (Which the NRA itself now endorses ,you'll note)

...no, they don't.  They just say they do to take the heat off.  But as long as they keep national health organizations and HMOs on their "enemies of the 2nd amendment" watchlist for deigning to have the opinion that perhaps fewer guns would save us millions in healthcare costs, don't believe it for a second.

And exactly what makes you say that??  Why would you honestly believe they are against mental health care???

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/the-blockade-on-scie nc e-on-gun-violence/

It's not that scientists are uninterested in gun research or don't know how to study guns' connection to violence.  It's rather that the N.R.A. has blocked most efforts at serious gun research, going so far as to restrict access to the highly informative data available from Justice Department traces of guns used in crimes.  As The Times reported, "Scientists in the field and former officials with the government agency that used to finance the great bulk of this research say the influence of the National Rife Association has all but choked off money for such work."

As a result, things still stand pretty much as they were in 2004.  There is no scientific consensus on the best approach to limiting gun violence, and the N.R.A. is blocking work that might well lead to such a consensus.

This.


You quoted an opinion blog as "facts"??  That was a liberal-biased opinion about "gun research".  How about if you try reading this and give another shot at answering my question, mkay?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-2923101.html

A link from 2009?

Sure let's see what ya got...

From your link...

The NRA did win concessions.

The bill would automatically restore the purchasing rights of veterans who were diagnosed with mental problems as part of the process of obtaining disability benefits. LaPierre said the Clinton administration put about 80,000 such veterans into the background check system.


You're not very good at this, are you?
 
2013-02-18 06:03:26 AM  
As kids, we lived in the Valley. At night we could see the cat fires up on the Ridge. We knew enough not to go up there.
 
2013-02-18 06:07:38 AM  

CeroX: violentsalvation: I don't know where this 1911 came from, but people need to secure their f*cking guns, goddammit.

And it's a magazine, not a clip, LA Times.

Ah, see while i would normally agree with you on the whole clip/magazine terminology usage, i discovered recently WHY the media uses the term clip MOST of the time... If you pay close attention you will hear them use the term magazine from time to time, and this used to make me think that there were some smarter journalists out there... then i saw the same journalist use the wrong term during another segment at a later date... This caught my attention, and i started looking into it...

The answer:  The media uses the term "Magazine" and "Magazine fed" when they are talking about "assault weapons", aka, Scary Looking Guns, and use the term "Clip" when the gun in question isn't on the Scary Looking Guns list... Listen for them to say "A magazine fed assault rifle" when something like an AR or AK is used in next tragic event...




Plausible.
I've just attributed it to reporters who really don't know better.
What they know about guns and gun culture comes from video games, movies, and other reporters. Theses sources commonly use phrases like "toss me a clip" and call anything in 223 a "high powered assault rifle" (which is an oxymoron in itself).

Reporters think loading on the details gives the story more punch. But since their sources are wrong or misleading, their descriptions and narratives are also wrong.

When equally clueless lawmakers write things based on those reports, the results are comical.

/like how people feared Dorner was running house to house with a Barret.
/A ten thousand dollar twenty pound gun that somehow makes the ban list every damn time despite having killed fewer people than Laura Bush.
 
2013-02-18 06:11:24 AM  

violentsalvation: I don't know where this 1911 came from, but people need to secure their f*cking guns, goddammit.

And it's a magazine, not a clip, LA Times.


OH MY GOD WHO THE HELL CARES ???
 
2013-02-18 06:14:19 AM  

way south: video games, movies, and other reporters.


Welcome to the mutation of language
Repeat a miss-use of word enough, and the definition of the word changes or gets an additional meaning.
Annoying english grammar teachers everywhere can go on and on about the destruction of language, but in the end, living languages change over time, including the definition of words.

I would be willing to bet that if you did a survey of the population, that the majority of people would use clip to mean a hand gun magazine and limit magazine to something only for a rifle. Or use the completely interchangeably. Or not even know that magazine is an option.

Certainly inner city gun owners would probably only use clip.
 
2013-02-18 06:15:08 AM  

padraig: violentsalvation: I don't know where this 1911 came from, but people need to secure their f*cking guns, goddammit.

And it's a magazine, not a clip, LA Times.

OH MY GOD WHO THE HELL CARES ???


school teachers and pedants
/Apedant is a person who is excessively concerned with formalism and precision, or who makes a show of his or her learning.
/aka an annoying fark
 
2013-02-18 06:19:55 AM  

Giltric: The firearm doesn't create the disregard for human life.
People are broken...address that first before more firearm legislation.


Broken people are a lot less dangerous without guns in their hands.
 
2013-02-18 06:21:52 AM  

way south: I've just attributed it to reporters who really don't know better.


The reporters themselves probably don't, but i've seen reporters use both terms... which makes me think that when one of the Big Scary Guns is used in a crime, they HAVE to use certain buzzword terms, "High Powered Assault Rifle, Magazine Fed Assault Rifle, High Capacity Magazines, Automatic Assault Weapon"

Notice they NEVER say "High Capacity Clip"? They always use the term magazine when talking about guns that have been historically banned in the past.

Once you get the automatic reaction to flip out over the incorrect usage of the terms, you start to realize that they actually do use correct terminology, but only in context... a context that appears to be trying to associate the term "magazine" with the term "assault weapon". Otherwise they use the term clip...
 
2013-02-18 06:35:38 AM  

quatchi: Farkage: quatchi: Farkage: IlGreven: quatchi: mental health care (Which the NRA itself now endorses ,you'll note)

...no, they don't.  They just say they do to take the heat off.  But as long as they keep national health organizations and HMOs on their "enemies of the 2nd amendment" watchlist for deigning to have the opinion that perhaps fewer guns would save us millions in healthcare costs, don't believe it for a second.

And exactly what makes you say that??  Why would you honestly believe they are against mental health care???

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/the-blockade-on-scie nc e-on-gun-violence/

It's not that scientists are uninterested in gun research or don't know how to study guns' connection to violence.  It's rather that the N.R.A. has blocked most efforts at serious gun research, going so far as to restrict access to the highly informative data available from Justice Department traces of guns used in crimes.  As The Times reported, "Scientists in the field and former officials with the government agency that used to finance the great bulk of this research say the influence of the National Rife Association has all but choked off money for such work."

As a result, things still stand pretty much as they were in 2004.  There is no scientific consensus on the best approach to limiting gun violence, and the N.R.A. is blocking work that might well lead to such a consensus.

This.

You quoted an opinion blog as "facts"??  That was a liberal-biased opinion about "gun research".  How about if you try reading this and give another shot at answering my question, mkay?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-2923101.html

A link from 2009?

Sure let's see what ya got...

From your link...

The NRA did win concessions.

The bill would automatically restore the purchasing rights of veterans who were diagnosed with mental problems as part of the process of obtaining disability benefits. LaPierre said the Clinton administration put about 80,000 such v ...


You don't see a difference between the statement of "The NRA is against mental health care" and having someone's rights restored?  Really?  And as I said, the initially quoted article had nothing to do with mental health, did it?  But that is your "Evidence"?  Goalpost moving or just comprehension fail?
 
2013-02-18 06:35:41 AM  
The Boobiess ended this thread.

Win, Win, Win, Win
 
2013-02-18 06:38:32 AM  

quatchi: A link from 2009?


And yep!  A link from 2009!  It's knows an "demonstrating the history of the topic" as opposed to implying that someone just now started saying they support topic XYZ.  Nice try on your end though...
 
2013-02-18 06:46:27 AM  

PacManDreaming: BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.

That's what I'm wondering. As kids, we did pretty much everything on that list except set cats or dogs on fire. I think our favorite pastimes, growing up, were throwing snowballs at cars and dirt clods at each other.


We had a boy in our neighborhood who set a cat on fire. All the kids knew not to be anywhere alone with him. IIRC he looked like an angel.
 
2013-02-18 06:49:38 AM  

padraig: violentsalvation: I don't know where this 1911 came from, but people need to secure their f*cking guns, goddammit.

And it's a magazine, not a clip, LA Times.

OH MY GOD WHO THE HELL CARES ???


I wanted to hit the SMART button twice. If you know what they're talking about, you've been communicated with. Move on to the real issues. Keerist.
 
2013-02-18 07:02:03 AM  
Not one mention of the parents. Because all parents are just doing their best.
 
2013-02-18 07:14:46 AM  

unlikely: How many of these school killers were first bully targets? Like what percentage?

Just curious.


That'd be my guess.  Never underestimate how horrible the "annoying" girl is...

/if it's anything like my life, this little girl will grow up to work for a lawmaker in DC and the boys will grow up to sit in a Panera bread with their laptops browsing Fark.
 
2013-02-18 07:15:13 AM  
Guns keep your kids safe.
 
2013-02-18 07:43:41 AM  

quatchi: "I was going to kill her with the knife and [the other boy] was supposed to use the gun to keep anyone from trying to stop me or mess up our plan," the older boy told detectives.

That's purely farked up. Why stab and not just shoot?

The older boy said he had been friends with the girl for several months "but that he hated her now." He said the girl "had recently become rude and would pick on him."

Ah, it's personal.


Oh man. What's sick is she's probably picking on him b/c she likes him.

/that's what I used to do when I was that age.
 
2013-02-18 07:44:36 AM  

super_grass: Children and family of gun owners and NRA supporters deserve be executed on pay-per-view with all the profits going to the relatives of the people being senselessly killed by guns in this country.

I'd watch the hell out of it and laugh myself to sleep every night knowing that those homicidal nut jobs are suffering like their victims.

*sigh*, a person can dream :)


speaking of "homicidal nut jobs"...  I don't think it means what you think it means.
 
2013-02-18 07:44:36 AM  
Hmm...I have an 11 yr old.
Normal 11 yr olds do NOT set cats on fire. They do NOT shoot BBs at cars. They most certainly do NOT take weapons to school. I can't see where my 11 yr old would ever even come up with that idea.

My kids have all had bullies. They never took a weapon to school. My current 11 yr old spent the summer writing a book of comebacks.

/Luckily, his bully was expelled from the school.
 
2013-02-18 07:47:42 AM  

James F. Campbell: Children who set cats on fire should be executed.

/Not kidding.


Reminds me of Ender's brother... what was his name....?  Peter?
 
2013-02-18 07:49:48 AM  

namatad: violentsalvation: I don't know the answer to this question. I don't know where the kid got the gun, so it's hard to apply a solution to this scenario.

nope
the question is NOT given the facts, what should happen.
the question is GIVEN the plausible scenarios, what should happen.

case 1) the gun was left in a public bathroom by the gun's owner. this happens often it seems, at least in fark headlines. What should happen to the gun owner? (my thought is 10-20 hard time)

case 2) the gun is owned by one of the parents of the two children. What should happen to the parent? (my thought is 10-20 hard time)

case 3) someone sold the gun to the child. What should happen to the seller? (my thought is death my hanging ...)

/we know that we dont know HOW the kid got the gun. we CAN talk about these 3 scenarios.
/what will happen? probably NOTHING.
/Most likely scenario is parent's gun. kid "stole" it. Gun was not in a safe. Wasnt locked in a drawer or kid got access to key. Didnt have a trigger lock or kid got access to the key.
/Once again, the question is NOT, how did the kid get the gun. IT is what SHOULD we do to reduce the number of these events. Given the 3 scenarios, WHAT should be done?


don't forget the knife - the intended murder weapon. We need to secure them as well. screwdrivers and pencils are next.

/drink the vodak while you can!
 
2013-02-18 07:58:44 AM  

Cornelius Dribble: Broken people are a lot less dangerous without guns in their hands.


Based on the assumption they won't choose an equally dangerous method to achieve their goals.

According to this report the initial plan was for a stabbing with the gun as a backup. Debating about whether the lack of a gun, a knife, a club or a rock would have made the situation better is kind of silly when what you really want is for ten year olds to not be offing each other.

I mean, that's what we all want, isn't it?
 
2013-02-18 08:01:12 AM  

Giltric: The firearm doesn't create the disregard for human life.
People are broken...address that first before more firearm legislation.


Why not both at the same time?
 
2013-02-18 08:03:02 AM  

namatad: violentsalvation: I don't know where this 1911 came from, but people need to secure their f*cking guns, goddammit.

what is the proper punishment for the owner of this gun?
or if the kid bought it, the seller of the gun?

and if the punishment doesnt include 10-50 years in prison or death, how would we actually get people to secure their guns??
currently some people failing completely


The current so-called "justice system" focuses on revenge, not reformation. Support of the death penalty, wars, cops getting away with killing innocent people because it's generally considered a price to pay for getting "bad guys"...

This culture of revenge inevitably filters down to the kids. Deal with it.
 
2013-02-18 08:03:20 AM  

omeganuepsilon: phalaeo: BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.

Came in here to point this out.  Setting a cat on fire is just a thing children do?

Some, yes.  Kids to an insurmountable amount of stupid shiat because they don't have a sense of what will happen, and a complete lack of a sense of repercussion, backed by insatiable curiosity.  Same with toys up the nose or a million other retarded things.

Can't even say it's particularly psychotic unless it's an older child.  The indicator for that is how they feel afterward.


No, I'm going to disagree and say setting a cat on fire is a bad thing.  At 10/11, a kid has touched a stove and learned that fire hurts.  Applying that fire to another creature is not something that comes out of curosity.  I might believe setting ants on fire with a magnifying glass was "something kids do," but even then, where are you going to find a magnifying glass these days?
 
2013-02-18 08:07:44 AM  

Katolu: An armed teacher could have put those two little farkers down nice and quick. Clearly we need at the very least armed patrols in our elementary schools.


Um, an unarmed teacher did stop them.
 
2013-02-18 08:09:31 AM  

Zelron: Giltric: The firearm doesn't create the disregard for human life.
People are broken...address that first before more firearm legislation.

Why not both at the same time?


Because, if we fix the disregard for human life, then people can enjoy recreational shooting and such without using their guns to kill each other, and the firearm legislation will be needless.
 
2013-02-18 08:09:41 AM  

Zelron: Katolu: An armed teacher could have put those two little farkers down nice and quick. Clearly we need at the very least armed patrols in our elementary schools.

Um, an unarmed teacher did stop them.


....THIS time.... .

/insert vincent price laugh...
 
2013-02-18 08:14:58 AM  

way south: Cornelius Dribble: Broken people are a lot less dangerous without guns in their hands.

Based on the assumption they won't choose an equally dangerous method to achieve their goals.

According to this report the initial plan was for a stabbing with the gun as a backup. Debating about whether the lack of a gun, a knife, a club or a rock would have made the situation better is kind of silly when what you really want is for ten year olds to not be offing each other.

I mean, that's what we all want, isn't it?


Guns are much much more likely to be lethal than any other weapon, as homicide rates from around the world have shown us for years,.But if you've ignored the statistics up until now, there's no sense bringing them up yet again, I suppose.
 
2013-02-18 08:19:09 AM  

way south: Cornelius Dribble: Broken people are a lot less dangerous without guns in their hands.

Based on the assumption they won't choose an equally dangerous method to achieve their goals.

According to this report the initial plan was for a stabbing with the gun as a backup. Debating about whether the lack of a gun, a knife, a club or a rock would have made the situation better is kind of silly when what you really want is for ten year olds to not be offing each other.

I mean, that's what we all want, isn't it?


Yes.  That's what we want.  In the interim, we'd also like to make it harder for kids to off each other.  Guns are more powerful and better for killing.  That's why we send soldiers out with guns and knives instead of just knives.

I think the problem is complex and no one solution will solve it.  Limit the damage that kids can do, mental health care and screenings.  I think psychopathy is easier to identify in children than in adults because by the time one is an adult they're better at disguising their lack of empathy.
 
2013-02-18 08:20:34 AM  

GAT_00: quatchi: Nope

That was his point.

But nobody has ever pretended that an AWB bill would solve everything.  And it's pretty clear at this point that we can't simply tell gun owners to be more responsible and think we've solved all the rest of the problems.


I'm pro gun rights and against any AWB bill - but all of that being said, I think that if a gun owner's gun is stolen and used in the commission of a crime, and if it can be proven that the gun was stolen due to negligence on the part of the gun owner, then the gun owner should face some kind of criminal charge. Maybe some degree of being an accessory to the commission of the crime or something.
 
2013-02-18 08:22:27 AM  

Cornelius Dribble: way south: Cornelius Dribble: Broken people are a lot less dangerous without guns in their hands.

Based on the assumption they won't choose an equally dangerous method to achieve their goals.

According to this report the initial plan was for a stabbing with the gun as a backup. Debating about whether the lack of a gun, a knife, a club or a rock would have made the situation better is kind of silly when what you really want is for ten year olds to not be offing each other.

I mean, that's what we all want, isn't it?

Guns are much much more likely to be lethal than any other weapon, as homicide rates from around the world have shown us for years,.But if you've ignored the statistics up until now, there's no sense bringing them up yet again, I suppose.


So, the argument really is: well, we don't care if people attack and injure each other, we just care if they're able to  kill each other.  Got it. So let's not fix the problem, let's just make it harder to quickly kill and leave people injured and traumatized instead.

/that argument makes no farking sense whatsoever.
 
2013-02-18 08:24:58 AM  

digitalrain: GAT_00: quatchi: Nope

That was his point.

But nobody has ever pretended that an AWB bill would solve everything.  And it's pretty clear at this point that we can't simply tell gun owners to be more responsible and think we've solved all the rest of the problems.

I'm pro gun rights and against any AWB bill - but all of that being said, I think that if a gun owner's gun is stolen and used in the commission of a crime, and if it can be proven that the gun was stolen due to negligence on the part of the gun owner, then the gun owner should face some kind of criminal charge. Maybe some degree of being an accessory to the commission of the crime or something.


This. If the gun owner failed to secure his weapons and they were taken and used in a crime, then the gun owner should be held liable, with the proviso that if the gun owner did everything possible to secure his weapons, and immediately notified police upon finding them missing, that liability be waived.
 
2013-02-18 08:27:02 AM  

Smoking GNU: America is broken.


Have you checked to make sure it's plugged in?
 
2013-02-18 08:28:27 AM  
The best solution is to shrink the size of ,or even if possible, abolish completely , large schools. it is unnatural, unhealthy and not producing the results desired to house for 8-10 hours a day this many children under one roof. The ideal way would be to have true neighborhood learning centers with several teachers with less than 50 kids per center. five times a year the learning centers would have assembly days with several dozen centers meeting for a week for kids to meet and greet. Once a year have a large convention of learning centers. After the kids finish 10 years they then can be shuffled into college or work directed technical schools . This is how it is done in my imaginary world and there has never been one murder,rape or teacher bang-a-thon ever. BUT that would mean giving over portion of the control to locals and that is where you farkers would have the problem.
 
2013-02-18 08:34:51 AM  

swangoatman: .... BUT that would mean giving over portion of the control to locals and that is where you farkers would have the problem.


Meh - the problem THERE is that the "locals" often have extreme views on certain things - be it Jesus-Land, or Hippy-Land. I think schooling should be left to things that are FACT - so you can leave the experimental/theory stuff until AFTER the kid is old enough to decide for themselves - without Minister FSM coercing them to one side or the other...

/I live in a redneck, rural county with a huge liberal arts university, so I'd get a kick...
 
2013-02-18 08:49:20 AM  
FTA: "School authorities said two fifth-grade boys planned to use the weapons to lure another student outside the school..."

So...  was she the sort of girl that could be lured by the promise of weapons?

FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

I would argue that any child that sets a cat on fire "just because" has higher "aspirations" in life- of the sort that would horrify most people.  Most Psychologists would agree.  Maybe there's something wrong with your definition of "innocuous pranks" my dear Prosecutor.

CSB: I once had a twelve-year-old loosen the lug nuts on both of my front tires, then replace the hubcaps, simply because I objected to him breaking glass in our back yard which was:

a) frequented by toddlers and other children younger than six.
b) wasn't his goddamn yard in the first place.

I'd been driving on the pike that day, with two very young children and one other person in that car with me.  I'd been driving at high speeds.  Fortunately I noticed the wobble fairly quickly and got the hell off the highway to check it out.  If I'd lost one or both of my front wheels, that very well could have gotten one or more of us killed.  I'd later get the testimony from one of the neighbor's children that he had, indeed, done just that.

When confronted, the twelve-year-old's mother had the following to say:

"Not MY son!"

I told her I had little interest in what she thought her son was and was not capable of- as her perception of it was clearly warped and likely more than a little responsible for how this little monster had gotten to be that way in the first place.  Then I called the cops on the little bastard and his negligent twat of a mother.

Moral of the story: children like this don't grow up that way in a vacuum.
 
2013-02-18 08:55:09 AM  
I sincerely hope the kids are not tried as adults, and that all of the children involved get help.
 
2013-02-18 08:59:59 AM  

SkunkWerks: FTA: "School authorities said two fifth-grade boys planned to use the weapons to lure another student outside the school..."

So...  was she the sort of girl that could be lured by the promise of weapons?

FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

I would argue that any child that sets a cat on fire "just because" has higher "aspirations" in life- of the sort that would horrify most people.  Most Psychologists would agree.  Maybe there's something wrong with your definition of "innocuous pranks" my dear Prosecutor.

CSB: I once had a twelve-year-old loosen the lug nuts on both of my front tires, then replace the hubcaps, simply because I objected to him breaking glass in our back yard which was:

a) frequented by toddlers and other children younger than six.
b) wasn't his goddamn yard in the first place.

I'd been driving on the pike that day, with two very young children and one other person in that car with me.  I'd been driving at high speeds.  Fortunately I noticed the wobble fairly quickly and got the hell off the highway to check it out.  If I'd lost one or both of my front wheels, that very well could have gotten one or more of us killed.  I'd later get the testimony from one of the neighbor's children that he had, indeed, done just that.

When confronted, the twelve-year-old's mother had the following to say:

"Not MY son!"

I told her I had little interest in what she thought her son was and was not capable of- as her perception of it was clearly warped and likely more than a little responsible for how this little monster had gotten to be that way in the first place.  Then I called the cops on the little bastard and his negligent twat of a mother.

Moral of the story: children like this don't grow up that way in a vacuum.


Holy crap, I hope they locked the little bastard up. I don't see how sabotaging your vehicle is anything but attempted murder.
 
2013-02-18 09:06:17 AM  
Don't parents talk to their kids anymore?  Hell, do they even parent their kids anymore or just leave them with the xBox?  It may be good to try to teach them that killing other people is a bad thing...and there are better ways to handle conflicts than to stab or shoot people.
 
2013-02-18 09:14:48 AM  

Cornelius Dribble: way south: Cornelius Dribble: Broken people are a lot less dangerous without guns in their hands.

Based on the assumption they won't choose an equally dangerous method to achieve their goals.

According to this report the initial plan was for a stabbing with the gun as a backup. Debating about whether the lack of a gun, a knife, a club or a rock would have made the situation better is kind of silly when what you really want is for ten year olds to not be offing each other.

I mean, that's what we all want, isn't it?

Guns are much much more likely to be lethal than any other weapon, as homicide rates from around the world have shown us for years,.But if you've ignored the statistics up until now, there's no sense bringing them up yet again, I suppose.

Guns aren't the most lethal weapon, statistically speaking.
The highest casualty incidents usually involve arson or explosives.   Homicide rates from around the world have shown that gun bans only work in already low crime areas.Its like saying that painting your car white prevents birds from pooping on it, but then you only choose white cars parked in garages to prove your case.Again, this was a planned stabbing. You've got two violent little farkwits ready to cause a tragedy and your thought is that removing the gun would have made everything better.Humans don't work that way.
 
2013-02-18 09:21:48 AM  

pyrotek85: I don't see how sabotaging your vehicle is anything but attempted murder.


Well, not that I would want to have my vehicle sabotaged in any way, but there are certainly ways which invoke considerably less potential for fatality.

For instance, up till that point this little bastard has been parking nails against my tires at an angle so that, once my car started rolling, I would puncture them.  Went through two tires before I figured out to check underneath my car every time I went to move it.

It was some time after that we graduated to loosening lugs, apparently.  Again, this was all because I wouldn't let him vandalize and caltrop a yard he had no business being in in the first place.

This child, from what I understand, also had a history of torturing animals.  Big shocker, I know.  So when I see a Prosecutor claiming that such acts are "just the sorts of things children do" it kinda makes me wonder about the entire community where these two would-be-murders grew up in- what standards they have, and how much it takes before one "sounds the alarm" that a parent is raising a future sociopath.

It doesn't take a village necessarily, but that doesn't mean the village doesn't leave it's mark on a child at all.
 
2013-02-18 09:22:10 AM  
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Picture of annoying girl...
 
2013-02-18 09:24:33 AM  
"To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do

WTF, if this is really what "normal" 10 and 11 year old are expected do today then American society is really to sick to survive and Ragnarok can't come soon enough.

I know that kids do stupid things, I did a lot of stupid "here hold my beer" moments (but w/o beer) but save a few abandon barns any damage done was either to myself or my friends, oh and my car I had in HS, but as far as my parents are concerned I hit a deer ;-)
 
2013-02-18 09:24:34 AM  

super_grass: Children and family of gun owners and NRA supporters deserve be executed on pay-per-view with all the profits going to the relatives of the people being senselessly killed by guns in this country.

I'd watch the hell out of it and laugh myself to sleep every night knowing that those homicidal nut jobs are suffering like their victims.

*sigh*, a person can dream :)


I recommend that you consult a psychiatrist regarding your psychotic tendencies.
 
2013-02-18 09:32:13 AM  

Farkage: You don't see a difference between the statement of "The NRA is against mental health care" and having someone's rights restored?  Really?  And as I said, the initially quoted article had nothing to do with mental health, did it?  But that is your "Evidence"?  Goalpost moving or just comprehension fail?


Wow, it's sorta like watching a chicken with it's head cut off running around the yard by this point.

If you can't figure out that the NRA giving guns back to people with mental issues and preventing any research into correlations between gun violence and mental illness is proof that the NRA doesn't give a crap about reducing gun violence or mental health then you are either too stupid for words or simple minded troll who can't read.

You are really, really bad at this.
 
2013-02-18 09:36:54 AM  

quatchi: vygramul: The assault weapons ban would have prevented this.

Nope, but a gun lock and a responsible gun owner might have.

Would love to be a fly on the wall when they haul in whoever's gun this was and ask how this 10 yo stole his gun.


Gun lock?  You mean a kid that would steal a gun wouldn't figure out how to steal a frickin' key to unlock it with?

Maybe if the key itself had a lock, right?
 
2013-02-18 09:39:20 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: I think I would love to see a ten year old try to shoot a .45


Oh?  Why?  My 10 year old son has shot my Glock .45 along with my 13 year old daughter when she was 12.  They're both quite good shots with it.

Neither wet their pants while doing so either.
 
2013-02-18 10:03:37 AM  

Cornelius Dribble: Broken people are a lot less dangerous without guns in their hands.


Gacy, Bundy, Dahmer, Bianchi and Buono, Ridgway, Rifkin, Knowles......

I'd wager broken people use their hands more than a firearm. Especially since a majority of firearm homicides are business related...ie drug trade related.
 
2013-02-18 10:09:32 AM  

SkunkWerks: pyrotek85: I don't see how sabotaging your vehicle is anything but attempted murder.

Well, not that I would want to have my vehicle sabotaged in any way, but there are certainly ways which invoke considerably less potential for fatality.

For instance, up till that point this little bastard has been parking nails against my tires at an angle so that, once my car started rolling, I would puncture them.  Went through two tires before I figured out to check underneath my car every time I went to move it.

It was some time after that we graduated to loosening lugs, apparently.  Again, this was all because I wouldn't let him vandalize and caltrop a yard he had no business being in in the first place.

This child, from what I understand, also had a history of torturing animals.  Big shocker, I know.  So when I see a Prosecutor claiming that such acts are "just the sorts of things children do" it kinda makes me wonder about the entire community where these two would-be-murders grew up in- what standards they have, and how much it takes before one "sounds the alarm" that a parent is raising a future sociopath.

It doesn't take a village necessarily, but that doesn't mean the village doesn't leave it's mark on a child at all.


Best trick:
glue a tiny pebble into the valve stem cap.
Slow leak is produced.
When mechanic removes cap to inflate tire and check for leaks, no leak.
Mechanic puts cap back on and rolls tire out to car.
Tire flat again next morning.
No serious damage.
 
2013-02-18 10:12:46 AM  

Zelron: Giltric: The firearm doesn't create the disregard for human life.
People are broken...address that first before more firearm legislation.

Why not both at the same time?


Because millions of responsible gun owners shouldn't be punished due to those who are irresponsible.
 
2013-02-18 10:13:25 AM  

GranoblasticMan: Smoking GNU: America is broken.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?


This is what happens when you fail to reboot routinely.

You know, we could do 24/7 monitor of Congresscritters,,,
 
2013-02-18 10:23:17 AM  

quatchi: Farkage: You don't see a difference between the statement of "The NRA is against mental health care" and having someone's rights restored?  Really?  And as I said, the initially quoted article had nothing to do with mental health, did it?  But that is your "Evidence"?  Goalpost moving or just comprehension fail?

Wow, it's sorta like watching a chicken with it's head cut off running around the yard by this point.

If you can't figure out that the NRA giving guns back to people with mental issues and preventing any research into correlations between gun violence and mental illness is proof that the NRA doesn't give a crap about reducing gun violence or mental health then you are either too stupid for words or simple minded troll who can't read.

You are really, really bad at this.


Initial statement: "The NRA is against mental health but just recently started supporting it".  Me: "What makes you say that?"  You:  "Here's an opinion blog"  Me: "Here's an actual news article from 2009 that proves otherwise". You: "But..but...gun violence investigation!!!"  Me: "But that isn't being against mental health, is it?"  You: Deeerp.
Dude, there is nothing wrong with someone getting their rights restored.  It shouldn't be automatic, but to say that someone is being allowed to own a firearm that at one point had issues in the past is a pretty stupid thing to do.  Should someone that got a DWI 20 years ago and no longer drrinks at all be allowed to have a license now?  If not, you better go out there and lobby to get the millions of pieces of sh*t off the road.  According to your logic at least.
Try to keep up with the adults, okay?
 
2013-02-18 10:24:48 AM  

Giltric: Zelron: Giltric: The firearm doesn't create the disregard for human life.
People are broken...address that first before more firearm legislation.

Why not both at the same time?

Because millions of responsible gun owners shouldn't be punished due to those who are irresponsible.


I agree... just because one jackass is going to be irresponsible with <choose one from list below> shouldn't mean I can't have any.

a chunk of plutonium
LSD
heroine
bath salts
mustard gas
a bengal tiger as a pet
grenades
an EMP generator
huge bonfires in my backyard
(list could go on and on and on...)
 
2013-02-18 10:25:32 AM  
Say whutt?

The more than three million Americans who currently own AR-15s must wonder if any of these people know what they're talking about. These guns are not cheap, but they have been the best-selling long arm in this country for some years. Those three million people didn't buy them just to look at or because they are planning to use them to kill their fellow citizens.


The National Shooting Sports Foundation has surveyed the purchasers of AR-15s. The AR-15 is the most commonly used rifle for marksmanship training and competition. Nearly 90% of those who own an AR-15 use it for recreational target shooting; 51% of AR owners are members of shooting clubs and visit the range regularly. The typical AR owner is not a crazed teenage psychopath, but a 35+ year old, married and has some college education.


The popularity of the AR can be traced in part to the fact that it is a semi-automatic version of the rifle used by the men and women of the military. Nearly half of AR owners are veterans, law enforcement officers, or both. It is a configuration they are familiar with and enjoy shooting. My daughter, for example, served two tours in Iraq, one in Afghanistan, and only owns one gun - an AR.


AR 15s are good for hunting. Some buy an AR for home defense and about six percent of buyers are either collectors or varmint hunters. The standard AR is illegal in most states for deer and big game hunting because it is not considered powerful enough to reliably put down deer-sized or larger game, but is used for coyote, wolf and feral pig hunting in many states.


http://www.humanevents.com/2013/01/02/the-ar-15-the-gun-liberals-lo ve- to-hate/">http://www.humanevents.com/2013/01/02/the-ar-15-the-gun-lib erals-love- to-hate/
 
2013-02-18 10:30:07 AM  

stonicus: Giltric: Zelron: Giltric: The firearm doesn't create the disregard for human life.
People are broken...address that first before more firearm legislation.

Why not both at the same time?

Because millions of responsible gun owners shouldn't be punished due to those who are irresponsible.

I agree... just because one jackass is going to be irresponsible with <choose one from list below> shouldn't mean I can't have any.

a chunk of plutonium
LSD
heroine
bath salts
mustard gas
a bengal tiger as a pet
grenades
an EMP generator
huge bonfires in my backyard
(list could go on and on and on...)


Heroine you can have if you find you and she agrees with it.  Heroin, not so much.

Bath salts at literally any drugstore you care to name.

Bengal tiger?  Only if you can do magic and not wear Heinz 57 as aftershave.

Huge bonfires?  Why not?  Depends on where you live, I suppose.

Your breathless list of scary things you shouldn't have said more about you than you probably thought it would.
 
2013-02-18 10:30:23 AM  

stonicus: Giltric: Zelron: Giltric: The firearm doesn't create the disregard for human life.
People are broken...address that first before more firearm legislation.

Why not both at the same time?

Because millions of responsible gun owners shouldn't be punished due to those who are irresponsible.

I agree... just because one jackass is going to be irresponsible with <choose one from list below> shouldn't mean I can't have any.

a chunk of plutonium
LSD
heroine
bath salts
mustard gas
a bengal tiger as a pet
grenades
an EMP generator
huge bonfires in my backyard
(list could go on and on and on...)


Would you be in favor of mandatory breathalyzer ignition locks on all cars?
How about people who made good financial choices when it came to buying a home bailing out those who didn't?

The bailout/mortgage thing might be a bad example...because people on the left LOVE free shiat and being absolved of responsibility.
 
2013-02-18 10:41:44 AM  

craig328: Your breathless list of scary things you shouldn't have said more about you than you probably thought it would.


Weren't supposed to be scary.  Just a list of things that can be quite useful is used properly, and quite harmful if used irresponsibly.
 
2013-02-18 10:41:52 AM  
Giltric: 
 breathalyzer ignition locks

Umm, a myth.
Can defeat with a balloon.
The quest for one that is not easily defeated goes on.
 
2013-02-18 10:42:13 AM  

BostonEMT: swangoatman: .... BUT that would mean giving over portion of the control to locals and that is where you farkers would have the problem.

Meh - the problem THERE is that the "locals" often have extreme views on certain things - be it Jesus-Land, or Hippy-Land. I think schooling should be left to things that are FACT - so you can leave the experimental/theory stuff until AFTER the kid is old enough to decide for themselves - without Minister FSM coercing them to one side or the other...

/I live in a redneck, rural county with a huge liberal arts university, so I'd get a kick...


Thats not a problem..it is actually a solution. Seeing the results of these much smaller "zones" will enable the educators at the local assemblies to compare what is and is not working. Since these assemblies are closer than a big state convention the likelihood of crossover types of people is there. Then as these assemblies gather information they disseminate them at conventions. No one is force to take the information and use it ,but there would be an interchange of ideas.
At least that is how it has been working in the MY WORLD i created. Would you join me?
 
2013-02-18 10:47:27 AM  
Don't those kids know this is against the law? Enforce the existing laws! That will stop them. Now. After we caught them already  Or something.
 
2013-02-18 11:06:20 AM  

quatchi: IlGreven: quatchi: mental health care (Which the NRA itself now endorses ,you'll note)

...no, they don't.  They just say they do to take the heat off.  But as long as they keep national health organizations and HMOs on their "enemies of the 2nd amendment" watchlist for deigning to have the opinion that perhaps fewer guns would save us millions in healthcare costs, don't believe it for a second.

The NRA used their ridiculous amount of power over Congress to prevent for years any studies being done linking mental health and gun violence. I'm aware of that. The enmity there goes back a ways. Just the fact that their shills had to come out and say it's part of the problem is a win at this point in the debate regardless of their actual position on the issue they have ostensibly come out for it.

The left can use that.

But yeah, your point that they are lying sacks of shiat when they say that stands.

I should have clarified.


Bwahahaha, the NRA is one of the smallest lobbies in washington, it's not even in the top 50. Where the NRA gets it's power isn't with money, but with several million people who want democrats to fark off and leave their guns alone.
 
2013-02-18 11:07:12 AM  

snocone: Say whutt?

The more than three million Americans who currently own AR-15s must wonder if any of these people know what they're talking about. These guns are not cheap, but they have been the best-selling long arm in this country for some years. Those three million people didn't buy them just to look at or because they are planning to use them to kill their fellow citizens.


The National Shooting Sports Foundation has surveyed the purchasers of AR-15s. The AR-15 is the most commonly used rifle for marksmanship training and competition. Nearly 90% of those who own an AR-15 use it for recreational target shooting; 51% of AR owners are members of shooting clubs and visit the range regularly. The typical AR owner is not a crazed teenage psychopath, but a 35+ year old, married and has some college education.


The popularity of the AR can be traced in part to the fact that it is a semi-automatic version of the rifle used by the men and women of the military. Nearly half of AR owners are veterans, law enforcement officers, or both. It is a configuration they are familiar with and enjoy shooting. My daughter, for example, served two tours in Iraq, one in Afghanistan, and only owns one gun - an AR.


AR 15s are good for hunting. Some buy an AR for home defense and about six percent of buyers are either collectors or varmint hunters. The standard AR is illegal in most states for deer and big game hunting because it is not considered powerful enough to reliably put down deer-sized or larger game, but is used for coyote, wolf and feral pig hunting in many states.


http://www.humanevents.com/2013/01/02/the-ar-15-the-gun-liberals-lo ve- to-hate/">http://www.humanevents.com/2013/01/02/the-ar-15-the-gun-lib erals-love- to-hate/


AR-15 rifles have barrel shrouds. I do not know what barrel shrouds are -- I believe them to be the shoulder things that go up -- but I have been assured that such devices serve no legitimate civilian purpose.
 
2013-02-18 11:22:15 AM  

GUTSU: Bwahahaha, the NRA is one of the smallest lobbies in washington, it's not even in the top 50. Where the NRA gets it's power isn't with money, but with several million people who want democrats to fark off and leave their guns alone.


In a nutshell...this!
 
2013-02-18 11:26:11 AM  
Gee I wonder where they got the idea? Probably one of the guns whispered it to them right?
 
2013-02-18 11:26:45 AM  

super_grass: Children and family of gun owners and NRA supporters deserve be executed on pay-per-view with all the profits going to the relatives of the people being senselessly killed by guns in this country.

I'd watch the hell out of it and laugh myself to sleep every night knowing that those homicidal nut jobs are suffering like their victims.

*sigh*, a person can dream :)


Ladies and gentlemen, THIS is what a homicidal psychopath sounds like. You get the whole "Fantasizing about killing a certain demographic in creative ways" mixed in with "No sense of conscience regarding personal wrongdoing". You are a sick person that needs to take up permanent residence in the nearest mental institution.

/see how you've become the very thing you claim to hate?
 
2013-02-18 11:37:31 AM  

James F. Campbell: Children who set cats on fire should be executed.

/Not kidding.


there are many avenues to fark with you on this

instead, i'd like to ask: where is the line drawn?

ever use a magnifying glass to fry an ant?

plink a bird with a bb rifle ?

hunting in general ?
 
2013-02-18 11:46:26 AM  

Zelron: Katolu: An armed teacher could have put those two little farkers down nice and quick. Clearly we need at the very least armed patrols in our elementary schools.

Um, an unarmed teacher did stop them.


I guess I need to recalibrate my sarcasm output...
 
2013-02-18 11:47:08 AM  

inner ted: James F. Campbell: Children who set cats on fire should be executed.

/Not kidding.

there are many avenues to fark with you on this

instead, i'd like to ask: where is the line drawn?

ever use a magnifying glass to fry an ant?

plink a bird with a bb rifle ?

hunting in general ?


Burning ants with a magnifying glass may be indicative of psychotic tendencies. Further investigation is warranted, however.

Hunting for subsistence or for pest control is typically not.
 
2013-02-18 12:10:25 PM  

andynz81: America, you crazy.


This times a billion. WTF is it with all the crazy lately?
 
2013-02-18 12:21:33 PM  

Dimensio: inner ted: James F. Campbell: Children who set cats on fire should be executed.

/Not kidding.

there are many avenues to fark with you on this

instead, i'd like to ask: where is the line drawn?

ever use a magnifying glass to fry an ant?

plink a bird with a bb rifle ?

hunting in general ?

Burning ants with a magnifying glass may be indicative of psychotic tendencies. Further investigation is warranted, however.

Hunting for subsistence or for pest control is typically not.


what 'further investigation' do you feel is warranted in such a case?

also: would you feel compelled to investigate a hunter who 'enjoyed' it too much ??
how would you know?
would they fill out a survey after every kill or would you just be checking them for boners?
 
2013-02-18 12:30:42 PM  

BigBurrito: FTA:

"To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.


This is what bothered me most in the article, and I'm pleased to see it came up in the very Weeners. Maybe I shouldn't be disgusted with all of humanity yet.
 
2013-02-18 12:32:02 PM  
...WHO THE HELL LET THEM GET THEIR HANDS ON A GUN ?!?!?
 
2013-02-18 12:32:03 PM  

Dimensio: R-15 rifles have barrel shrouds. I do not know what barrel shrouds are -- I believe them to be the shoulder things that go up -- but I have been assured that such devices serve no legitimate civilian purpose.


Uhhh....no, actually.  Most do not have a barrel shroud.  All come with a handguard, but most do not come with a barrel shroud.  As for the "shoulder things that go up"  I have no idea what you mean, but if the barrel is anywhere near your shoulder, you are doing it wrong.
 
2013-02-18 12:33:40 PM  

SkunkWerks: pyrotek85: I don't see how sabotaging your vehicle is anything but attempted murder.

Well, not that I would want to have my vehicle sabotaged in any way, but there are certainly ways which invoke considerably less potential for fatality.

For instance, up till that point this little bastard has been parking nails against my tires at an angle so that, once my car started rolling, I would puncture them.  Went through two tires before I figured out to check underneath my car every time I went to move it.

It was some time after that we graduated to loosening lugs, apparently.  Again, this was all because I wouldn't let him vandalize and caltrop a yard he had no business being in in the first place.

This child, from what I understand, also had a history of torturing animals.  Big shocker, I know.  So when I see a Prosecutor claiming that such acts are "just the sorts of things children do" it kinda makes me wonder about the entire community where these two would-be-murders grew up in- what standards they have, and how much it takes before one "sounds the alarm" that a parent is raising a future sociopath.

It doesn't take a village necessarily, but that doesn't mean the village doesn't leave it's mark on a child at all.


I can see leaving you with flat tires in the morning not being attempted murder, but what did he think was going to happen by loosening but not completely removing lug nuts? The intent had to be for them to come off while the vehicle was in motion, I can't see how'd they argue otherwise. Did anything ever happen after you called the police on him?
 
2013-02-18 12:35:13 PM  

craig328: quatchi: vygramul: The assault weapons ban would have prevented this.

Nope, but a gun lock and a responsible gun owner might have.

Would love to be a fly on the wall when they haul in whoever's gun this was and ask how this 10 yo stole his gun.

Gun lock?  You mean a kid that would steal a gun wouldn't figure out how to steal a frickin' key to unlock it with?

Maybe if the key itself had a lock, right?


You could go with a gun combination lock.  No keys!
 
2013-02-18 12:35:49 PM  

metal_gear: ...WHO THE HELL LET THEM GET THEIR HANDS ON A GUN ?!?!?


It was legally bought by the older girl.
 
2013-02-18 12:46:04 PM  

vygramul: craig328: quatchi: vygramul: The assault weapons ban would have prevented this.

Nope, but a gun lock and a responsible gun owner might have.

Would love to be a fly on the wall when they haul in whoever's gun this was and ask how this 10 yo stole his gun.

Gun lock?  You mean a kid that would steal a gun wouldn't figure out how to steal a frickin' key to unlock it with?

Maybe if the key itself had a lock, right?

You could go with a gun combination lock.  No keys!



EGAD!  That's it man!  You've just solved gun violence!
 
2013-02-18 01:19:16 PM  

mikaloyd: BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.

Cats are not worshipped as much in Hillbilly Holler Washington as they are on FARK. Its a regional thing.


if you think torturing any animal is ok, then you are a sociopath as well.
 
2013-02-18 01:19:57 PM  

quatchi: GAT_00: quatchi: Nope

That was his point.

But nobody has ever pretended that an AWB bill would solve everything.  And it's pretty clear at this point that we can't simply tell gun owners to be more responsible and think we've solved all the rest of the problems.

In point of fact I don't give a flying fart about the AWB. I've hoped since the beginning that this was just a chip on the table that will be taken off the table at some point and traded for of more money for mental health care (Which the NRA itself now endorses ,you'll note) and closing the gun sale loophole. The brick and mortar gun guys want to see the loophole closed as it forces more people into their big box ergo the GOP gets to say they stopped the AWB, more crazy folks get help, the loophole gets closed clearing up a grey area that's been rife for abuse and maybe dampening the more gung-ho nutty portions of the gun culture and hte cops get a better database to do their jobs. Some common sense registration stuff would be a cherry on the top there but regardless in that scenario everybody gets to say they've won and things get not perfect but better. This is what I hope.

/It should probably be noted that I'm also hoping for a hot steamy night-long romp with Scar Jo and Rachel Weiss later on this evening but that probably isn't gonna happen.
//I hope for a lot of things.
///Right now I'm hoping there's still a piece of cherry pie inna fridge. Mmmm ...Pie.


See this right here is the problem.... It seems like all any anti's know about guns is what the media has told them. Putting aside that the "gun show loophole" is not, the real problem is that studies have shown that almost no criminals (under 1% IIRC) get their firearms directly from this "loophole" and that no more get them indirectly through this "loophole" (strawman purchase for instance) than they do from any other source. In addition almost all of that ~1% would still get firearms through other means without this loophole. So basically you are talking about farking* over 150,000,000 private citizens in order to stop, less than 1000 gun crimes per year, of which only a dozen or two would involve people actually getting shot, and of which only a couple people would die (and some of the people shot or killed would be criminals!). Also there is the question of what this "loophole" really is.... and I guarantee that 95% of anti's can't even define it correctly even though it is incredibly simple to understand.

Almost all gun control laws are what I like to call "pre-crime" laws.... Laws that make something that is otherwise harmless, or even beneficial, illegal because on incredibly rare occasions it is part of the precursor actions of an actual crime. Pre-crime laws don't stop, or even slow, criminals except on the rare occasions they are caught by luck violating the pre-crime before they commit a real crime, but this is very very rare, and in the meantime these laws make life much harder for law abiding citizens, to the point that some otherwise law abiding citizens who make a simple mistake end up convicted under these laws, thus offsetting the societal benefit entirely. For instance, going to a school and shooting people with a gun is obviously a crime, but the federal government has also made it a crime to come within 1000 feet of a school with a gun (with each state able to make their own exceptions). Prior to this law being created guns went near, and in, schools tens of thousands of times per day without issue at least 99.9999% (this is not hyperbole) of the time, and they actually still do today (at least the near part). This law does nothing to stop school shootings, and turns thousands of law abiding citizens, usually unknowingly, into criminals every day. It is a do-nothing but harm, pre-crime law. Same as an any law to shut down the so called "gun show loopholes". 99.999% of the time firearms sold privately by law abiding citizens are not used in a crime by the new owner. Yet for some reason we are going to make this otherwise legal and harmless action into a crime, or charge people to do it legally? It makes less than no sense. These pre-crime laws are no different than outlawing alcohol for everyone because drinking it is occasionally the precursor to a crime. As a matter of fact doing that makes FAR more sense than requiring NICS checks for private gun sales because it would actually stop far more deaths and injuries, and would very directly do so.

*What do I mean by farking over? Let me detail it for you:

Chances are this gun check system would not be free, so that is $20 or more (most likely) lost to the check without hardly any crimes being stopped. This is also (as with most gun control laws all of which directly or indirectly increase the cost of ownership) discriminatory towards poor people. Single mom, bad neighborhood, criminals broke in to the house twice in the last year already? Just saving $200 for a crappy gun to protect her children could take most of a year. Add in paying a NCIS check fee and a requirement to purchase a safe, and suddenly it is more like 18 months before she can get a gun.
Any system of this nature will require gun registration to work. Without registration the only way to enforce this law is with stings, which takes a lot of time and effort on the part of the police for minimal effect. This is a very large part of why people are so strongly against checks for private sales. Anyone not blinded by anti-gun hysteria knows that the inevitable result of the laws will be registration, and historically registration has ALWAYS lead to confiscation, and confiscation eventually (varying from immediately to 50 years, but always eventually) to the loss of other rights.
In fact, the loss of rights thing is already built into some of these laws. For instance in Washington State they have a bill under consideration to require private sales to go through this kind of check. Appended to this law are also requirements to secure firearms and to allow a once-yearly check by the local sheriff to ensure the firearms are present and secured properly. In other words, in order to exercise your second amendment rights you will have to give up your 4th amendment rights.... WTF????
 
2013-02-18 01:28:22 PM  

Cornelius Dribble: Guns are much much more likely to be lethal than any other weapon


...said the person who has never seen what a knife can do. Seriously, if you think a gun can kill you any deader than a knife can, you're sadly mistaken. A firearm just makes it easier to kill someone from a distance.

This video is kinda cheesy, but it does give somewhat of a good idea as to how dangerous knives can be(NSFW, some gore and there's some crappy Death Metal in some parts).
 
2013-02-18 01:34:57 PM  

Smoking GNU: America is broken.


If we would stop making the people who do these horrible things famous then these things would happen much much less often. Giving them and their acts attention is exactly what drives others SEEKING ATTENTION to do these things. Without the attention there will almost never be sufficient motivation for anyone to actually do these kinds of things.
 
2013-02-18 01:42:58 PM  
Euthanize the defective little freaks.
 
2013-02-18 01:56:45 PM  

craig328: vygramul: craig328: quatchi: vygramul: The assault weapons ban would have prevented this.

Nope, but a gun lock and a responsible gun owner might have.

Would love to be a fly on the wall when they haul in whoever's gun this was and ask how this 10 yo stole his gun.

Gun lock?  You mean a kid that would steal a gun wouldn't figure out how to steal a frickin' key to unlock it with?

Maybe if the key itself had a lock, right?

You could go with a gun combination lock.  No keys!


EGAD!  That's it man!  You've just solved gun violence!


All we need now is for Congress to regulate the lock.

/That should keep them busy...
 
2013-02-18 02:05:18 PM  

vygramul: craig328: vygramul: craig328: quatchi: vygramul: The assault weapons ban would have prevented this.

Nope, but a gun lock and a responsible gun owner might have.

Would love to be a fly on the wall when they haul in whoever's gun this was and ask how this 10 yo stole his gun.

Gun lock?  You mean a kid that would steal a gun wouldn't figure out how to steal a frickin' key to unlock it with?

Maybe if the key itself had a lock, right?

You could go with a gun combination lock.  No keys!


EGAD!  That's it man!  You've just solved gun violence!

All we need now is for Congress to regulate the lock.

/That should keep them busy...


Meh.  They'll come up with a law that has us having to register the combinations.

//you can have my gun when you can pry left-21, right-45, left18 from my cold dead hands
 
2013-02-18 02:06:33 PM  

DarkLancelot: BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.

Glad I wasn't the only one that noticed that.  "They do kid's stuff.  Set the cat on fire.  Rain thermonuclear death over our neighbors.  You know, kid's stuff."


So that stood out to someone else too huh lol.

Cruelty is cruelty.
 
2013-02-18 02:10:58 PM  

Skraeling: DarkLancelot: BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.

Glad I wasn't the only one that noticed that.  "They do kid's stuff.  Set the cat on fire.  Rain thermonuclear death over our neighbors.  You know, kid's stuff."

So that stood out to someone else too huh lol.

Cruelty is cruelty.


Torturing animals as a child does not bode well for adulthood.
 
2013-02-18 02:13:41 PM  

PacManDreaming: BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.

That's what I'm wondering. As kids, we did pretty much everything on that list except set cats or dogs on fire. I think our favorite pastimes, growing up, were throwing snowballs at cars and dirt clods at each other.


I think what the psychologist was saying was that, for a ten-year-old, that's probably the most evil that they should be able to comprehend. Which I have to say I'd agree with; part of me is thinking that, if they hadn't gotten caught, the kid would have, at most, pulled the knife and tried to stab the girl before stopping.

The rest of me is wondering if anyone's sent social workers to those houses or given the kids psych screenings yet, because something's pretty damn farked up in those kids brains.
 
2013-02-18 02:25:22 PM  

PacManDreaming: Cornelius Dribble: Guns are much much more likely to be lethal than any other weapon

...said the person who has never seen what a knife can do. Seriously, if you think a gun can kill you any deader than a knife can, you're sadly mistaken. A firearm just makes it easier to kill someone from a distance.

This video is kinda cheesy, but it does give somewhat of a good idea as to how dangerous knives can be(NSFW, some gore and there's some crappy Death Metal in some parts).


Yeah knives scare me more than guns. If I was forced to choose I'd probably take getting shot once with a handgun vs a single stab or slash of a knife. Obviously neither are good, but a blade is much larger than a bullet, it's more likely to sever blood vessels whereas a bullet's damage is more focused, better chance of it missing something critical. Rifle cartridges however tend to be more disruptive to surrounding tissue.
 
2013-02-18 02:42:55 PM  

pyrotek85: PacManDreaming: Cornelius Dribble: Guns are much much more likely to be lethal than any other weapon

...said the person who has never seen what a knife can do. Seriously, if you think a gun can kill you any deader than a knife can, you're sadly mistaken. A firearm just makes it easier to kill someone from a distance.

This video is kinda cheesy, but it does give somewhat of a good idea as to how dangerous knives can be(NSFW, some gore and there's some crappy Death Metal in some parts).

Yeah knives scare me more than guns. If I was forced to choose I'd probably take getting shot once with a handgun vs a single stab or slash of a knife. Obviously neither are good, but a blade is much larger than a bullet, it's more likely to sever blood vessels whereas a bullet's damage is more focused, better chance of it missing something critical. Rifle cartridges however tend to be more disruptive to surrounding tissue.


Not so much rifle rounds but the type of round (ball, JHP, etc) and the caliber not to mention where it hits.  Any round will punch a hole and then either ricochet off bone and maybe shatter or maybe not.  The hollow points though deliver all that momentum energy into the wound cavity and THAT would be far worse than any blade would likely do to you.
 
2013-02-18 02:57:47 PM  

mikaloyd: BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.

Cats are not worshipped as much in Hillbilly Holler Washington as they are on FARK. Its a regional thing.


Hey, watch it! Eastern Washington shouldn't even be considered part of Washington.
 
2013-02-18 02:58:16 PM  

pyrotek85: Did anything ever happen after you called the police on him?


The police sat down and had a nice chat with both he and his mother.  I am uncertain if any formal charges were ever brought (though I gave every indication that I felt they should be brought).  Chances are it was the first time anyone had ever brought this much heat down on him at once.

Because it was a child that also provided the eye-witness account of the tampering, some ambiguity was claimed there as well in the boy's defense.

I never did find out what came of it ultimately.  I'm guessing that the cops, much like the prosecutor in this case, eventually shrugged their shoulders and said "it's just a thing that kids sometimes do," and let him off easy.  Haven't seen his name in the paper, yet.   He'd be about in his early 20's now.

Again, if the "village" isn't willing to do more than shrug stuff like this off, you've got a systemic problem there.
 
2013-02-18 03:08:41 PM  

pyrotek85: Yeah knives scare me more than guns. If I was forced to choose I'd probably take getting shot once with a handgun vs a single stab or slash of a knife. Obviously neither are good, but a blade is much larger than a bullet, it's more likely to sever blood vessels whereas a bullet's damage is more focused, better chance of it missing something critical.


I think you're ignorant of the statistical reality. Handguns, far and away, are responsible for the most deaths by assault in the United States. Source ("Homicide by weapon type")
 
2013-02-18 03:18:40 PM  

James F. Campbell: pyrotek85: Yeah knives scare me more than guns. If I was forced to choose I'd probably take getting shot once with a handgun vs a single stab or slash of a knife. Obviously neither are good, but a blade is much larger than a bullet, it's more likely to sever blood vessels whereas a bullet's damage is more focused, better chance of it missing something critical.

I think you're ignorant of the statistical reality. Handguns, far and away, are responsible for the most deaths by assault in the United States. Source ("Homicide by weapon type")


I meant scared of the kind of damage they can inflict. I know guns are responsible for more deaths because that's what people use in this age. They do offer advantages that knives don't and they're still pretty good at killing people obviously.
 
2013-02-18 03:58:49 PM  

GAT_00: quatchi: Nope

That was his point.

But nobody has ever pretended that an AWB bill would solve everything.  And it's pretty clear at this point that we can't simply tell gun owners to be more responsible and think we've solved all the rest of the problems.


So, Project Exile.  Mandatory 5 years in jail on top of the other penalties, if you use a gun in a crime.  Worked in Virginia, Sarah Brady _AND_ the NRA supported it.  Crime went down double-digit-percentages.  Later re-named "Project Safe Neighborhoods" and defunded by the Obama administration.
 
2013-02-18 04:11:38 PM  

mikaloyd: BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.

Cats are not worshipped as much in Hillbilly Holler Washington as they are on FARK. Its a regional thing.


I have a some family up in rural Washington, and I can vouch for this statement.

Up to the point where someone sets a cat on fire, my family would shoot that child, if only because flaming cats tend to spread fire and it's a pain to put out.
 
2013-02-18 04:35:05 PM  

GAT_00: quatchi: Nope

That was his point.

But nobody has ever pretended that an AWB bill would solve everything.  And it's pretty clear at this point that we can't simply tell gun owners to be more responsible and think we've solved all the rest of the problems.


Kind of like teenagers and sex. We simply can't tell them to be more responsible and think we'll have solved the... wait a second.

 And drug users would never benefit from education over prohobition... hold on.

 It seems education and discussion works for DAMN NEAR EVERYTHING ELSE, but suddenly it doesn't work for firearms because...that would make extra laws and bans unnecessary.

 Okay, got it.
 
2013-02-18 04:47:38 PM  

super_grass: Children and family of gun owners and NRA supporters deserve be executed on pay-per-view with all the profits going to the relatives of the people being senselessly killed by guns in this country.

I'd watch the hell out of it and laugh myself to sleep every night knowing that those homicidal nut jobs are suffering like their victims.

*sigh*, a person can dream :)


I'm going to take a wild guess that you live in a city and have never had to worry about wild animals....

Or you've never hunted to put food on your family's table.

 Or you've never had someone attack you.

There are plenty of reasons why someone might own a gun for their personal safety. Especially women.

 And while most of them are fairly indifferent to whether or not you personally want to own a gun yourself, the fact that you would rather execute people instead of allowing them to use guns in a positive and useful manner is rather psychotic.

/Of course, you just admitted to wanting to kill all police officers and soldiers too. So that's about par for the course then.
 
2013-02-18 04:55:44 PM  

cuzsis: And drug users would never benefit from education over prohobition


I'm very pro-Hobbiton.

www.filmfreakcentral.net

cuzsis: It seems education and discussion works for DAMN NEAR EVERYTHING ELSE, but suddenly it doesn't work for firearms


Suddenly?
 
2013-02-18 04:58:45 PM  

Satan's Dumptruck Driver: Can't learn the boundaries of what is acceptable when you aren't allowed near them.


You have a problematic attitude that's typical and doesn't help the problem.

"The boundaries of what is acceptable" is not "it's okay to punch him in the face but not shoot him".

"The boundaries of what is acceptable" is "it is not okay to verbally, physically, or sexually assault or harass another person, and no it is not just kids being kids, it's assault and harassment; if it would be a crime when you're 20 it's a crime when you're 10".

In your opinion, the bullied needs to learn the boundaries.  In actually, it's the bully that needs to learn them.
 
2013-02-18 05:06:53 PM  

Dimensio: snocone: Say whutt?

The more than three million Americans who currently own AR-15s must wonder if any of these people know what they're talking about. These guns are not cheap, but they have been the best-selling long arm in this country for some years. Those three million people didn't buy them just to look at or because they are planning to use them to kill their fellow citizens.


The National Shooting Sports Foundation has surveyed the purchasers of AR-15s. The AR-15 is the most commonly used rifle for marksmanship training and competition. Nearly 90% of those who own an AR-15 use it for recreational target shooting; 51% of AR owners are members of shooting clubs and visit the range regularly. The typical AR owner is not a crazed teenage psychopath, but a 35+ year old, married and has some college education.


The popularity of the AR can be traced in part to the fact that it is a semi-automatic version of the rifle used by the men and women of the military. Nearly half of AR owners are veterans, law enforcement officers, or both. It is a configuration they are familiar with and enjoy shooting. My daughter, for example, served two tours in Iraq, one in Afghanistan, and only owns one gun - an AR.


AR 15s are good for hunting. Some buy an AR for home defense and about six percent of buyers are either collectors or varmint hunters. The standard AR is illegal in most states for deer and big game hunting because it is not considered powerful enough to reliably put down deer-sized or larger game, but is used for coyote, wolf and feral pig hunting in many states.


http://www.humanevents.com/2013/01/02/the-ar-15-the-gun-liberals-lo ve- to-hate/">http://www.humanevents.com/2013/01/02/the-ar-15-the-gun-lib erals-love- to-hate/

AR-15 rifles have barrel shrouds. I do not know what barrel shrouds are -- I believe them to be the shoulder things that go up -- but I have been assured that such devices serve no legitimate civilian purpose.


Google it.


Shrouds are variable/optional handholds to keep you from burning yourself on a hot barrel.

Very lethal!
 
2013-02-18 05:12:06 PM  
I'll just leave this here

UN Maps Show US High In Gun Ownership
Published on http://www.ammoland.com/2013/02/u-n-maps-show-u-s-high-in-gun-ownershi p-low-in-homicides/" rel="bookmark" sab="70">Tuesday, February 12, 2013
 
2013-02-18 05:15:09 PM  
 
2013-02-18 06:54:06 PM  

snocone: Shrouds are variable/optional handholds to keep you from burning yourself on a hot barrel.

Very lethal!


It's a shroud.

A SHROUD.

SHROUD!

If that's not ALL ABOUT death, I don't know WHAT is.
 
2013-02-18 07:36:23 PM  

Farkage: quatchi: Farkage: IlGreven: quatchi: mental health care (Which the NRA itself now endorses ,you'll note)

...no, they don't.  They just say they do to take the heat off.  But as long as they keep national health organizations and HMOs on their "enemies of the 2nd amendment" watchlist for deigning to have the opinion that perhaps fewer guns would save us millions in healthcare costs, don't believe it for a second.

And exactly what makes you say that??  Why would you honestly believe they are against mental health care???

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/the-blockade-on-scie nc e-on-gun-violence/

It's not that scientists are uninterested in gun research or don't know how to study guns' connection to violence.  It's rather that the N.R.A. has blocked most efforts at serious gun research, going so far as to restrict access to the highly informative data available from Justice Department traces of guns used in crimes.  As The Times reported, "Scientists in the field and former officials with the government agency that used to finance the great bulk of this research say the influence of the National Rife Association has all but choked off money for such work."

As a result, things still stand pretty much as they were in 2004.  There is no scientific consensus on the best approach to limiting gun violence, and the N.R.A. is blocking work that might well lead to such a consensus.

This.

You quoted an opinion blog as "facts"??  That was a liberal-biased opinion about "gun research".  How about if you try reading this and give another shot at answering my question, mkay?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-2923101.html


gbge.aclu.org
 
2013-02-18 08:10:32 PM  

SkunkWerks: cuzsis: And drug users would never benefit from education over prohobition

I'm very pro-Hobbiton.

[www.filmfreakcentral.net image 450x300]

cuzsis: It seems education and discussion works for DAMN NEAR EVERYTHING ELSE, but suddenly it doesn't work for firearms

Suddenly?


Massively off topic, but hilarious. Thanks! :)
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-18 09:22:20 PM  

super_grass: TomD9938: super_grass: Children and family of gun owners and NRA supporters deserve be executed on pay-per-view with all the profits going to the relatives of the people being senselessly killed by guns in this country.

I'd watch the hell out of it and laugh myself to sleep every night knowing that those homicidal nut jobs are suffering like their victims.

*sigh*, a person can dream :)


You need new material.

You need better ways to compensate for you lack of manhood.


And there it is gentlefolk. The inevitable "penile size" reference so ineptly used when desperation sets in.

Advocating the violent murder of men, women and children based on some loose affiliations with an interest group?
So, sociopathic behavior with extreme vendetta bents is good in your view?
What you have written is disgusting and portrays you as likely worse than those whose deaths you would so willingly drool over.
Perhaps some soul searching is in order for you. You may want to rethink what you have written.

I will pray you have the most excellent luxury of never having to pick up arms and actually protect either yourself or one you love or care for.
Nobody has ever, nor will ever, do so with a gleeful smile. It is an intensely stressful and terrible thing to have to do.
You seem to be quite looking forward to doling out retribution you deem righteous in your views.
God complex much?
 
2013-02-19 07:51:50 AM  

Giltric: stonicus: Giltric: Zelron: Giltric: The firearm doesn't create the disregard for human life.
People are broken...address that first before more firearm legislation.

Why not both at the same time?

Because millions of responsible gun owners shouldn't be punished due to those who are irresponsible.

I agree... just because one jackass is going to be irresponsible with <choose one from list below> shouldn't mean I can't have any.

a chunk of plutonium
LSD
heroine
bath salts
mustard gas
a bengal tiger as a pet
grenades
an EMP generator
huge bonfires in my backyard
(list could go on and on and on...)

Would you be in favor of mandatory breathalyzer ignition locks on all cars?
How about people who made good financial choices when it came to buying a home bailing out those who didn't?

The bailout/mortgage thing might be a bad example...because people on the left LOVE free shiat and being absolved of responsibility.


at least carrots/green beans will still be legal, right???

then it's a paradise
where's my gun
 
2013-02-19 02:14:43 PM  

Darke: James F. Campbell: Children who set cats on fire should be executed.

/Not kidding.

Reminds me of Ender's brother... what was his name....?  Peter?


Yep, that was Peter Wiggin.  I'm a big fanatic of the Enders Game series and think the story could apply here.
Peter was the first-born of the Wiggin family, and he had a monitor from the government watching him to see if he could grow up to lead the human army to defeat some aliens.  But he was too aggressive and power-hungry, so the monitor was removed and he was kicked out of the program.

Next Ender was born, and all of a sudden Peter was no longer the golden boy.  He didn't get the attention he felt he deserved, it was clear that his parents loved Ender more, and Peter was somewhat warped by it.  He started bullying Ender because he was jealous, he flayed squirrels to try to figure out how they worked, and even while maintaining the appearance of a healthy innocent boy, became a bit of a monster.

Another case of a kid starved for attention, feeling unloved, and bitter about the other happy people, who ends up turning to cruelty, violence, and bullying.
Should child protective services take the kinds in this article away from their parents?  Through either neglect or bad parenting, they might be raising some dangerous little humans...

Either way, I think there should be a law:  If you have a gun and don't secure it and someone else gets it.  YOU are responsible for whatever happens to that gun.  The adult who owned that 1911, all of a sudden they are charged with bringing a gun into a school (even though some kid did it).  That's probably several years in prison?  Someone steals your poorly secured gun and shoots someone, YOU are charged with murder too.  Pass that law, where you are responsible for whatever your gun does, and people will start securing their firearms.
 
2013-02-19 10:20:21 PM  

guyinco6nito: Either way, I think there should be a law: If you have a gun and don't secure it and someone else gets it. YOU are responsible for whatever happens to that gun. The adult who owned that 1911, all of a sudden they are charged with bringing a gun into a school (even though some kid did it). That's probably several years in prison? Someone steals your poorly secured gun and shoots someone, YOU are charged with murder too. Pass that law, where you are responsible for whatever your gun does, and people will start securing their firearms.


Yep, charge them just like we should charge you when you fail to properly secure your car, kitchen knives, hammers/tools, baseball bats and anything else you own that can be used as a weapon.

Yes, people should secure their firearms, but that's no guarantee someone won't be able to get to them and use them.
 
2013-02-20 01:10:47 AM  

Darke: James F. Campbell: Children who set cats on fire should be executed.

/Not kidding.

Reminds me of Ender's brother... what was his name....?  Peter?


That novel is a very creative exercise in finding a superior moral justification for genocide.
 
2013-02-20 11:20:06 AM  

PacManDreaming: guyinco6nito: Either way, I think there should be a law: If you have a gun and don't secure it and someone else gets it. YOU are responsible for whatever happens to that gun. The adult who owned that 1911, all of a sudden they are charged with bringing a gun into a school (even though some kid did it). That's probably several years in prison? Someone steals your poorly secured gun and shoots someone, YOU are charged with murder too. Pass that law, where you are responsible for whatever your gun does, and people will start securing their firearms.

Yep, charge them just like we should charge you when you fail to properly secure your car, kitchen knives, hammers/tools, baseball bats and anything else you own that can be used as a weapon.

Yes, people should secure their firearms, but that's no guarantee someone won't be able to get to them and use them.



That's true PacManDreaming, there is no security system or lock that is 100% safe.  Perhaps the 10 year old in this article is an expert lockpicker or some kind of criminal mastermind :-)

Joking aside, you bring up the example of cars, which something I've been thinking about compared to guns a lot lately.  Here's how I view it:  The government mandates drivers licenses before someone can get behind the wheel.  They do this because with untrained hands, a car can be very dangerous and any government needs to protect it's citizens.  I think most state governments require car owners to purchase liability insurance for their cars.  They do this because with cars something can go wrong and people can get hurt, and the government can force you to buy insurance if you want to exercise your right to drive.  Also the government can require you to go to the DMV every couple of years to renew your license.  They do this because as people get older their eyesight can deteriorate and they might forget the rules of the road.  We don't want blind senile people driving, because someone could get hurt.

If we don't need these kinds of protections for guns, why in the WORLD do we need them for cars???

Sure kitchen knives and hammers can hurt people, but guns are special cases, and if you leave one laying around and something bad happens, I think that should be a crime.  What does a person do if they have a gun they don't want anymore?  Can you just throw it out?  Can you leave a gun in a trash bin in a park?  Could you just throw it out on the sidewalk and put a sign on it that says free?  Why not?

There was a sad story here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2274182/Tmorej-Smith-boy-3-s ho ots-dead-finding-pink-handgun-lying-home.html
Where parents let a 3 year old play around with a pink pistol, until he shot himself in the head and died.  No charges will be filed, but I think the parents committed a crime of negligence and I think there should be a law.  (or we can just accept that bad things happen and get rid of drivers licenses and auto insurance while we're at it)
 
2013-02-20 12:15:05 PM  

guyinco6nito: if you want to exercise your right to drive


You don't have a constitutional right to drive.  It's a privelage.
 
2013-02-20 12:49:20 PM  

Farkage: guyinco6nito: if you want to exercise your right to drive

You don't have a constitutional right to drive.  It's a privelage.


Wow Farkage, I must have been misunderstanding the United States!  I was under the impression that the government only has the right to restrict people based on the powers spelled out in the constitution.  Here I was thinking we are a free country where everything was legal unless explicitly prohibited by a constitutional law.

Now I realize that all the freedoms and rights I enjoy are really just temporary privileges the government allows me to have while I stay in line.
Thanks for the clarification!  ;-)
 
2013-02-20 01:17:20 PM  
Please pardon the sarcasm, I do think this is an important issue.
It seems like there are two perspectives, either:

The government has all the rights and control, and the laws spell out what the citizens can do.
or
The citizens have all the rights and control, and the laws spell out what the government can do.

I always thought what makes America great is that our country is based on the latter principle.  Though lately it seems like we're straying dangerously close to the former.  I realize it seems oxymoronic to argue for our freedoms at the same time as proposing gun restrictions, but we do that kind of thing all the time.  We give up certain rights for the common good and general safety.  I'm not able to set off industrial fireworks in my backyard, I'm not able to own a flamethrower or rocket launcher, I'm not allowed to fire a gun into the air in celebration, and I'm not allowed to drive drunk because it could hurt other people.

If a parent leaves their car keys around and a 7 year old grabs them and goes for a joyride, I think the car owner is liable for either not watching their children, or for leaving something dangerous where a minor could get a hold of them.  It should be the same for guns (which are much more dangerous than cars) where if you don't secure them reasonably (could be just a single line of security.  A locked safe, or a trigger lock, SOMETHING besides leaving a loaded gun in a junk drawer with the safety off) the gun owner shares some liability for what happens.

(then again the supreme court struck down the DC handgun ban, with justices asking the lawyers if a home invader would kindly wait for someone to put on their reading glasses to enter a combination to a trigger lock.  That was definitely hilarious but I'm not sure about the implications.)

We give up our god-given rights so that we can live together safely.  If the 2nd amendment means that ABSOLUTELY NO laws can get in the way of owning weapons, and it spells out that we need the ability to be armed to defend ourselves from either tyranny or invaders, I just want someone to tell me why I can't own a rocket launcher, tank, attack helicopter, or nuclear bomb.  (in a time when muskets were the primary weapon for individuals and armies, the 2nd amendment made sense, but in today's world even assault rifles won't amount to much)
 
2013-02-20 01:29:14 PM  

guyinco6nito: Farkage: guyinco6nito: if you want to exercise your right to drive

You don't have a constitutional right to drive.  It's a privelage.

Wow Farkage, I must have been misunderstanding the United States!  I was under the impression that the government only has the right to restrict people based on the powers spelled out in the constitution.  Here I was thinking we are a free country where everything was legal unless explicitly prohibited by a constitutional law.

Now I realize that all the freedoms and rights I enjoy are really just temporary privileges the government allows me to have while I stay in line.
Thanks for the clarification!  ;-)


Yeah, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and I really can't tell if you're trying to be serious or not...  The Bill of Rights doesn't grant you rights, it limits what the government can do.  From day 1 the courts have found that driving isn't a right.  You have a right to travel (which they can't prohibit in the "show me your papers" sense), but driving has nothing to do with it.
 
2013-02-20 08:55:44 PM  

Where wolf: omeganuepsilon: phalaeo: BigBurrito: FTA: "To me, 10- and 11-year-olds do bad things," he said. "They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people's cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill."

Is this really a thing? Cats on fire? What the hell is wrong with people.

Came in here to point this out.  Setting a cat on fire is just a thing children do?

Some, yes.  Kids to an insurmountable amount of stupid shiat because they don't have a sense of what will happen, and a complete lack of a sense of repercussion, backed by insatiable curiosity.  Same with toys up the nose or a million other retarded things.

Can't even say it's particularly psychotic unless it's an older child.  The indicator for that is how they feel afterward.

No, I'm going to disagree and say setting a cat on fire is a bad thing.  At 10/11, a kid has touched a stove and learned that fire hurts.  Applying that fire to another creature is not something that comes out of curosity. I might believe setting ants on fire with a magnifying glass was "something kids do," but even then, where are you going to find a magnifying glass these days?


Whatever.  Prove it without use of morality granted by religion or cat lovers.

Curiosity did kill the cat after all.

As to the ants.  What would you say if I were to say it were morally no different, setting a cat on fire and setting an ant on fire. I know many people that will kill many an animal with gleeful abandon, sometimes slowly.  Why does a cat get a special sanction?

Because you love them?  We poison, even mammals, by the millions if not billions each year.  Quite an industry. That poison makes them die to death by bleeding from every orifice to include the teeth, or they get caught in a trap and starve to death in some forgotten location.

Why do mice, rats, and whatever other creature not get that special exemption?

What about fish, some of them we spear on a hook and hold them out to get swallowed alive as bait.  Do the same with worms.

Where's your rantings and ravings on how that is all wrong?

Seriously, we eat unfertilized eggs from chickens and other life forms, slay all variety of sentient life to eat, in some places even cats. In many cases we slay for the pure enjoyment of it all.

Besides.  Typically, the kid that tries to set the cat on fire merely singes it in a small spot with a stealth approach and a bic.

If you've got some unbalanced kid with a 5 gallon bucket of gasoline, that's a different story, obviously.  Kid will probably darwin himself.

In that case, the method is indicative of mental issues.
 
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